I typically don’t pay any attention to internet chatter relating to the Giants.
But tonight I have seen 3 different posters (all with prior occasional accuracy) predicting an NFL team will be making a HUGE announcement tomorrow.
This was followed up by another Giants fan contacting me and showing me a 4th poster predicting a similar major move and actually mentioning it involved the Giants.
For those of you that have read my posts over many years know this is NOT the type of things I speculate on.
However, minutes ago, Giant WR Jalyn Hyatt actually just posted:
“soon…..”
I will not provide the handles of the 4 internet posters and provide them any more notoriety or activity
I can’t say that there is “fire” but I must admit all this has me smelling “smoke”- enough that I thought it was worthy of mention on BBI
(ducking for cover)
bruh....
Did you say that Ernie was panicing in ‘04?
That is my easy reference point. At the time I was good with Big Ben or Sean Taylor (albeit positional value was a concern), but hands down that trade worked. So I’m all for the GM going all in if they have a conviction. Getts conviction with no trade being necessary for DJ has failed. So I am of the opinion that you can’t sit back and hope DJ and good grief definitely ot thinking we can strike lightning in the bottle with Lock.
Would it benefit either team to finalize a trade without seeing who Washington takes?
Remember, Schoen and Baalke set the Banks trade up days prior.
NE isn’t going to tip their hand on who they like; maybe they secretly love Nix or Penix and want to trade down after squeezing extra picks out of the Giants or someone else.
For a lot of different reasons I don’t think you would see an imminent trade.
Schoen’s persistence does tell me he wants a top 3 QB and is either ok with multiple guys or he’s very confident in the top 2 picks and who will be there at 3.
It benefits the Giants to get it done to eliminate all doubt from another team trading up.
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Who is to say Minnesota isn't also trying to get up to 3.
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.
Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?
Then you try again until you get one. Not trying is just as bad as sticking with what isn't working which is exactly what the Giants have been doing for a decade now. The team itself and the fanbase need to get over this fear of failure and fucking do everything and anything to get it right.
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.
Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?
Then you take another swing in two years.
Exactly. Keep swinging every COUPLE years, not every 5.
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Schoen has no choice. Minnesota is lurking and will likely make a huge offer to 4 or 5. If Schoen sits tight, he'll be shut out of the top 4 QBs.
Who is to say Minnesota isn't also trying to get up to 3.
It would cost Minnesota three first round picks to get up.
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sounds like Joe has gone into full panic mode because Minnesota and Denver might be trying to leapfrog us. So he has to get to three to leapfrog them after they leapfrog us. And all of this is apparently for JJM.
Did you say that Ernie was panicing in ‘04?
That is my easy reference point. At the time I was good with Big Ben or Sean Taylor (albeit positional value was a concern), but hands down that trade worked. So I’m all for the GM going all in if they have a conviction. Getts conviction with no trade being necessary for DJ has failed. So I am of the opinion that you can’t sit back and hope DJ and good grief definitely ot thinking we can strike lightning in the bottle with Lock.
Yes, I was opposed to the trade. I wanted to stay at #4 and take Ben R. or Sean Taylor (RIP). And an argument can be made that would have been the right decision since Ben R. had a career that was as good as Eli's. We would have also had all those draft picks we traded. Of course, I'm not sure Ben R. would have worked in New York with all the hyper scrutiny from the media. But since Eli was instrumental in helping us win two Super Bowls, I agree the trade worked.
That was a very rich draft class that also included Rivers, who had an excellent career as well. I don't think Williams, Maye, Daniels, or JJM are anywhere near Eli, Ben R., or Rivers as prospects.
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Hey, it's Whole Cogan!
One man's panic is another man's thoughtful aggression.
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Love this shit. Don’t delete & insiders keep posting.
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That's hilarious.
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This is almost as good as Mar Camel
It feels like nobody really knows what the Giants' QB board looks like. I'm hoping Schoen and Daboll have their eyes on at least 3 QBs they like and are ready to draft one instead of waiting around. We can all debate the right QB pick for 2024, but ultimately, they're the ones with their jobs on the line. They know that if they mess up the QB evaluation, they could be out of a job. It's rare for a GM and HC to get a second chance in the NFL.
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Former #Bucs LB Devin White and #Giants LB Isaiah Simmons are set to visit the Seahawks this Friday in a joint meeting
Both of those LBs are former 1st round picks
Let's say Daniels is their guy. What if Washington changes its mind in the next 5 weeks? Same story if Maye is their guy. I think it would be kinda weird for a team to make a dramatic move because they want Daniels or Maye.
