John Schneider "NYG sold Lock on opportunity to be starter"

We can end this charade of Jones being the penciled in starter. If I had to guess today on 03/14 which is subject to change what the week 1 QB depth chart is:

Lock
Maye
UDFA
Jones (PUP)

halle-freaking-lujia

Besides the fact that I never want to see Jones behind center as a Giants QB, it makes no sense to me why he'd play considering the injury guarantee $.

They aren’t gonna risk that injury deal to kick in.

In comment 16432266 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Besides the fact that I never want to see Jones behind center as a Giants QB, it makes no sense to me why he'd play considering the injury guarantee $.

Exactly. Nor should he. It would be gross negligence to let Jones on a field with a NY Giants helmet. He needs to be cut after passing a physical and go somewhere else.

In comment 16432266 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Besides the fact that I never want to see Jones behind center as a Giants QB, it makes no sense to me why he'd play considering the injury guarantee $.

Honestly if we're stuck with him because of the cap, it would make sense to basically freeze him for a year like the Texans did with Watson.

But I doubt the Maras would allow the Giants to operate that way. If Jones can play, he'll start.

... that being said, that's *if*.

In comment 16432264 Sean said:

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We can end this charade of Jones being the penciled in starter. If I had to guess today on 03/14 which is subject to change what the week 1 QB depth chart is: Lock Maye UDFA Jones (PUP)

Sean I agree with your premise. However, I think Schoen’s job of threading the needle on this seems to be getting harder with the reports of Denver and Minny itching to come up for JJ.

If the top 3 turn out to be impenetrable and Minnesota or Denver do something crazy to outbid us for the 4 or 5 slots, we could be left standing when the music stops.

Today’s rumors have made me realize how if I’m Schoen it’s Poles I’m talking to right now. It will cost more to go to 1 but not exponentially more and then you get the pick of them all.

I get that. But, Schoen still can offer the 2025 first if they need to. It's a very tough line to walk for Schoen, but he can make a strong offer and should be able to match MIN/DEN based on the minimal drop down those teams would be making.

the Giants cut Jones this year, or hold onto him and cut him after the season?

its not gonna happen.

Starting QB for the NY Giants.

They might as well take walk-ons this summer if they don’t draft a QB.

And the $69 million would be spread over 2 years. 47 this year and 22 next year. The issue is that he has to pass a physical to be released. So it won’t happen until July/August.

the 2025 first, considering he’s also giving up a top 10 pick, that will be tough to beat.

In comment 16432297 Dave on the UWS said:

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the 2025 first, considering he’s also giving up a top 10 pick, that will be tough to beat.

We have absolutely no idea if it'd be a top 10 pick. The Cardinals thought they were getting that this year from the Texans. They got the 26th pick.

like to know how the Giants can absorb the $47M cap hit they'd incur by cutting Jones, but if they can, then I agree it's best for both sides if they do so as soon as he can pass a physical. Schoen did say that Jones would be the starter as soon as he was healthy, but that's pretty much what you'd expect him to say in response to that question. Schoen made a bad mistake signing Jones to that ridiculous contract. Let's hope that whatever he does in the draft gets us a franchise QB.

could be the bridge starter to avoid having to play Jones if they don’t get to draft the QB they want and/or Jones isn’t healthy enough to start the season.

In comment 16432311 AcidTest said:

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like to know how the Giants can absorb the $47M cap hit they'd incur by cutting Jones, but if they can, then I agree it's best for both sides if they do so as soon as he can pass a physical. Schoen did say that Jones would be the starter as soon as he was healthy, but that's pretty much what you'd expect him to say in response to that question. Schoen made a bad mistake signing Jones to that ridiculous contract. Let's hope that whatever he does in the draft gets us a franchise QB.

They already are absorbing the $47M anyway. He's on the team for that cap number this year.

In comment 16432311 AcidTest said:

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like to know how the Giants can absorb the $47M cap hit they'd incur by cutting Jones, but if they can, then I agree it's best for both sides if they do so as soon as he can pass a physical. Schoen did say that Jones would be the starter as soon as he was healthy, but that's pretty much what you'd expect him to say in response to that question. Schoen made a bad mistake signing Jones to that ridiculous contract. Let's hope that whatever he does in the draft gets us a franchise QB.

His cap hit is already 47 million this year. No matter what (Barring us redoing his deal) if he's cut pre June 1st his cap hit for this year would be 69 million. If he's a post June 1st cut the 69 million in dead money would be spread over two years. So instead of 69 million at one time he would have 47 million in dead money in 2024 and 22 million in 2025. We would save 19.35 million in 2025 cap space.

Once Jones is able to pass a physical, I would cut him. Tear off the Band-Aid. Start clean. I wish him well going forward, but I'm so ready to move on from the Jones-Barkley era.

I think those on this thread will be disappointed if you believe what Drew Lock told the Seahawks GM as well as what the GM said publicly. Things change in translation from Giants GM to Drew to Seattle GM to the press.

