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Y28 : 3/13/2024 11:51 pm
I typically don’t pay any attention to internet chatter relating to the Giants.

But tonight I have seen 3 different posters (all with prior occasional accuracy) predicting an NFL team will be making a HUGE announcement tomorrow.

This was followed up by another Giants fan contacting me and showing me a 4th poster predicting a similar major move and actually mentioning it involved the Giants.

For those of you that have read my posts over many years know this is NOT the type of things I speculate on.

However, minutes ago, Giant WR Jalyn Hyatt actually just posted:

“soon…..”

I will not provide the handles of the 4 internet posters and provide them any more notoriety or activity

I can’t say that there is “fire” but I must admit all this has me smelling “smoke”- enough that I thought it was worthy of mention on BBI

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RE: i guess Schoen has decided  
blueblood : 3/14/2024 1:14 pm : link
In comment 16431701 LittleBlue said:
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he is all in on Marvin Harrison Jr. to fix Daniel Jones!

(ducking for cover)


bruh....
If the Giants give them a Godfather like "offer they can't refuse"  
GFAN52 : 3/14/2024 1:16 pm : link
and NE still says no, they've at least done their due diligence. I'll be more interested in seeing where that would then lead them in terms of their draft strategy.
RE: It  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/14/2024 1:19 pm : link
In comment 16431716 AcidTest said:
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sounds like Joe has gone into full panic mode because Minnesota and Denver might be trying to leapfrog us. So he has to get to three to leapfrog them after they leapfrog us. And all of this is apparently for JJM.


Did you say that Ernie was panicing in ‘04?

That is my easy reference point. At the time I was good with Big Ben or Sean Taylor (albeit positional value was a concern), but hands down that trade worked. So I’m all for the GM going all in if they have a conviction. Getts conviction with no trade being necessary for DJ has failed. So I am of the opinion that you can’t sit back and hope DJ and good grief definitely ot thinking we can strike lightning in the bottle with Lock.
RE: NE may love  
Sean : 3/14/2024 1:20 pm : link
In comment 16431715 GiantGrit said:
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Jayden Daniels. The Giants may not want Jayden Daniels. Lets say thats the case (i’m making this up, don’t get any ideas lol)

Would it benefit either team to finalize a trade without seeing who Washington takes?

Remember, Schoen and Baalke set the Banks trade up days prior.

NE isn’t going to tip their hand on who they like; maybe they secretly love Nix or Penix and want to trade down after squeezing extra picks out of the Giants or someone else.

For a lot of different reasons I don’t think you would see an imminent trade.

Schoen’s persistence does tell me he wants a top 3 QB and is either ok with multiple guys or he’s very confident in the top 2 picks and who will be there at 3.

It benefits the Giants to get it done to eliminate all doubt from another team trading up.
RE: …  
GiantTuff1 : 3/14/2024 1:21 pm : link
In comment 16431639 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Love this shit. Don’t delete & insiders keep posting.

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RE: The chatter for 3 makes so much sense  
GiantTuff1 : 3/14/2024 1:22 pm : link
In comment 16431661 Sean said:
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Schoen has no choice. Minnesota is lurking and will likely make a huge offer to 4 or 5. If Schoen sits tight, he'll be shut out of the top 4 QBs.

Who is to say Minnesota isn't also trying to get up to 3.
Pats  
Sammo85 : 3/14/2024 1:23 pm : link
are likely entertaining for a few reasons. They know who teams in front are taking. They have a total mess of a roster and are in rebuild mode possibly for another 2-3 years. Teams have varying time and value propositions and philosophies on QB foundation and timing for rebuild.
RE: RE: …  
darren in pdx : 3/14/2024 1:23 pm : link
In comment 16431679 Harvest Blend said:
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.



Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?


Then you try again until you get one. Not trying is just as bad as sticking with what isn't working which is exactly what the Giants have been doing for a decade now. The team itself and the fanbase need to get over this fear of failure and fucking do everything and anything to get it right.
RE: RE: RE: …  
GiantTuff1 : 3/14/2024 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16431680 Darwinian said:
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.



Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?



Then you take another swing in two years.

Exactly. Keep swinging every COUPLE years, not every 5.
RE: RE: The chatter for 3 makes so much sense  
Sammo85 : 3/14/2024 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16431732 GiantTuff1 said:
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Schoen has no choice. Minnesota is lurking and will likely make a huge offer to 4 or 5. If Schoen sits tight, he'll be shut out of the top 4 QBs.


Who is to say Minnesota isn't also trying to get up to 3.


