There are a lot of things I want to post but I’m obligated to wait til the week of the draft. One thing that is big is there are reportedly a handful of people in the organization that doubt jones will be able to pass a physical. Apparently he hasn’t recovered as expected from the ACL and they here has been a noticeable reduction of motion in his throwing arm.
Giants were willing to run it back with Jones but fear that his injuries in ‘23 have made him too much of a liability going forward as much as they like the man. They cannot, in good faith, rely on him going into the ‘24 season. Drew lock was signed to be the potential starter in the initial weeks when Jones’s recovery seemed to suffer a setback (Thus the explanation that Jones is still the presumptive starter). However further reports from medical doctors are leading the Giants to full pivot off Jones. It’s no longer about whether he is good enough, it’s simply come down to “will he hold up” and the Giants have been told that one more injury to the kneck will lead to retirement from Jones.
Finally. It was explained to me like this.
“Remember John McCain?”
Me: “The Governor?”
“yes. Remember he couldn’t lift his arms above his head?”
Me: “Kinda”
“Daniel Jones is one hit away”
The Giants have the #6 pick, a second round pick, and their first round pick for next year. That's not nothing in a trade. If Harbaugh wants player X, the best guarantee of getting that player is swapping with the Giants, not the Vikings.
As to the OP - that's unfortunate for Jones but not surprising.
I can't give up 47 this year and my first next year to move up 3 spots to take the 3rd QB in the draft. That is me though.
And sorry. Mr. MCCain was a senator not a Governor. I was never great in US Politics
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The daily 'we are screwed because we can't trade up to #4 or #5' or 'oh noes, the Vikings' thread of the day.
The Giants have the #6 pick, a second round pick, and their first round pick for next year. That's not nothing in a trade. If Harbaugh wants player X, the best guarantee of getting that player is swapping with the Giants, not the Vikings.
As to the OP - that's unfortunate for Jones but not surprising.
I can't give up 47 this year and my first next year to move up 3 spots to take the 3rd QB in the draft. That is me though.
Yeah I'd rather toss them Slayton and 2025 2nd or 2025 2nd and 2026 2nd
Penix cannot be the guy coming off the issues we have had and with am offense that requires their QB to have mobility.
That is just bullshit..
JJM is a superior prospect to Penix and it isn't even close!
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The daily 'we are screwed because we can't trade up to #4 or #5' or 'oh noes, the Vikings' thread of the day.
The Giants have the #6 pick, a second round pick, and their first round pick for next year. That's not nothing in a trade. If Harbaugh wants player X, the best guarantee of getting that player is swapping with the Giants, not the Vikings.
As to the OP - that's unfortunate for Jones but not surprising.
I can't give up 47 this year and my first next year to move up 3 spots to take the 3rd QB in the draft. That is me though.
Yeah I'd rather toss them Slayton and 2025 2nd or 2025 2nd and 2026 2nd
I can do that
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The daily 'we are screwed because we can't trade up to #4 or #5' or 'oh noes, the Vikings' thread of the day.
The Giants have the #6 pick, a second round pick, and their first round pick for next year. That's not nothing in a trade. If Harbaugh wants player X, the best guarantee of getting that player is swapping with the Giants, not the Vikings.
As to the OP - that's unfortunate for Jones but not surprising.
I can't give up 47 this year and my first next year to move up 3 spots to take the 3rd QB in the draft. That is me though.
Yeah I'd rather toss them Slayton and 2025 2nd or 2025 2nd and 2026 2nd
I can do that
If they want Odunze, Nabers, Alt, or Nix I think they would do it.
Penix cannot be the guy coming off the issues we have had and with am offense that requires their QB to have mobility.
That is just bullshit..
JJM is a superior prospect to Penix and it isn't even close!
Penix at 6 is a no go. Yes he passed his Combine medicals, HOWEVER, he's at a far greater risk to re-injury the same right knee that he had torn his ACL TWICE already.
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The daily 'we are screwed because we can't trade up to #4 or #5' or 'oh noes, the Vikings' thread of the day.
The Giants have the #6 pick, a second round pick, and their first round pick for next year. That's not nothing in a trade. If Harbaugh wants player X, the best guarantee of getting that player is swapping with the Giants, not the Vikings.
As to the OP - that's unfortunate for Jones but not surprising.
