Hughes reports that the "buzz is there" that J.J. McCarthy is the player the Giants want in the draft.
League sources spoke highly of McCarthy when polled by SNY. One high-ranking executive said he’ll be a 'better pro than college player.' Another general manager said he has everything teams look for — size, athleticism, arm strength, accuracy, played in a pro-style offense. He added 'he’s also very coachable.'"
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I doubt the Giants would be interested in Penix at all.
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Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL
"If I had to guess today"
1. Bears - Caleb Williams
2. Commanders - Jayden Daniels
3. Vikings (via trade w/ NE) - Drake Maye
4. Cardinals - MHJ
5. Chargers - (want to trade back/OL?)
6. Giants - JJ McCarthy
SD has no WRs. You would have to think they take Oduzene or Nabers.
New England has no QB and the Chargers have no WRs. While there's a possiblity NE moves out if the QB they like is gone, I don't think SD moves from #5.
Where the action might happen is #6, if the leftover QB is not one the Giants want and another team does.
He told me to expect this earlier this week.
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I doubt the Giants would be interested in Penix at all.
I think one of the "big 4" will be there at #6, assuming no trades in the top 5. If Penix is the guy we want, we probably swap with Minnesota. 6 for 11 and 23 (and maybe some lower round pick going to Minnesota to make it even)
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In comment 16433262 Sean said:
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Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL
"If I had to guess today"
1. Bears - Caleb Williams
2. Commanders - Jayden Daniels
3. Vikings (via trade w/ NE) - Drake Maye
4. Cardinals - MHJ
5. Chargers - (want to trade back/OL?)
6. Giants - JJ McCarthy
SD has no WRs. You would have to think they take Oduzene or Nabers.
New England has no QB and the Chargers have no WRs. While there's a possiblity NE moves out if the QB they like is gone, I don't think SD moves from #5.
Where the action might happen is #6, if the leftover QB is not one the Giants want and another team does.
This would be amazing. Get the qb I have rated higher than Maye while not spending any extra draft capital. Winning
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In comment 16433414 Chris684 said:
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McCarthy is young, athletic and part of his "sudden" draft rise is that his ability to read and process defenses might be the strongest in this class. One of the best football coaches on the planet likes his game enough to call him the number 1 QB in the class.
Two things. What do you expect Harbaugh to say? Seriously?
No one knows if McCarthy or any of these prospects can process and read an NFL defense.
NFL defenses are bigger, stronger, faster, more complicated, smarter, etc. It's not really the same game.
The alabama game is about as high of a competition level as you can get for a QB ahead of the draft. The only higher level was the UGA D the 2 years prior.
for the teams that are considering both daniels and jjm i would imagine they have watched and rewatched every play of their games vs bama 100x each.
This is spot on and a familiar refrain refuting JJ'S ability. He is a 21 year old kidd who faced a borderline NFL defense 8n Bama.
The amount of noise regarding the Giants and JJ is almost too much. I almost feel as though they are inviting the trade up. Maybe to secure Nabers/Odunze. But its not just smoke, it's an oil fire worth of rumors
does Arizona want a boatload of assets from MIN?
or fewer assets but only a 2 pick slide?
would NYG give up their 2025 first to move up 2 spots?
i think that's where all this is going.
It doesn’t matter what Hughes, Albright or Joe Biden says. It only matters was JS says and we’ll find out on Apr 25
Will NE move out? I am thinking no. I think NE likes Maye.
Will AZ miss out on MHJ to move out for anybody? I think no.
I think it is all about LA Chargers who have a QB.
If NYG can trade up with LA in normal situation it will take a 3rd round pick tops but this is not normal. I would try a 2025 2nd round pick first, if not then maybe 2024 2nd round pick but get LA's 3rd.
Schoen has his work cut out for himself.
Did you speak to JS recently?
McCarthy strength is operating ore-snap and processing quickly. Its an elite level skill. McCarthy operates well under pressure.
“He’s one-of-one as far as I’m concerned when it comes to quarterbacks who operate at the line of scrimmage in a pro-style system,” Schlereth said. “He’s in control at the line of scrimmage. He’s not just looking at a card saying ‘barn, rooster, chicken,’ he’s actually operating and changing strength calls.”