It would cost Minnesota three first round picks to get up.
RE: RE: It  
AcidTest : 3/14/2024 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16431726 Mdgiantsfan said:
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sounds like Joe has gone into full panic mode because Minnesota and Denver might be trying to leapfrog us. So he has to get to three to leapfrog them after they leapfrog us. And all of this is apparently for JJM.



Did you say that Ernie was panicing in ‘04?

That is my easy reference point. At the time I was good with Big Ben or Sean Taylor (albeit positional value was a concern), but hands down that trade worked. So I’m all for the GM going all in if they have a conviction. Getts conviction with no trade being necessary for DJ has failed. So I am of the opinion that you can’t sit back and hope DJ and good grief definitely ot thinking we can strike lightning in the bottle with Lock.


Yes, I was opposed to the trade. I wanted to stay at #4 and take Ben R. or Sean Taylor (RIP). And an argument can be made that would have been the right decision since Ben R. had a career that was as good as Eli's. We would have also had all those draft picks we traded. Of course, I'm not sure Ben R. would have worked in New York with all the hyper scrutiny from the media. But since Eli was instrumental in helping us win two Super Bowls, I agree the trade worked.

That was a very rich draft class that also included Rivers, who had an excellent career as well. I don't think Williams, Maye, Daniels, or JJM are anywhere near Eli, Ben R., or Rivers as prospects.
It’s all a smoke screen  
M.S. : 3/14/2024 1:25 pm : link
Joe Schoen is extending contract for Daniel Jones and giving him a raise.
RE: RE: …  
santacruzom : 3/14/2024 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16431729 GiantTuff1 said:
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Love this shit. Don’t delete & insiders keep posting.


All of BBI


Hey, it's Whole Cogan!

RE: It  
GiantTuff1 : 3/14/2024 1:29 pm : link
In comment 16431716 AcidTest said:
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sounds like Joe has gone into full panic mode because Minnesota and Denver might be trying to leapfrog us. So he has to get to three to leapfrog them after they leapfrog us. And all of this is apparently for JJM.

One man's panic is another man's thoughtful aggression.
RE: RE: RE: …  
AcidTest : 3/14/2024 1:29 pm : link
In comment 16431741 santacruzom said:
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Love this shit. Don’t delete & insiders keep posting.


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Hey, it's Whole Cogan!



That's hilarious.
RE: RE: RE: …  
Scooter185 : 3/14/2024 1:29 pm : link
In comment 16431741 santacruzom said:
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Love this shit. Don’t delete & insiders keep posting.


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Hey, it's Whole Cogan!



This is almost as good as Mar Camel
I'm really hoping Schoen  
Rave7 : 3/14/2024 1:33 pm : link
can convince Wolf to take the deal, but I know it's a long shot. A guy can dream, right? Haha.
It feels like nobody really knows what the Giants' QB board looks like. I'm hoping Schoen and Daboll have their eyes on at least 3 QBs they like and are ready to draft one instead of waiting around. We can all debate the right QB pick for 2024, but ultimately, they're the ones with their jobs on the line. They know that if they mess up the QB evaluation, they could be out of a job. It's rare for a GM and HC to get a second chance in the NFL.
Sean  
GiantGrit : 3/14/2024 1:42 pm : link
I agree. Overall, it makes a lot of sense for the Giants to finalize a trade rn but not a ton of sense for NE to do so.
Here is something Giants related  
Y28 : 3/14/2024 1:52 pm : link
Karl Brooks
@kbrooksseattle


Former #Bucs LB Devin White and #Giants LB Isaiah Simmons are set to visit the Seahawks this Friday in a joint meeting

Both of those LBs are former 1st round picks
RE: Sean  
LittleBlue : 3/14/2024 1:55 pm : link
In comment 16431757 GiantGrit said:
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I agree. Overall, it makes a lot of sense for the Giants to finalize a trade rn but not a ton of sense for NE to do so.


Let's say Daniels is their guy. What if Washington changes its mind in the next 5 weeks? Same story if Maye is their guy. I think it would be kinda weird for a team to make a dramatic move because they want Daniels or Maye.

I know theoretically that would be fine if you had a tight grade, but my instinct is that normally you make an aggressive trade like this to "GET WHO I WANT" not "GET WHOEVER WASHINGTON PASSES ON OF MY TWO FAVORITES"
RE: Here is something Giants related  
Dnew15 : 3/14/2024 1:56 pm : link
In comment 16431765 Y28 said:
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Karl Brooks
@kbrooksseattle


Former #Bucs LB Devin White and #Giants LB Isaiah Simmons are set to visit the Seahawks this Friday in a joint meeting

Both of those LBs are former 1st round picks


This sounds awesome...

