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Would you trade our 6,47

AROCK1000 : 3/16/2024 6:30 pm
For Minnesota's 11 and 23?
What would you do, realistically speaking, with those 2 picks?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/16/2024 6:31 pm : link
No.
No  
charlito : 3/16/2024 6:33 pm : link
You don't pass on Odunze.
 
ryanmkeane : 3/16/2024 6:33 pm : link
Absolutely not
No  
Toth029 : 3/16/2024 6:33 pm : link
Lesser value.
Odonze is my pick too  
AROCK1000 : 3/16/2024 6:36 pm : link
At 6...but the trade chart shows the 2 sides are equal..
If the Vikings are trying to move up  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2024 6:43 pm : link
5 spots from outside the top 10 to inside the top 10 we definitely shouldn't be giving up a 2nd round pick as well.

In 2018 the Bills moved from 12 to 7.

The Bills gave up 12, 53 & 56
They received 7 & 255
Wtf for  
JonC : 3/16/2024 6:44 pm : link
Quality over quantity.
RE: Odonze is my pick too  
RCPhoenix : 3/16/2024 6:51 pm : link
In comment 16435520 AROCK1000 said:
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At 6...but the trade chart shows the 2 sides are equal..


They aren’t equal. This trade makes no sense
I'm not as sold on Nabers and Odunze as others  
Milton : 3/16/2024 6:54 pm : link
At 11 and 23 it's hard to predict who will be available, but some combinations I could live with are Brockers and Nix or (if that's too late for Nix) Nix and Brian Thomas. If the Giants feel comfortable with Penix's durability, I could see some combination with him and a receiver or Brockers as well. Quinyon Mitchell and Nate Wiggins are a couple of speedy CB's with good length that I like, but not sure where they project.
RE: I'm not as sold on Nabers and Odunze as others  
GFAN52 : 3/16/2024 6:59 pm : link
In comment 16435580 Milton said:
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At 11 and 23 it's hard to predict who will be available, but some combinations I could live with are Brockers and Nix or (if that's too late for Nix) Nix and Brian Thomas. If the Giants feel comfortable with Penix's durability, I could see some combination with him and a receiver or Brockers as well. Quinyon Mitchell and Nate Wiggins are a couple of speedy CB's with good length that I like, but not sure where they project.


At 6 you are at least having a better shot at top position player. Why play Russian roulette in hopes that you snag something lower at 11.
Milton  
AROCK1000 : 3/16/2024 7:02 pm : link
In comment 16435580 Milton said:
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At 11 and 23 it's hard to predict who will be available, but some combinations I could live with are Brockers and Nix or (if that's too late for Nix) Nix and Brian Thomas. If the Giants feel comfortable with Penix's durability, I could see some combination with him and a receiver or Brockers as well. Quinyon Mitchell and Nate Wiggins are a couple of speedy CB's with good length that I like, but not sure where they project.

Thats kind of where I am going here...also dont forget most of the top 10 picks will be O,so there will be an excellent D player on the board at 11
If 4 QBs go before the Giants and giants don’t go QB  
Giantimistic : 3/16/2024 7:03 pm : link
Having number 6 means you may really be getting the top 1 or 2 players in the whole draft—if the qbs were over drafted which happens every year.
RE: If 4 QBs go before the Giants and giants don’t go QB  
eric2425ny : 3/16/2024 7:12 pm : link
In comment 16435617 Giantimistic said:
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Having number 6 means you may really be getting the top 1 or 2 players in the whole draft—if the qbs were over drafted which happens every year.


I think this is the glass half full viewpoint and I fully agree. I have no idea how the Giants have these QB’s ranked, but if McCarthy is 4 on their board and there is a large enough gap in their scoring between him and let’s say Maye, just stay at 6 and take BPA. You can’t force a pick on a QB. Especially if you are trading valuable resources to do so. Didn’t we learn this lesson in 2019? And that didn’t even involve trading up.
The Vikings traded 2 2nds for pick 23 plus a bit more,  
BleedBlue46 : 3/16/2024 7:18 pm : link
So no way.
Hmm  
Spider43 : 3/16/2024 7:20 pm : link
It's not an automatic no... It puts JJ, Penix, and Nix into the mix (at 11, not 23, silly). And there are still enough good receivers, O-linemen, and corners who'd be available at 23. I'd consider it... but missing out on a franchise altering WR1 would be very tough.
I'd consider it. Getting a qb and a wr is tempting - maybe Nix and  
Ira : 3/16/2024 7:26 pm : link
Thomas or Franklin.
No  
Trainmaster : 3/16/2024 7:31 pm : link
In addition to the 4 QBs:
Williams
Daniels
Maye
McCarthy

