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Hughes: Giants want JJ Mcarthy

ajr2456 : 3/15/2024 11:14 am
Hughes reports that the "buzz is there" that J.J. McCarthy is the player the Giants want in the draft.

League sources spoke highly of McCarthy when polled by SNY. One high-ranking executive said he’ll be a 'better pro than college player.' Another general manager said he has everything teams look for — size, athleticism, arm strength, accuracy, played in a pro-style offense. He added 'he’s also very coachable.'"

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ajr2456 : 3/15/2024 11:40 am : link
In comment 16433254 ryanmkeane said:
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Because JJ McCarthy is not a top 10 NFL prospect, that's why.


For someone he railed against other people for speaking in absolutes about Daniel Jones wasn’t good, this is both funny and incredibly ironic.

You don’t think that, but clearly the NFL and the Giants do.
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JT039 : 3/15/2024 11:40 am : link
In comment 16433262 Sean said:
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Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL
"If I had to guess today"

1. Bears - Caleb Williams
2. Commanders - Jayden Daniels
3. Vikings (via trade w/ NE) - Drake Maye
4. Cardinals - MHJ
5. Chargers - (want to trade back/OL?)
6. Giants - JJ McCarthy



SD has no WRs. You would have to think they take Oduzene or Nabers.
RE: RE: I'm happy they're looking at QB, and I'm done with McCarthy,  
ajr2456 : 3/15/2024 11:41 am : link
In comment 16433245 Greg from LI said:
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but I can't shake the memory of falling in full bloom love with a guy they were projecting to be a better pro than college player. I hope this is just PTSD.



Yes. This is all very familiar. No one was even talking about Jones at 6 in 2019 until not long before the draft.


Except multiple teams weren’t trying to move up for Jones. The Jones at 6 smoke was because of one fat idiot who couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
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UberAlias : 3/15/2024 11:42 am : link
In comment 16433262 Sean said:
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Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL
"If I had to guess today"

1. Bears - Caleb Williams
2. Commanders - Jayden Daniels
3. Vikings (via trade w/ NE) - Drake Maye
4. Cardinals - MHJ
5. Chargers - (want to trade back/OL?)
6. Giants - JJ McCarthy

Wow. I would take it, but I'd prefer Maye at 3.
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ryanmkeane : 3/15/2024 11:42 am : link
In comment 16433264 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16433254 ryanmkeane said:


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Because JJ McCarthy is not a top 10 NFL prospect, that's why.



For someone he railed against other people for speaking in absolutes about Daniel Jones wasn’t good, this is both funny and incredibly ironic.

You don’t think that, but clearly the NFL and the Giants do.

Here's the difference between you and me:

I state what my opinion is. I don't pretend to know what the Giants think or what they will do. I say what I think they'll do.

You say things like "clearly the NFL and Giants think McCarthy is a top 10 prospect" and you have next to zero information to back this up. You have zero sources within the Giants orginization. You have no inside or asshat scoop.
RE: Giants can't want both Fields and JJ  
Section331 : 3/15/2024 11:43 am : link
In comment 16433159 ZogZerg said:
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No where near the same QB.

One of the stories is BS.


I think Fields could be the backup option if they strike out on QB in the draft.
RE: I don't think AZ or LAC want Jefferson  
jeff57 : 3/15/2024 11:43 am : link
In comment 16433248 JonC said:
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doesn't compute for either team.

AZ probably wants MHJ, and really do not see Harbaugh paying elite dollars for a WR. LAC is picking OT, Edge, or trading down.


Chargers just get rid of Allen and Williams. The need is there and also the money.
McCarthy's  
AcidTest : 3/15/2024 11:43 am : link
meteoric rise since the end of the season leads me to believe he may now be the #2 QB, or at least equal to Maye.

It's pretty clear that the Giants will have to trade up for either. The question is whether they can. NE may point blank refuse all trade offers or ask for a "historic haul" that would make even Schoen say no.
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JT039 : 3/15/2024 11:44 am : link
In comment 16433271 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 16433264 ajr2456 said:


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In comment 16433254 ryanmkeane said:


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Because JJ McCarthy is not a top 10 NFL prospect, that's why.



For someone he railed against other people for speaking in absolutes about Daniel Jones wasn’t good, this is both funny and incredibly ironic.

You don’t think that, but clearly the NFL and the Giants do.


Here's the difference between you and me:

I state what my opinion is. I don't pretend to know what the Giants think or what they will do. I say what I think they'll do.

