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What happens if the Giants are locked out of the top 4 QBs?

JoeyBigBlue : 3/23/2024 5:35 pm
Assuming Williams, Daniels, and Maye go 1,2,3 as expected. The Vikings trade up to 5 and take McCarthy. What would you do as the GM of the Giants?

A) Take the best receiver prospect available in Nabers or Odunze

B) Take the next best QB prospect in Nix or Penix

C) Pivot completely and take an Offensive Lineman (Joe Alt)


Keep in mind that trading down will be tough as a top QB prospect will not be available.


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i could see a team...  
BigBlueDawg56 : 3/23/2024 5:40 pm : link
trading up for Alt. Stud left tackles dont grow on tree. many teams need one!
Take Odunze/Nabers.  
bceagle05 : 3/23/2024 5:42 pm : link
A legit #1 WR, a stud 25-year-old edge rusher, and an improved offensive line makes for a solid offseason. Still a bummer though.
I'd say they should draft Odunze or Nabers  
Fishmanjim57 : 3/23/2024 5:43 pm : link
Then if Rattler is available in the 2nd round, go with Rattler, since I doubt Penix or Nix will still be there. I'd hope to get a good OL player in the 3rd rd, and DL in the forth round.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/23/2024 5:44 pm : link
Jack Stroud will light off fireworks.
I would overpay the Vikings if it's JJM at 5.  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 5:46 pm : link
They won't say no to pick 6, 47 and extra change vs pick 11, 23 and extra change. If the Pats don't want to trade and they take JJM, I'm not sure I'd do the same for Maye but if Schdabka liked him then I'd say it's a given to overpay LAC so they can't say no.

Otherwise, unless Nix or Pennix falls to the 2nd round which I think is highly doubtful at this point, then we are left with a developmental prospect in QB hell for several more years. I don't think we will have this high of a pick next year with improved o line play, even if Lock starts the whole year.
Take a wide receiver  
UberAlias : 3/23/2024 5:48 pm : link
And draft a developmental QB later
Then the countdown to Daboll and Schoen’s dismissal begins  
The_Boss : 3/23/2024 5:53 pm : link
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Is it  
Ron Johnson : 3/23/2024 5:56 pm : link
Too much to ask that we watch enough film to figure out which of the remaining guys will be a hall of famer and draft that fucking guy?
I  
AcidTest : 3/23/2024 5:58 pm : link
would either take whichever of MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze is available or trade down. Somebody will want that pick, either to take one of those WRs or perhaps Alt. I'm not usually a fan of trading down out of a top 10 pick, but would pick up the phone and listen.
RE: Then the countdown to Daboll and Schoen’s dismissal begins  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/23/2024 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16444053 The_Boss said:
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That seems to very true. The team’s upside with Daniel Jones is 6-11 if things turn out well.
I’d draft a WR, then pray Penix falls to the second round.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/23/2024 6:15 pm : link
(He won’t.)
I think McCarthy is going to be there at 6  
Go Terps : 3/23/2024 6:17 pm : link
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RE: I’d draft a WR, then pray Penix falls to the second round.  
GFAN52 : 3/23/2024 6:19 pm : link
In comment 16444074 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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(He won’t.)


No thanks on Penix. One QB with an extensive injury history is plenty.
RE: RE: I’d draft a WR, then pray Penix falls to the second round.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/23/2024 6:24 pm : link
In comment 16444079 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 16444074 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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(He won’t.)



No thanks on Penix. One QB with an extensive injury history is plenty.


Second round pick is far less costly and can be moved on from almost immediately if he doesn’t show enough as a rookie.
RE: I think McCarthy is going to be there at 6  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 6:28 pm : link
In comment 16444077 Go Terps said:
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Only way this happens is if NE trades down with Minnesota or if AZ/LAC don't want to take pick 11, 23 and perhaps a future 1st (which I think would entice one of them, but maybe not if Harbaugh continues to prioritize blue chip talent vs draft capital and AZ is really set on MHJ). I think the Vikings love JJM and Maye. They aren't going to just sit on their picks, so we would have to get lucky for once to have JJM at 6. That would be an absolute dream scenario to me. I'd be pacing all around for the first 75 minutes of the draft.
RE: RE: RE: I’d draft a WR, then pray Penix falls to the second round.  
GFAN52 : 3/23/2024 6:29 pm : link
In comment 16444086 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 16444079 GFAN52 said:


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In comment 16444074 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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(He won’t.)



