Hughes reports that the "buzz is there" that J.J. McCarthy is the player the Giants want in the draft.
League sources spoke highly of McCarthy when polled by SNY. One high-ranking executive said he’ll be a 'better pro than college player.' Another general manager said he has everything teams look for — size, athleticism, arm strength, accuracy, played in a pro-style offense. He added 'he’s also very coachable.'"
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For someone he railed against other people for speaking in absolutes about Daniel Jones wasn’t good, this is both funny and incredibly ironic.
You don’t think that, but clearly the NFL and the Giants do.
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Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL
"If I had to guess today"
1. Bears - Caleb Williams
2. Commanders - Jayden Daniels
3. Vikings (via trade w/ NE) - Drake Maye
4. Cardinals - MHJ
5. Chargers - (want to trade back/OL?)
6. Giants - JJ McCarthy
SD has no WRs. You would have to think they take Oduzene or Nabers.
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but I can't shake the memory of falling in full bloom love with a guy they were projecting to be a better pro than college player. I hope this is just PTSD.
Yes. This is all very familiar. No one was even talking about Jones at 6 in 2019 until not long before the draft.
Except multiple teams weren’t trying to move up for Jones. The Jones at 6 smoke was because of one fat idiot who couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
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Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL
"If I had to guess today"
1. Bears - Caleb Williams
2. Commanders - Jayden Daniels
3. Vikings (via trade w/ NE) - Drake Maye
4. Cardinals - MHJ
5. Chargers - (want to trade back/OL?)
6. Giants - JJ McCarthy
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Because JJ McCarthy is not a top 10 NFL prospect, that's why.
For someone he railed against other people for speaking in absolutes about Daniel Jones wasn’t good, this is both funny and incredibly ironic.
You don’t think that, but clearly the NFL and the Giants do.
Here's the difference between you and me:
I state what my opinion is. I don't pretend to know what the Giants think or what they will do. I say what I think they'll do.
You say things like "clearly the NFL and Giants think McCarthy is a top 10 prospect" and you have next to zero information to back this up. You have zero sources within the Giants orginization. You have no inside or asshat scoop.
One of the stories is BS.
I think Fields could be the backup option if they strike out on QB in the draft.
AZ probably wants MHJ, and really do not see Harbaugh paying elite dollars for a WR. LAC is picking OT, Edge, or trading down.
Chargers just get rid of Allen and Williams. The need is there and also the money.
It's pretty clear that the Giants will have to trade up for either. The question is whether they can. NE may point blank refuse all trade offers or ask for a "historic haul" that would make even Schoen say no.
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In comment 16433254 ryanmkeane said:
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Because JJ McCarthy is not a top 10 NFL prospect, that's why.
For someone he railed against other people for speaking in absolutes about Daniel Jones wasn’t good, this is both funny and incredibly ironic.
You don’t think that, but clearly the NFL and the Giants do.
Here's the difference between you and me:
I state what my opinion is. I don't pretend to know what the Giants think or what they will do. I say what I think they'll do.
You say things like "clearly the NFL and Giants think McCarthy is a top 10 prospect" and you have next to zero information to back this up. You have zero sources within the Giants orginization. You have no inside or asshat scoop.
Except GMs and scouts actually have come out and said he will be taken top 10 or even top 6. So people clearly in the NFL think he is a top 10.
You claim he isn’t based on absolutely nothing.
The Giants have more draft capital than the Vikings
NYG can offer more. They have the 6th pick. That beats Minny right off the bat.
I'm happy taking any of the "big four" QBs at #6, but don't want to trade up for any of them. Each has too many warts IMO to justify doing so. The frantic pre-draft chase by teams for QBs is an annual event, but it too often produces poor results for the teams that participate.
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but I can't shake the memory of falling in full bloom love with a guy they were projecting to be a better pro than college player. I hope this is just PTSD.
Yes. This is all very familiar. No one was even talking about Jones at 6 in 2019 until not long before the draft.
McCarthy didn't declare until mid January. Teams interview and study more once he's in the process.
And the 2019 draft didn't have Kyler Murray at #1 until March/April.
Hell. Look at this early mock. It had Dwayne Haskins going first to the Giants at 6, Jones to the Dolphins at 13 and Murray all the way at 32 to the Patriots. February and March changes so much and we find out more when NFL teams view these talents than what the fans and media do. Interviews need to be taken more seriously by fans.