(all clearly or arguably worth a top 6 pick)

There are:

MHJ
Odunze
Nabers
Alt
Turner

(all clearly or arguably worth picking 3rd to 9th)

Seems like a decent fall off after Alt/Turner. I don't see the Giants taking Turner with the Burns acquisition. Pretty unlikely taking Alt with all the high draft picks already on the OL, but maybe outside the QBs and MHJ he might be a clear BPA.

Very likely none of those I've listed would be available at 11th overall.

If JJ is still on the board at 6  
AROCK1000 : 3/16/2024 7:37 pm : link
There will be a bidding war between Denver Minnesota and perhaps another team...like TB.ill bet we can make out lije bandits
Not if I wanted one of the top 4 QB’s.  
Giant John : 3/16/2024 7:44 pm : link
It try to move up to 4.
No, I'm only in favor of trading the pick if  
LW_Giants : 3/16/2024 8:15 pm : link
the top 4 QB's are gone and even then I'd trade back to accumulate 25 draft assets since we'll be back looking for a QB then anyway.
This  
IchabodGiant : 3/16/2024 8:27 pm : link
Would be stupid
No  
bigblueny : 3/16/2024 8:41 pm : link
That's not enough. They need an impact player and need to be overpaid significantly to move off it this year.

The Giants just need to continue to go hard to the paint selling QB. I believe two things:

1) They don't really have interest in drafting a QB this year.

2) They want a team to trade up in front of them at 4 or 5 to take a QB, leaving an extra non-QB of choice for them to choose from. Imagine 4 of the 1st 5 picks are QBs and the Giants have their pick of the litter (minus MHJ) at 6. Amazing, and pretty unprecedented. That #6 pick acts as a #2 or #3 after considering the QB reach mania going on.

It's great to see all the buy in to the QB rumors. All the mocks and analysts who are penciling in QB for the Giants. Keep at it gents! Sell sell sell.

Minny at 11, Denver at 12, and Vegas at 13, all likely primed looking for that move up to get a QB. All should be very desperate, especially the first two teams. The Jets might even be players for a move up to get a QB.
This trade is short  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2024 8:44 pm : link
next years 1st
No  
Breeze_94 : 3/16/2024 8:50 pm : link
It would be 11 and 23, plus maybe next years 2nd for 6. They are trading up for a QB, throw the trade value charts away
Big Blue  
AROCK1000 : 3/16/2024 8:59 pm : link
In comment 16435785 bigblueny said:
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That's not enough. They need an impact player and need to be overpaid significantly to move off it this year.

The Giants just need to continue to go hard to the paint selling QB. I believe two things:

1) They don't really have interest in drafting a QB this year.

2) They want a team to trade up in front of them at 4 or 5 to take a QB, leaving an extra non-QB of choice for them to choose from. Imagine 4 of the 1st 5 picks are QBs and the Giants have their pick of the litter (minus MHJ) at 6. Amazing, and pretty unprecedented. That #6 pick acts as a #2 or #3 after considering the QB reach mania going on.

It's great to see all the buy in to the QB rumors. All the mocks and analysts who are penciling in QB for the Giants. Keep at it gents! Sell sell sell.

Minny at 11, Denver at 12, and Vegas at 13, all likely primed looking for that move up to get a QB. All should be very desperate, especially the first two teams. The Jets might even be players for a move up to get a QB.

After all....it is LYING season
That wonderful time of year!!!
RE: No  
bigblueny : 3/16/2024 9:03 pm : link
In comment 16435798 Breeze_94 said:
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It would be 11 and 23, plus maybe next years 2nd for 6. They are trading up for a QB, throw the trade value charts away


I think this is on the money. They will need to outbid other teams if there is a QB they like still on the board at 6. 11 + 23 + future 2nd is an overpay, and the Giants would seriously have to consider it.
No  
Harvest Blend : 3/16/2024 9:03 pm : link
Not enough.
RE: RE: No  
AROCK1000 : 3/16/2024 9:07 pm : link
In comment 16435809 bigblueny said:
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In comment 16435798 Breeze_94 said:


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It would be 11 and 23, plus maybe next years 2nd for 6. They are trading up for a QB, throw the trade value charts away



I think this is on the money. They will need to outbid other teams if there is a QB they like still on the board at 6. 11 + 23 + future 2nd is an overpay, and the Giants would seriously have to consider it.