No thanks on Penix. One QB with an extensive injury history is plenty.



Second round pick is far less costly and can be moved on from almost immediately if he doesn’t show enough as a rookie.


Not if he’s injured. A number 2 pick is a premium pick that can be used for other needs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I’d draft a WR, then pray Penix falls to the second round.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/23/2024 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16444089 GFAN52 said:
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Not if he’s injured. A number 2 pick is a premium pick that can be used for other needs.


I don’t disagree, but I seriously doubt that Jones plays another snap for the Giants. They have to draft someone and Pratt in the fourth round ain’t gonna cut it.
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Optimus-NY : 3/23/2024 7:09 pm : link
Take a WR or trade down  
US1 Giants : 3/23/2024 7:19 pm : link
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I don't think...  
bestt : 3/23/2024 7:19 pm : link
there are 4 top QBs... there are 3. Stop all this Mccarthy nonsense
I don't think...  
bestt : 3/23/2024 7:19 pm : link
there are 4 top QBs... there are 3. Stop all this Mccarthy nonsense
Seems a likely scenario  
give66 : 3/23/2024 7:20 pm : link
Maybe the smart move for us is to trade down with Minny. Could still get NiX or Penex with 11 or 23. Really depends on which QB Schoen likes best which we might not ever know.
RE: I don't think...  
GFAN52 : 3/23/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16444135 bestt said:
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there are 4 top QBs... there are 3. Stop all this Mccarthy nonsense


There are top four at every position the draft actually.
 
ryanmkeane : 3/23/2024 7:22 pm : link
Taking best player available that projects to the NFL at that point and I think it would be Odunze or Alt
I think you need to be careful  
Chocco : 3/23/2024 7:30 pm : link
Drafting a QB just because you need/want a QB.
Jones was drafted too early, but he is the second best QB in that draft class behind Murray
RE: I think you need to be careful  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 7:31 pm : link
In comment 16444143 Chocco said:
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Drafting a QB just because you need/want a QB.
Jones was drafted too early, but he is the second best QB in that draft class behind Murray


I agree, I think only JJM and Daniels are worth trading up for (CW isn't an option. Just imo
I'm at the point where contrary to popular opinion,  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 7:38 pm : link
If JJM goes 3 or is unattainable and Daniels doesn't slide, I would try my best to trade down with Min for their pick 11, 23 and future 1st for Maye. Then I would target Brian Thomas jr/Quinyon Mitchell/Arnold/Jer'zhan Newton. I'd try to nab Pennix if possible (but not until 2nd), but focus mostly on WR/DL/CB with top picks punting QB into the future.
Trade down, then pick Nicks plus the extra picks.  
PatersonPlank : 3/23/2024 7:46 pm : link
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If it comes down to a non-QB, I'd take Alt  
Go Terps : 3/23/2024 7:49 pm : link
I like the WRs, but you can find WRs all over the draft and I'd be confident in doing the same next year. And I have no interest in giving Neal chances. Let him compete for and win the RT job, move inside to RG, or trade him before his terrible play erodes his value further.
One of the WRs or best pass rusher,  
darren in pdx : 3/23/2024 8:05 pm : link
make the front 7 truly elite and then take one of Nix or Penix if you like them enough. Or you have to punt QB to next offseason via trade/FA or the draft..
I would trade down and try and get some picks for next year  
LW_Giants : 3/23/2024 8:07 pm : link
when we'll be back in the hunt for a QB.
some of these comments are absurd...  
retiredmz : 3/23/2024 8:18 pm : link
"If the first 4 QBs are gone when the Giants Pick"...Schoen and Daboll will be gone ? C'mon...GMs make adjustments just like teams do during a game..
RE: some of these comments are absurd...  
JesseS : 3/23/2024 8:46 pm : link
In comment 16444173 retiredmz said:
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"If the first 4 QBs are gone when the Giants Pick"...Schoen and Daboll will be gone ? C'mon...GMs make adjustments just like teams do during a game..