Whoever can tackle who gets the job... or perhaps a solid arm wrestling match for a contract?
RE: RE: RE: …  
GiantTuff1 : 3/14/2024 2:05 pm : link
In comment 16431741 santacruzom said:
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In comment 16431639 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Love this shit. Don’t delete & insiders keep posting.


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Hey, it's Whole Cogan!


HA. That's pretty much how I pronounce his name to my toddler.
LittleBlue  
GiantGrit : 3/14/2024 2:06 pm : link
I agree.
Big news  
kickoff : 3/14/2024 2:07 pm : link
Wake me when this hysteria is over.
Runyon  
Y28 : 3/14/2024 2:17 pm : link
now official
Link - ( New Window )
Jermaine Eluemunor  
Y28 : 3/14/2024 2:20 pm : link
now official
Link - ( New Window )
Jalen Mills  
Y28 : 3/14/2024 2:21 pm : link
now official

(what's with the St. Patrick's Day hair color?)
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Y28  
bigblue5611 : 3/14/2024 2:25 pm : link
I hope these weren't the big announcements haha.
No News Is Good News  
Trainmaster : 3/14/2024 2:38 pm : link
Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.

I hope all this chatter is BS.

RE: No News Is Good News  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/14/2024 2:43 pm : link
In comment 16431804 Trainmaster said:
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.

I hope all this chatter is BS.


If it lands us a franchise QB, so be it. And good.
RE: No News Is Good News  
BigBlue7 : 3/14/2024 2:46 pm : link
In comment 16431804 Trainmaster said:
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.

I hope all this chatter is BS.


Sure sucked giving up that 2005 1st round pick to get Eli...
^agreed  
bigblue5611 : 3/14/2024 2:46 pm : link
And as someone, or multiple people mentioned, no one gives a f about the picks given up for Eli. If the Giants give up next years one for Maye or JJ and they bring home a Lombardi, or several, no one will care which picks were given up down the road.
RE: No News Is Good News  
Giantsforever : 3/14/2024 2:48 pm : link
In comment 16431804 Trainmaster said:
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.

I hope all this chatter is BS.

I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.

It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.

However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.

RE: ^agreed  
Amtoft : 3/14/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16431815 bigblue5611 said:
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And as someone, or multiple people mentioned, no one gives a f about the picks given up for Eli. If the Giants give up next years one for Maye or JJ and they bring home a Lombardi, or several, no one will care which picks were given up down the road.


I mean... it would have been nice to have Shawne Merriman, but I guess two super bowls was worth it.
RE: RE: No News Is Good News  
blueblood : 3/14/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16431817 Giantsforever said:
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.

I hope all this chatter is BS.



I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.

It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.

However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.


because next years one is no guarantee of anything. In business when you make mistakes you have to pivot quickly to a solutions... a sunk cost is a sunk cost..
RE: RE: No News Is Good News  
BleedBlue46 : 3/14/2024 2:50 pm : link
In comment 16431817 Giantsforever said:
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.

I hope all this chatter is BS.



I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.

It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.

However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.


Not if Mara's opining influenced that decision. Then he realized it after this year and is letting Schoen and Co do what they want without influence of the owner.
RE: RE: No News Is Good News  
bigblue5611 : 3/14/2024 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16431817 Giantsforever said:
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.

I hope all this chatter is BS.



I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.

It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.

However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.


Did you watch last year at all? Between poor play and injuries, there's no excuse not to, and this is coming from someone who WAS a Jones fan and wanted it to work here. Realize the mistake, rip the band-aid off and get the right QB in here.
RE: RE: No News Is Good News  
logman : 3/14/2024 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16431817 Giantsforever said:
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I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.


Two major injuries tend to change perceptions quickly.
Worried It Will Land Us The Next  
Trainmaster : 3/14/2024 2:51 pm : link
Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Mitch Trubisky, RG III

Some trade up home runs (Mahomes, Josh Allen), but a lot of busts, especially trading into the top 5.


ESPN: All 29 times that NFL teams traded up to draft a quarterback (Through 2021) - ( New Window )
LPG - don’t get got  
Breeze_94 : 3/14/2024 2:52 pm : link
In reference to the chatter about a big trade. FWIW.
RE: RE: ^agreed  
bigblue5611 : 3/14/2024 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16431819 Amtoft said:
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And as someone, or multiple people mentioned, no one gives a f about the picks given up for Eli. If the Giants give up next years one for Maye or JJ and they bring home a Lombardi, or several, no one will care which picks were given up down the road.



I mean... it would have been nice to have Shawne Merriman, but I guess two super bowls was worth it.


Ha, I suppose watching his little sack dance for a couple seasons would have been worth giving up the two Lombardis ;-)
RE: LPG - don’t get got  
Anakim : 3/14/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16431825 Breeze_94 said:
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In reference to the chatter about a big trade. FWIW.