I can't give up 47 this year and my first next year to move up 3 spots to take the 3rd QB in the draft. That is me though.
The QB that goes 3rd does not mean he is the third best QB. You won't know the answer to that for at least two years.
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The daily 'we are screwed because we can't trade up to #4 or #5' or 'oh noes, the Vikings' thread of the day.
The Giants have the #6 pick, a second round pick, and their first round pick for next year. That's not nothing in a trade. If Harbaugh wants player X, the best guarantee of getting that player is swapping with the Giants, not the Vikings.
As to the OP - that's unfortunate for Jones but not surprising.
I can't give up 47 this year and my first next year to move up 3 spots to take the 3rd QB in the draft. That is me though.
Depends on how the Giants have them rated.
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The daily 'we are screwed because we can't trade up to #4 or #5' or 'oh noes, the Vikings' thread of the day.
The Giants have the #6 pick, a second round pick, and their first round pick for next year. That's not nothing in a trade. If Harbaugh wants player X, the best guarantee of getting that player is swapping with the Giants, not the Vikings.
As to the OP - that's unfortunate for Jones but not surprising.
I can't give up 47 this year and my first next year to move up 3 spots to take the 3rd QB in the draft. That is me though.
Depends on how the Giants have them rated.
I can already tell you... no matter who they pick that is the guy they wanted.
On the flip side, didn't the Giants allow Josh Ezeudu play with a neck injury in 2022 that got worse and landed him on IR?
Didn’t Peyton play with a neck injury until he eventually have to get it fused?
Penix cannot be the guy coming off the issues we have had and with am offense that requires their QB to have mobility.
That is just bullshit..
JJM is a superior prospect to Penix and it isn't even close!
Define superior.
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Is Malik Willis all over again. Forget that. He isn't being picked at 6 by anyone, that is lunacy.
Penix cannot be the guy coming off the issues we have had and with am offense that requires their QB to have mobility.
That is just bullshit..
JJM is a superior prospect to Penix and it isn't even close!
Define superior.
Simple- Penix is a medicL risk, athetically inferior, one trick pony, lacks mobility and no matter what in today's NFL that is death stroke, lacks sophistication in game play- Tues to one trick pony and when faced with too tier talent struggled with Even basic check down work
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Superior.
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has a good point.
On the flip side, didn't the Giants allow Josh Ezeudu play with a neck injury in 2022 that got worse and landed him on IR?
Didn’t Peyton play with a neck injury until he eventually have to get it fused?
I am missing the point on both posts. Post injury, Peyton had a noodle arm and got by with his smarts. Re Ezeudu, are you suggesting that how they treated Ez and DJ is an indictment of the medical staff?
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Vikings have two first rounders and another next year.
We can offer the 1st, 2nd, and next year's first.
There comes a point when the cost is too much.
We're talking about unknown commodities, and specifically the 4th QB in the draft.
Then there's the asshat tidbit that the Patriots would much prefer to trade down to 6 vs. 11. So, I don't think it's as simple as getting more draft capital if the Patriots want Odunze, Nabers, Alt, Nix or maybe Maye/JJM then 6 is where they would want to be.
Correct
Oh but he'll be fine in the pros where they are bigger, stronger and faster though
Simple- Penix is a medicL risk, athetically inferior, one trick pony, lacks mobility and no matter what in today's NFL that is death stroke, lacks sophistication in game play- Tues to one trick pony and when faced with too tier talent struggled with Even basic check down work
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Superior.
I'll give you that McCarthy's medical dossier is cleaner. And he is more athletic/mobile.
I don't know where or how you are seeing this "sophistication" difference. Or what that even means.
IMV, Penix has more arm talent than McCarthy. That has been showcased in the variety of throws that show up on tape.
Penix struggled against Michigan's D. Which QB didn't last year? They were the best D in the sport. So, no shame in Penix struggling, too. It happens. One game poor game shouldn't erase a pretty good body of work.
To me, all that doesn't add up to "superior".
I do understand the one-trick pony POV.
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Simple- Penix is a medicL risk, athetically inferior, one trick pony, lacks mobility and no matter what in today's NFL that is death stroke, lacks sophistication in game play- Tues to one trick pony and when faced with too tier talent struggled with Even basic check down work
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Superior.
I'll give you that McCarthy's medical dossier is cleaner. And he is more athletic/mobile.
