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| John Frascella (Football) @LegendSports7 BREAKING: While it’s come out that the Giants are upset someone leaked the JJ McCarthy story, my source tells me they were even more interested in Jayden Daniels. However, it has become clear to the Giants that Daniels is DEFINITELY going in the top 3 of the NFL Draft, thus their attention turned completely to McCarthy. |
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| Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL Can confirm both items here. |
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Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 21h Or maybe there's a disconnect.Maybe the general manager wants the quarterback and the coach wants the receiver And maybe that's why it got leaked. |
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| Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 1h Rift is a strong word. People can disagree on who they should draft without their being a rift. |
Sure, they might disagree on who to pick, but the implication that it was leaked to force Schoen's hand is ludicrous
That's why I put speculation in all caps in the title to hopefully avoid confusion. And my initial read was Allbright just suggesting a scenario where a GM and a HC might have a reason to use media leaks to advance their respective preference among the fanbase.
But that last tweet I added about there not being a rift per se, that one was in response to another fan interpreting his previous note as a rift between JS and BD, and it would have been an opportunity for Allbright to walk back his previous speculation with a clarification that he wasn't suggesting that Schoen and/or Daboll in particular had leaked conflicting preferences. Instead, he simply clarified on the extent of the disagreement.
Allbright's batting average on this sort of stuff isn't anywhere near the top-end insiders, but he's not completely out of the loop, either.
Just thought I'd share the rumor. Hopefully no one takes it as fact.
I want the HC to pick his players; and the GM (and his staff) to organize personnel options and work on contracts/cap.
If this is true, I'm okay with differing opinions. Just as long as the HC has final say.
Oh and this is the best receiver draft in recent memory where we have an enormous need.
I want the HC to pick his players; and the GM (and his staff) to organize personnel options and work on contracts/cap.
If this is true, I'm okay with differing opinions. Just as long as the HC has final say.
Disagree totally.
Daboll and Schoen will be on same page on draft day.....
The problem is that even if you assume that Daboll is convinced that Jones isn't the answer, he still may not be high on any of the QBs that the Giants have a reasonable chance of drafting.
Agreed. I can't recall a situation as the NFL level where the HC showed such disdain towards his QB.
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Someone else is thinking, but I have a hard time believing Brian Daboll is okay with tying his head coaching future to a hobbled Daniel Jones and Drew Lock at QB.
The problem is that even if you assume that Daboll is convinced that Jones isn't the answer, he still may not be high on any of the QBs that the Giants have a reasonable chance of drafting.
They offered Drew Lock more money than Russell Wilson. Think about it.
That said, I could totally see a disconnect. Giants football baby!
I need a beer.
This doesn’t pass the sniff test for me. They definitely like McCarthy but the media noise is so over the top i’m thinking its a smokescreen.
At this point they can’t hide the interest they’ve shown in drafting a QB, what they can attempt to do is misdirect the media.
They’ve visited UNC multiple times and yet the noise is on McCarthy, attending Williams pro day, now they apparently love Daniels….lots of chatter but very little on Drake Maye. Thats what I notice.
Maye is most similar to Allen coming out, seeing & influencing Allen’s growth makes me believe he’s the guy this regime wants.
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Someone else is thinking, but I have a hard time believing Brian Daboll is okay with tying his head coaching future to a hobbled Daniel Jones and Drew Lock at QB.
The problem is that even if you assume that Daboll is convinced that Jones isn't the answer, he still may not be high on any of the QBs that the Giants have a reasonable chance of drafting.
They offered Drew Lock more money than Russell Wilson. Think about it.
Why do you think that is? I promise ot not what you're implying.
That would be mot aligned on position. I call BS. They both want QB.
if dabs wants a guy and they can get them, i expect they will.
if he gets the call wrong and they lose he will be gone and schoen will pick the next qb with the next coach.
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Someone else is thinking, but I have a hard time believing Brian Daboll is okay with tying his head coaching future to a hobbled Daniel Jones and Drew Lock at QB.
The problem is that even if you assume that Daboll is convinced that Jones isn't the answer, he still may not be high on any of the QBs that the Giants have a reasonable chance of drafting.
They offered Drew Lock more money than Russell Wilson. Think about it.
Why do you think that is? I promise ot not what you're implying.
I’m implying it was because they’re going to draft someone and they didn’t want a “me first” and “I’m bigger than the team” personality around them like Russell Wilson.
They wanted someone okay with sitting on the bench.
If Schoen was truly upset about this leak then obviously he really likes McCarthy. That's about the only speculation to take away from it, or it was fake news. Two options, this speculation is just stupid.
