Go all in. Trade up for Williams!

So give the Bears our our 2023, 2024, 2025 first round picks plus some 2nd and 3rd rounders?

and unlike 2004 the Giants aren’t in a spot to nab a QB like Rivers at 6. In fact, all four high ranked QB’s would likely be gone by 6.

Keep dreaming.

Takes two to tango. Chicago is taking Caleb.

In comment 16443888 Eric from BBI said:

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So give the Bears our our 2023, 2024, 2025 first round picks plus some 2nd and 3rd rounders?

I don’t think it would cost that much. The value chat has the first overall pick at 3000 points.

Currently the Giants have the 6th pick at 1600 points.

Figure a 2024 3rd at 240 points a 2025 first and third or 4th would get it done no? Or is my Math off?

I seriously doubt only one extra 1st rounder will get us up to #1, regardless of what any chart says.

It's probably going to take an extra 1st rounder just to move up to #3.

Beyond all of that, as pointed out above, the Bears traded away their QB.

If Chicago were open to trading, it'd be a bidding war. If they're not bowled over by an offer, they can tell the Giants (or another team) to pound sand.

In comment 16443897 Amc825 said:

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In comment 16443888 Eric from BBI said: Quote: So give the Bears our our 2023, 2024, 2025 first round picks plus some 2nd and 3rd rounders? I don’t think it would cost that much. The value chat has the first overall pick at 3000 points. Currently the Giants have the 6th pick at 1600 points. Figure a 2024 3rd at 240 points a 2025 first and third or 4th would get it done no? Or is my Math off?

For every year in the future teams value it as 1 round in the future. So teams view 2025 1st like a 2024 2nd unless they know for sure you will suck.

The #1 overall pick and drop to 6 where they won’t even get one of the top 4 QBs??? Tell me how that makes sense for the Bears? Who’s gonna be their QB?

Let’s play your delusional scenario out… If they were to do it, get rid of the numbers chart. Think 1st rd picks in 24,25,26. 2nd rd pick this year at the minimum.

Now back to Earth… Chicago is not trading out of that spot under an circumstances once they traded Fields.

As the saying goes, “It takes two to tango,” and the Bears have only one tango in mind and that’s with Caleb Williams.

Is trade to 3 with NE. Then trade to 1. A ton of assets. But if the bears liked two of the other 3 enough that would be the possibility.

In for a inch.....in for a pound.

I rather not trade up......but if they do....a mistake can not happen

Unless the Giants did a stupid Saints/Ditka trade there is no chance.

So they could trade the first pick. Great id a

I would pay a high price to get to #1.

I want my GM and coach to have it.

IF they answered all their questions and said, this is a once in a decade guy.

I would trade 4 this year and 3 more years of 1s and some 2s.

I could be that confident.

I need to be certain how the motherfucker is going to handle adversity in N.Y.

It will happen.

I don’t think CW is ultimately a clean enough prospect. Ceiling is high but bust potential is high.

He is not "CLEARLY" the best QB in the draft. No one knows who is and no one will probably know for a year or two, or even longer.

Plus, the Bears aren't trading the number one pick. After trading Fields you think there's any chance of that happening.

AND.... yeah let's trade all of our assets for a QB and leave him with this joke of a receiving corps... lol

In comment 16443897 Amc825 said:

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Or is my Math off?

yes, your math is off. What your calculations are not factoring is the Bears just traded away their QB. They need a franchise QB in this draft. They WILL draft they guy they believe is a fit for them regardless of what we may be offering. They just learned what can happen if they do not have the right QB.

If they Giants were sitting in the #1 position here, I would NOT want them to trade down.

I assume Daniel Jones is the centerpiece of the trade?

In comment 16443938 Thegratefulhead said:

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I want my GM and coach to have it. IF they answered all their questions and said, this is a once in a decade guy. I would trade 4 this year and 3 more years of 1s and some 2s. I could be that confident. I need to be certain how the motherfucker is going to handle adversity in N.Y. It will happen. I don’t think CW is ultimately a clean enough prospect. Ceiling is high but bust potential is high.

Bust potential is low with Williams as he has tremendous talent and traits to lean on.

If I am one of those teams and I feel the QBs are going to be stars I don't trade...PERIOD!

In comment 16443955 widmerseyebrow said:

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I assume Daniel Jones is the centerpiece of the trade?

Jones has no value and therefore isn't the centerpiece of any serious trade.

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In comment 16443974 Anakim said:

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What does the trade chart say?

ended when they officially gave up on Fields.

Don’t be surprised if Daniels is the first pick in the draft. The biggest knock on him is his weight. Easily correctable with a NFL strength and weight program. His release is elite, explosive runner and high character guy.

Chicago is one of the old school franchises (eg Steelers, giants) where character matters as the player face of the franchise.

they are getting whoever their QB1 is.

In comment 16443965 Darwinian said:

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Jones has no value and therefore isn't the centerpiece of any serious trade.