I don't know where or how you are seeing this "sophistication" difference. Or what that even means.
IMV, Penix has more arm talent than McCarthy. That has been showcased in the variety of throws that show up on tape.
Penix struggled against Michigan's D. Which QB didn't last year? They were the best D in the sport. So, no shame in Penix struggling, too. It happens. One game poor game shouldn't erase a pretty good body of work.
To me, all that doesn't add up to "superior".
I do understand the one-trick pony POV.
Age, athleticism, build are better to name a few tangibles.
After having a QB who has been injured almost every year,
I would not take the risk on a player who has lost three seasons due to injury.
He may be healthy now, but he has shown that he is an injury risk.
In addition, Penix is not a great prospect. He is older, a one-year wonder, he does not fair well when under pressure, and he does not extend plays.
He has a strong arm but that does not offset his liabilities.
We need a new QB, this draft has at least 6 that are worthy of 1st or early 2nd round consideration. Next year there may be 2. If there is a clear cut number 1 QB that is worthy of the top pick, the Giants will not be picking at 1. They will need to move up potentially more thank they do this year.
Get your QB now and start the new clock.
Yes, I think for AZ or NE we are clearly the better option, LAC are a wildcard Harbaugh typically prefers to go blue chip vs extra picks but they seem to be doing a little rebuild so it's hard to say. Either way, I feel like we are in a prime position. If Patriots are going to trade I say we pony up and trade with them to ensure Schdabka get their guy, if NE doesn't trade and they still love the 4th QB then I say we do everything possible to get that guy before the Vikings do. I don't see the option of sitting at 6 and waiting, unless they have the 3rd and 4th qb basically equally rated which I highly doubt.
Pratt reminds me of Jones.
After having a QB who has been injured almost every year,
I would not take the risk on a player who has lost three seasons due to injury.
He may be healthy now, but he has shown that he is an injury risk.
In addition, Penix is not a great prospect. He is older, a one-year wonder, he does not fair well when under pressure, and he does not extend plays.
He has a strong arm but that does not offset his liabilities.
This is the other thing, where was all that arm talent when Washington needed it? He had one of the very best wide receivers, actually, one of the very best players, in the country to throw to who is a game-breaking threat, and is mystical arm talent couldn't really gash the Michigan defense that much at all. Much at all. Instead he just got hurt again and could barely finish the game
This is not like some kid who got injured during his red shirt freshman year and is paying for it two or three years later. This guy should be playing in a bubble.
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I think that only teams that have a legit QB should take flyers on developmental QBs, but if that is all NYG are left with, isn’t Pratt one of the better targets? Penix injury history doesn’t seem like something this team can afford to gamble on.
Pratt reminds me of Jones.
The big 4 and Nix are going top 12 imo. CHI, Was. NE, NYG, Den, Min...5/6 min going to 5 of those 6 teams imo. I wouldn't be surprised if Pennix goes rd1 too, in fact I think he will. We can't wait for developmental prospects. Schoen and Dabs futures are on the line, there's no leaving this up to chance imo
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I think that only teams that have a legit QB should take flyers on developmental QBs, but if that is all NYG are left with, isn’t Pratt one of the better targets? Penix injury history doesn’t seem like something this team can afford to gamble on.
Pratt reminds me of Jones.
The big 4 and Nix are going top 12 imo. CHI, Was. NE, NYG, Den, Min...5/6 min going to 5 of those 6 teams imo. I wouldn't be surprised if Pennix goes rd1 too, in fact I think he will. We can't wait for developmental prospects. Schoen and Dabs futures are on the line, there's no leaving this up to chance imo
Might be stuck with taking Rattler or Pratt, letting them compete with Lock until the year we are in a good spot to draft our hero.
This is hearsay but I am told that his arm injury was an impingement that it has resolved itself. Jones had limited range of motion due to the neck injury. He tried to play threw it.
The knee is responding to treatment. If anything Jones had to be restrained because he was pushing himself too hard. There was no timetable discussed, but Jones is preparing for the season.
Y'know, a lot of BBIers talk as all "neck injuries" are the same, as if a "neck injury" is the same as an injury to the spinal cord. I have pinched nerves around my cervical spine that affect my shoulders, arms and hands. It's annoying but not a major threat to my quality of life, and no doctor has ever suggested I'm in any danger of paralysis. However, it does sometimes affect the sensation in my hands and fingers, which would certainly limit any elite athlete.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not a football player, I'm not taking hits in a game, but still, not all "neck injuries" are the same.
