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10 days later any FA regrets?

Eric on Li : 3/17/2024 1:56 pm
this was a thread from 10 days ago before FA started. was going to just reply to it with the real contracts but it was already archived.

i added in bold to the list below in the quoted OP and you will notice almost all got paid more than projected. 2 of them didnt hit the open market. 1 still unsigned (fuller).

obviously the giants ended up trading for an extending burns instead as their big splash in lieu of some of these players (onwenu? huff?).

so again kind of dovetailing from Rudy's thread this AM, if you dont like the Burns trade, what was your preferred alternative?

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Decision time - which premium FA are you choosing?
Eric on Li : mute : 3/7/2024 10:36 am
like most FA classes there are about a dozen players on the market who look likely to get premium multi-year contracts (3-4 years or more). below i've compared them to UFA contracts from the last 2 offseasons and also included their projected AAV.

it is my view that most roster decisions are top down so i would guess a few of these players are the giant's plan A's and in less than 1 week, 1 of them is in blue.

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1. Chris Jones - entering age 30 season
projected at 30m aav * 4 years (80m gtd)
comparable to von miller signing in BUF for 6x120m, with 50m gtd, his year 1 cap hit was 5.2m
actual contract 5x31.75m

2. Christian Wilkins - entering age 28 season
projected at 25 aav * 4 years (67.5m gtd)
comparable to hargave signing in SF for 4x84m, with 40m gtd, his year 1 cap hit was 6.6m
actual contract 4x27.5m


3. Danielle Hunter - entering age 29 season
projected at 22m aav * 3 years (40m gtd)
the best recent comp is probably also Von Miller's deal in BUF, though id guess it's shorter and higher AAV
actual contract 2x24.5m


4. Kendall Fuller - entering age 29 season
projected at 13m * 3 years (25m gtd)
comparable to bradberry last year in PHI, 3x38m with 20m gtd, his year 1 cap hit was 3m
currently unsigned


5. Bryce Huff - entering age 26 season
projected at 17m * 3 years (25m gtd)
comparable to zach allen in DEN, 3x48m with 33 gtd, his year 1 cap hit was 6m
actual contract 3x17m


6. Patrick Queen - entering age 25 season
projected at 18m * 4 years (50m gtd)
comparable to treamine edmunds in CHI, 4x72m, 50m gtd, his year 1 cap hit was 14.6m
actual contract 3x13.6m


7. Kevin Dotson - entering age 27 season
projected at 15m * 4 years (36m gtd)
comparable to ben powers in DEN, 4x52m, 29m gtd, his year 1 cap hit was 5.2m
actual contract 3x16m


8. Calvin Ridley - entering age 29 season
projected at 18.5m * 3 years (33m gtd)
comparable to christian kirk in JAX, 4x72m, 37m gtd, his year 1 cap hit was 7.5m
actual contract 4x23m


9. Mike Onwenu - entering age 26 season
projected at 14.5m * 4 years (33m gtd)
i think his comparable is higher bc he's played a lot of RT so im taking the over on his projection big time, i think it will be closer to Mike McGlinchey 5x87m in DEN, 50m gtd, his year 1 cap hit was 6m
actual contract 3x19m


10. Robert Hunt - entering age 28 season
projected at 17.5m * 4 years (42m gtd)
comparable to ben powers in DEN, 4x52m, 29m gtd, his year 1 cap hit was 5.2m
actual contract 5x20m


11. Jonathan Greenard - entering age 27 season
projected at 19m * 4 years (53m gtd)
comparable to zach allen in DEN, 3x48m with 33 gtd, his year 1 cap hit was 6m
actual contract 4x18.75m


it is possible they add 2 but that doesn't usually work out great because the hit rate is only about 30% for free agents on this level. so while it's pretty easily doable to add 2 from a cap standpoint you are doing so at your own risk. the more prudent strategy would probably be whichever player you like best from the list above and then smaller scale signings to fill depth elsewhere.

also even if they want 2 from the above list, these are guys that are going to have multiple teams bidding, most of whom will be the 13 teams with more cap space than nyg. denver added 3 of the top 13 last year, each are listed as comps above (powers, mcglinchey, allen) so it's not impossible. but that's a pretty good example of the pitfalls of spending big. a year later Allen is probably the only signing of the 3 that looks good.

so who's your guy?

