At 11 and 23 it's hard to predict who will be available, but some combinations I could live with are Brockers and Nix or (if that's too late for Nix) Nix and Brian Thomas. If the Giants feel comfortable with Penix's durability, I could see some combination with him and a receiver or Brockers as well. Quinyon Mitchell and Nate Wiggins are a couple of speedy CB's with good length that I like, but not sure where they project.
RE: I'm not as sold on Nabers and Odunze as others
At 11 and 23 it's hard to predict who will be available, but some combinations I could live with are Brockers and Nix or (if that's too late for Nix) Nix and Brian Thomas. If the Giants feel comfortable with Penix's durability, I could see some combination with him and a receiver or Brockers as well. Quinyon Mitchell and Nate Wiggins are a couple of speedy CB's with good length that I like, but not sure where they project.
At 6 you are at least having a better shot at top position player. Why play Russian roulette in hopes that you snag something lower at 11.
At 11 and 23 it's hard to predict who will be available, but some combinations I could live with are Brockers and Nix or (if that's too late for Nix) Nix and Brian Thomas. If the Giants feel comfortable with Penix's durability, I could see some combination with him and a receiver or Brockers as well. Quinyon Mitchell and Nate Wiggins are a couple of speedy CB's with good length that I like, but not sure where they project.
Thats kind of where I am going here...also dont forget most of the top 10 picks will be O,so there will be an excellent D player on the board at 11
If 4 QBs go before the Giants and giants don’t go QB
Having number 6 means you may really be getting the top 1 or 2 players in the whole draft—if the qbs were over drafted which happens every year.
I think this is the glass half full viewpoint and I fully agree. I have no idea how the Giants have these QB’s ranked, but if McCarthy is 4 on their board and there is a large enough gap in their scoring between him and let’s say Maye, just stay at 6 and take BPA. You can’t force a pick on a QB. Especially if you are trading valuable resources to do so. Didn’t we learn this lesson in 2019? And that didn’t even involve trading up.
The Vikings traded 2 2nds for pick 23 plus a bit more,
It's not an automatic no... It puts JJ, Penix, and Nix into the mix (at 11, not 23, silly). And there are still enough good receivers, O-linemen, and corners who'd be available at 23. I'd consider it... but missing out on a franchise altering WR1 would be very tough.
I'd consider it. Getting a qb and a wr is tempting - maybe Nix and
In addition to the 4 QBs:
Williams
Daniels
Maye
McCarthy
(all clearly or arguably worth a top 6 pick)
There are:
MHJ
Odunze
Nabers
Alt
Turner
(all clearly or arguably worth picking 3rd to 9th)
Seems like a decent fall off after Alt/Turner. I don't see the Giants taking Turner with the Burns acquisition. Pretty unlikely taking Alt with all the high draft picks already on the OL, but maybe outside the QBs and MHJ he might be a clear BPA.
Very likely none of those I've listed would be available at 11th overall.
That's not enough. They need an impact player and need to be overpaid significantly to move off it this year.
The Giants just need to continue to go hard to the paint selling QB. I believe two things:
1) They don't really have interest in drafting a QB this year.
2) They want a team to trade up in front of them at 4 or 5 to take a QB, leaving an extra non-QB of choice for them to choose from. Imagine 4 of the 1st 5 picks are QBs and the Giants have their pick of the litter (minus MHJ) at 6. Amazing, and pretty unprecedented. That #6 pick acts as a #2 or #3 after considering the QB reach mania going on.
It's great to see all the buy in to the QB rumors. All the mocks and analysts who are penciling in QB for the Giants. Keep at it gents! Sell sell sell.
Minny at 11, Denver at 12, and Vegas at 13, all likely primed looking for that move up to get a QB. All should be very desperate, especially the first two teams. The Jets might even be players for a move up to get a QB.
That's not enough. They need an impact player and need to be overpaid significantly to move off it this year.
The Giants just need to continue to go hard to the paint selling QB. I believe two things:
1) They don't really have interest in drafting a QB this year.
2) They want a team to trade up in front of them at 4 or 5 to take a QB, leaving an extra non-QB of choice for them to choose from. Imagine 4 of the 1st 5 picks are QBs and the Giants have their pick of the litter (minus MHJ) at 6. Amazing, and pretty unprecedented. That #6 pick acts as a #2 or #3 after considering the QB reach mania going on.
It's great to see all the buy in to the QB rumors. All the mocks and analysts who are penciling in QB for the Giants. Keep at it gents! Sell sell sell.
Minny at 11, Denver at 12, and Vegas at 13, all likely primed looking for that move up to get a QB. All should be very desperate, especially the first two teams. The Jets might even be players for a move up to get a QB.
After all....it is LYING season
That wonderful time of year!!!
