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Would the Giants dare to draft Penix

Massgman : 3/16/2024 9:30 am
……..a left handed QB ……knowing our right tackle will get him killed


I think he’s the sleeper.  
Ron Johnson : 3/16/2024 9:36 am : link
He could be the best in the class. If it’s him, worry about the rt later
Not at 6 for me  
GFAN52 : 3/16/2024 9:38 am : link
With his injury past and he’s age of 24.
Would they dare  
56goat : 3/16/2024 9:41 am : link
After some of the draft picks I have seen over the years, of course dahlin'.
RE: I think he’s the sleeper.  
averagejoe : 3/16/2024 9:47 am : link
In comment 16434710 Ron Johnson said:
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He could be the best in the class. If it’s him, worry about the rt later


Hey - I called him the sleeper two days ago....lol

He has been my guy all along. Best pure passer in this draft. I do not want Maye and I am skeptical about McCarthy. If Giants feel the same and Maye is there trade back with Minny for a haul and take Penix at 11 . That is my draft dream
If they get to the second tier of QBs and he is the best available,  
Ivan15 : 3/16/2024 9:49 am : link
Take him. Maybe it’s better that a lefty can see the right side rush coming.
Also, Neal is on a short leash so he may not be the RT by the time Penix is ready to play.

Penix may be the best thrower but may not be the best QB in the second tier..
Penix works for me  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2024 9:51 am : link
he plays like a pro. The health is a question mark but I’m 100% fine with that risk.
And our RT should have no bearing on this decision  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2024 9:53 am : link
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I have concerns  
SteelGiant : 3/16/2024 9:58 am : link
Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.

Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.
I'd like Penix  
Capt. Don : 3/16/2024 10:05 am : link
Especially if it were possible with a trade down.
RE: I have concerns  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/16/2024 10:05 am : link
In comment 16434758 SteelGiant said:
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Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.

Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.


The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?

Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?
RE: I have concerns  
averagejoe : 3/16/2024 10:05 am : link
In comment 16434758 SteelGiant said:
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Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.

Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.


He did look overwhelmed vs Michigan. His timing was off and he was out of rhythm. Like all QBs you have to hope he can adjust to the speed of the NFL game.
Odunze and Penix  
Collins#5 : 3/16/2024 10:06 am : link
stack would be an interesting get . I just hope we don’t reach on a qb just to take a qb. This team has so many needs, giving up to much just to pick a qb would be a mistake. I have no problem with them taking “the guy” and giving up picks, whoever they determine that to be though.

Also, if they feel like they can’t move up for “the guy”, I think they’d be stupid to not take a chance on Fields if the price is a 4/5. Cost controlled, young and athletic, maybe daboll unlocks something, maybe not, but at the price and salary it doesn’t hurt.
Limited viewing  
Giantimistic : 3/16/2024 10:09 am : link
I like Penix.
RE: RE: I have concerns  
Mike in NY : 3/16/2024 10:12 am : link
In comment 16434773 Mdgiantsfan said:
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Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.

Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.



The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?

Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?


With his injury history (even though he had no current injuries at the combine) and the fact that our OL is not suited for a lefty QB there are questions if he would be good on the Giants.
RE: RE: I have concerns  
SteelGiant : 3/16/2024 10:13 am : link
In comment 16434773 Mdgiantsfan said:
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In comment 16434758 SteelGiant said:


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Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.

Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.



The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?

Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?


So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?

I'm not here to say I have a favorite and I am willing to support whoever this staff picks, I'm just stating my concerns. But to answer this question...