You say things like "clearly the NFL and Giants think McCarthy is a top 10 prospect" and you have next to zero information to back this up. You have zero sources within the Giants orginization. You have no inside or asshat scoop.


Except GMs and scouts actually have come out and said he will be taken top 10 or even top 6. So people clearly in the NFL think he is a top 10.

You claim he isn’t based on absolutely nothing.
Well not only are you completely wrong on everything in that post  
ajr2456 : 3/15/2024 11:44 am : link
But you don’t need inside sources to see that the NFL is high on McCarthy.
RE: Giants can’t offer what Minnesota can  
Big Rick in FL : 3/15/2024 11:44 am : link
In comment 16433175 jeff57 said:
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And they shouldn’t break the draft bank to try to do it.


The Giants have more draft capital than the Vikings
RE: Giants can’t offer what Minnesota can  
djm : 3/15/2024 11:44 am : link
In comment 16433175 jeff57 said:
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And they shouldn’t break the draft bank to try to do it.


NYG can offer more. They have the 6th pick. That beats Minny right off the bat.
Go get him if you like him alot.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/15/2024 11:45 am : link
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Brown_Hornet : 3/15/2024 11:45 am : link
In comment 16433254 ryanmkeane said:
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Because JJ McCarthy is not a top 10 NFL prospect, that's why.
Seems the pro's think he may be a top 5 prospect.
I  
AcidTest : 3/15/2024 11:50 am : link
don't think anybody is particularly good at evaluating QBs. Except for Sy, people on this board aren't scouts. And even Sy admits he was completely wrong about Josh Rosen. Scouts are also often wrong. Fifty percent of first round QBs bust.

I'm happy taking any of the "big four" QBs at #6, but don't want to trade up for any of them. Each has too many warts IMO to justify doing so. The frantic pre-draft chase by teams for QBs is an annual event, but it too often produces poor results for the teams that participate.
Projecting someone to be a better Pro QB  
Essex : 3/15/2024 11:50 am : link
than college QB is an awfully risky assumption with the sixth pick. That is precisely what we did with Jones. We thought he did not have talent around him, he was a hard worker, etc, and we thought it would be work out for us. It hasn't. McCarthy could but it is a sizeable gamble and very similar to the one that we took just six years ago.
RE: RE: I'm happy they're looking at QB, and I'm done with McCarthy,  
Toth029 : 3/15/2024 11:50 am : link
In comment 16433245 Greg from LI said:
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but I can't shake the memory of falling in full bloom love with a guy they were projecting to be a better pro than college player. I hope this is just PTSD.



Yes. This is all very familiar. No one was even talking about Jones at 6 in 2019 until not long before the draft.


McCarthy didn't declare until mid January. Teams interview and study more once he's in the process.

And the 2019 draft didn't have Kyler Murray at #1 until March/April.

Hell. Look at this early mock. It had Dwayne Haskins going first to the Giants at 6, Jones to the Dolphins at 13 and Murray all the way at 32 to the Patriots. February and March changes so much and we find out more when NFL teams view these talents than what the fans and media do. Interviews need to be taken more seriously by fans.
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-mock-draft-1-0-kyler-murray-lands-with-patriots-0ap3000001011490 - ( New Window )
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Section331 : 3/15/2024 11:50 am : link
In comment 16433271 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 16433254 ryanmkeane said:


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Because JJ McCarthy is not a top 10 NFL prospect, that's why.



For someone he railed against other people for speaking in absolutes about Daniel Jones wasn’t good, this is both funny and incredibly ironic.

You don’t think that, but clearly the NFL and the Giants do.


Here's the difference between you and me:

I state what my opinion is. I don't pretend to know what the Giants think or what they will do. I say what I think they'll do.

You say things like "clearly the NFL and Giants think McCarthy is a top 10 prospect" and you have next to zero information to back this up. You have zero sources within the Giants orginization. You have no inside or asshat scoop.


You didn’t say “I don’t think JJM is a top 10 prospect”, you outright said he wasn’t. That’s fine, we don’t always have to qualify our opinions, but it’s funny to see you try to hold other posters to that standard on the same thread where you don’t.
RE: RE: Giants can’t offer what Minnesota can  
jeff57 : 3/15/2024 11:51 am : link
In comment 16433281 djm said:
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And they shouldn’t break the draft bank to try to do it.



NYG can offer more. They have the 6th pick. That beats Minny right off the bat.


They have two No. 1s and Jefferson.
RE: RE: RE: Giants can’t offer what Minnesota can  
Essex : 3/15/2024 11:52 am : link
In comment 16433301 jeff57 said:
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And they shouldn’t break the draft bank to try to do it.



