If you have read my comments on recent posts, I have been pretty adamant the giants were going QB because we couldn't possibly go into the season with the QB room that we have. I thought this for a few reason:
Business Side: There is literally nothing exciting about this offense. Running it back with Jones or starting Lock provides zero excitement from the fanbase. Thus, you are looking at a ton of empty seats and very minimal Jersey sales next year (no one is buying Jones jersey's any longer).
Team Side: This is literally year 6 of the same thing. I have ever seen a team give a single player as much leash as Daniel Jones in my life. Other teams have all admitted their mistakes on crap qbs and moved on much faster (see the off season moves this year). Not only is he not going to lift this team up and get them to a Superbowl, has not even a top 25 starter in my opinion.
Job Security: Drafting a qb gives this staff a little more leeway in another bad season. Running it back with Jones virtually guarantees another top 10 draft pick and potentially a new coach/GM next year.
Thus, I have assumed that in no way would we pass on a QB in round 1, even if it is "qb 4". The narrative of taking the fourth best QB at 6 is not taking into account that all four of these guys are better prospects (IMO) than Kyler Murray who went number 1 overall. But given the latest news regarding the Vikings potentially leap frogging us, I am beginning to think that we may not even have a shot at the top 4. In addition to this, QB needy teams such as the Broncos & Raiders may both take QBs potentially having 6 or more going in round 1.
So where does that leave us? Punt QB to next year and assume this staff still has jobs? Take a stud WR and have no QB that can drive the ball down field to them?
Next years QB class, outside of Sanders, is looking like the 2022 QB class...trash.
It is looking more and more like we may truly be in QB hell....and if we don't manage to get a top prospect this year, we may be even further away from being competitive any time soon.
So, for all you fans that think we should go WR, what's the long term plan here? And please don't tell me Rattler, who I believe is a day 3 prospect.
Looking forward to some fruitful debate.
Discussion ongoing - ( New Window )
Sanders? Ehhh maybe
The PSU kid? Nope
ND kid Lenoard? nope
Get the illusive #1 WR....hopefully raising the #2s and #3s WR.
And rely on QB whisperer Daboll.
btw this is a very real possibility. this is from jeff howe today reacting to vikings trade:
Teams don’t just blindly trade up into arbitrary spots in the draft order without a plan.
The Vikings clearly have one. We’ll just have to wait to see where they hope to land.
On Friday, the Vikings sent a couple of second-rounders to the Houston Texans as part of a package for the No. 23 pick in April. Now, the Vikings have Nos. 11 and 23 in the opening round.
The Vikings lost quarterback Kirk Cousins to the Atlanta Falcons in free agency, and they were outbid in part because they were wary about making a long-term commitment to a quarterback who will turn 36 before the season.
To put it another way, the Vikings were already hoping to get younger at quarterback, and now they have no choice.
So now the Vikings have the assets to move up even higher, but where’s the sweet spot? Just a guess, but the Commanders (No. 2) and the New England Patriots (No. 3) probably won’t want to move all the way back to No. 11, miss a quarterback and likely be out of the mix for a top-tier wide receiver and left tackle. Or at least, the Vikings are really, really going to have to convince one of those teams with a decisively strong trade offer.
However, there might be a more obvious spot at No. 4, where the Arizona Cardinals have been open for business. And remember the 2023 draft, when the Cardinals traded No. 3 to the Texans for a package that included No. 12 and a first-rounder in 2024.
The Cardinals’ new regime of general manager Monti Ossenfort and coach Jonathan Gannon has committed to quarterback Kyler Murray. And during their year on the job, they’ve added physical, smart players who will make the Cardinals a tough out even as they rebuild. It’s similar to the way Ossenfort’s former Patriots co-worker, Texans general manager Nick Caserio, rounded out that roster before a more aggressive approach in 2023.
Point being, the Cardinals may welcome another trade down the board to accumulate more first-rounders as they attempt to assemble difference-makers around Murray.
