He could be the best in the class. If it’s him, worry about the rt later
Hey - I called him the sleeper two days ago....lol
He has been my guy all along. Best pure passer in this draft. I do not want Maye and I am skeptical about McCarthy. If Giants feel the same and Maye is there trade back with Minny for a haul and take Penix at 11 . That is my draft dream
If they get to the second tier of QBs and he is the best available,
Take him. Maybe it’s better that a lefty can see the right side rush coming.
Also, Neal is on a short leash so he may not be the RT by the time Penix is ready to play.
Penix may be the best thrower but may not be the best QB in the second tier..
Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?
Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?
Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
He did look overwhelmed vs Michigan. His timing was off and he was out of rhythm. Like all QBs you have to hope he can adjust to the speed of the NFL game.
stack would be an interesting get . I just hope we don’t reach on a qb just to take a qb. This team has so many needs, giving up to much just to pick a qb would be a mistake. I have no problem with them taking “the guy” and giving up picks, whoever they determine that to be though.
Also, if they feel like they can’t move up for “the guy”, I think they’d be stupid to not take a chance on Fields if the price is a 4/5. Cost controlled, young and athletic, maybe daboll unlocks something, maybe not, but at the price and salary it doesn’t hurt.
Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?
Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?
With his injury history (even though he had no current injuries at the combine) and the fact that our OL is not suited for a lefty QB there are questions if he would be good on the Giants.
Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?
Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?
So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?
I'm not here to say I have a favorite and I am willing to support whoever this staff picks, I'm just stating my concerns. But to answer this question...
Almost every other prospect has better mobility than Penix. So my concern it is hard to build a great offensive line and it takes time. Most teams have sped up their success by having QB with quicker feet to maneuver the pocket and mobility.
Dare, that is. But like others have mentioned, not at #6. Perhaps in a trade-down, or trade-up, back into the middle of the first round. And only after an uber-exhaustive medical background check by Schoen. I'm fine with taking that shot at a franchise dude.
I'd be wary of his injury history. Our problems with injuries to key
and Penix late first round(trade back into bottom of first round) than overdrafting JJ at 6. This lesser investment in Penix lets you move on more quickly if it doesn't work out and let's face it, unfortunately,history tells us most times it doesn't work out.
and Penix late first round(trade back into bottom of first round) than overdrafting JJ at 6. This lesser investment in Penix lets you move on more quickly if it doesn't work out and let's face it, unfortunately,history tells us most times it doesn't work out.
While I’m ok with QB at 6 I do like this as an option (was what I originally wanted when the CFB season ended). If Penix isn’t cutting it by end of year 2 then you are good to go and try again.
his being left-handed isn’t one of them. You don’t decide on a QB based on how effective your OT’s are, you find a new OT. This is such a ridiculous trope.
In watching Penix game videos I was not impressed.
He looks like a great college QB who played against poor defenses and had some of the best receivers.
If you watch Penix one of his staples is the back shoulder fade. It helps that he had Rome Odunze who won a ridiculous 75% of his contested catches.
Penix would throw the ball up and allow his players to win the reception. This does not play well in the NFL.
My main issue with Penix is similar to my criticisms of Maye. He does not feel pressure, he does not escape pressure well, and he is the worst of the top QBs with efficiency under pressure.
In reading about predictors of QB success the following are stressed. [This assumes that the qb has prerequisite skills.]
Age, build, reaction time, success under pressure, ability to extend plays and availability.
I just don't see him succeeding in todays NFL. He is a sitting duck back there in the pocket. Even the current version of "pocket passers" like Burrow, Cousins and Stafford have an elusiveness to them that I don't think Penix has. When you are a DE and pin your ears back to get to the spot 3-5 steps behind the LOS it makes the game much easier.
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I just don't see him succeeding in todays NFL. He is a sitting duck back there in the pocket. Even the current version of "pocket passers" like Burrow, Cousins and Stafford have an elusiveness to them that I don't think Penix has. When you are a DE and pin your ears back to get to the spot 3-5 steps behind the LOS it makes the game much easier.
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Penix is actually pretty good at maneuvering inside the pocket. He is able to buy time with some good footwork.
However, I do think it's a valid criticism/concern that he is not NFL-good as a mobile/off-script passer. Not having that in today's game is problematic.
Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?
Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?
If you are concerned about the OL not supporting Penix if you were the GM then draft more OL.
But I think Penix fits what the Giants want at QB better than McCarthy does.
Penix is an aggressive, downfield thrower. If you look at the Giants offense with Taylor, that is when they were at their best. Then they had interest in Winston and signed Lock - two guys who fit that gunslinger mold. Of course, that’s also what Josh Allen is known for and when know how Dabs/Schoen feel about him.
Also, you don’t draft a guy like Hyatt if you don’t plan on throwing deep. His scouting report was literally “one trick pony and that trick is running by guys on the go-ball”
So yes, I think Penix is very possibly but not at 6.
