I've read a number of posts virtually guaranteeing Daboll and Schoen survive this year. I think it's likely, except in one scenario.
If the Giants run it back with Jones as the starter, don't pick a legitimate alternative (for instance Rattler in the third), and falter.
I'd bet my house if a Daniel Jones led team loses 10 games in 2024, the level of ugliness from the media and fans will lap what we saw in 2021.
Anyone willing to be they'd survive that?
This year could very well be their only chance to draft a QB. And given the fact that GMs rarely get second GM jobs, this could be the only opportunity that Schoen ever has to pick a QB. The Jones contract could be a big reason for the death of his GM career, just one of the many pelts on Jones's wall full of OCs, HCs, and GMs
I think this is *the* reason they will make an aggressive move to draft a quarterback. Self preservation.
Hitching their wagon to Jones wastes potentially two more prime years of Thomas, Lawrence, Burns, and Thibs/Banks on their rookie contracts. Would be a disaster.
What if Daboll doesn't lose the team, and the Giants are competitive but lose 11 games?
What if he doesn't?
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I do expect jones, behind and actually improved line, and talent around him to do well.
What if he doesn't?
And what does improved even mean? If he gets to 1 passing TD/game that's an improvement over his last 4 years, but that's still pretty awful
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I do expect jones, behind and actually improved line, and talent around him to do well.
What if he doesn't?
And what makes you think he can stay healthy?
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I do expect jones, behind and actually improved line, and talent around him to do well.
What if he doesn't?
Then our record won’t be great either go for a stop gap vet the next offseason or then take your QB. In the meantime do not draft one at 6 this season. Take an impact player like Rome, Bowers, Nabers etc. build the roster so when the qb eventually comes we have talent. This way we won’t waste a rookie QB contract. My idea has and will be to get Rattler whatever it takes. If we have to trade up in round 3 do it. He has all the potential that the top guys have. Hes being slept on tremendously by the media and fans. The scouts definitely see what he has. I can’t go through his resume again but it’s impressive and he checks all the boxes imo. Only issues is height not size. Hes built very thick from top to bottom. He’s also 6-1 he’s not a smurf and he has great feet within the pocket. Sneaky athlete
They are getting a young QB in this drsft whether its in the top 6 ir a trade back jnto the late first to get Nix or Penix..
There is no chance they let Jones torpedo them this year
Schoen took a calculated risk with the Jones-Barkley contracts. It would have been better to tag Jones and negotiate with Barkley, but a lot of GMs would have done it the same way. The mistake was believing Jones had improved and would continue to improve and that his injury history was behind him. What we don’t know is how supportive ownership was to the strategy that was implemented.
Schoen’s job depends on how he gets the Giants out of QB hell. That has to play out.
Mara will not fire Schoen for a continued belief in Daniel Jones. If Jones plays terribly this year, you can bet Mara will simply conclude that Daboll wasn’t able to get Jones to play at the level he is capable of playing, and will want another coach to try.
I don’t think there is any possibility Schoen gets fired in the next two years. None.
Mara will not fire Schoen for a continued belief in Daniel Jones. If Jones plays terribly this year, you can bet Mara will simply conclude that Daboll wasn’t able to get Jones to play at the level he is capable of playing, and will want another coach to try.
I don’t think there is any possibility Schoen gets fired in the next two years. None.
We are well beyond that imo. It's over for Jones. I'd be shocked if this is all set up for another go with Daniel.
Mara will not fire Schoen for a continued belief in Daniel Jones. If Jones plays terribly this year, you can bet Mara will simply conclude that Daboll wasn’t able to get Jones to play at the level he is capable of playing, and will want another coach to try.
Yikes, I can almost see it.
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The question is Daboll.
Mara will not fire Schoen for a continued belief in Daniel Jones. If Jones plays terribly this year, you can bet Mara will simply conclude that Daboll wasn’t able to get Jones to play at the level he is capable of playing, and will want another coach to try.
I don’t think there is any possibility Schoen gets fired in the next two years. None.
We are well beyond that imo. It's over for Jones. I'd be shocked if this is all set up for another go with Daniel.
We would not be making the decision - John Mara would. Our view on Daniel Jones is irrelevant to the decision. Only John Mara’s view is relevant on who gets fired. If Schoen tells him they can’t land a top prospect so the best course it to stay with Jones for one more year and try again on QB in 2025, do you think Schoen starts screaming at him or nods and says “yeah ok?” If the latter, Schoen is not getting fired.