The fourth pick may not help the Vikings land USC’s Caleb Williams, North Carolina’s Drake Maye or LSU’s Jayden Daniels. But if they’re high enough on Michigan’s J.J. McCarthy, the Vikings might have just taken a necessary step toward their long-term solution at QB.
Howe: What I’m hearing on QB ‘battles’: Daniel Jones vs. Drew Lock, Geno Smith vs. Sam Howell - ( New Window )
Your commitment to this gag is admirable!
Unless they can't find a mutual trade partner, takes two to trade.
2-- Trade down for Nix.
3-- Get Fields. Then you have the #1 WR with teh 1st pick.
Tommy was always looking deep, which is why he was sacked so much. But you have to give him credit for wanting to push the ball downfield. Jones looked afraid to make a mistake.
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Tommy was always looking deep, which is why he was sacked so much. But you have to give him credit for wanting to push the ball downfield. Jones looked afraid to make a mistake.
They didn't sign Drew Lock to back up DeVito :)
Herbert! Hindsight is easy brother. Geez why didn't we just draft Mahomes??
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it does not matter what else you have. Trade up to get one now.
Who will protect that qb? Who will catch those passes? What qb in this draft would be successful playing behind the Giants oline?
Have you lived under a rock? They signed four lineman
I think Caleb Williams is highest probability to bust at the NFL level, which means he will probably fall to a draft spot the Giants have (6, or they move up to 3 or 4) but lose Daniels and Maye - and given the organization's track record, they are probably stupid enough to take Williams.
However they rate the QBs they have to a guy they like
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it does not matter what else you have. Trade up to get one now.
I think Caleb Williams is highest probability to bust at the NFL level, which means he will probably fall to a draft spot the Giants have (6, or they move up to 3 or 4) but lose Daniels and Maye - and given the organization's track record, they are probably stupid enough to take Williams.
Williams has the highest probability to succeed in the NFL since he is widely regarded as the most talented with the best traits.
The Giants are stuck with DJ as the starter. He is full go to start the season and healthy the whole season. He lights it up by throwing to his new wr receiver group.
A miracle unfolds and we go far in the playoffs. DJ wins comeback player of the year. All his detractors are forced to eat crow and declare a new found allegiance to Daniel Jones. This scenario is what I came up with after one or too many cocktails last night.
They other day, someone asked if Schoen should trade #6 for 11 and 23. I didn't like it. Now, I am beginning to think otherwise. If none of the remaining QBs at #6 are who they think is what they want then fleece the Vikes and grab either Nix or Penix at 11 and a CB or ER at 23 (or vice versa). Bot sure 11 and 23 is enough to move to 6...might need a sweetener - 3rd rnd or next years 2nd.
No matter what, Nix or Penix would be better than Jones.
They other day, someone asked if Schoen should trade #6 for 11 and 23. I didn't like it. Now, I am beginning to think otherwise. If none of the remaining QBs at #6 are who they think is what they want then fleece the Vikes and grab either Nix or Penix at 11 and a CB or ER at 23 (or vice versa). Bot sure 11 and 23 is enough to move to 6...might need a sweetener - 3rd rnd or next years 2nd.
No matter what, Nix or Penix would be better than Jones.
Even Devito and Lock are better than Jones. If this org roles Jones out next, I won’t be watching.
Nothing else matters.
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are not getting the Cardinals MHJ, Odunze or Nabers - which is what they have been looking for for Murray.
They other day, someone asked if Schoen should trade #6 for 11 and 23. I didn't like it. Now, I am beginning to think otherwise. If none of the remaining QBs at #6 are who they think is what they want then fleece the Vikes and grab either Nix or Penix at 11 and a CB or ER at 23 (or vice versa). Bot sure 11 and 23 is enough to move to 6...might need a sweetener - 3rd rnd or next years 2nd.
No matter what, Nix or Penix would be better than Jones.
Even Devito and Lock are better than Jones. If this org roles Jones out next, I won’t be watching.
Promise. We won’t miss you