I could see us leveraging Denver and another team to get Minn to pony up next yrs 2nd.
Change it to the Giants third  
illmatic : 3/16/2024 9:12 pm : link
And I’ll give it some thought. But I think there’s a talent fall off around 8 or 9. Well, as far as what the Giants could really use, anyway.
No  
Rudy5757 : 3/16/2024 10:57 pm : link
We need to find a superstar WR. I think there are 3 in this draft. There are other good Wrs in this draft but we want a stud. When you have a chance at a game breaker you take it.
Not concerned with Minnesota...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/17/2024 12:04 am : link
...go get JJMac
Why is this a question?  
.McL. : 3/17/2024 12:23 am : link
Why would we ever do this?
Unless there are 4 QBs off the board, and somehow the Giants don't like the remaining WR...
The two things I'd say about the scenario are this...  
Milton : 3/17/2024 2:34 pm : link
If there are teams hankering to trade up to #6 from 11, 12, or 13, it is most likely for a QB or a WR, two things the Giants are in the market for, so for a trade to happen it would mean that the Giants have distinctly different evaluations on the available prospects than their trading partner.

That's not something that you typically see. Usually it's a case of one team wanting a highly regarded prospect that the other team isn't in need of. It would be weird for the Giants to trade down with Minnesota and see Minny taking McCarthy at #6 and the Giants taking Nix at #11.

All that being said, the thing about this draft (and where I agree with AROCK), is that if you take the QBs out of the equation, I think it's a YMMV set of prospects once you get past MHJ and maybe Brockers. Nabers and Odunze are excellent, first round value prospects, but I'm not feeling like they deserve separation from the likes of Turner, Verse, Mitchell, Wiggins, Arnold, and maybe Murphy on defense and Alt, Fashanu, Fuaga, Fautanu, and maybe Thomas on offense (and you already know how I feel about Brockers). So if you have six or eight prospects all with the same grade, why not trade down those five or six spots and pick up another first round pick?

I've been all-in on adding to our passing game with either a QB, WR, or Brockers, but the idea of adding a CB with Pro Bowl potential to a defense that just added Brian Burns, could be the cherry on top that pushes our defense into elite territory (2024's version of elite, that is).
Milton  
AROCK1000 : 3/17/2024 2:38 pm : link
In comment 16436430 Milton said:
[quote] If there are teams hankering to trade up to #6 from 11, 12, or 13, it is most likely for a QB or a WR, two things the Giants are in the market for, so for a trade to happen it would mean that the Giants have distinctly different evaluations on the available prospects than their trading partner.

That's not something that you typically see. Usually it's a case of one team wanting a highly regarded prospect that the other team isn't in need of. It would be weird for the Giants to trade down with Minnesota and see Minny taking McCarthy at #6 and the Giants taking Nix at #11.

All that being said, the thing about this draft (and where I agree with AROCK), is that if you take the QBs out of the equation, I think it's a YMMV set of prospects once you get past MHJ and maybe Brockers. Nabers and Odunze are excellent, first round value prospects, but I'm not feeling like they deserve separation from the likes of Turner, Verse, Mitchell, Wiggins, Arnold, and maybe Murphy on defense and Alt, Fashanu, Fuaga, Fautanu, and maybe Thomas on offense (and you already know how I feel about Brockers). So if you have six or eight prospects all with the same grade, why not trade down those five or six spots and pick up another first round pick?

I've been all-in on adding to our passing game with either a QB, WR, or Brockers, but the idea of adding a CB with Pro Bowl potential to a defense that just added Brian Burns, could be the cherry on top that pushes our defense into elite territory (2024's version of elite, that
Here's to an open mind
Very rare on this site
RE: Odonze is my pick too  
Joe Beckwith : 3/17/2024 2:43 pm : link
In comment 16435520 AROCK1000 said:
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At 6...but the trade chart shows the 2 sides are equal..

+1
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