NYG can offer more. They have the 6th pick. That beats Minny right off the bat.



They have two No. 1s and Jefferson.

why would you draft a cost controlled QB, give up picks and give up the best wr in the game. If they do that, they beat us--but why would anyone do that!
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ajr2456 : 3/15/2024 11:53 am : link
In comment 16433300 Section331 said:
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You didn’t say “I don’t think JJM is a top 10 prospect”, you outright said he wasn’t. That’s fine, we don’t always have to qualify our opinions, but it’s funny to see you try to hold other posters to that standard on the same thread where you don’t.


Ryan being a hypocrite? Shocking
And maybe the Giants like the other 3  
JT039 : 3/15/2024 11:54 am : link
More than McCarthy - no one knows. But at least they are planning for every scenario. If Williams, Daniels, and Maye go 1-2-3, they at least have shown they have done their homework and are intrigued by what McCarthy brings.
RE: And maybe the Giants like the other 3  
ajr2456 : 3/15/2024 11:56 am : link
In comment 16433314 JT039 said:
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More than McCarthy - no one knows. But at least they are planning for every scenario. If Williams, Daniels, and Maye go 1-2-3, they at least have shown they have done their homework and are intrigued by what McCarthy brings.


Right. Nobody has said they like McCarthy more than anyone else. Them “wanting” McCarthy could just be that they don’t think they’ll have a shot at the other three and are comfortable taking McCarthy at 4-6.
RE: RE: Giants can’t offer what Minnesota can  
RCPhoenix : 3/15/2024 11:58 am : link
In comment 16433281 djm said:
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And they shouldn’t break the draft bank to try to do it.



NYG can offer more. They have the 6th pick. That beats Minny right off the bat.


I’m not sure why people on BBI are so concerned about Minnesota given Giants have the #6 pick. LA can trade with NY and be assured to get the player they want, or trade down again for even more picks.
Schoen better move up because no one would be suprirsed  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/15/2024 11:59 am : link
if the Vikings trade up to 4 or 5 and they will take a QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Giants can’t offer what Minnesota can  
jeff57 : 3/15/2024 11:59 am : link
In comment 16433307 Essex said:
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In comment 16433281 djm said:


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And they shouldn’t break the draft bank to try to do it.



NYG can offer more. They have the 6th pick. That beats Minny right off the bat.



They have two No. 1s and Jefferson.


why would you draft a cost controlled QB, give up picks and give up the best wr in the game. If they do that, they beat us--but why would anyone do that!


Money
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/15/2024 12:00 pm : link
In a world of uncertainty, I find comfort in the daily ryan vs. ajr back & forths.
My clear bias...  
bw in dc : 3/15/2024 12:01 pm : link
is going to get in the way here, but if Schoen felt it was worth investing big dollars into Team Jones, and that's failed, I'm starting off dubious about this McCarthy idea.

I just don't get it. If that guy is lottery pick, then Nix should be. And I find that idea, a big stretch...
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ajr2456 : 3/15/2024 12:01 pm : link
In comment 16433329 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In a world of uncertainty, I find comfort in the daily ryan vs. ajr back & forths.


It’s astonishing to me he enjoys the daily beat down. Must be a fetish
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Go Terps : 3/15/2024 12:02 pm : link
If you want an objective fan assessment of McCarthy, here's the thread from the last game he played. Everybody has been killing Penix for this game, but read through on McCarthy and you'll find a fan base that is unimpressed. You'll also find many comparisons to Daniel Jones.

Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed.
NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )
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eric2425ny : 3/15/2024 12:07 pm : link
In comment 16433334 Go Terps said:
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If you want an objective fan assessment of McCarthy, here's the thread from the last game he played. Everybody has been killing Penix for this game, but read through on McCarthy and you'll find a fan base that is unimpressed. You'll also find many comparisons to Daniel Jones.

Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )


This is what scares me about the idea of trading up for McCarthy. Jones was a mistake, but we didn’t have to trade away picks to draft Jones.
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widmerseyebrow : 3/15/2024 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16433334 Go Terps said:
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If you want an objective fan assessment of McCarthy, here's the thread from the last game he played. Everybody has been killing Penix for this game, but read through on McCarthy and you'll find a fan base that is unimpressed. You'll also find many comparisons to Daniel Jones.

Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )


I had been pretty against McCarthy all season.