“When I look at these quarterbacks, I’m looking for transferable skill sets,” Schlereth. “That’s why I said J.J. McCarthy is shooting up the draft board because he’s the only guy who is operating pre-snap.”
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“He always saw the field well last year, but just giving him a pre-snap platform to execute — and tying his footwork with his platform — I think that’s an elite trait,” Campbell (Michigan QB coach) said. “Being able to do that at such a high level and so quickly is (impressive). People can throw the football really well, and some people can run it really well. But to be able to do all three is amazing.”
Campbell pointed to McCarthy’s recognition of different defensive formations, from one and two-high safety looks to zone coverage, and response as key. Michigan’s coaches have given the quarterback more freedom to call audibles at the line of scrimmage this year, entrusting McCarthy like never before.
And he ran a pro-style offense from a demanding former NFL QB and former successful NFL HC in Harbaugh
He is the opposite of Jones
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doesn't compute for either team.
AZ probably wants MHJ, and really do not see Harbaugh paying elite dollars for a WR. LAC is picking OT, Edge, or trading down.
Chargers just get rid of Allen and Williams. The need is there and also the money.
Harbaugh doesn't value WR to the extreme, and not at today's cap hit. I don't think they go WR at #5.
I just see everyone talking themselves into him, and that does remind of what happened with Jones.
But the similarities probably end there. McCarthy was highly recruited out of high school and productive in college. Jones was neither. I looked how McCarthy threw the ball at the Combine, too. I'd be excited and hopeful if the Giants draft him.
Again, I'm not dismissing McCarthy or the possibility that he might be really good. I'm just saying the last time we watched him play football we were not impressed. NCAA Title Game - Michigan v. Washington - ( New Window )
This is what I'm saying. Objectively, just watching him play, I'm not like wow this is the guy. I could easily be wrong but I dont see top 10 player here. If JS has that conviction though, go get em.
I think it's important to support our team's sportswriters and although I didn't click on the link myself (out of principle), I'm happy for Mr. Hughes that others were more supportive. We all need to put food on the table and nobody got hurt. And it gave me another chance to lecture people on their gullibility/selective stupidity (and again, I say "selective" because they would be calling you on your bullshit if you were saying something they didn't want to hear rather than something they do want to hear).
How many of you had Tom Brady as a legit starting NFL QB and future HOF?
How many of you were on board with Ryan Leaf as a QB specimen and future star of the NFL?
How many of you were 100% behind Darnold or Rosen?
How many of you had major questions about Josh Allen?
How many of you believed Patrick Mahomes was the best QB coming out in the draft that year?
How many of you had Deshaun Watson as the best QB in that draft?
Quarterback drafts are a crap shoot and one thing JJM has going for him is the fact that he was coached by a former NFL QB, former NFL HC who took a team to the SB. He is biased yes but he could also be very right..
I think it's important to support our team's sportswriters and although I didn't click on the link myself (out of principle), I'm happy for Mr. Hughes that others were more supportive. We all need to put food on the table and nobody got hurt. And it gave me another chance to lecture people on their gullibility/selective stupidity (and again, I say "selective" because they would be calling you on your bullshit if you were saying something they didn't want to hear rather than something they do want to hear).
What “information” do you want ?
Schoen on record saying it ?
So fucking dumb
Joe Schoen was the Bills asst GM during the 2018 draft (Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Lamar draft). Bills walked away with arguably the best QB from that draft (Lamar has a very strong case too) despite Allen being the third QB picked. Don't panic Giants fans.
That got us Eli and 2 Super Bowls
McCarthy did this vs Alabama with 2 mins left down 7. That drive was all him
Also, you can knock the Wash game but that gane was 20-13 with 2 mins left. McCarthy delivered a 41 yd pass to seal that game.
I'm sure the Giants like McCarthy and think he can be a good pro.
But he is not the prospect that Drake Maye is. Not particularly close IMO.
Most of us watched him play for 2-3 years and thought..
"he's just an average QB, not real potential"
Then he puts on a tshirt and shorts and throws at the combine, now its...
"thats the guy i want at 6"
I dont get it
They certainly can top it. You haven’t paid attention to the lack of picks Minnesota has this year.
Most of us watched him play for 2-3 years and thought..
"he's just an average QB, not real potential"
Then he puts on a tshirt and shorts and throws at the combine, now its...