Could he start the season if DJ is not ready health wise, sure. And if he plays like Mahomes those first few games then yeah anything is possible.

Just looking @ the above posts, Good Lord...Jones' agents took Schoen to school.

I get the 2 year out, but still. Jones' contract is such an albatross.

Yes I am sure they told him that he COULD possibly start if Jones is ready and the rookie isn't quite ready yet but they aren't going to spill their draft plans to a free agent.

In comment 16432334 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Just looking @ the above posts, Good Lord...Jones' agents took Schoen to school. I get the 2 year out, but still. Jones' contract is such an albatross.

I think this is why Tua hasn't received an extension yet. Miami is probably looking at the Jones deal not wanting to make the same mistake.

In comment 16432319 Sean said:

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In comment 16432311 AcidTest said: Quote: like to know how the Giants can absorb the $47M cap hit they'd incur by cutting Jones, but if they can, then I agree it's best for both sides if they do so as soon as he can pass a physical. Schoen did say that Jones would be the starter as soon as he was healthy, but that's pretty much what you'd expect him to say in response to that question. Schoen made a bad mistake signing Jones to that ridiculous contract. Let's hope that whatever he does in the draft gets us a franchise QB. They already are absorbing the $47M anyway. He's on the team for that cap number this year.

You're right. That's true. It's already a sunk cost and accounted for on the cap.

In comment 16432343 AcidTest said:

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In comment 16432319 Sean said: Quote: In comment 16432311 AcidTest said: Quote: like to know how the Giants can absorb the $47M cap hit they'd incur by cutting Jones, but if they can, then I agree it's best for both sides if they do so as soon as he can pass a physical. Schoen did say that Jones would be the starter as soon as he was healthy, but that's pretty much what you'd expect him to say in response to that question. Schoen made a bad mistake signing Jones to that ridiculous contract. Let's hope that whatever he does in the draft gets us a franchise QB. They already are absorbing the $47M anyway. He's on the team for that cap number this year. You're right. That's true. It's already a sunk cost and accounted for on the cap.

This is why I think it could happen. Originally I thought no way. And actually it would give Jones a chance to sign somewhere else for the season and start..

as the Baker Mayfield situation last year.

Mayfield didn't have to compete with a QB drafted at #6 (or #3 on a move-up). He had to compete with Kyle Trask.

As for Giants letting Jones go, if that happens, I think they will try very hard to get someone to take a portion of his cap hit.

that they are drafting a QB. On the contrary,itt insinuates that Jones is probably just not going to be ready for the start of the season, and Lock will have an opportunity to start in his place. If he takes the bull by the horns, he could wind up keeing it. Doubtful that happens, but also not impossible.

Should be interesting.

going to be a first round pick. Kid has a gun for an arm. JS and Daboll had their choice of QB’s to grab. They must like something about Lock.

At least Sam Howell slung the rock to over 4000 yards last year. Lock has proven nothing. On 2 different teams.

against Philly on Monday night Football last year, threw the game wining TD with a minute left…….yea I’d give him a shot

Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Seahawks GM John Schneider says QB Drew Lock left because the Giants sold it as an opportunity to compete to be their starter.

Schneider: "They basically sold him on the opportunity to compete to be the starter. And he felt like it was the right opportunity. He looked at Baker Mayfield’s opportunity last year and felt that this could be something similar."

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@WymanAndBob

Pat Leonard
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This is 100% accurate from Schneider, FYI. Had conversations about this exact topic with multiple league sources today #Giants

Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Seahawks GM John Schneider said on Seattle radio show
@WymanAndBob
that he wanted to keep Drew Lock, but the Giants “basically sold him on the opportunity to compete to be the starter.” Schneider said that Lock views this situation with the Giants as possibly being similar to Baker Mayfield in Tampa last year.

Art Stapleton
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Curious that Schneider would say this. Most GMs usually don't opine on other teams' business to justify why he lost a player, at least not publicly.
Whether it's true or not doesn't matter. Can't imagine Giants are too pleased with him talking on their business on a radio show.

Tom Rock
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Bet the Giants wish they had squeezed Drew Lock into today’s zoom schedule rather than waiting until next week now.

In comment 16432462 Eric from BBI said:

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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton · 50m Curious that Schneider would say this. Most GMs usually don't opine on other teams' business to justify why he lost a player, at least not publicly. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter. Can't imagine Giants are too pleased with him talking on their business on a radio show.

Payback for blocking Kafka?

at the 2019 combine. He had a close companion in that regard: Daniel Jones.