I’ll believe Mara is ok giving up on Daniel Jones when Daniel Jones is no longer publicly penciled in as the starter.
If Barkley has a strong season and Philly makes a deep playoff run, while Jones flops, that might be enough for Mara to make a move at GM.
If Barkley has a strong season and Philly makes a deep playoff run, while Jones flops, that might be enough for Mara to make a move at GM.
Which is more reason Jones is done imo. Schoen is making his mark, Barkley is in Philly, he's not going to half ass it and roll with Jones. That makes no sense. I'm very confident Schoen knows this is the time to get QB. I'll be surprised if NYG owns their 2025 first round pick.
schoen is judged differently over a longer horizon. i think he's batted around league average in draft/fa so i dont think he'll get canned for his personnel track record. daboll won a COY so his hiring of him is already in his favor even if it doesnt work out. but his big responsibility is in running the wider org with a lot of people in a lot of different departments so the biggest factor in his continued employment is how well he is as a manager. is that environment positive, running effectively, and attracting talented people or is it sour/sniping like gettleman days? it seems a lot better but its hard to know from the outside.
the only other way i could see schoen get canned (or sidelined to some extent) if is they can daboll and decide to move on to an established veteran coach who demands autonomy. if they hired belichek i dont think we'd see schoen in the lockerroom huddles postgame any more even if he stuck around.
[quote] The question is Daboll.
Mara will not fire Schoen for a continued belief in Daniel Jones. If Jones plays terribly this year, you can bet Mara will simply conclude that Daboll wasn’t able to get Jones to play at the level he is capable of playing, and will want another coach to try.
I don’t think there is any possibility Schoen gets fired in the next two years. None. [/quote
My god that's terrifying.
Right now I'd take Daboll over Schoen in a heartbeat.
Do you think the lense of competitive changes if the QB is Jones vs. Taylor/DeVito?
I think the general zeitgeist changes. 6-11 with several close games smells very different if Jones is playing.
He gets one more Drafted QB.....imo.
If the Giants have poor season in 2024, do you think it's more likely the root cause is Daboll did a poor job coaching, or that the talent wasn't sufficient?
He gets one more Drafted QB.....imo.
How do you think the public and media would react?
“Overdraft” a QB is something that you’ve created in your head as part of your fierce Daniel Jones defense.
So they get fired if Williams sucks but not for paying with and sticking with a QB for year 6 that also sucks?
The math doesn’t math.
And if Jones and the Giants play poorly, I think the reaction will be ugly and give no benefit of the doubt.
I think the coverage and criticism would be merciless and non-stop.
So sticking with a bad QB for 6 years and paying him a fortune won’t get them fired, but a rookie having ONE bad season would? Haha, Now THATS some logic right there. If only you (and in this scenario, Mara) were as impatient with the current QB…
You gotta @ least give the fan base some hope. A Jones-Lock-DeVito trio is the equivalent of giving the middle finger to the fans in an absurd attempt to somehow prop Jones up & make him something he isn't: a good QB.
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Schoen has more rope than Dabes.
If the Giants have poor season in 2024, do you think it's more likely the root cause is Daboll did a poor job coaching, or that the talent wasn't sufficient?
It could easily be both, but from my point of view, Schoen is the more secure. He keeps his mouth shut, and only talks when needed. He mostly toes the company line. And from what I've observed, he's mostly doing his 'master's' bidding (26 aside). Meanwhile Dabes is somewhat of a loose cannon (he says way too much ["We're NOT trading 26," uh, shut up and let your GM handle it]). He's had episodes with several coaches and players. His sideline antics are very unbecoming of a Giant. And if we have a poor record again this coming season, it could be spun easier as a HC-shortcoming, rather than on the GM (given the moves, so far)... though we'd have to let the season play out first, obviously.
- Daniel Jones contract was an unforced error. Schoen bid against himself.
- Mara may not be happy to lose the face of his franchise in Barkely. I think Barkley needed to move on.
- If the 2024 season is disaster and Jones gets another year on the contract due to injury, I could see Schoen being fired.
They were brought into to fix an organization that has been broken for 12-14 years. You are NOT fixing that in 2-3 years. The worst thing that happened to them was winning year one. It created unrealistic expectation by both the management and the fanbase.
I said it before.. if last year was this year and this year was last year the perspective would be TOTALLY different.