"thats the guy i want at 6"
I dont get it
He had started two seasons and played big in big moments. Tested fantastic and graded positively in the passes. Plus, he reportedly interviewed really well and it seems fans, including here, want to ignore that.
Most of us watched him play for 2-3 years and thought..
"he's just an average QB, not real potential"
Then he puts on a tshirt and shorts and throws at the combine, now its...
"thats the guy i want at 6"
I dont get it
We just endured five years of rationalizing for Daniel Jones. The people that did that rationalizing will do the same for whomever the Giants draft whether he's good or not. If it came out that the Giants had no interest in McCarthy they'd go back to saying he isn't that good.
Most of us watched him play for 2-3 years and thought..
"he's just an average QB, not real potential"
Then he puts on a tshirt and shorts and throws at the combine, now its...
"thats the guy i want at 6"
I dont get it
That is the problem... you don't get it so you can't understand how anyone else gets it. Like you are so amazing judge of talent to say all these people talking about JJ being a top 10 pick are wrong, but you are right because you didn't hear about him during the year. It is kind of laughable.
Most of us watched him play for 2-3 years and thought..
"he's just an average QB, not real potential"
Then he puts on a tshirt and shorts and throws at the combine, now its...
"thats the guy i want at 6"
I dont get it
You've got to try. If you want a Mahomes type prospect you'll be waiting forever. Keep drafting QBs. I'm fine with McCarthy or any QB they want at 6.
People bitch if they stick with Jones. People will bitch if they draft McCarthy. Fucking try something.
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its amazing that....
Most of us watched him play for 2-3 years and thought..
"he's just an average QB, not real potential"
Then he puts on a tshirt and shorts and throws at the combine, now its...
"thats the guy i want at 6"
I dont get it
You've got to try. If you want a Mahomes type prospect you'll be waiting forever. Keep drafting QBs. I'm fine with McCarthy or any QB they want at 6.
People bitch if they stick with Jones. People will bitch if they draft McCarthy. Fucking try something.
This, I agree with. They've got to try. My opinions of these quarterbacks aren't the same as theirs, but they're the ones getting paid to scout them.
The important thing is that they try. If they miss, I'm ok with that if they own it quickly and move on.
But not the outcome would have ever thought was one to pursue, God help us.
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You got ajr2456 to post a link to your story even though it contained nothing new and on top of that, he misrepresented it with a headline suggesting you had some actual information that the Giants want JJ McCarthy when it was just a rehashing of the "buzz" we heard during the combine, "buzz" being a word that suggests "smoke" rather than "hot air" and we all know where there is smoke there is fire, where there is hot air there is just more of the same speculation.
I think it's important to support our team's sportswriters and although I didn't click on the link myself (out of principle), I'm happy for Mr. Hughes that others were more supportive. We all need to put food on the table and nobody got hurt. And it gave me another chance to lecture people on their gullibility/selective stupidity (and again, I say "selective" because they would be calling you on your bullshit if you were saying something they didn't want to hear rather than something they do want to hear).
What “information” do you want ?
Schoen on record saying it ?
So fucking dumb
He is following an elite set of posters that spent years on here being two things - condescending and wrong.
People get to pretend to be whatever they like on the internet, and for some that is very intoxicating.
I think it's important to support our team's sportswriters and although I didn't click on the link myself (out of principle), I'm happy for Mr. Hughes that others were more supportive. We all need to put food on the table and nobody got hurt. And it gave me another chance to lecture people on their gullibility/selective stupidity (and again, I say "selective" because they would be calling you on your bullshit if you were saying something they didn't want to hear rather than something they do want to hear).
Just to be clear, while you may think you are lecturing people, what you are really doing is showing everybody how poorly you think about football by taking poor stances and opinions on NYG topics.
I like my odds of being correct by just going with the opposing opinion than yours. On anything.
Most of us watched him play for 2-3 years and thought..
"he's just an average QB, not real potential"
Then he puts on a tshirt and shorts and throws at the combine, now its...
"thats the guy i want at 6"
I dont get it
JJMs "rise" started before the combine just based on tape.
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You got ajr2456 to post a link to your story even though it contained nothing new and on top of that, he misrepresented it with a headline suggesting you had some actual information that the Giants want JJ McCarthy when it was just a rehashing of the "buzz" we heard during the combine, "buzz" being a word that suggests "smoke" rather than "hot air" and we all know where there is smoke there is fire, where there is hot air there is just more of the same speculation.