Will Grier West Virginia 58 (Left) 59 (Right)
Brett Rypien Boise State 59 (Left) 56 (Right)
Clayton Thorson Northwestern 58 (Left) 56 (Right)
Nick Fitzgerald Mississippi State 57 (Left) 52 (Right)
Jordan Ta'amu Mississippi 56 (Left) 55 (Right)
Gardner Minshew Washington State 55 (Left) 53 (Right)
Ryan Finley North Carolina State 55 (Left) 52 (Right)
Tyree Jackson Buffalo 54 (Left) 54 (Right)
Daniel Jones Duke 53 (Left) 54 (Right)
Drew Lock Missouri 54 (Left) 53 (Right)
Easton Stick North Dakota State 53 (Left) 54 (Right)
Jake Browning Washington 54 (Left) 52 (Right)
Trace McSorley Penn State 53 (Left) 52 (Right)
Jarrett Stidham Auburn 53 (Left) 52 (Right)
Dwayne Haskins Ohio State 52 (Left) 52 (Right)
Kyle Shurmer Vanderbilt 52 (Left) 50 (Right)

And note Dwayne Haskins below Jones and Lock. Another guy who was supposed to have a strong arm, couldn't prove it ont the gun, and busted in the NFL.

QB arm strength can be very deceptive to the eye.

link - ( New Window )

In comment 16432466 Blue Dream said:

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In comment 16432462 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Art Stapleton @art_stapleton · 50m Curious that Schneider would say this. Most GMs usually don't opine on other teams' business to justify why he lost a player, at least not publicly. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter. Can't imagine Giants are too pleased with him talking on their business on a radio show. Payback for blocking Kafka?

And the Leonard Williams fleecing. Thanks for the extra second so we could snag Burns, John!

Again, not saying this is inaccurate.

But all of these leaks about the Giants’ thoughts around QB seem to be intentional to me, whether it’s because they still like Jones or they actually are telling the truth.

It would be quite a story if Schneider was doing a solid for the team with this. That would be crazy.

In comment 16432483 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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It would be quite a story if Schneider was doing a solid for the team with this. That would be crazy.

You’re right, this one is not really a leak. But it’s definitely getting out there now that the Giants told Lock he could compete to be a starter. Which is what they’d probably say to him if they wanted him to be a backup.

In comment 16432480 ryanmkeane said:

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Again, not saying this is inaccurate. But all of these leaks about the Giants’ thoughts around QB seem to be intentional to me, whether it’s because they still like Jones or they actually are telling the truth.

What does lying about wanting a QB do for them? The top receivers (outside of MHJ) will be there for them at six regardless. So if everyone believes they want a qb and they don’t, what does that do for us? Increase the value of trading down?

I understand lying about not wanting a qb, because if you actually do maybe someone falls. But what’s the benefit of the opposite?

I doubt the Giants told Lock this, with the design that he'd tell his former GM, who would then talk about it on the radio.

In comment 16432480 ryanmkeane said:

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Again, not saying this is inaccurate. But all of these leaks about the Giants’ thoughts around QB seem to be intentional to me, whether it’s because they still like Jones or they actually are telling the truth.

Its the latter

Make some kind of settlement deal to satisfy both parties? I’m sure Jones doesn’t want to be on the PS all year and I’m sure he still believes he can start in this league….so why not work out a settlement that allows him to walk and go find a team who wants to give him the chance…..in return, he can reduce what is owed him on his contract.

Don’t teams do this?

In comment 16432488 ryanmkeane said:

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In comment 16432483 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: It would be quite a story if Schneider was doing a solid for the team with this. That would be crazy. You’re right, this one is not really a leak. But it’s definitely getting out there now that the Giants told Lock he could compete to be a starter. Which is what they’d probably say to him if they wanted him to be a backup.

I dont know, when they gave all that money to Tyrod, they were also very clear to say they were bringing him in as a backup.

In comment 16432496 5BowlsSoon said:

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Make some kind of settlement deal to satisfy both parties? I’m sure Jones doesn’t want to be on the PS all year and I’m sure he still believes he can start in this league….so why not work out a settlement that allows him to walk and go find a team who wants to give him the chance…..in return, he can reduce what is owed him on his contract. Don’t teams do this?

He’s making generational wealth, why would he negotiate to take anything less? If he truly believes he’s worth it then he’ll prove it to some other team when his current absurd contract expires

In comment 16432496 5BowlsSoon said:

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Make some kind of settlement deal to satisfy both parties? I’m sure Jones doesn’t want to be on the PS all year and I’m sure he still believes he can start in this league….so why not work out a settlement that allows him to walk and go find a team who wants to give him the chance…..in return, he can reduce what is owed him on his contract. Don’t teams do this?

His agent is going to demand Jones receive every dollar in the contract.

In the scenario where they like Jones and intend to keep him, what's the point of the charade?

The Giants probably aren't going to stash Jones when the season starts. They'll simply cut him when he can pass a physical, because that's the gracious thing to do.

If Schoen was ruthless, he would leave the possibility of stashing him on the table. And Team Jones would know one way to increase the odds of Jones getting traded, is for him to restructure his contract and remove the 2025 injury guarantee.

That is the real barrier to him getting traded.