What happens if the Giants are locked out of the top 4 QBs?

If we are trying to trade up to 3 for JJM, if the reports he is our guy are true, then what difference does it make if we trade the same package for him at 4? Pick 11, 47 and a 2025 1st for pick 4. If he is the target and Maye goes 3rd to the Patriots then I'd assume Schoen would offer the same package to the Cardinals and if they didn't want to trade down he would offer a similar package to the Chargers if they were going to deal down with the Vikings. I don't think Schoen is equally high on JJM and Maye. It's one or the other imo, and if his guy is there at 4 or 5 he will be willing to pay dam near the same amount for that QB at 4 or 5 as he would at 3. Only way I think we don't get a QB is if the Patriots take the same player whether that be JJM or Maye. Otherwise, if Schdabka want the QB the Patriots don't take we get him.


The only way I see us not getting the QB they want is if the Patriots don't want to trade down and take the guy we want. Then, Schoen will go to backup plan and won't trade up for the 4th guy whom he doesn't have complete conviction

JJM/Maye at 3 or trading down, like a 3 way tie it seems. I know the fans opinions don't matter, but I found it interesting that so many of them want to take JJM at 3.

It's basically JJM or Maye at 3 or trade down with us (most people seem to want Alt at 6).

for next year.

In comment 16444192 BigBlueCane said:

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for next year.

We would be unlikely to get a massive haul like for a QB but maybe someone really wants Alt or Nabers or Odunze and trades a lot for him. I think multiple trade downs BB style would be the best route to accumulate picks without a QB on the board. I think I'd prefer to take Odunze or Nabers over a series of trade downs unless we were lucky and a team wanted to trade a lot for Odunze/Alt/Nabers.

and draft qb later. If they need to, draft qb again next year.

Dont overpay when your team is in need of major reinforcements on offense. yes qb is vital. But they can look at trading up for nix or penix versus a ransom for jj.

In comment 16444208 hassan said:

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and draft qb later. If they need to, draft qb again next year. Dont overpay when your team is in need of major reinforcements on offense. yes qb is vital. But they can look at trading up for nix or penix versus a ransom for jj.

If they think JJM is the guy and they turn out to be right, pick 6, 47 and a 2025 1st plus 3rd is nothing. What you don't do is overpay for a guy you just feel good about. You have to have complete conviction and if you do, you do everything you can to get him. If the Patriots simply won't budge and take your guy, then you don't settle by trading up for the next best guy. So, it really comes down to how they view JJM and Maye, plus how NE views them.

https://theathletic.com/5250162/2024/02/06/broncos-sean-payton-qb-draft-trades-mahomes/

Mostly does not work, it has worked well in case of mahomes and eli.

In comment 16444212 hassan said:

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https://theathletic.com/5250162/2024/02/06/broncos-sean-payton-qb-draft-trades-mahomes/ Mostly does not work, it has worked well in case of mahomes and eli.

And Josh Allen?

In comment 16444212 hassan said:

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https://theathletic.com/5250162/2024/02/06/broncos-sean-payton-qb-draft-trades-mahomes/ Mostly does not work, it has worked well in case of mahomes and eli.

And Lamar Jackson? Unless you're just talking about top 10 tradeups for QBs.

the question was if they are locked out........

I said dont pay a ransom anyway. What you suggested is not a terrible cost, id consider it if they are convinced. But look at the article i posted. Trade ups are usually not successful.

In comment 16444215 hassan said:

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the question was if they are locked out........ I said dont pay a ransom anyway. What you suggested is not a terrible cost, id consider it if they are convinced. But look at the article i posted. Trade ups are usually not successful.

I don't have an athletic subscription and it's behind their pay wall sadly.

mahomes and eli have the lions share of playoff wins and SBs. Allen yes is a decent example, Jackson is probably more akin to trading up for penix or nix anyway.

