Story by RotoBaller Staff (March 22nd)
Saquon Barkley - RB, Philadelphia Eagles
Three years, $37.75 million with $26 million guaranteed
"This is all about the positional value...is he a $12.5 million per year running back?... How much tread is left on the tires for the former No. 2 overall pick?
Tony Pollard - RB, Tennessee Titans
Three years, $21 million with $10.5 million guaranteed
"...a luxury add for a team that went 6-11 last season."
Calvin Ridley - WR, Tennessee Titans
Four years, $92 million with $50 million guaranteed
"...Titans had to overpay to bring him in as the new No. 1 option... $50 million guaranteed...could really come back to bite the Titans."
Gabe Davis - WR, Jacksonville Jaguars
Three years, $39 million with $24 million guaranteed
"from a purely impact-focused perspective, the drop-off from (Calvin Ridley to Davis is huge. Davis was just so boom-or-bust in 2023."
Darnell Mooney - WR, Atlanta Falcons
Three years, $39 million with $26 million guaranteed
"...(In 2023) Darnell Mooney...had career lows in receptions (31) and receiving yards (414)..."
Jonathan Greenard - DE, Minnesota Vikings
Four years, $76 million with $38 million guaranteed
"...this was a lot of money...for a guy with one season of elite production through four NFL seasons...one has to wonder if Minnesota could have allocated its resources a little better."
Kevin Byard - S, Chicago Bears
Two years, $15 million with $7.4 million guaranteed
Kevin Byard used to be a really good NFL safety...his pass coverage skills seem to have taken a drop...There were plenty of good options at safety out there on the free-agent market, so the Bears signing Byard as quickly as they did felt like an odd move."
Robert Hunt - OL, Carolina Panthers
Five years, $100 million with $63 million guaranteed
"...is a good guard, but this deal makes him the second-highest-paid guard in the NFL in terms of overall value of deal...Hunt wasn't in the top 20 among interior offensive linemen in pass block win rate. It's just a huge contract for a guy who hasn't proven to be an elite player yet."
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Barkley was a bargain compared to some of the fa deals we saw. When he’s scoring big TDs in big moments then tell me it’s an overpay.
But who would take Davis and Mooney over Barkley and Pollard combos?
Yet Barkley and Pollard will cost $6mm a year LESS as a combo than the pair of WR's.
Even more ironic is Barkley is good for 40/50 catches a year, and Pollard is good for 30+ himself.
While Davis si good fo 40 catches and Mooney probably 50-60.
Two very good RBs who catch passes for $6mm less than two erratic WRs.
But who would take Davis and Mooney over Barkley and Pollard combos?
Yet Barkley and Pollard will cost $6mm a year LESS as a combo than the pair of WR's.
Even more ironic is Barkley is good for 40/50 catches a year, and Pollard is good for 30+ himself.
While Davis si good fo 40 catches and Mooney probably 50-60.
Two very good RBs who catch passes for $6mm less than two erratic WRs.
It actually makes total sense based on positional and market dynamics. It also involves factors such as teams that don't need RBs and the offenses they run.
RB catches are not what they used to a useful metric either - lot of defenses give up the underneath dump off/check-down catches to RBs.
He's fools gold, and that's a big reason why NYG have been in the dumpster.
PS. I saw him play in Happy Valley many times, he was an often 'nicked' - one trick pony as he was here.
*it can be.
Not sure why that’s left out. I wouldn’t have paid Barkley that for this Giants team but it makes sense for Philly and they are experts with the cap, but just not now?
It actually makes total sense based on positional and market dynamics. It also involves factors such as teams that don't need RBs and the offenses they run.
RB catches are not what they used to a useful metric either - lot of defenses give up the underneath dump off/check-down catches to RBs.
I hear ya Sammo. But Your Schoen, building a team. What package do you prefer for the same $27mm
Barkley(12.5), Pollard(7), Slayton(6) AND Hodgins(1)
Vs
Davis(13) and Mooney(13)?
Sure, Mooney could bust out for 80 catches again, but Barkley could just as easily get 1,400 plus 75 catches himself. Both unlikley.
He's fools gold, and that's a big reason why NYG have been in the dumpster.
PS. I saw him play in Happy Valley many times, he was an often 'nicked' - one trick pony as he was here.
I think you've made a few interesting points but you totally lost me with your comment that Saquon Barkley is, "...a big reason why NYG have been in the dumpster." The Giants were 3-13 in 2017, a year before he was drafted, not to mention back-to-back 6-10 seasons in 2014 & 2015. The Giants have sucked for so long due to lousy draft choices, overwhelming bad luck on the injury front, terrible Free Agent decisions and lousy coaching. To say Saquon Barkley is the reason for the endless suck just doesn't hold up.
Contracts "look" better but the players still need to perform which is the most important piece of it. Joe has done less than average in FA moves since he has been here, while doing good things with draft picks. The Burns move was a nice and good bonus move for his grading. Using a 2nd rder on a young and semi proven player trending upward /w good injury history vs a 2nd on a rookie unknown. The 5th next year is window dressing. We'll see how the OL moves pan out. But he also gets a chance to improve his grading if the OL coach improves the play of Neal, JMS and OG play in general.
I understand fans hoping he does good except for against us, I don't. The only time I want the Eagles do well, is if they are playing a game that would benefit the NY Giants if they win.
Yeah? You'd take 8 games of Barkley over a full season of a good WR? I wouldn't. Not to mention the fact that SB turns 28 next year and you know he's going to fall off a cliff like all RBs do at that age.
Barkley is a much better and more valuable player than any of them. Barkley makes a much greater impact on the game than any of those guys and analysts/media destroy teams for paying RB’s but you don’t really hear a peep with these receiver contracts.
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We all know it's a passing league, etc.
But who would take Davis and Mooney over Barkley and Pollard combos?
Yet Barkley and Pollard will cost $6mm a year LESS as a combo than the pair of WR's.
Even more ironic is Barkley is good for 40/50 catches a year, and Pollard is good for 30+ himself.
While Davis si good fo 40 catches and Mooney probably 50-60.
Two very good RBs who catch passes for $6mm less than two erratic WRs.
It actually makes total sense based on positional and market dynamics. It also involves factors such as teams that don't need RBs and the offenses they run.
RB catches are not what they used to a useful metric either - lot of defenses give up the underneath dump off/check-down catches to RBs.
Actualy it doesn't make sense to the context of this thread. Barkley led a team to the playoffs and a playoff win. Mooney is none of that. Can never be anythig near that.
Nearly all teams need a running game to be effective in the playoffs with passing unless you are Mahomes.
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I’ll take Barkley over Mooney or Gabe Davis every day if the week and twice on Sundays. Calvin Ridley could be a dud too, wouldn’t rule that out.
Yeah? You'd take 8 games of Barkley over a full season of a good WR? I wouldn't. Not to mention the fact that SB turns 28 next year and you know he's going to fall off a cliff like all RBs do at that age.
The thread is talking about worst pickups and the comparison between Barkley and Mooney has arisen.
It's clear with your post that you haven't been following the Giants these past 3 years because if you have you wouldn't mention "8 games." He has played 43 games the past 3 years averaging over 14 per year.
Please explain why you've twisted this into "8 games?"