It would be 11 and 23, plus maybe next years 2nd for 6. They are trading up for a QB, throw the trade value charts away
I think this is on the money. They will need to outbid other teams if there is a QB they like still on the board at 6. 11 + 23 + future 2nd is an overpay, and the Giants would seriously have to consider it.
It would be 11 and 23, plus maybe next years 2nd for 6. They are trading up for a QB, throw the trade value charts away
I think this is on the money. They will need to outbid other teams if there is a QB they like still on the board at 6. 11 + 23 + future 2nd is an overpay, and the Giants would seriously have to consider it.
I could see us leveraging Denver and another team to get Minn to pony up next yrs 2nd.
We need to find a superstar WR. I think there are 3 in this draft. There are other good Wrs in this draft but we want a stud. When you have a chance at a game breaker you take it.
If there are teams hankering to trade up to #6 from 11, 12, or 13, it is most likely for a QB or a WR, two things the Giants are in the market for, so for a trade to happen it would mean that the Giants have distinctly different evaluations on the available prospects than their trading partner.
That's not something that you typically see. Usually it's a case of one team wanting a highly regarded prospect that the other team isn't in need of. It would be weird for the Giants to trade down with Minnesota and see Minny taking McCarthy at #6 and the Giants taking Nix at #11.
All that being said, the thing about this draft (and where I agree with AROCK), is that if you take the QBs out of the equation, I think it's a YMMV set of prospects once you get past MHJ and maybe Brockers. Nabers and Odunze are excellent, first round value prospects, but I'm not feeling like they deserve separation from the likes of Turner, Verse, Mitchell, Wiggins, Arnold, and maybe Murphy on defense and Alt, Fashanu, Fuaga, Fautanu, and maybe Thomas on offense (and you already know how I feel about Brockers). So if you have six or eight prospects all with the same grade, why not trade down those five or six spots and pick up another first round pick?
I've been all-in on adding to our passing game with either a QB, WR, or Brockers, but the idea of adding a CB with Pro Bowl potential to a defense that just added Brian Burns, could be the cherry on top that pushes our defense into elite territory (2024's version of elite, that is).
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[quote] If there are teams hankering to trade up to #6 from 11, 12, or 13, it is most likely for a QB or a WR, two things the Giants are in the market for, so for a trade to happen it would mean that the Giants have distinctly different evaluations on the available prospects than their trading partner.
That's not something that you typically see. Usually it's a case of one team wanting a highly regarded prospect that the other team isn't in need of. It would be weird for the Giants to trade down with Minnesota and see Minny taking McCarthy at #6 and the Giants taking Nix at #11.
All that being said, the thing about this draft (and where I agree with AROCK), is that if you take the QBs out of the equation, I think it's a YMMV set of prospects once you get past MHJ and maybe Brockers. Nabers and Odunze are excellent, first round value prospects, but I'm not feeling like they deserve separation from the likes of Turner, Verse, Mitchell, Wiggins, Arnold, and maybe Murphy on defense and Alt, Fashanu, Fuaga, Fautanu, and maybe Thomas on offense (and you already know how I feel about Brockers). So if you have six or eight prospects all with the same grade, why not trade down those five or six spots and pick up another first round pick?
I've been all-in on adding to our passing game with either a QB, WR, or Brockers, but the idea of adding a CB with Pro Bowl potential to a defense that just added Brian Burns, could be the cherry on top that pushes our defense into elite territory (2024's version of elite, that
Here's to an open mind
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In 2018 the Bills moved from 12 to 7.
The Bills gave up 12, 53 & 56
They received 7 & 255
They aren’t equal. This trade makes no sense
At 6 you are at least having a better shot at top position player. Why play Russian roulette in hopes that you snag something lower at 11.
Thats kind of where I am going here...also dont forget most of the top 10 picks will be O,so there will be an excellent D player on the board at 11
I think this is the glass half full viewpoint and I fully agree. I have no idea how the Giants have these QB’s ranked, but if McCarthy is 4 on their board and there is a large enough gap in their scoring between him and let’s say Maye, just stay at 6 and take BPA. You can’t force a pick on a QB. Especially if you are trading valuable resources to do so. Didn’t we learn this lesson in 2019? And that didn’t even involve trading up.
Williams
Daniels
Maye
McCarthy
(all clearly or arguably worth a top 6 pick)
There are:
MHJ
Odunze
Nabers
Alt
Turner
(all clearly or arguably worth picking 3rd to 9th)
Seems like a decent fall off after Alt/Turner. I don't see the Giants taking Turner with the Burns acquisition. Pretty unlikely taking Alt with all the high draft picks already on the OL, but maybe outside the QBs and MHJ he might be a clear BPA.
Very likely none of those I've listed would be available at 11th overall.