I think it's important to support our team's sportswriters and although I didn't click on the link myself (out of principle), I'm happy for Mr. Hughes that others were more supportive. We all need to put food on the table and nobody got hurt. And it gave me another chance to lecture people on their gullibility/selective stupidity (and again, I say "selective" because they would be calling you on your bullshit if you were saying something they didn't want to hear rather than something they do want to hear).
Just to be clear, while you may think you are lecturing people, what you are really doing is showing everybody how poorly you think about football by taking poor stances and opinions on NYG topics.
I like my odds of being correct by just going with the opposing opinion than yours. On anything.
I don't think anyone here is like hey what does ThomasG think. Your opinion isn't as valued as you think.
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In comment 16433602 Milton said:
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You got ajr2456 to post a link to your story even though it contained nothing new and on top of that, he misrepresented it with a headline suggesting you had some actual information that the Giants want JJ McCarthy when it was just a rehashing of the "buzz" we heard during the combine, "buzz" being a word that suggests "smoke" rather than "hot air" and we all know where there is smoke there is fire, where there is hot air there is just more of the same speculation.
I think it's important to support our team's sportswriters and although I didn't click on the link myself (out of principle), I'm happy for Mr. Hughes that others were more supportive. We all need to put food on the table and nobody got hurt. And it gave me another chance to lecture people on their gullibility/selective stupidity (and again, I say "selective" because they would be calling you on your bullshit if you were saying something they didn't want to hear rather than something they do want to hear).
Just to be clear, while you may think you are lecturing people, what you are really doing is showing everybody how poorly you think about football by taking poor stances and opinions on NYG topics.
I like my odds of being correct by just going with the opposing opinion than yours. On anything.
I don't think anyone here is like hey what does ThomasG think. Your opinion isn't as valued as you think.
If you and I aren’t on the same page then I think I’m feeling good. Thanks.
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In comment 16433602 Milton said:
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You got ajr2456 to post a link to your story even though it contained nothing new and on top of that, he misrepresented it with a headline suggesting you had some actual information that the Giants want JJ McCarthy when it was just a rehashing of the "buzz" we heard during the combine, "buzz" being a word that suggests "smoke" rather than "hot air" and we all know where there is smoke there is fire, where there is hot air there is just more of the same speculation.
I think it's important to support our team's sportswriters and although I didn't click on the link myself (out of principle), I'm happy for Mr. Hughes that others were more supportive. We all need to put food on the table and nobody got hurt. And it gave me another chance to lecture people on their gullibility/selective stupidity (and again, I say "selective" because they would be calling you on your bullshit if you were saying something they didn't want to hear rather than something they do want to hear).
Just to be clear, while you may think you are lecturing people, what you are really doing is showing everybody how poorly you think about football by taking poor stances and opinions on NYG topics.
I like my odds of being correct by just going with the opposing opinion than yours. On anything.
I don't think anyone here is like hey what does ThomasG think. Your opinion isn't as valued as you think.
If you and I aren’t on the same page then I think I’m feeling good. Thanks.
I hope you feel that way with most posters here. You will be feeling great!
We know, you want more weapons for Daniel.
Most of us watched him play for 2-3 years and thought..
"he's just an average QB, not real potential"
Then he puts on a tshirt and shorts and throws at the combine, now its...
"thats the guy i want at 6"
I dont get it
If you saw him play in 2022 and 2023, then you would have seen a QB who improved in 2023 compared to 2022.
Besides - none of us has on this board expertise as a scout except for Sy.
The truth here is likely that they are WILLING to draft McCarthy if he is the only one left on the board at #6. By floating this out there now, it will not appear that they settled on McCarthy.
IMO, the Giants should already have a trade worked out with Arizona if Maye is still on the board after New England makes their pick. However, Maye seems like the guy who New England would draft.
The truth here is likely that they are WILLING to draft McCarthy if he is the only one left on the board at #6. By floating this out there now, it will not appear that they settled on McCarthy.
IMO, the Giants should already have a trade worked out with Arizona if Maye is still on the board after New England makes their pick. However, Maye seems like the guy who New England would draft.