David Wilson and others mentioned were in danger of damage to their spinal cord, which could leave them quadriplegic. If DJ had that he'd be off the roster by now. DJ could have pinched nerves — nerve impingement — while the spinal cord is undamaged and not really threatened.
The comparison to John McCain seems peculiar to me. If you look up how John McCain's shoulders were hurt, it bears little resemblance to anything DJ has experienced. I could be wrong, but I don't think McCain's limited range of motion in his shoulders were from nerve damage alone. There was a lot more going on. But, again, I could be wrong.
If you are a doctor are you really clearing a guy with 2 neck injuries to play. People at all levels get told to stop playing with neck injuries. He has had 2
I get he wants to play and is tough guy but he may need to be reigned in from himself
I hate seeing anybody on the team I root for being hurt to the point of career jeopardized
If you are a doctor are you really clearing a guy with 2 neck injuries to play. People at all levels get told to stop playing with neck injuries. He has had 2
I get he wants to play and is tough guy but he may need to be reigned in from himself
I hate seeing anybody on the team I root for being hurt to the point of career jeopardized
FWIW, when I was playing baseball I did something in my neck that I could not straighten my head up = cocked off to one side. For two or three days I could barely move it. Woke up one morning and it was gone - full range of motion, no pain at all...
So yeah, it is possible that his neck injury(especially if it was muscular) could go away in a couple days, especially with a guy taking serious treatment. These guys play with pain. He is a "tough" guy. No doctor would let him play with serious damage and with a chance to worsen the damage.
How did LT play with a torn pec or a broken ankle? (well ok coke)
If you are a doctor are you really clearing a guy with 2 neck injuries to play. People at all levels get told to stop playing with neck injuries. He has had 2
I get he wants to play and is tough guy but he may need to be reigned in from himself
I hate seeing anybody on the team I root for being hurt to the point of career jeopardized
Depends on imaging and symptoms
Thanks Go Deep. This is what makes sense and I thought and posted earlier in the thread. (1) This is the reason he could or wouldn't throw downfield and (2) They noticed the difference when he returned from the neck injury. I wondered why at times he wouldn't throw downfield and give his receivers a chance to make a play. Now we know.
I don't get this. Jones only played one quarter of one game after his return from the 2023 neck injury and the plays that drew the most criticism were his overthrows of Slayton and Hyatt on deep patterns.
As far as the doubts about passing a physical: passing a physical when? Now? July? September?
If there were a concern that he won't pass a physical, period, because of his physical condition, the headline concern should be the Giants being on the hook for his $23M injury guarantee. And if the concern is only that he couldn't pass a physical now, but presumably will later on, why is that, in particular, the focus of concern?
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I think that only teams that have a legit QB should take flyers on developmental QBs, but if that is all NYG are left with, isn’t Pratt one of the better targets? Penix injury history doesn’t seem like something this team can afford to gamble on.
Pratt reminds me of Jones.
The big 4 and Nix are going top 12 imo. CHI, Was. NE, NYG, Den, Min...5/6 min going to 5 of those 6 teams imo. I wouldn't be surprised if Pennix goes rd1 too, in fact I think he will. We can't wait for developmental prospects. Schoen and Dabs futures are on the line, there's no leaving this up to chance imo
Might be stuck with taking Rattler or Pratt, letting them compete with Lock until the year we are in a good spot to draft our hero.
I firmly believe Schdabka feel conviction about one of these guys and they are going to trade up for him, likely up to 3. It'll be a lot of draft capital, but if they hit a home run no one will care. Swing for the fences, boys.
I firmly believe Schdabka feel conviction about one of these guys and they are going to trade up for him, likely up to 3. It'll be a lot of draft capital, but if they hit a home run no one will care. Swing for the fences, boys.
I said this in the Daniels thread, but I find it super suspicious that Maye is never mentioned when it comes to QBs for the Giants. Couple that with the current rumors that they have an offer to NE and could be on the verge to trade up to 3 I think a lot of this is smoke to keep Maye at 3 so MIN doesn’t try and trade up.
I don’t think they will pass on a QB this year and the only way to make that happen is a trade up.
I hope the guy is ok, but I'm also thinking the Giants want an injury excuse to take some of the egg off their faces (it doesn't).
