The outcome of the Jones contract sucks. If you want to blame it all on Schoen and Daboll fine. I don't want to rehash that. It is possible for Daboll and Schoen to course correct and recover (the 49ers drafted Trey Lance).
Year 1 we win a playoff game that nobody had on their bingo card coming into the season. Daboll is coach of the year.
Year 2 things didn't go our way. Andrew Thomas is hurt the first game of the year. Schoen admittedly did not invest as much in the Oline as maybe he should have. There was the Jones debacle with his play and injuries. Some of Daboll's in game coaching decisions were questionable. On the positive side, it is clear Daboll got the most out of Devito. There was the Wink drama. Daboll is now a micromanaging a***hole and that is bad because micro managing a***hole coaches don't win championships, except when they do.
I'd argue that Schoen and Daboll are at least league average in their respective jobs, which is better than Gettleman and the other head coaches we have hired over the last decade.
When Schoen/Daboll see an area of need with the roster they at least appear to try to address it. Last year we signed Okereke to improve the LBs. We recently signed more Olineman to bolster the line. Our mid round draft picks under Schoen are contributing and have not completely disappeared. And the scholarship era for draft picks is over. It does appear that they actually do believe in competition and letting the best players play.
There has been no QB sneaks on 3rd and long or smug arrogant comments making fun of analytics.
Do we really want to run these guys out of town and run the risk of the Mara family hiring new people?
For as bad as DG was as GM. He did draft Thomas and Lawrence, two top players at their positions and possibly HOFers.
Schoen's drafts have been Meh despite high picks. No one has performed at their draft level except maybe a late guy or 2.
Daboll went from Genius to idiot from season 1 to season 2. Inconsistency in coaching, going for it at some points then not going for it with the game on the line. Players are not developing in the system. Year 1 draftees were not improved year 2.
These are both rookie coach and GM so I dont mind a little learning curve but year 3 needs to see the year 1 draft class perform, not just Neal. Year 2 drafted players need to advance, we cant have Banks repeat year 1 which was good not great, he needs to be great. JMS needs to take a leap.
On Schoen is the OL, if this unit sucks after all the resources they poured in for 3 years he needs to go. his evaluation of OL talent will be about as bad as it gets if they fail again. He cant blame the previous regime, they gave him Thomas.
Year 3 is put up or get out for me from an overall talent level. Show improvement or it's time to try a new GM.
KT and Banks haven’t performed to their draft level? Really?
Since when can you fully evaluate a draft class after a year or two?
Odd
Do you watch the games?
Yikes
Side note….Bellinger did regress in year 2
Young retires and Ernie takes over in 1996.
Fassel is hired we make the playoffs in 1997 with Danny Kannell. Suck for 2 years. Sign Kerry Collins. 2000 Super Bowl!
2002 Shockey draft, playoffs. Horrible loss to SF.
2003 4-12. Everybody fired except Ernie.
Coughlin hired. Manning trade. Collins cut. 2006 Ernie retires, Reese is hired. 42. 46. Great time to be Giants fan!
2014 OBJ! The catch! 2015 Coughlin “ retires “. 2016 McAdoo hired, playoffs! The boat trip…..tripped over our dicks in GB.
2017 Gino replaces a healthy Eli. Reese is fired! McAdoo is fired. Gettleman is hired with Shurmur. Barkley is drafted in 2018. Eli given a shot to turn things around. Didn’t work.
2019 Jones drafted. Eli Benched. Eli retires. Shurmur fired.
2020 Joe Judge hired. Finally get a Left Tackle.
2021 judge Fired. Gettleman “ retires “.
2022 Schoen is hired. Daboll is hired. Giants go to the playoffs and win their first playoff game in 11 years!
2023. Jones re-signed, Barkley tagged. Wheels fall off in Dallas. Injury plagued season. DeVito provides 3 game win streak and Giant fans experience fun but also pulling hair out because we want the first pick in the draft.
2024. Schoen and Daboll on hot seat with the fans. Giants need to get rid of Jones and draft a new QB, but a good one, the right one, not the wrong one or Daboll, who coached a mediocre Giants team to their first playoff win in 11 years might lose his job. Joe Schoen, who drafted a pass rushing OLB in the first round, first since 1984, might lose his job if the Giants suck in 2024.
Yesterday’s NFL compared to the NFL of today.
Patience is a virtue…..and is becoming extinct.
Schoen has a lot of work to do. The pressure is on to solve the QB mess he created.
With Dabs, at least he has COTY and deserves credit for leading a bad roster to a playoff win. But he really seemed to undo all that goodwill last year. So few 2+ score wins in his tenure, with a shitload of blowout losses.
What has Schoen proven? Does he deserve credit for extending AT and Dex? His drafts are too recent to judge, but the Neal pick is looking dubious at best.
He has the distinction of being the only GM to extend a quarterback after not picking up the 5th-year option—a move that now looks atrocious. It will look even worse if he uses the 6th overall pick to replace that player one year later. Even though that's likely the best move.
We'll see if spending a high 2nd round pick and $150M on an edge rusher will make a difference to a team that should be in a total rebuild.
I've said this before... it's not even certain he's an upgrade over Gettleman at this point.
pick and $150M on an edge rusher will make a difference to a team that should be in a total rebuild.
In regard to Burns-- he is 25 April 26h. That still is fine for a rebuild imo. But ofc Burns has to produce.
As for Joe...let's face it...the Jones contract is an absolute albatross & looking like one of the worst contracts in awhile. & while we might never know if John gave an edict for DJ to be brought back, Joe is the GM so he'll be tagged as the one responsible, whether that's fair or not. His drafts have been alright...nothing speculator. He needs to start putting pelts on the wall when it comes to that. His OL signings prior to this offseason-which are TBD-were whiffs. The Okerke signing was a good one & we've had some good pickups like Pinnock & Gunner. I thought he fleeced Seattle with the Leo trade. But he needs to hit on the QB to replace Jones.
As for Joe...let's face it...the Jones contract is an absolute albatross & looking like one of the worst contracts in awhile. & while we might never know if John gave an edict for DJ to be brought back, Joe is the GM so he'll be tagged as the one responsible, whether that's fair or not. His drafts have been alright...nothing speculator. He needs to start putting pelts on the wall when it comes to that. His OL signings prior to this offseason-which are TBD-were whiffs. The Okerke signing was a good one & we've had some good pickups like Pinnock & Gunner. I thought he fleeced Seattle with the Leo trade. But he needs to hit on the QB to replace Jones.
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