I don't think AZ is moving off MHj... Now that it is almost a lock for them to get him I think they are not going anywhere. So I would look to trade up to #5 in place.
Will NE move out? I am thinking no. I think NE likes Maye.
Will AZ miss out on MHJ to move out for anybody? I think no.
I think it is all about LA Chargers who have a QB.
If NYG can trade up with LA in normal situation it will take a 3rd round pick tops but this is not normal. I would try a 2025 2nd round pick first, if not then maybe 2024 2nd round pick but get LA's 3rd.
Schoen has his work cut out for himself.
I feel like neither the Cards nor the Chargers are going to want to risk losing out on top receivers. The Chargers no longer have Allen or Williams.
The truth here is likely that they are WILLING to draft McCarthy if he is the only one left on the board at #6. By floating this out there now, it will not appear that they settled on McCarthy.
IMO, the Giants should already have a trade worked out with Arizona if Maye is still on the board after New England makes their pick. However, Maye seems like the guy who New England would draft.
I think the Giants are going QB-WR with their top two picks. Given the age of the roster, it's the perfect time to slide in a rookie first round QB. It makes too much sense. I agree that Maye is the likely target but they'd be thrilled with McCarthy.
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How much will they give up to get him is the question.
Will NE move out? I am thinking no. I think NE likes Maye.
Will AZ miss out on MHJ to move out for anybody? I think no.
I think it is all about LA Chargers who have a QB.
If NYG can trade up with LA in normal situation it will take a 3rd round pick tops but this is not normal. I would try a 2025 2nd round pick first, if not then maybe 2024 2nd round pick but get LA's 3rd.
Schoen has his work cut out for himself.
I feel like neither the Cards nor the Chargers are going to want to risk losing out on top receivers. The Chargers no longer have Allen or Williams.
If the Chargers trade with the Giants (assuming the first three picks are QB and then MH Jr), they'd have their choice of Odunze or Nabers. This is also why I think the Giants are a much better trade partner for the Chargers than Minnesota.
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How much will they give up to get him is the question.
Will NE move out? I am thinking no. I think NE likes Maye.
Will AZ miss out on MHJ to move out for anybody? I think no.
I think it is all about LA Chargers who have a QB.
If NYG can trade up with LA in normal situation it will take a 3rd round pick tops but this is not normal. I would try a 2025 2nd round pick first, if not then maybe 2024 2nd round pick but get LA's 3rd.
Schoen has his work cut out for himself.
I feel like neither the Cards nor the Chargers are going to want to risk losing out on top receivers. The Chargers no longer have Allen or Williams.
I don’t think WR is the first place Harbaugh is looking to start building that team. He’s going to build it from the inside out
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How much will they give up to get him is the question.
Will NE move out? I am thinking no. I think NE likes Maye.
Will AZ miss out on MHJ to move out for anybody? I think no.
I think it is all about LA Chargers who have a QB.
If NYG can trade up with LA in normal situation it will take a 3rd round pick tops but this is not normal. I would try a 2025 2nd round pick first, if not then maybe 2024 2nd round pick but get LA's 3rd.
Schoen has his work cut out for himself.
I feel like neither the Cards nor the Chargers are going to want to risk losing out on top receivers. The Chargers no longer have Allen or Williams.
If the Chargers trade with the Giants (assuming the first three picks are QB and then MH Jr), they'd have their choice of Odunze or Nabers. This is also why I think the Giants are a much better trade partner for the Chargers than Minnesota.
Chargers would still have an opportunity for a top WR or OT their choice, in a trade with the Giants.
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In comment 16433254 ryanmkeane said:
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Because JJ McCarthy is not a top 10 NFL prospect, that's why.
For someone he railed against other people for speaking in absolutes about Daniel Jones wasn’t good, this is both funny and incredibly ironic.
You don’t think that, but clearly the NFL and the Giants do.
Here's the difference between you and me:
I state what my opinion is. I don't pretend to know what the Giants think or what they will do. I say what I think they'll do.
You say things like "clearly the NFL and Giants think McCarthy is a top 10 prospect" and you have next to zero information to back this up. You have zero sources within the Giants orginization. You have no inside or asshat scoop.
But you also said McCarthy is not a top ten prospect. What, is the absence of the word "clearly" a meaningful distinction between that statement and ajr's?