Decision time - which premium FA are you choosing? - ( New Window )
We did really well with the two OL  
BillT : 3/17/2024 2:09 pm : link
Getting them both instead of one of the bigger ticket guys was a really well executed strategy by Schoen. Schoen staying with value additions in general. Liked the block-first TEs. Mills is a nice addition for a versatile player. Singletary is again a solid value signing. This is what I think is the right way to approach FA. Last year it was Okereke. Shows what his plan is for FA additions.
Trenches  
Sammo85 : 3/17/2024 2:13 pm : link
Giants have invested last two years. Thibs, extending Dex and Thomas. Drafting Schmitz and Neal. Trading for Burns and adding Runyon/JE.
Drew Lock  
Anakim : 3/17/2024 2:14 pm : link
Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields
RE: Drew Lock  
AROCK1000 : 3/17/2024 2:16 pm : link
In comment 16436401 Anakim said:
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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields

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Not knowing Wallers situation has  
AROCK1000 : 3/17/2024 2:17 pm : link
Gunked up the works...
And I am a pro Waller guy.
RE: Not knowing Wallers situation has  
Mike from SI : 3/17/2024 2:21 pm : link
In comment 16436406 AROCK1000 said:
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Gunked up the works...
And I am a pro Waller guy.


If he retires is Fuller in play? That would be nice.
RE: Drew Lock  
Sec 103 : 3/17/2024 2:22 pm : link
In comment 16436401 Anakim said:
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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields


Agree, this!
I've liked how FA has gone  
Blue Dog : 3/17/2024 2:32 pm : link
They still have more holes though.

-Singletary was a solid addition in my book. He's inexpensive, healthy, and has solid production. I'm totally fine with letting Barkley go.
-Eluemunor is a nice value add that helps cover the Neal liability since he can play multiple spots.
-Brian Burns makes this a top DL, finally. It is a big swing but I like it. I also like Ojulari coming off the bench.
-They got blocking TEs and punt returners. Not flashy but I'm glad it is taken care of.

Runyan seemed like the most questionable move, but the guard market went haywire. He has good pass blocking metrics so hopefully that helps.

They need to add a safety and corner, I don't think Jalen Mills is enough, but he was a minimum deal and the market will just keep going down. Same goes for a DT, losing Leonard Williams and A'Shawn Robinson in one go needs to be addressed. This is a WR draft, if they don't take one at #6 they really need to hit in the 2nd.
RE: RE: Drew Lock  
Blue21 : 3/17/2024 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16436411 Sec 103 said:
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In comment 16436401 Anakim said:


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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields



Agree, this!
Everyone probably agrees but maybe Chicago didn't want him in the NFC
I love every opionion....but it seems the NFL  
George from PA : 3/17/2024 2:37 pm : link
Does not hold Fields in that high of a regard.
if there ends up a 'what if' i think it will be onwenu or hunt  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2024 2:37 pm : link
they got 19m/20m AAV respectively.

elumeanor's $7m + cutting waller's 10.5m this year (16m aav) would have paid for one of the top OL.

i dont have any strong opinion on elumuenor either way. 7m is fair for a flexible starting OL. it could end up being the better value.

just saying Thomas-Runyan-JMS-Onwenu-Neal may have been worth a stretch.
I think giving up 2 picks for Burns  
Section331 : 3/17/2024 2:39 pm : link
rather than signing Hunter may be a “regret”, that said, not knowing if the Giants spoke to Hunter’s camp. Maybe he made it clear he didn’t want to come here.
Daniel Jones is still on the team  
Mike in NY : 3/17/2024 2:40 pm : link
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RE: if there ends up a 'what if' i think it will be onwenu or hunt  
AROCK1000 : 3/17/2024 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16436436 Eric on Li said:
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they got 19m/20m AAV respectively.

elumeanor's $7m + cutting waller's 10.5m this year (16m aav) would have paid for one of the top OL.

i dont have any strong opinion on elumuenor either way. 7m is fair for a flexible starting OL. it could end up being the better value.

just saying Thomas-Runyan-JMS-Onwenu-Neal may have been worth a stretch.

I was having a nice afternoon until you painted that OL picture in my head
Lmaoooo
RE: RE: RE: Drew Lock  
eric2425ny : 3/17/2024 2:43 pm : link
In comment 16436432 Blue21 said:
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In comment 16436411 Sec 103 said:


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In comment 16436401 Anakim said:


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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields



Agree, this!

Everyone probably agrees but maybe Chicago didn't want him in the NFC


Keep in mind this trade happened yesterday. The Bears were likely asking for more and other teams didn’t think they would come down as much so they chose other options.
RE: We did really well with the two OL  
mavric : 3/17/2024 2:44 pm : link
In comment 16436394 BillT said:
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Getting them both instead of one of the bigger ticket guys was a really well executed strategy by Schoen. Schoen staying with value additions in general. Liked the block-first TEs. Mills is a nice addition for a versatile player. Singletary is again a solid value signing. This is what I think is the right way to approach FA. Last year it was Okereke. Shows what his plan is for FA additions.