I know theoretically that would be fine if you had a tight grade, but my instinct is that normally you make an aggressive trade like this to "GET WHO I WANT" not "GET WHOEVER WASHINGTON PASSES ON OF MY TWO FAVORITES"
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Former #Bucs LB Devin White and #Giants LB Isaiah Simmons are set to visit the Seahawks this Friday in a joint meeting
Both of those LBs are former 1st round picks
This sounds awesome...
Whoever can tackle who gets the job... or perhaps a solid arm wrestling match for a contract?
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HA. That's pretty much how I pronounce his name to my toddler.
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I hope all this chatter is BS.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
If it lands us a franchise QB, so be it. And good.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
Sure sucked giving up that 2005 1st round pick to get Eli...
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
I mean... it would have been nice to have Shawne Merriman, but I guess two super bowls was worth it.
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
because next years one is no guarantee of anything. In business when you make mistakes you have to pivot quickly to a solutions... a sunk cost is a sunk cost..
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
Not if Mara's opining influenced that decision. Then he realized it after this year and is letting Schoen and Co do what they want without influence of the owner.
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
Did you watch last year at all? Between poor play and injuries, there's no excuse not to, and this is coming from someone who WAS a Jones fan and wanted it to work here. Realize the mistake, rip the band-aid off and get the right QB in here.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
Two major injuries tend to change perceptions quickly.
Some trade up home runs (Mahomes, Josh Allen), but a lot of busts, especially trading into the top 5.
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And as someone, or multiple people mentioned, no one gives a f about the picks given up for Eli. If the Giants give up next years one for Maye or JJ and they bring home a Lombardi, or several, no one will care which picks were given up down the road.
I mean... it would have been nice to have Shawne Merriman, but I guess two super bowls was worth it.
Ha, I suppose watching his little sack dance for a couple seasons would have been worth giving up the two Lombardis ;-)
Is it? Or the Eagles getting caught tampering?
I’d just much rather stay put or even trade down, given all the other holes in the roster. The Drew Lock signing MIGHT allow the QB selected to be day 3.
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In reference to the chatter about a big trade. FWIW.
Is it? Or the Eagles getting caught tampering?
He specifically mentioned in regards to the trade
I swear some of you are so risk averse that you are afraid of your shadow.
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
because next years one is no guarantee of anything. In business when you make mistakes you have to pivot quickly to a solutions... a sunk cost is a sunk cost..
If we trade our 2025 1 and go all in on this year with trade ups, trades and signings there's no reason why we couldn't compete for the playoffs with an easy schedule. Look at the Texans last year. They traded their 2024 1 to AZ in the tradeup for Will Anderson Jr. AZ expected a top 12 or better pick but all the moves the Texans made plus an easy schedule led them to the playoffs and left AZ with pick 26 this year.
"The Houston Texans traded away the No. 12 and No. 33 selections in 2023, plus a 2024 first-round pick and 2024 third-round pick for the No. 105 selection and right to take Will Anderson Jr." This was called the worst move of the offseason by many pundits but it paid off for them. That was from 12 to 3 though, I imagine we could trade pick 6, 2025 1st and 2025 3rd for 6 to 3.
I’d just much rather stay put or even trade down, given all the other holes in the roster. The Drew Lock signing MIGHT allow the QB selected to be day 3.
Disagree, don't "settle" for the Day 2 or 3 guy and hope you can mold him into helping you be competitive for the division title. Swing for the fences and get the guy you know can run your offense to perfection and compete for the Lombardi. If they don't identify either of these guys as that, then fine, stay put or trade down. But, all indications point to them identifying at least 1-2 of them as being "that guy".
Accorsi stood his ground and didn’t give up a King’s Ransom for Eli and waited / gambled and got a better deal. And Eli was much lower risk than the 2024 QBs IMHO.
Schoen needs to follow the Accorsi method and wait.
If we trade our 2025 1 and go all in on this year with trade ups, trades and signings there's no reason why we couldn't compete for the playoffs with an easy schedule. Look at the Texans last year. They traded their 2024 1 to AZ in the tradeup for Will Anderson Jr. AZ expected a top 12 or better pick but all the moves the Texans made plus an easy schedule led them to the playoffs and left AZ with pick 26 this year.
"The Houston Texans traded away the No. 12 and No. 33 selections in 2023, plus a 2024 first-round pick and 2024 third-round pick for the No. 105 selection and right to take Will Anderson Jr." This was called the worst move of the offseason by many pundits but it paid off for them. That was from 12 to 3 though, I imagine we could trade pick 6, 2025 1st and 2025 3rd for 6 to 3.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the Giants' 2021 draft class was so bad, there's basically going to be no homegrown players up for extension other than maybe Ojulari (even he is a longshot). They'll have a good bit of cash next year to spend in FA to cover gaps.
But what's different now from then is that you don't have a player openly stating he doesn't want to be in the city that has the pick you want.