Point is, it mostly does not work. Giants will do well to draft a qb no doubt and create competition.

and not surrender excessive draft capital. It is inexcusable they have not drafted qb since 19. They should always be drafting qb.

The 4th qb at #6. Go get the best player available.

In comment 16444221 hassan said:

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and not surrender excessive draft capital. It is inexcusable they have not drafted qb since 19. They should always be drafting qb.

Yeah I agree with that and on that note. I think the Giants probably only have interest in trading up for Daniels and JJM or Maye. It's highly unlikely they have complete conviction in all 3. And with that said, I really think the only way we don't get a QB is if the Patriots take the guy we wanted at 3 (whether that be JJM or Maye) otherwise we will be able to make a better offer than the Vikings if it's for the guy we want. Or we don't have complete conviction in any of the qbs available via trade. If we have complete conviction in a qb available via trade the Vikings can't beat us as we have pick 6 in a draft with 7-8 blue chip players. They simply can't beat that.

Giants cannot come away without a QB Daboll feels he can develop. Jones is a dumb as a tree stump and blind as a bat. He does not read the defense pre-snap and he does not see the field post snap . That will never change. Maybe a slight trade back but I would not take the chance .

Ensure you have the ammo to get your guy in ‘25.

I would look for trade down partner. I have zero concern losing out one of the so called "big three" WRs.

Thomas, Jr is just as talented as any of those three if we were to get pick in the middle of the first round and he were available.

Or go OL. I would take Fuaga in a heartbeat. Very good multiple OL prospect.

In comment 16444265 bw in dc said:

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I would look for trade down partner. I have zero concern losing out one of the so called "big three" WRs. Thomas, Jr is just as talented as any of those three if we were to get pick in the middle of the first round and he were available. Or go OL. I would take Fuaga in a heartbeat. Very good multiple OL prospect.

We would have to take Brian Thomas before picks 14-17 imo he won't make it past the Saints and Jaguars. 17 is the absolute latest. Maybe the Jaguars would trade us a haul for Odunze or Nabers? 2nd and future 1st maybe more if they loved him. They really need a wr without Ridley.

In comment 16444125 Optimus-NY said:

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LOL

I am actually mentally preparing myself for this scenario.

You can't panic. You adjust.

The Giants could do much worse than take a blue chip WR. You take the WR unless someone blows you way with a trade down offer.

No more RTs in the top 10, they need weapons, desperately.

You guys are going to be surprised how go a pro he will be.

In comment 16444212 hassan said:

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https://theathletic.com/5250162/2024/02/06/broncos-sean-payton-qb-draft-trades-mahomes/ Mostly does not work, it has worked well in case of mahomes and eli.

Probably the most famous one not working is trading up from 3 to 2 for Ryan Leaf.

In comment 16444297 TinVA said:
[quote] You guys are going to be surprised how go a pro he will be. [/quote

I doubt it....has he been successful anywhere?

And then draft TWO QBs in the later rounds.

Take a tremendous talent you like and go from there.

Odunze/Nabers for me if no QB.

In comment 16444383 Sammo85 said:

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Take a tremendous talent you like and go from there. Odunze/Nabers for me if no QB.

This

the next regime.

In comment 16444360 cosmicj said:

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And then draft TWO QBs in the later rounds.

TWO? How about NO. The Giants don't have spare picks to waste taking two back end QBs.

In comment 16444391 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 16444360 cosmicj said: Quote: And then draft TWO QBs in the later rounds. TWO? How about NO. The Giants don't have spare picks to waste taking two back end QBs.

They are lottery tickets for the most important position in sports.

In comment 16444392 cosmicj said:

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In comment 16444391 GFAN52 said: Quote: In comment 16444360 cosmicj said: Quote: And then draft TWO QBs in the later rounds. TWO? How about NO. The Giants don't have spare picks to waste taking two back end QBs. They are lottery tickets for the most important position in sports.

Giants have too many needs to spend two picks on developmental QBs. Not going to happen.