If your takeaway is he just throws the ball up than you watched a different player. He’s the best passer in the draft.
Penix is the best passer in the draft?
Define passer.
I guess it’s different for everyone but to me he’s the most accurate, beautiful deep ball, plenty of velocity, and seems to be able to hit runners in stride. There’s some who have stronger arms and some who might have more of the various arm angles and better off platform, but collectively I think he’s the best pure passer in the draft. Heading into the draft there seemed to be three players with plus attributes and he was one of them because of his passing. I don’t think that’s changed.
I'll go out on a limb and predict Penix doesn't do jack shit in the NFL. I don't see it with him at all, plus the injury history. No thanks. That said, none of us on BBI know jack shit including me, so if the Giants draft him, I will root for him.
if we can’t get our guy at the top of the draft, trade down, acquire picks, and then go back up to get Penix if it makes sense. i like that plan a lot.
I'll go out on a limb and predict Penix doesn't do jack shit in the NFL. I don't see it with him at all, plus the injury history. No thanks. That said, none of us on BBI know jack shit including me, so if the Giants draft him, I will root for him.
Hey - I called him the sleeper two days ago....lol
He has been my guy all along. Best pure passer in this draft. I do not want Maye and I am skeptical about McCarthy. If Giants feel the same and Maye is there trade back with Minny for a haul and take Penix at 11 . That is my draft dream
Also, Neal is on a short leash so he may not be the RT by the time Penix is ready to play.
Penix may be the best thrower but may not be the best QB in the second tier..
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?
Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
He did look overwhelmed vs Michigan. His timing was off and he was out of rhythm. Like all QBs you have to hope he can adjust to the speed of the NFL game.
Also, if they feel like they can’t move up for “the guy”, I think they’d be stupid to not take a chance on Fields if the price is a 4/5. Cost controlled, young and athletic, maybe daboll unlocks something, maybe not, but at the price and salary it doesn’t hurt.
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Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?
Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?
With his injury history (even though he had no current injuries at the combine) and the fact that our OL is not suited for a lefty QB there are questions if he would be good on the Giants.
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Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?
Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?
So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?
I'm not here to say I have a favorite and I am willing to support whoever this staff picks, I'm just stating my concerns. But to answer this question...
Almost every other prospect has better mobility than Penix. So my concern it is hard to build a great offensive line and it takes time. Most teams have sped up their success by having QB with quicker feet to maneuver the pocket and mobility.
While I’m ok with QB at 6 I do like this as an option (was what I originally wanted when the CFB season ended). If Penix isn’t cutting it by end of year 2 then you are good to go and try again.
He looks like a great college QB who played against poor defenses and had some of the best receivers.
If you watch Penix one of his staples is the back shoulder fade. It helps that he had Rome Odunze who won a ridiculous 75% of his contested catches.
Penix would throw the ball up and allow his players to win the reception. This does not play well in the NFL.
My main issue with Penix is similar to my criticisms of Maye. He does not feel pressure, he does not escape pressure well, and he is the worst of the top QBs with efficiency under pressure.
In reading about predictors of QB success the following are stressed. [This assumes that the qb has prerequisite skills.]
Age, build, reaction time, success under pressure, ability to extend plays and availability.
Penix does not check most of these boxes.
Penix is the best passer in the draft?
Define passer.
But I would support selecting Penix as a day two or three option. At least we would have a QB with arm talent.
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Penix is actually pretty good at maneuvering inside the pocket. He is able to buy time with some good footwork.
However, I do think it's a valid criticism/concern that he is not NFL-good as a mobile/off-script passer. Not having that in today's game is problematic.
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Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.
Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?
Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?
If you are concerned about the OL not supporting Penix if you were the GM then draft more OL.
Penix is an aggressive, downfield thrower. If you look at the Giants offense with Taylor, that is when they were at their best. Then they had interest in Winston and signed Lock - two guys who fit that gunslinger mold. Of course, that’s also what Josh Allen is known for and when know how Dabs/Schoen feel about him.
Also, you don’t draft a guy like Hyatt if you don’t plan on throwing deep. His scouting report was literally “one trick pony and that trick is running by guys on the go-ball”
So yes, I think Penix is very possibly but not at 6.
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If your takeaway is he just throws the ball up than you watched a different player. He’s the best passer in the draft.
Penix is the best passer in the draft?
Define passer.
I guess it’s different for everyone but to me he’s the most accurate, beautiful deep ball, plenty of velocity, and seems to be able to hit runners in stride. There’s some who have stronger arms and some who might have more of the various arm angles and better off platform, but collectively I think he’s the best pure passer in the draft. Heading into the draft there seemed to be three players with plus attributes and he was one of them because of his passing. I don’t think that’s changed.
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