Almost every other prospect has better mobility than Penix. So my concern it is hard to build a great offensive line and it takes time. Most teams have sped up their success by having QB with quicker feet to maneuver the pocket and mobility.
Yes  
Spider43 : 3/16/2024 10:22 am : link
Dare, that is. But like others have mentioned, not at #6. Perhaps in a trade-down, or trade-up, back into the middle of the first round. And only after an uber-exhaustive medical background check by Schoen. I'm fine with taking that shot at a franchise dude.
I'd be wary of his injury history. Our problems with injuries to key  
Ira : 3/16/2024 10:27 am : link
players should have taught us a lesson.
I'd much rather have Odunze at 6  
Chris L. : 3/16/2024 10:29 am : link
and Penix late first round(trade back into bottom of first round) than overdrafting JJ at 6. This lesser investment in Penix lets you move on more quickly if it doesn't work out and let's face it, unfortunately,history tells us most times it doesn't work out.
Chris L……I totally agree and  
Massgman : 3/16/2024 10:35 am : link
would enjoy the college connection of Penix to Ozunze
I’d sign for him right now in the second round.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/16/2024 10:37 am : link
The problem is there are too many QB hungry teams and he won’t last to the Giants second round pick.
RE: I'd much rather have Odunze at 6  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2024 10:38 am : link
In comment 16434821 Chris L. said:
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and Penix late first round(trade back into bottom of first round) than overdrafting JJ at 6. This lesser investment in Penix lets you move on more quickly if it doesn't work out and let's face it, unfortunately,history tells us most times it doesn't work out.


While I’m ok with QB at 6 I do like this as an option (was what I originally wanted when the CFB season ended). If Penix isn’t cutting it by end of year 2 then you are good to go and try again.
I think Daboll  
Andy in Boston : 3/16/2024 11:11 am : link
Prefers mobile QB’s
There are any number of reasons not to draft Penix,  
Section331 : 3/16/2024 11:16 am : link
his being left-handed isn’t one of them. You don’t decide on a QB based on how effective your OT’s are, you find a new OT. This is such a ridiculous trope.
Penix  
Archer : 3/16/2024 11:43 am : link
In watching Penix game videos I was not impressed.

He looks like a great college QB who played against poor defenses and had some of the best receivers.

If you watch Penix one of his staples is the back shoulder fade. It helps that he had Rome Odunze who won a ridiculous 75% of his contested catches.

Penix would throw the ball up and allow his players to win the reception. This does not play well in the NFL.

My main issue with Penix is similar to my criticisms of Maye. He does not feel pressure, he does not escape pressure well, and he is the worst of the top QBs with efficiency under pressure.

In reading about predictors of QB success the following are stressed. [This assumes that the qb has prerequisite skills.]

Age, build, reaction time, success under pressure, ability to extend plays and availability.

Penix does not check most of these boxes.


That is not true  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2024 11:47 am : link
If your takeaway is he just throws the ball up than you watched a different player. He’s the best passer in the draft.
RE: That is not true  
bw in dc : 3/16/2024 11:50 am : link
In comment 16434910 UConn4523 said:
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If your takeaway is he just throws the ball up than you watched a different player. He’s the best passer in the draft.


Penix is the best passer in the draft?

Define passer.
I would rather have Nix...  
bw in dc : 3/16/2024 11:52 am : link
if we fail to get Daniels, CW, or Maye.

But I would support selecting Penix as a day two or three option. At least we would have a QB with arm talent.
Yes genius plan  
blueblood : 3/16/2024 11:56 am : link
replace oft injured QB with oft injured QB.
I'd love it  
Go Terps : 3/16/2024 11:59 am : link
Not gonna happen though.
Watching his games  
BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit : 3/16/2024 12:18 pm : link
I just don't see him succeeding in todays NFL. He is a sitting duck back there in the pocket. Even the current version of "pocket passers" like Burrow, Cousins and Stafford have an elusiveness to them that I don't think Penix has. When you are a DE and pin your ears back to get to the spot 3-5 steps behind the LOS it makes the game much easier.
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Penix will be the pick  
Gmen703 : 3/16/2024 12:22 pm : link
And most of BBI will have a meltdown. Penix will go on to be the face of the franchise for many years to come having tremendous playoff success.