JJ McCarthy will be there at #6 when they are on the clock.

he may have things ranked in different priorities than many think here.

In comment 16444213 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16444212 hassan said: Quote: https://theathletic.com/5250162/2024/02/06/broncos-sean-payton-qb-draft-trades-mahomes/ Mostly does not work, it has worked well in case of mahomes and eli. And Josh Allen?

3 of the best qbs in the league were from trade ups. And once you have one of those guys, you can be a contender for a decade.

What about trade downs? What’s the success rate on those?

To me it all depends how they view the prospect. If they think highly of them, do whatever the cost is to get a franchise qb.

Trade to get back into 1st and take Penix

and i think the odds he ends up taking bo nix at #12 are pretty high (something albright has suggested as well).

if the top 4 QBs go ahead of nyg i think they should take a WR, then consider rolling the dice on penix if the medical pushes him back to the end of round 1.

jordan travis or another day 3 QB is probably a consideration also because why not.

it is crazy how the QBs have elevated in this draft. there have only been a few drafts in the last couple decades with 4 QBs in the top 10 and i dont think any with 4 qbs in the top 6.

In comment 16444518 Paulie Walnuts said:

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Trade to get back into 1st and take Penix

I think that would be a solid move, but I wonder what it would cost? According to the charts our 2nd and 3rd could get us up the 26-30 range. Odunze and Pennix for our 1, 2 and 3 would get me excited. Pennix injury issues are real, but that's why he could be had for a mid round 2nd and 3rd versus a high 1st. I had been thinking Pennix would go round 1, but looking at the draft order I'm not sure I see that. The Raiders nd Broncos wouldn't take him unless via big trade down to trade back into rd2. Other teams after the Broncos are unlikely to take a QB in rd1. I'd absolutely take a chance on Pennix for our 2nd and 3rd.

Im taking Rome Odunze and not looking back. There will be a new crop of QBs in 2025, that we haven’t even heard of yet.

In comment 16444705 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Im taking Rome Odunze and not looking back. There will be a new crop of QBs in 2025, that we haven’t even heard of yet.

Would you trade pick 47 and 70 to move up into the end of rd1 for Pennix?

In comment 16444726 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16444705 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: Im taking Rome Odunze and not looking back. There will be a new crop of QBs in 2025, that we haven’t even heard of yet. Would you trade pick 47 and 70 to move up into the end of rd1 for Pennix?

Not a chance.

Secure a 2 + more.

1. Penix
2. Leggette
2. DT/CB
3. RB/Lb/S

In comment 16444182 JesseS said:

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In comment 16444173 retiredmz said: Quote: "If the first 4 QBs are gone when the Giants Pick"...Schoen and Daboll will be gone ? C'mon...GMs make adjustments just like teams do during a game.. D) Seppuku

That would be a net positive for the gene pool…

Giants have, at worst, their 2nd ranked player of the non QB blue chippers available to them, at best, their top ranked one.

Trust in your scouting process and add a difference maker.

I also think that the Giants have improved at scenario planning under Shoen, and they will have a plan to address QB should this go down.

Trade back and draft Nix. He is going to be the next Drew Brees.

In comment 16444776 Micko said:

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Trade back and draft Nix. He is going to be the next Drew Brees.

If he is a future first ballot HoF’er, why wouldn’t we just pick him at 6???

They may only have a few of them ranked worthy of the 6th pick.

1. pick the best WR.
2. if possible, trade down a little bit and draft the best WR and get another draft pick.
3. best OT--kind of doubt this because we've signed so many OL in free agency.

thing for the Giants if they want to give DJ one more year is if 4 QBs go in the top 5. It allows them to say well damn we tried but had to take Nabers/MHj. Maybe grab a late round QB or move up for Nix/Penix if they start to fall into late 1. The Rattler lovers on this site are crazy. He is small, isn't that good, and is character issue guy. Give me the big, strong armed Milton who is raw and needs work or someone who has improved every year in Michael Pratt.