My interest in him now is that he has a much better arm than I thought and, if you believe reports, has "elite" processing by NFL standards. Josh Allen thoroughly sucked in college ball against some really bad Mountain West teams so we know its possible to coach a physical specimen who can read beyond one receiver. And our HC is the guy who did it.
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bw in dc : 3/15/2024 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16433334 Go Terps said:
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If you want an objective fan assessment of McCarthy, here's the thread from the last game he played. Everybody has been killing Penix for this game, but read through on McCarthy and you'll find a fan base that is unimpressed. You'll also find many comparisons to Daniel Jones.

Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )


IMV, you have to have a very good imagination to see McCarthy being great in the NFL. I clearly don't have that ability/skill.

I hope Schoen, his team, and Dabka do - if this is real.
McCarthy was absolutely much better  
JT039 : 3/15/2024 12:10 pm : link
Than Penix thst game. Penix looked like a true freshman who was lost. McCarthy is a much better prospect than Penix.
I just can't get the Zach Wilson  
mittenedman : 3/15/2024 12:12 pm : link
comparison out of my head. It's who he reminds me of.
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Eric on Li : 3/15/2024 12:13 pm : link
In comment 16433334 Go Terps said:
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If you want an objective fan assessment of McCarthy, here's the thread from the last game he played. Everybody has been killing Penix for this game, but read through on McCarthy and you'll find a fan base that is unimpressed. You'll also find many comparisons to Daniel Jones.

Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )


harbough called 18 passing plays. just 7 in the second half. they won by 20 and ran for 300 yards.
RE: I think  
56goat : 3/15/2024 12:13 pm : link
In comment 16433260 Giants1986 said:
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They’re blowing smoke to make sure all 4 before they pick. They want to jones a WR. Look at the org coming out in defense of Schneiders comments. Daniel jones is going to be starting week 1


Ummm, no.
RE: McCarthy was absolutely much better  
Go Terps : 3/15/2024 12:17 pm : link
In comment 16433367 JT039 said:
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Than Penix thst game. Penix looked like a true freshman who was lost. McCarthy is a much better prospect than Penix.


That's not my point. My point is none of us really liked McCarthy, you included.

"I’ve said this before
JT039 : 1/8/2024 11:03 pm : link
There’s only 3 QBs worth taken in round 1.

Williams
Maye
Daniels"

Our collective objective opinion in January was that McCarthy wasn't a first rounder. He's played zero games since and now we're talking about trading up from 6 for him.

I'll repeat I'm not saying the Giants would be stupid to do it; I'll give Schoen the benefit of the doubt in getting his own QB.

I'm just saying this feels familiar.
RE: I just can't get the Zach Wilson  
bw in dc : 3/15/2024 12:18 pm : link
In comment 16433373 mittenedman said:
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comparison out of my head. It's who he reminds me of.


I see a more talented Alex Smith. In other words, game manager more than game changer.
RE: RE: RE: I'm happy they're looking at QB, and I'm done with McCarthy,  
56goat : 3/15/2024 12:18 pm : link
In comment 16433269 ajr2456 said:
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but I can't shake the memory of falling in full bloom love with a guy they were projecting to be a better pro than college player. I hope this is just PTSD.



Yes. This is all very familiar. No one was even talking about Jones at 6 in 2019 until not long before the draft.



Except multiple teams weren’t trying to move up for Jones. The Jones at 6 smoke was because of one fat idiot who couldn’t keep his mouth shut.


Now that wasn't nice dahlin'
Maye  
Archer : 3/15/2024 12:19 pm : link
Maye scares me. After watching his game videos I was not impressed.
He has a strong arm and is athletic but there are a lot of negatives to his game.

Maye is inaccurate with his short and intermediate passing constantly missing open receivers, he has happy feet in the pocket and never seems comfortable, his decision-making is slow, and he seems slow to react and escape pressure.

I think he will drop and come off the board before McCarthy and maybe there for the Giants.

Buyer beware.

RE: RE: McCarthy was absolutely much better  
JT039 : 3/15/2024 12:20 pm : link
In comment 16433399 Go Terps said:
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Than Penix thst game. Penix looked like a true freshman who was lost. McCarthy is a much better prospect than Penix.



That's not my point. My point is none of us really liked McCarthy, you included.

"I’ve said this before
JT039 : 1/8/2024 11:03 pm : link
There’s only 3 QBs worth taken in round 1.

Williams
Maye
Daniels"

Our collective objective opinion in January was that McCarthy wasn't a first rounder. He's played zero games since and now we're talking about trading up from 6 for him.