Is it? Or the Eagles getting caught tampering?
RE: Two major injuries tend to change perceptions quickly  
Trainmaster : 3/14/2024 2:55 pm : link
I agree 100% the Giants need to draft a QB in 2024 with one of the first three picks exactly for the reasons stated.

I’d just much rather stay put or even trade down, given all the other holes in the roster. The Drew Lock signing MIGHT allow the QB selected to be day 3.

RE: RE: LPG - don’t get got  
Tyrion : 3/14/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16431828 Anakim said:
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In reference to the chatter about a big trade. FWIW.



Is it? Or the Eagles getting caught tampering?


He specifically mentioned in regards to the trade
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/14/2024 2:56 pm : link
Yes, QBs bust. This isn’t news. Everyone knows there are no sure things. But we don’t have a QB & if Schoen and Dabs are convinced one of these dudes are a franchise QB, get him. IDGAF what it costs.

I swear some of you are so risk averse that you are afraid of your shadow.
RE: RE: RE: No News Is Good News  
BleedBlue46 : 3/14/2024 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16431820 blueblood said:
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.

I hope all this chatter is BS.



I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.

It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.

However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.




because next years one is no guarantee of anything. In business when you make mistakes you have to pivot quickly to a solutions... a sunk cost is a sunk cost..


If we trade our 2025 1 and go all in on this year with trade ups, trades and signings there's no reason why we couldn't compete for the playoffs with an easy schedule. Look at the Texans last year. They traded their 2024 1 to AZ in the tradeup for Will Anderson Jr. AZ expected a top 12 or better pick but all the moves the Texans made plus an easy schedule led them to the playoffs and left AZ with pick 26 this year.

"The Houston Texans traded away the No. 12 and No. 33 selections in 2023, plus a 2024 first-round pick and 2024 third-round pick for the No. 105 selection and right to take Will Anderson Jr." This was called the worst move of the offseason by many pundits but it paid off for them. That was from 12 to 3 though, I imagine we could trade pick 6, 2025 1st and 2025 3rd for 6 to 3.
RE: RE: Two major injuries tend to change perceptions quickly  
bigblue5611 : 3/14/2024 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16431829 Trainmaster said:
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I agree 100% the Giants need to draft a QB in 2024 with one of the first three picks exactly for the reasons stated.

I’d just much rather stay put or even trade down, given all the other holes in the roster. The Drew Lock signing MIGHT allow the QB selected to be day 3.


Disagree, don't "settle" for the Day 2 or 3 guy and hope you can mold him into helping you be competitive for the division title. Swing for the fences and get the guy you know can run your offense to perfection and compete for the Lombardi. If they don't identify either of these guys as that, then fine, stay put or trade down. But, all indications point to them identifying at least 1-2 of them as being "that guy".
RE: no one gives a f about the picks given up for Eli.  
Trainmaster : 3/14/2024 3:00 pm : link
The Giants didn’t trade up for Eli. The pre-draft trade up cost was too high (Osi plus picks).

Accorsi stood his ground and didn’t give up a King’s Ransom for Eli and waited / gambled and got a better deal. And Eli was much lower risk than the 2024 QBs IMHO.

Schoen needs to follow the Accorsi method and wait.

RE: RE: RE: RE: No News Is Good News  
Lambuth_Special : 3/14/2024 3:09 pm : link
In comment 16431832 BleedBlue46 said:
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If we trade our 2025 1 and go all in on this year with trade ups, trades and signings there's no reason why we couldn't compete for the playoffs with an easy schedule. Look at the Texans last year. They traded their 2024 1 to AZ in the tradeup for Will Anderson Jr. AZ expected a top 12 or better pick but all the moves the Texans made plus an easy schedule led them to the playoffs and left AZ with pick 26 this year.

"The Houston Texans traded away the No. 12 and No. 33 selections in 2023, plus a 2024 first-round pick and 2024 third-round pick for the No. 105 selection and right to take Will Anderson Jr." This was called the worst move of the offseason by many pundits but it paid off for them. That was from 12 to 3 though, I imagine we could trade pick 6, 2025 1st and 2025 3rd for 6 to 3.


The other thing to keep in mind is that the Giants' 2021 draft class was so bad, there's basically going to be no homegrown players up for extension other than maybe Ojulari (even he is a longshot). They'll have a good bit of cash next year to spend in FA to cover gaps.
It's splitting hairs. They moved mountains to go get him.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/14/2024 3:19 pm : link
Swap 1, next year's 1, a 3rd, and a 5th is a lot. And I would have done it in a second and I'd do it this year too.


But what's different now from then is that you don't have a player openly stating he doesn't want to be in the city that has the pick you want.
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