Same here. I'm so happy with the first two offensive linemen by grabbing them before the position is picked over out of the gate. I suspect Schoen and his team did a lot of evaluations on the group and were wise to snap up the two they really liked. I'm also happy they got Drew Lock, young, experienced, and on the cheap. A pass blocking TE is nice to add to protecting the QB.
RE: RE: if there ends up a 'what if' i think it will be onwenu or hunt  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2024 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16436442 AROCK1000 said:
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In comment 16436436 Eric on Li said:


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they got 19m/20m AAV respectively.

elumeanor's $7m + cutting waller's 10.5m this year (16m aav) would have paid for one of the top OL.

i dont have any strong opinion on elumuenor either way. 7m is fair for a flexible starting OL. it could end up being the better value.

just saying Thomas-Runyan-JMS-Onwenu-Neal may have been worth a stretch.


I was having a nice afternoon until you painted that OL picture in my head
Lmaoooo


lol sorry.
RE: Drew Lock  
Toth029 : 3/17/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16436401 Anakim said:
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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields


Both have sucked. Fields is a bigger disappointment because he was a high pick.

Neither is going to be a starter long term. The league knows Fields isn't.
Lock vs Fields is interesting but im fine with Lock  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2024 2:52 pm : link
he is a much more talented version of davis webb, and this staff got a decent game out of davis webb. obviously enormously more talented than tommy cutlets.

i think there's more reason to believe they know what they are doing with QBs than the opposite.
RE: Drew Lock  
mavric : 3/17/2024 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16436401 Anakim said:
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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields


It would have created chaos in the QB room, not to mention, we have very little draft capital we can afford to give up just to create a new problem. There's a reason the Bears have given up on Fields, who is not a franchise QB, and there's a reason there wasn't a line out the door of teams waiting in line wanting to get their hands on him. Almost zero interest from teams, not even from those who need a QB, until his price was basically giving him away. And even then, only one team was interested.
should also mention lock vs fields likely ends up a difference without  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2024 2:53 pm : link
any actual distinction. if either ended up playing more than few games next year something went really wrong, maybe 2 somethings.
RE: Drew Lock  
shocktheworld : 3/17/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16436401 Anakim said:
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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields



Absolutely…. This is the one thing that has bugged the shit outta me….
1 thing to remember with Fields - he wants to play  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2024 2:59 pm : link
he is probably not going to get his 5YO picked up this offseason so he is entering a contract year.

he is turning 26 and has basically only been a starter.

that is not the ideal guy to have in a QB room with a rookie or in any sort of backup role.

pitt basically got 2 starters for league minimum and will let them fight it out but if either creates a distraction or isnt working out they can/will cut them.
Not a bad start  
Rudy5757 : 3/17/2024 3:02 pm : link
I may have gone after G Onwenu instead of Runyon. I’m a little worried Runyon isn’t any better than what we had. Probably better in the pass protection and worse in Run blocking which makes sense but I think Onwenu is just better overall.

I think our skill positions are still terrible. We need something.
Totally forgot about Greenard...  
bw in dc : 3/17/2024 3:03 pm : link
That looks like a very good deal for Minnesota to replace a good portion of the value they lost with Hunter.

Hindsight in always clearest, but I would have preferred to go with more guaranteed performers on the OL. Hunt or Dotson seem like surer bets than Runyan, which is the way I would have tried to end the OL jinx...
RE: Totally forgot about Greenard...  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2024 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16436478 bw in dc said:
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That looks like a very good deal for Minnesota to replace a good portion of the value they lost with Hunter.

Hindsight in always clearest, but I would have preferred to go with more guaranteed performers on the OL. Hunt or Dotson seem like surer bets than Runyan, which is the way I would have tried to end the OL jinx...


dotson didnt get to FA.

greenard has had a lot of injury issues, id take the huff deal or hunter deal over that one pretty easily.
No  
ElitoCanton : 3/17/2024 3:13 pm : link
This team is finally allocating resources in the right places. It is about time. Now get a QB and we can really build something.
RE: RE: Drew Lock  
eric2425ny : 3/17/2024 3:17 pm : link
In comment 16436458 mavric said:
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In comment 16436401 Anakim said:


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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields



It would have created chaos in the QB room, not to mention, we have very little draft capital we can afford to give up just to create a new problem. There's a reason the Bears have given up on Fields, who is not a franchise QB, and there's a reason there wasn't a line out the door of teams waiting in line wanting to get their hands on him. Almost zero interest from teams, not even from those who need a QB, until his price was basically giving him away. And even then, only one team was interested.