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Someone else is thinking, but I have a hard time believing Brian Daboll is okay with tying his head coaching future to a hobbled Daniel Jones and Drew Lock at QB.
The problem is that even if you assume that Daboll is convinced that Jones isn't the answer, he still may not be high on any of the QBs that the Giants have a reasonable chance of drafting.
They offered Drew Lock more money than Russell Wilson. Think about it.
Why do you think that is? I promise ot not what you're implying.
I’m implying it was because they’re going to draft someone and they didn’t want a “me first” and “I’m bigger than the team” personality around them like Russell Wilson.
They wanted someone okay with sitting on the bench.
Any money Russell receives in NFL contracts this year offsets the money Denver is already obligated to pay him out. He signed for the minimum because signing for more than the minimum means nothing. It's not a statement of what the Giants think of him. It's simply a difference of fit. He wants to start so he can get a real contract when the Denver payout is complete.
Let me tell something, most GMs aren't any better than coaches.
I want my coach to make the shopping list and cook the groceries.
The GM can go to the store and pick up what I want.
Is it with a trade up for the 4th QB? Stay at 6 and hope or is the smoke that they like a QB to force a team to trade up so they get their WR if you know you’re not getting your QB.
With a trade up, there really isn’t a whole lot of cap space to add enough players other than vet minimum guys. If the Giants trade up to 3 they add $1.4 million to the 2024 cap. $1 mil at pick 4 and $700k at 5. If the give up pick 47 it only saves $1.4 mil. So trading our 1st and 2nd rounder to 3 is a was salary cap wise. But if you think about it, in the 2nd round you are still supposed to get a starter as we have for the last several years. We have done poorly in the 3rd round.
They will get this done
WR is the safer move at 6
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b/c most NFL head coaches are closer to Nick Siranni then Andy Reid.
Let me tell something, most GMs aren't any better than coaches.
I want my coach to make the shopping list and cook the groceries.
The GM can go to the store and pick up what I want.
I would lean that a Coach is probably decent at making a shopping list for the here & now. A good GM should be making the shopping list that brings in full consideration of medium and longer-term roster building.
Is relevance an indicator of falsehood?
I agree that it's speculative, but that alone doesn't necessarily preclude accuracy. Nor does it prove accuracy, to be fair, which is why I asked why an attempt to remain relevant (which is your speculation) seems to suggest - for you - a reflection of the credibility of the report.
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And this is how a guy like Allbright stays relevant
Is relevance an indicator of falsehood?
I agree that it's speculative, but that alone doesn't necessarily preclude accuracy. Nor does it prove accuracy, to be fair, which is why I asked why an attempt to remain relevant (which is your speculation) seems to suggest - for you - a reflection of the credibility of the report.
Our boy ryan has a history of disregarding the messenger every single time he doesn’t like the message. I’m not saying this is true or isn’t, I have no idea. Neither does anyone else on BBI. But being open minded on new information has never been Ryan’s strong suit. If he likes the info, it must be true. If he doesn’t, the messenger doesn’t know shit
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b/c most NFL head coaches are closer to Nick Siranni then Andy Reid.
Let me tell something, most GMs aren't any better than coaches.
I want my coach to make the shopping list and cook the groceries.
The GM can go to the store and pick up what I want.
The GM and Coach need to work in tandem. Part of the GM’s job is to also save the HC from himself. It is too easy to get tunnel vision on one unit, think like a fantasy football owner, etc. The GM needs to be looking at the big picture while getting the types of players the HC wants.
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Someone else is thinking, but I have a hard time believing Brian Daboll is okay with tying his head coaching future to a hobbled Daniel Jones and Drew Lock at QB.
The problem is that even if you assume that Daboll is convinced that Jones isn't the answer, he still may not be high on any of the QBs that the Giants have a reasonable chance of drafting.
They offered Drew Lock more money than Russell Wilson. Think about it.
Why do you think that is? I promise ot not what you're implying.
I’m implying it was because they’re going to draft someone and they didn’t want a “me first” and “I’m bigger than the team” personality around them like Russell Wilson.
They wanted someone okay with sitting on the bench.
Any money Russell receives in NFL contracts this year offsets the money Denver is already obligated to pay him out. He signed for the minimum because signing for more than the minimum means nothing. It's not a statement of what the Giants think of him. It's simply a difference of fit. He wants to start so he can get a real contract when the Denver payout is complete.
To my point, if the Giants wanted him they would have found a way to get him in here. With respect to the terms of this years contract, they could have offered him a longer contract that balloons up if they really wanted him.
The probability is that this meeting was at the request of Mara who has a personal relationship with Russ, and he was never in the offseason plans for Schoen/Daboll which center around drafting someone. Maybe I’m wrong, but will find out in just over a month.