I'll repeat I'm not saying the Giants would be stupid to do it; I'll give Schoen the benefit of the doubt in getting his own QB.

I'm just saying this feels familiar.


You’re right - I didn’t think he was a first rounder either but I don’t pretend to be an NFL GM like you do and make bold claims. I’m still not even sold on him at 6. But if the giants take him - I hope he starts and becomes the face of the franchise. But obviously he stood out at the combine and interviews. So I’ve warmed up to him much like a few others here.
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56goat : 3/15/2024 12:20 pm : link
In comment 16433254 ryanmkeane said:
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Because JJ McCarthy is not a top 10 NFL prospect, that's why.


The question isn't whether JJM is a Top 10 prospect (hell Jamarcus Russel, Ryan Leaf, etc were Top 10 prospects), its whether he can be a Top 10 NFL QB. Only time will tell that, its not an exact science.
after  
Archer : 3/15/2024 12:20 pm : link
come off the board after McCarthy
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Chris684 : 3/15/2024 12:22 pm : link
In comment 16433334 Go Terps said:
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If you want an objective fan assessment of McCarthy, here's the thread from the last game he played. Everybody has been killing Penix for this game, but read through on McCarthy and you'll find a fan base that is unimpressed. You'll also find many comparisons to Daniel Jones.

Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )


What does this game thread prove?

Very few on BBI are qualified to scout a college QB's potential as a pro while watching a game in real time (or even after the fact for that matter).

I don't understand all the McCarthy to Jones comparisons. That seems like a lazy comparison to make being made by the people who are mad we're not high enough in the draft to easily select the names that seem like safer picks.

McCarthy is young, athletic and part of his "sudden" draft rise is that his ability to read and process defenses might be the strongest in this class. One of the best football coaches on the planet likes his game enough to call him the number 1 QB in the class.

McCarthy is not Daniel Jones.
RE: RE: McCarthy was absolutely much better  
Eric on Li : 3/15/2024 12:22 pm : link
In comment 16433399 Go Terps said:
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Than Penix thst game. Penix looked like a true freshman who was lost. McCarthy is a much better prospect than Penix.



That's not my point. My point is none of us really liked McCarthy, you included.

"I’ve said this before
JT039 : 1/8/2024 11:03 pm : link
There’s only 3 QBs worth taken in round 1.

Williams
Maye
Daniels"

Our collective objective opinion in January was that McCarthy wasn't a first rounder. He's played zero games since and now we're talking about trading up from 6 for him.

I'll repeat I'm not saying the Giants would be stupid to do it; I'll give Schoen the benefit of the doubt in getting his own QB.

I'm just saying this feels familiar.


it is similar, fans generally prefer players with big stats who get media hype vs those that dont. nobody would have questioned drafting darnold, rosen, or haskins for those reasons in particular.

to me mccarthy's resume has a lot of similarities to josh allen's which is why ive thought he'd be in the mix pretty much since the OSU game in November.
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bw in dc : 3/15/2024 12:26 pm : link
In comment 16433414 Chris684 said:
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McCarthy is young, athletic and part of his "sudden" draft rise is that his ability to read and process defenses might be the strongest in this class. One of the best football coaches on the planet likes his game enough to call him the number 1 QB in the class.



Two things. What do you expect Harbaugh to say? Seriously?

No one knows if McCarthy or any of these prospects can process and read an NFL defense.

NFL defenses are bigger, stronger, faster, more complicated, smarter, etc. It's not really the same game.
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Eric on Li : 3/15/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16433434 bw in dc said:
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McCarthy is young, athletic and part of his "sudden" draft rise is that his ability to read and process defenses might be the strongest in this class. One of the best football coaches on the planet likes his game enough to call him the number 1 QB in the class.





Two things. What do you expect Harbaugh to say? Seriously?

No one knows if McCarthy or any of these prospects can process and read an NFL defense.

NFL defenses are bigger, stronger, faster, more complicated, smarter, etc. It's not really the same game.


The alabama game is about as high of a competition level as you can get for a QB ahead of the draft. The only higher level was the UGA D the 2 years prior.

for the teams that are considering both daniels and jjm i would imagine they have watched and rewatched every play of their games vs bama 100x each.
Is it out of the question the Giants could take Penix at 6?  
Sean : 3/15/2024 12:36 pm : link
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RE: Is it out of the question the Giants could take Penix at 6?  
bw in dc : 3/15/2024 12:40 pm : link
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That would be a massive reach.

I would throw up less if we took Nix at #6 over McCarthy or Penix. But I would still throw up.
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