- Pho 95's Fortune Cookie
Penix is not a statue  
Go Terps : 3/16/2024 12:30 pm : link
I don't know where that comes from.
RE: Watching his games  
bw in dc : 3/16/2024 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16434961 BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit said:
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I just don't see him succeeding in todays NFL. He is a sitting duck back there in the pocket. Even the current version of "pocket passers" like Burrow, Cousins and Stafford have an elusiveness to them that I don't think Penix has. When you are a DE and pin your ears back to get to the spot 3-5 steps behind the LOS it makes the game much easier.
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Penix is actually pretty good at maneuvering inside the pocket. He is able to buy time with some good footwork.

However, I do think it's a valid criticism/concern that he is not NFL-good as a mobile/off-script passer. Not having that in today's game is problematic.

RE: RE: I have concerns  
giantstock : 3/16/2024 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16434773 Mdgiantsfan said:
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Watching penix struggle facing the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and NOT an actual NFL defense, offensive line failed to protect him, 24 years old, and injury history.

Not sure if putting him on a team that faces NFL teams every week and has a struggling offensive line is the best idea.



The injury history is a concern. But you'd not draft a good QB because your line isn't great? So is there a better QB option that can better handle a poor line that we should consider?

Lastly, this whole age thing. QB can play into their 40s, so getting a mature QB is a bad thing? DJ was 21(?) when we drafted him so I'm not sure age is a huge factor. Eli was what 23?


If you are concerned about the OL not supporting Penix if you were the GM then draft more OL.
Pure speculation  
Breeze_94 : 3/16/2024 1:18 pm : link
But I think Penix fits what the Giants want at QB better than McCarthy does.

Penix is an aggressive, downfield thrower. If you look at the Giants offense with Taylor, that is when they were at their best. Then they had interest in Winston and signed Lock - two guys who fit that gunslinger mold. Of course, that’s also what Josh Allen is known for and when know how Dabs/Schoen feel about him.

Also, you don’t draft a guy like Hyatt if you don’t plan on throwing deep. His scouting report was literally “one trick pony and that trick is running by guys on the go-ball”

So yes, I think Penix is very possibly but not at 6.
RE: RE: That is not true  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2024 1:23 pm : link
In comment 16434913 bw in dc said:
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If your takeaway is he just throws the ball up than you watched a different player. He’s the best passer in the draft.



Penix is the best passer in the draft?

Define passer.


I guess it’s different for everyone but to me he’s the most accurate, beautiful deep ball, plenty of velocity, and seems to be able to hit runners in stride. There’s some who have stronger arms and some who might have more of the various arm angles and better off platform, but collectively I think he’s the best pure passer in the draft. Heading into the draft there seemed to be three players with plus attributes and he was one of them because of his passing. I don’t think that’s changed.
I would want the Giants to take Nix before Penix  
PatersonPlank : 3/16/2024 1:26 pm : link
If we don't get the top 4, I have no issue taking a WR "IF" we can get back into the 2st and get Nix
Hmmm  
Johnny5 : 3/16/2024 4:18 pm : link
I'll go out on a limb and predict Penix doesn't do jack shit in the NFL. I don't see it with him at all, plus the injury history. No thanks. That said, none of us on BBI know jack shit including me, so if the Giants draft him, I will root for him.
solid plan B  
The Jake : 3/16/2024 4:25 pm : link
if we can’t get our guy at the top of the draft, trade down, acquire picks, and then go back up to get Penix if it makes sense. i like that plan a lot.
RE: Hmmm  
Ron Johnson : 3/16/2024 5:22 pm : link
In comment 16435344 Johnny5 said:
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I'll go out on a limb and predict Penix doesn't do jack shit in the NFL. I don't see it with him at all, plus the injury history. No thanks. That said, none of us on BBI know jack shit including me, so if the Giants draft him, I will root for him.



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