100% to the taking egg off their face comment.
They are waxing on this thick and it raises eyebrows. “The only reason is injury”. The guy fucking sucked. You can be cordial and professional while being honest too. How about “we have extremely high expectations whoever man’s the position and they were not being met, coupled with the injury risk, we decided it’s best for the organization to move o from Daniel. We wish him all the best.”. I would actually have way more respect for that response.
When you release someone and don’t always have to worry about hurting his damn feelings. It’s a big boy business, grow a set Giants.
They are waxing on this thick and it raises eyebrows. “The only reason is injury”.
"They" haven't said a thing.
I must admit that I do not come tabula rasa and I cannot be objective in my analysis.
Having played football at Tulane I have maintained my relationships with the football program.
What I can tell you about Pratt that you won't see in the statistics is the following.
Pratt is a winner. He has willed an undermanned Tulane team to win. He took a team that was 2-10 and turned around 12-2 and 11-3.
He made ridiculous plays every week. He ran when he had to and passed when necessary. Pratt was a winner. The team loves him and would go through a wall for him. Pratt ingratiated himself by blocking and doing the dirty work.
I don't know if he has the prerequisite skills to become a starter in the NFL, but he is a player you would want on any team.
The Giants #1 QB has been all 4. We are all in to trade with NE and then the next day we are trading down.
Drew Lock was told he’s competing as a starter says his former GM and Lock says to everyone he’s the clear back up.
And most of the site treats all the new info as if it’s 100% correct.
I do think GoDeep is a credible source and I love reading all the info. I just find the whole situation entertaining with so many claiming absolutes.
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it and hopefully you will have more to share. When the team sucks this is the best time of year.
On a personal note I do hope that DJ is OK and fully recovers and gets one more shot to be our starter. I don’t think the Giants are in a good position to trade up for a QB this year despite what others think. The cost to trade up is too rich and I think these QBs are over rated. With so many holes, low cap space and no offensive weapons we have a chance to get a great WR. At the very worst Lock can be the gap QB to help us get the #1 QB next year.
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Simple- Penix is a medicL risk, athetically inferior, one trick pony, lacks mobility and no matter what in today's NFL that is death stroke, lacks sophistication in game play- Tues to one trick pony and when faced with too tier talent struggled with Even basic check down work
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Superior.
I'll give you that McCarthy's medical dossier is cleaner. And he is more athletic/mobile.
I don't know where or how you are seeing this "sophistication" difference. Or what that even means.
IMV, Penix has more arm talent than McCarthy. That has been showcased in the variety of throws that show up on tape.
Penix struggled against Michigan's D. Which QB didn't last year? They were the best D in the sport. So, no shame in Penix struggling, too. It happens. One game poor game shouldn't erase a pretty good body of work.
To me, all that doesn't add up to "superior".
I do understand the one-trick pony POV.
I watched that entire championship game. Pennix did not struggle. His receivers did. There were so many drops that would have been big plays, including Odunze losing the ball in the air when he was wide open.
That's the kind of crap that will get you banned.
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I firmly believe Schdabka feel conviction about one of these guys and they are going to trade up for him, likely up to 3. It'll be a lot of draft capital, but if they hit a home run no one will care. Swing for the fences, boys.
I said this in the Daniels thread, but I find it super suspicious that Maye is never mentioned when it comes to QBs for the Giants. Couple that with the current rumors that they have an offer to NE and could be on the verge to trade up to 3 I think a lot of this is smoke to keep Maye at 3 so MIN doesn’t try and trade up.
I don’t think they will pass on a QB this year and the only way to make that happen is a trade up.
They've been linked to Maye:
I agree the time to strike is this year whether it be for Maye or McCarthy, I don't see any chance JD slips to the Patriots and if he miraculously did then they wouldn't trade down.
Link - ( New Window )
I watched that entire championship game. Pennix did not struggle. His receivers did. There were so many drops that would have been big plays, including Odunze losing the ball in the air when he was wide open.
Of course, Penix struggled. But so did the WRs, OL, RBs, coaching etc.
Again, Michigan was a superior team on D. And completely stymied Washington. I don't think Washington broke 50 yards rushing.
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I firmly believe Schdabka feel conviction about one of these guys and they are going to trade up for him, likely up to 3. It'll be a lot of draft capital, but if they hit a home run no one will care. Swing for the fences, boys.