Are you sure?

In comment 16444000 widmerseyebrow said:

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In comment 16443965 Darwinian said: Quote: Jones has no value and therefore isn't the centerpiece of any serious trade. Are you sure?

Negative equity. He isn’t going anywhere absent a Brock Osweiller type salary cap dump move.

if we still have people who think I'm being serious.

In comment 16444010 widmerseyebrow said:

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if we still have people who think I'm being serious.

I was wondering if you were being sarcastic, but you got me! Shame!

I really get the feeling Chicago believes he is special too. Unless KC or Buffalo is trading for him, no offer will be enough. Bears deserve a gem at QB. Good for that city.

And it's not some foregone conclusion that he will be the best QB from this draft, personally I don't think he will be. The next month will be spent with fans blabbering about Williams, Maye, and Daniels, all of whom, I suspect will go 1, 2, 3 and we won't have a chance to take. Washington isn't trading the pick and I highly doubt NE will either.

And NE to 6 is more likely than us trading up to 1, and the 4 way trade is basically 0% chance. That's how much of a chance I see us trading up to 1.

"Clearly Williams is the top QB in the draft by some margin"

I don't think he is, and I don't think he's close.

But what I think isn't important. The term "top QB in the draft", or "top 3 QBs in the draft" gets thrown around a lot, like it was meaningful.

None of these "top QBs" have played a down in the NFL. History shows (and there have been a lot of posts recently making the point) that being a "top QB in the draft" and being a top QB in NFL life don't mean the same thing at all.

I'm terrified that Williams will drop because of his arrogance and immaturity, and that the Giants' FO will take him to make fans happy, or worse, that they will trade away their future to get the next Ryan Leaf.

Is all that?

In comment 16444090 Giant John said:

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Is all that?

His tape. Elite traits.

The Ricky Williams trade was between the Saints and Washington Redskins. Mike Ditka of the Saints wanted to move up from 12 to select RB Ricky Williams.

Ditka traded every pick the Saints had in the 1999 draft, plus two of its first three picks in the 2000 NFL Draft, for the fifth overall pick: Williams.

The Saints struggled in the 1999 season, and Ditka was fired. Williams played for the Saints for three seasons before he was traded to the Miami Dolphins.

Ditka was as sure about his Williams as the OP is sure about his Williams, and yet...

In comment 16443954 DefenseWins said:

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In comment 16443897 Amc825 said: Quote: Or is my Math off? yes, your math is off. What your calculations are not factoring is the Bears just traded away their QB. They need a franchise QB in this draft. They WILL draft they guy they believe is a fit for them regardless of what we may be offering. They just learned what can happen if they do not have the right QB. If they Giants were sitting in the #1 position here, I would NOT want them to trade down.

PLUS and this was a BIG PLUS was that Eli wanted to play for the Giants and forced the Chargers to trade him to NY. If CW only wanted to play for the Giants then maybe your math could be right.

To the QB room on their own terms. If any of Penix or Rattler is there in the 2nd round that would be great value. Nix, Milton, Pratt day 3. Jones, Lock, Penix jr. Is a decent QB room.

no one on BBI makes personnel decisions

The Giants traded for Eli and already on their roster had

Shockey
Tiki
Toomer
Hilliard

They have nothing close to that at any position and you want to trade all these picks

A large reason many QBs fail as early picks is their supporting cast is awful. Giving up years of picks ensures you can’t get top level talent around said QB

This is a great example of the problem with the strategy of putting it off until next year. Right now our options are limited and some people think it's a given we could move up from 12-18 after we finish building the team

I don’t see anyone in this draft class who justifies all those picks. Williams may be worth 2 first rounders and a few more chips, but that’s it.

to trade for Manning. The Giants would have been better off not making the trade and drafting Ben Roethlisberger who was a better QB. They would have saved themselves a 2004 third-round pick, a 2005 first-round pick, and a 2005 fifth-round pick.

That said, I would make a deal for Maye if the price is not exorbitant, otherwise I would use the 6th selection to draft the best available player and possibly trade up, if needed, and draft Nix.

Not to mention some teams that are presently drafting behind us. It will not happen and if it did, would cost too much.

In comment 16444411 stretch234 said:

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The Giants traded for Eli and already on their roster had Shockey Tiki Toomer Hilliard They have nothing close to that at any position and you want to trade all these picks A large reason many QBs fail as early picks is their supporting cast is awful. Giving up years of picks ensures you can’t get top level talent around said QB

I think the Giants should have kept Rivers. There, I said it.

you have a chance to move up to #1, but Chicago is 100% going QB so why would they trade out for any price rather than have their pick of best QB. Yes trade up, BUT they say no at all prices. Same with Washington... They aren't moving and it is crazy of NE to think about moving because they also need a QB badly. Because they also need a QB badly the cost to move to 3 would be double the price it would normally cost. Just bad luck that we pick 6 and the top 3 teams also want a QB.