The Giants just need to continue to go hard to the paint selling QB. I believe two things:
1) They don't really have interest in drafting a QB this year.
2) They want a team to trade up in front of them at 4 or 5 to take a QB, leaving an extra non-QB of choice for them to choose from. Imagine 4 of the 1st 5 picks are QBs and the Giants have their pick of the litter (minus MHJ) at 6. Amazing, and pretty unprecedented. That #6 pick acts as a #2 or #3 after considering the QB reach mania going on.
It's great to see all the buy in to the QB rumors. All the mocks and analysts who are penciling in QB for the Giants. Keep at it gents! Sell sell sell.
Minny at 11, Denver at 12, and Vegas at 13, all likely primed looking for that move up to get a QB. All should be very desperate, especially the first two teams. The Jets might even be players for a move up to get a QB.
The Giants just need to continue to go hard to the paint selling QB. I believe two things:
1) They don't really have interest in drafting a QB this year.
2) They want a team to trade up in front of them at 4 or 5 to take a QB, leaving an extra non-QB of choice for them to choose from. Imagine 4 of the 1st 5 picks are QBs and the Giants have their pick of the litter (minus MHJ) at 6. Amazing, and pretty unprecedented. That #6 pick acts as a #2 or #3 after considering the QB reach mania going on.
It's great to see all the buy in to the QB rumors. All the mocks and analysts who are penciling in QB for the Giants. Keep at it gents! Sell sell sell.
Minny at 11, Denver at 12, and Vegas at 13, all likely primed looking for that move up to get a QB. All should be very desperate, especially the first two teams. The Jets might even be players for a move up to get a QB.
After all....it is LYING season
That wonderful time of year!!!
I think this is on the money. They will need to outbid other teams if there is a QB they like still on the board at 6. 11 + 23 + future 2nd is an overpay, and the Giants would seriously have to consider it.
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It would be 11 and 23, plus maybe next years 2nd for 6. They are trading up for a QB, throw the trade value charts away
I think this is on the money. They will need to outbid other teams if there is a QB they like still on the board at 6. 11 + 23 + future 2nd is an overpay, and the Giants would seriously have to consider it.
I could see us leveraging Denver and another team to get Minn to pony up next yrs 2nd.
Unless there are 4 QBs off the board, and somehow the Giants don't like the remaining WR...
That's not something that you typically see. Usually it's a case of one team wanting a highly regarded prospect that the other team isn't in need of. It would be weird for the Giants to trade down with Minnesota and see Minny taking McCarthy at #6 and the Giants taking Nix at #11.
All that being said, the thing about this draft (and where I agree with AROCK), is that if you take the QBs out of the equation, I think it's a YMMV set of prospects once you get past MHJ and maybe Brockers. Nabers and Odunze are excellent, first round value prospects, but I'm not feeling like they deserve separation from the likes of Turner, Verse, Mitchell, Wiggins, Arnold, and maybe Murphy on defense and Alt, Fashanu, Fuaga, Fautanu, and maybe Thomas on offense (and you already know how I feel about Brockers). So if you have six or eight prospects all with the same grade, why not trade down those five or six spots and pick up another first round pick?
I've been all-in on adding to our passing game with either a QB, WR, or Brockers, but the idea of adding a CB with Pro Bowl potential to a defense that just added Brian Burns, could be the cherry on top that pushes our defense into elite territory (2024's version of elite, that is).
[quote] If there are teams hankering to trade up to #6 from 11, 12, or 13, it is most likely for a QB or a WR, two things the Giants are in the market for, so for a trade to happen it would mean that the Giants have distinctly different evaluations on the available prospects than their trading partner.
That's not something that you typically see. Usually it's a case of one team wanting a highly regarded prospect that the other team isn't in need of. It would be weird for the Giants to trade down with Minnesota and see Minny taking McCarthy at #6 and the Giants taking Nix at #11.
All that being said, the thing about this draft (and where I agree with AROCK), is that if you take the QBs out of the equation, I think it's a YMMV set of prospects once you get past MHJ and maybe Brockers. Nabers and Odunze are excellent, first round value prospects, but I'm not feeling like they deserve separation from the likes of Turner, Verse, Mitchell, Wiggins, Arnold, and maybe Murphy on defense and Alt, Fashanu, Fuaga, Fautanu, and maybe Thomas on offense (and you already know how I feel about Brockers). So if you have six or eight prospects all with the same grade, why not trade down those five or six spots and pick up another first round pick?
I've been all-in on adding to our passing game with either a QB, WR, or Brockers, but the idea of adding a CB with Pro Bowl potential to a defense that just added Brian Burns, could be the cherry on top that pushes our defense into elite territory (2024's version of elite, that
Here's to an open mind
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