I think more teams would have had interest but the asking price was very likely much higher until later in the week. By then most teams had signed QB’s if they really wanted one like the Giants. The lack of demand led to them taking next to nothing to unload him. Mistake on the Bears part for not asking for a bit less when FA opened.
RE: RE: Totally forgot about Greenard...  
bw in dc : 3/17/2024 3:18 pm : link
In comment 16436483 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16436478 bw in dc said:


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That looks like a very good deal for Minnesota to replace a good portion of the value they lost with Hunter.

Hindsight in always clearest, but I would have preferred to go with more guaranteed performers on the OL. Hunt or Dotson seem like surer bets than Runyan, which is the way I would have tried to end the OL jinx...



dotson didnt get to FA.

greenard has had a lot of injury issues, id take the huff deal or hunter deal over that one pretty easily.


I was noting Greenard because you listed him, and I forgot he was a FA. I really like that two-year deal Houston got with Hunter. I know he's 30, but he's pretty much plug and play, and enjoy the high-level production.
RE: RE: Drew Lock  
Fishmanjim57 : 3/17/2024 3:20 pm : link
In comment 16436403 AROCK1000 said:
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In comment 16436401 Anakim said:


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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields


This


Getting Lock is like getting a healthier Jones with a better arm. I don't. hate getting Lock, but would have rather picked up Fields, then use the 6th pick for Odunze.
I'm is sick of having Jones here. Having him around is like stepping in tar and trying to get it off your shoe.
Fields sucks  
ElitoCanton : 3/17/2024 3:26 pm : link
The NFL told you that they think that based on what the compensation was in the trade. He just does not see the field. He's Daniel Jones with a little more athletic ability.
Patrick Queen.  
Joe Beckwith : 3/17/2024 4:21 pm : link
Would have been a very nice add to the LB group.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/17/2024 4:24 pm : link
Justin Fields is not a good QB. I really don’t get the angst of people being disappointed we didn’t get him.
RE: Drew Lock  
section125 : 3/17/2024 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16436401 Anakim said:
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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields


Why in God's name would you trade a pick for Jones 2.0 lite when all it costs is $$$ to sign Lock?

This idolizing Fields is strange.
 
christian : 3/17/2024 4:38 pm : link
I think the biggest loss will be Robinson.
for the last....forever  
bc4life : 3/17/2024 4:49 pm : link
we have hoping for them to fix the OLine -

In addition to new OL Coach. 2 decent starters and some depth and 2 TEs who can actually block.

What's not to like? Oh then there's Burns.
RE: Fields  
bc4life : 3/17/2024 4:50 pm : link
If you are going to take a QB who will need to be developed - draft one.
RE: RE: Drew Lock  
KDavies : 3/17/2024 5:02 pm : link
In comment 16436581 section125 said:
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In comment 16436401 Anakim said:


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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields



Why in God's name would you trade a pick for Jones 2.0 lite when all it costs is $$$ to sign Lock?

This idolizing Fields is strange.


Only way I can think of is they just play fantasy football and don't watch the games. It is mind boggling. I don't understand it. He is basically DJ and will be getting paid soon.
RE: …  
KDavies : 3/17/2024 5:12 pm : link
In comment 16436592 christian said:
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I think the biggest loss will be Robinson.


I agree, particularly with LW gone as well. Davidson and Riley will be huge. Wouldn't be surprised to see them go DL in 2nd or 3rd
I expect a veteran DL signing like jordan Phillips to replace robinson  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2024 5:24 pm : link
Space eaters tend to linger on the market. Derrick nadi I think out there too. I think right now they are waiting to see what adoree jackson gets bc that will help them make more moves without canceling out mckinney comp pick.
No FA regrets  
DavidinBMNY : 3/17/2024 5:31 pm : link
But also FA hasn't created excitement when compared to what the Eagles have done the Giants look to be treading water while the Eagles keep reloading.
Eagles lost Kelce and Cox  
bc4life : 3/17/2024 6:19 pm : link
two best players on that SB team
Yes - losing Taylor  
averagejoe : 3/17/2024 6:50 pm : link
and not signing Wilson to start. Now we have two scrubs and a walk on in the QB room .
I think  
jtfuoco : 3/17/2024 8:33 pm : link
The Fields move is only a regret if they dont get a QB in these first 2 rounds otherwise a QB room of those 3 guys looks really bad. Fields may not be any good but at least have jones go up againts a real challenger for the starting job.
RE: Drew Lock  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/17/2024 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16436401 Anakim said:
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Rather have traded a sixth rounder for Fields


May not have been available then.
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