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-mock-draft-1-0-kyler-murray-lands-with-patriots-0ap3000001011490 - ( New Window )
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In comment 16433254 ryanmkeane said:
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Because JJ McCarthy is not a top 10 NFL prospect, that's why.
For someone he railed against other people for speaking in absolutes about Daniel Jones wasn’t good, this is both funny and incredibly ironic.
You don’t think that, but clearly the NFL and the Giants do.
Here's the difference between you and me:
I state what my opinion is. I don't pretend to know what the Giants think or what they will do. I say what I think they'll do.
You say things like "clearly the NFL and Giants think McCarthy is a top 10 prospect" and you have next to zero information to back this up. You have zero sources within the Giants orginization. You have no inside or asshat scoop.
You didn’t say “I don’t think JJM is a top 10 prospect”, you outright said he wasn’t. That’s fine, we don’t always have to qualify our opinions, but it’s funny to see you try to hold other posters to that standard on the same thread where you don’t.
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And they shouldn’t break the draft bank to try to do it.
NYG can offer more. They have the 6th pick. That beats Minny right off the bat.
They have two No. 1s and Jefferson.
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And they shouldn’t break the draft bank to try to do it.
NYG can offer more. They have the 6th pick. That beats Minny right off the bat.
They have two No. 1s and Jefferson.
why would you draft a cost controlled QB, give up picks and give up the best wr in the game. If they do that, they beat us--but why would anyone do that!
You didn’t say “I don’t think JJM is a top 10 prospect”, you outright said he wasn’t. That’s fine, we don’t always have to qualify our opinions, but it’s funny to see you try to hold other posters to that standard on the same thread where you don’t.
Ryan being a hypocrite? Shocking
Right. Nobody has said they like McCarthy more than anyone else. Them “wanting” McCarthy could just be that they don’t think they’ll have a shot at the other three and are comfortable taking McCarthy at 4-6.
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And they shouldn’t break the draft bank to try to do it.
NYG can offer more. They have the 6th pick. That beats Minny right off the bat.
I’m not sure why people on BBI are so concerned about Minnesota given Giants have the #6 pick. LA can trade with NY and be assured to get the player they want, or trade down again for even more picks.
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In comment 16433175 jeff57 said:
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And they shouldn’t break the draft bank to try to do it.
NYG can offer more. They have the 6th pick. That beats Minny right off the bat.
They have two No. 1s and Jefferson.
why would you draft a cost controlled QB, give up picks and give up the best wr in the game. If they do that, they beat us--but why would anyone do that!
Money
I just don't get it. If that guy is lottery pick, then Nix should be. And I find that idea, a big stretch...
It’s astonishing to me he enjoys the daily beat down. Must be a fetish
Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed.
NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )
Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )
This is what scares me about the idea of trading up for McCarthy. Jones was a mistake, but we didn’t have to trade away picks to draft Jones.
Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )
I had been pretty against McCarthy all season.
My interest in him now is that he has a much better arm than I thought and, if you believe reports, has "elite" processing by NFL standards. Josh Allen thoroughly sucked in college ball against some really bad Mountain West teams so we know its possible to coach a physical specimen who can read beyond one receiver. And our HC is the guy who did it.
Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )
IMV, you have to have a very good imagination to see McCarthy being great in the NFL. I clearly don't have that ability/skill.
I hope Schoen, his team, and Dabka do - if this is real.
Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )
harbough called 18 passing plays. just 7 in the second half. they won by 20 and ran for 300 yards.
Ummm, no.
That's not my point. My point is none of us really liked McCarthy, you included.
"I’ve said this before
JT039 : 1/8/2024 11:03 pm : link
There’s only 3 QBs worth taken in round 1.
Williams
Maye
Daniels"
Our collective objective opinion in January was that McCarthy wasn't a first rounder. He's played zero games since and now we're talking about trading up from 6 for him.
I'll repeat I'm not saying the Giants would be stupid to do it; I'll give Schoen the benefit of the doubt in getting his own QB.
I'm just saying this feels familiar.
I see a more talented Alex Smith. In other words, game manager more than game changer.
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but I can't shake the memory of falling in full bloom love with a guy they were projecting to be a better pro than college player. I hope this is just PTSD.
Yes. This is all very familiar. No one was even talking about Jones at 6 in 2019 until not long before the draft.