I said this in the Daniels thread, but I find it super suspicious that Maye is never mentioned when it comes to QBs for the Giants. Couple that with the current rumors that they have an offer to NE and could be on the verge to trade up to 3 I think a lot of this is smoke to keep Maye at 3 so MIN doesn’t try and trade up.
I don’t think they will pass on a QB this year and the only way to make that happen is a trade up.
They've been linked to Maye:
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Connor Hughes believes Maye would be the team’s preferred choice. “Maye, specifically, they’re high on,” he wrote on Wednesday.
I agree the time to strike is this year whether it be for Maye or McCarthy, I don't see any chance JD slips to the Patriots and if he miraculously did then they wouldn't trade down. Link - ( New Window )
I know they have. It’s just interesting to me that the steam for QB lately hasn’t really mentioned Maye (outside of beat writers). Seems like the national media is being fed more of the McCarthy narrative and that raises an eyebrow to me.
I must admit that I do not come tabula rasa and I cannot be objective in my analysis.
Having played football at Tulane I have maintained my relationships with the football program.
What I can tell you about Pratt that you won't see in the statistics is the following.
Pratt is a winner. He has willed an undermanned Tulane team to win. He took a team that was 2-10 and turned around 12-2 and 11-3.
He made ridiculous plays every week. He ran when he had to and passed when necessary. Pratt was a winner. The team loves him and would go through a wall for him. Pratt ingratiated himself by blocking and doing the dirty work.
I don't know if he has the prerequisite skills to become a starter in the NFL, but he is a player you would want on any team.
I like Pratt the most of all the later round guys, above Rattler.
That's the kind of crap that will get you banned.
You're right, I was impulsive with the post and didnt think about what I was saying.
I just see plenty of posts criticizing Jones not being able to stay healthy when this guy has been destroyed in college. Then, the same posters mock the Giants for Jones' lack of ability to stay healthy and then fompletely ignore it when advocating for Penix.
It gets frustrating to read posters having contradicting ground rules for what they want from their QB and then be able to parrot the same thing over and over every single day.
I apologize. I didnt mean to be insulting, ai just popped off at the "logic."
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I firmly believe Schdabka feel conviction about one of these guys and they are going to trade up for him, likely up to 3. It'll be a lot of draft capital, but if they hit a home run no one will care. Swing for the fences, boys.
I said this in the Daniels thread, but I find it super suspicious that Maye is never mentioned when it comes to QBs for the Giants. Couple that with the current rumors that they have an offer to NE and could be on the verge to trade up to 3 I think a lot of this is smoke to keep Maye at 3 so MIN doesn’t try and trade up.
I don’t think they will pass on a QB this year and the only way to make that happen is a trade up.
They've been linked to Maye:
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Connor Hughes believes Maye would be the team’s preferred choice. “Maye, specifically, they’re high on,” he wrote on Wednesday.
I agree the time to strike is this year whether it be for Maye or McCarthy, I don't see any chance JD slips to the Patriots and if he miraculously did then they wouldn't trade down. Link - ( New Window )
I know they have. It’s just interesting to me that the steam for QB lately hasn’t really mentioned Maye (outside of beat writers). Seems like the national media is being fed more of the McCarthy narrative and that raises an eyebrow to me.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from, but Connor Hughes said Maye was our guy 2 weeks ago. Seems like Schoen is doing a good job. It was reported Schoen was very mad after Connor Hughes made the report about us being high on JJM, that is interesting too.
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The daily 'we are screwed because we can't trade up to #4 or #5' or 'oh noes, the Vikings' thread of the day.
The Giants have the #6 pick, a second round pick, and their first round pick for next year. That's not nothing in a trade. If Harbaugh wants player X, the best guarantee of getting that player is swapping with the Giants, not the Vikings.
As to the OP - that's unfortunate for Jones but not surprising.
I can't give up 47 this year and my first next year to move up 3 spots to take the 3rd QB in the draft. That is me though.
What if QB3 this year is QB1 in the next draft? I really don't think people think this through bc i never get an answer on what the alternate strategy is. It's like I don't really want to eat there, well where are at gonna eat?
We've taken multiple mid round QBs over the last 10-15 years and not one has looked promising from day 1. Spend all the picks on defense if we're just going to roll with Drew Lock going forward