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Someone else is thinking, but I have a hard time believing Brian Daboll is okay with tying his head coaching future to a hobbled Daniel Jones and Drew Lock at QB.
The problem is that even if you assume that Daboll is convinced that Jones isn't the answer, he still may not be high on any of the QBs that the Giants have a reasonable chance of drafting.
They offered Drew Lock more money than Russell Wilson. Think about it.
Why do you think that is? I promise ot not what you're implying.
I’m implying it was because they’re going to draft someone and they didn’t want a “me first” and “I’m bigger than the team” personality around them like Russell Wilson.
They wanted someone okay with sitting on the bench.
Any money Russell receives in NFL contracts this year offsets the money Denver is already obligated to pay him out. He signed for the minimum because signing for more than the minimum means nothing. It's not a statement of what the Giants think of him. It's simply a difference of fit. He wants to start so he can get a real contract when the Denver payout is complete.
To my point, if the Giants wanted him they would have found a way to get him in here. With respect to the terms of this years contract, they could have offered him a longer contract that balloons up if they really wanted him.
The probability is that this meeting was at the request of Mara who has a personal relationship with Russ, and he was never in the offseason plans for Schoen/Daboll which center around drafting someone. Maybe I’m wrong, but will find out in just over a month.
No. Russell Wilson wants a chance at another SB to improve his legacy and chances at the HOF. It is simple.
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Someone else is thinking, but I have a hard time believing Brian Daboll is okay with tying his head coaching future to a hobbled Daniel Jones and Drew Lock at QB.
The problem is that even if you assume that Daboll is convinced that Jones isn't the answer, he still may not be high on any of the QBs that the Giants have a reasonable chance of drafting.
They offered Drew Lock more money than Russell Wilson. Think about it.
Why do you think that is? I promise ot not what you're implying.
I’m implying it was because they’re going to draft someone and they didn’t want a “me first” and “I’m bigger than the team” personality around them like Russell Wilson.
They wanted someone okay with sitting on the bench.
Any money Russell receives in NFL contracts this year offsets the money Denver is already obligated to pay him out. He signed for the minimum because signing for more than the minimum means nothing. It's not a statement of what the Giants think of him. It's simply a difference of fit. He wants to start so he can get a real contract when the Denver payout is complete.
To my point, if the Giants wanted him they would have found a way to get him in here. With respect to the terms of this years contract, they could have offered him a longer contract that balloons up if they really wanted him.
The probability is that this meeting was at the request of Mara who has a personal relationship with Russ, and he was never in the offseason plans for Schoen/Daboll which center around drafting someone. Maybe I’m wrong, but will find out in just over a month.
Why would he choose a team in the middle of a rebuild vs a team that nearly won a playoff game with terrible QB play and an elite defense? If Russel Wilson played really well they could absolutely compete in the playoffs and who knows what could happen with Tomlin and that defense with a solid offense and good quarterback play.
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Someone else is thinking, but I have a hard time believing Brian Daboll is okay with tying his head coaching future to a hobbled Daniel Jones and Drew Lock at QB.
The problem is that even if you assume that Daboll is convinced that Jones isn't the answer, he still may not be high on any of the QBs that the Giants have a reasonable chance of drafting.
They offered Drew Lock more money than Russell Wilson. Think about it.
Why do you think that is? I promise ot not what you're implying.
I’m implying it was because they’re going to draft someone and they didn’t want a “me first” and “I’m bigger than the team” personality around them like Russell Wilson.
They wanted someone okay with sitting on the bench.
Any money Russell receives in NFL contracts this year offsets the money Denver is already obligated to pay him out. He signed for the minimum because signing for more than the minimum means nothing. It's not a statement of what the Giants think of him. It's simply a difference of fit. He wants to start so he can get a real contract when the Denver payout is complete.
To my point, if the Giants wanted him they would have found a way to get him in here. With respect to the terms of this years contract, they could have offered him a longer contract that balloons up if they really wanted him.
You're not paying enough attention to the idea that players choose where they want to sign. Pittsburgh is a plug and play situation for a veteran QB that gives him a better chance to succeed immediately, and is a possibility for a long-term relationship. The Giants are not this attractive destination for that.
Money wasn't the factor here.
im sure pitt communicated their plans re fields and gave rw some assurances, but thats a very different player to have looking over your shoulder than a rookie.
If Wilson goes out in 2024 behind Pittsburgh's offensive line and with Pittsburgh's WRs and defense and has a good season, he will likely have a roomful of potential suitors, and Pittsburgh will be among them. After washing out with Pickett, they want stability at the position. Fields is a scratch off lottery ticket.
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