Except multiple teams weren’t trying to move up for Jones. The Jones at 6 smoke was because of one fat idiot who couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
Now that wasn't nice dahlin'
He has a strong arm and is athletic but there are a lot of negatives to his game.
Maye is inaccurate with his short and intermediate passing constantly missing open receivers, he has happy feet in the pocket and never seems comfortable, his decision-making is slow, and he seems slow to react and escape pressure.
I think he will drop and come off the board before McCarthy and maybe there for the Giants.
Buyer beware.
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Than Penix thst game. Penix looked like a true freshman who was lost. McCarthy is a much better prospect than Penix.
That's not my point. My point is none of us really liked McCarthy, you included.
"I’ve said this before
JT039 : 1/8/2024 11:03 pm : link
There’s only 3 QBs worth taken in round 1.
Williams
Maye
Daniels"
Our collective objective opinion in January was that McCarthy wasn't a first rounder. He's played zero games since and now we're talking about trading up from 6 for him.
I'll repeat I'm not saying the Giants would be stupid to do it; I'll give Schoen the benefit of the doubt in getting his own QB.
I'm just saying this feels familiar.
You’re right - I didn’t think he was a first rounder either but I don’t pretend to be an NFL GM like you do and make bold claims. I’m still not even sold on him at 6. But if the giants take him - I hope he starts and becomes the face of the franchise. But obviously he stood out at the combine and interviews. So I’ve warmed up to him much like a few others here.
The question isn't whether JJM is a Top 10 prospect (hell Jamarcus Russel, Ryan Leaf, etc were Top 10 prospects), its whether he can be a Top 10 NFL QB. Only time will tell that, its not an exact science.
Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )
What does this game thread prove?
Very few on BBI are qualified to scout a college QB's potential as a pro while watching a game in real time (or even after the fact for that matter).
I don't understand all the McCarthy to Jones comparisons. That seems like a lazy comparison to make being made by the people who are mad we're not high enough in the draft to easily select the names that seem like safer picks.
McCarthy is young, athletic and part of his "sudden" draft rise is that his ability to read and process defenses might be the strongest in this class. One of the best football coaches on the planet likes his game enough to call him the number 1 QB in the class.
McCarthy is not Daniel Jones.
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Than Penix thst game. Penix looked like a true freshman who was lost. McCarthy is a much better prospect than Penix.
That's not my point. My point is none of us really liked McCarthy, you included.
"I’ve said this before
JT039 : 1/8/2024 11:03 pm : link
There’s only 3 QBs worth taken in round 1.
Williams
Maye
Daniels"
Our collective objective opinion in January was that McCarthy wasn't a first rounder. He's played zero games since and now we're talking about trading up from 6 for him.
I'll repeat I'm not saying the Giants would be stupid to do it; I'll give Schoen the benefit of the doubt in getting his own QB.
I'm just saying this feels familiar.
it is similar, fans generally prefer players with big stats who get media hype vs those that dont. nobody would have questioned drafting darnold, rosen, or haskins for those reasons in particular.
to me mccarthy's resume has a lot of similarities to josh allen's which is why ive thought he'd be in the mix pretty much since the OSU game in November.
McCarthy is young, athletic and part of his "sudden" draft rise is that his ability to read and process defenses might be the strongest in this class. One of the best football coaches on the planet likes his game enough to call him the number 1 QB in the class.
Two things. What do you expect Harbaugh to say? Seriously?
No one knows if McCarthy or any of these prospects can process and read an NFL defense.
NFL defenses are bigger, stronger, faster, more complicated, smarter, etc. It's not really the same game.
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McCarthy is young, athletic and part of his "sudden" draft rise is that his ability to read and process defenses might be the strongest in this class. One of the best football coaches on the planet likes his game enough to call him the number 1 QB in the class.
Two things. What do you expect Harbaugh to say? Seriously?
No one knows if McCarthy or any of these prospects can process and read an NFL defense.
NFL defenses are bigger, stronger, faster, more complicated, smarter, etc. It's not really the same game.
The alabama game is about as high of a competition level as you can get for a QB ahead of the draft. The only higher level was the UGA D the 2 years prior.
for the teams that are considering both daniels and jjm i would imagine they have watched and rewatched every play of their games vs bama 100x each.
That would be a massive reach.
I would throw up less if we took Nix at #6 over McCarthy or Penix. But I would still throw up.