D) Seppuku
Here's the thing:  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 8:55 pm : link
If we are trying to trade up to 3 for JJM, if the reports he is our guy are true, then what difference does it make if we trade the same package for him at 4? Pick 11, 47 and a 2025 1st for pick 4. If he is the target and Maye goes 3rd to the Patriots then I'd assume Schoen would offer the same package to the Cardinals and if they didn't want to trade down he would offer a similar package to the Chargers if they were going to deal down with the Vikings. I don't think Schoen is equally high on JJM and Maye. It's one or the other imo, and if his guy is there at 4 or 5 he will be willing to pay dam near the same amount for that QB at 4 or 5 as he would at 3. Only way I think we don't get a QB is if the Patriots take the same player whether that be JJM or Maye. Otherwise, if Schdabka want the QB the Patriots don't take we get him.


The only way I see us not getting the QB they want is if the Patriots don't want to trade down and take the guy we want. Then, Schoen will go to backup plan and won't trade up for the 4th guy whom he doesn't have complete conviction
I've been checking a Patriots forum and they seem split on  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 8:57 pm : link
JJM/Maye at 3 or trading down, like a 3 way tie it seems. I know the fans opinions don't matter, but I found it interesting that so many of them want to take JJM at 3.
None of the Pats fans want to trade down with the Chargers.  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 8:58 pm : link
It's basically JJM or Maye at 3 or trade down with us (most people seem to want Alt at 6).
Trade down and stockpile picks  
BigBlueCane : 3/23/2024 9:00 pm : link
for next year.
RE: Trade down and stockpile picks  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16444192 BigBlueCane said:
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for next year.


We would be unlikely to get a massive haul like for a QB but maybe someone really wants Alt or Nabers or Odunze and trades a lot for him. I think multiple trade downs BB style would be the best route to accumulate picks without a QB on the board. I think I'd prefer to take Odunze or Nabers over a series of trade downs unless we were lucky and a team wanted to trade a lot for Odunze/Alt/Nabers.
take the bpa at wr  
hassan : 3/23/2024 9:19 pm : link
and draft qb later. If they need to, draft qb again next year.

Dont overpay when your team is in need of major reinforcements on offense. yes qb is vital. But they can look at trading up for nix or penix versus a ransom for jj.
RE: take the bpa at wr  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 9:22 pm : link
In comment 16444208 hassan said:
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and draft qb later. If they need to, draft qb again next year.

Dont overpay when your team is in need of major reinforcements on offense. yes qb is vital. But they can look at trading up for nix or penix versus a ransom for jj.


If they think JJM is the guy and they turn out to be right, pick 6, 47 and a 2025 1st plus 3rd is nothing. What you don't do is overpay for a guy you just feel good about. You have to have complete conviction and if you do, you do everything you can to get him. If the Patriots simply won't budge and take your guy, then you don't settle by trading up for the next best guy. So, it really comes down to how they view JJM and Maye, plus how NE views them.
intersting article on success of trade ups  
hassan : 3/23/2024 9:23 pm : link
https://theathletic.com/5250162/2024/02/06/broncos-sean-payton-qb-draft-trades-mahomes/

Mostly does not work, it has worked well in case of mahomes and eli.
RE: intersting article on success of trade ups  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 9:24 pm : link
In comment 16444212 hassan said:
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https://theathletic.com/5250162/2024/02/06/broncos-sean-payton-qb-draft-trades-mahomes/

Mostly does not work, it has worked well in case of mahomes and eli.


And Josh Allen?
RE: intersting article on success of trade ups  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 9:24 pm : link
In comment 16444212 hassan said:
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https://theathletic.com/5250162/2024/02/06/broncos-sean-payton-qb-draft-trades-mahomes/

Mostly does not work, it has worked well in case of mahomes and eli.


And Lamar Jackson? Unless you're just talking about top 10 tradeups for QBs.
bleedblue  
hassan : 3/23/2024 9:25 pm : link
the question was if they are locked out........

I said dont pay a ransom anyway. What you suggested is not a terrible cost, id consider it if they are convinced. But look at the article i posted. Trade ups are usually not successful.

RE: bleedblue  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 9:27 pm : link
In comment 16444215 hassan said:
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the question was if they are locked out........

I said dont pay a ransom anyway. What you suggested is not a terrible cost, id consider it if they are convinced. But look at the article i posted. Trade ups are usually not successful.


I don't have an athletic subscription and it's behind their pay wall sadly.
Bleedblue  
hassan : 3/23/2024 9:27 pm : link
mahomes and eli have the lions share of playoff wins and SBs. Allen yes is a decent example, Jackson is probably more akin to trading up for penix or nix anyway.

Point is, it mostly does not work. Giants will do well to draft a qb no doubt and create competition.
point is this team would be wise to take a stud  
hassan : 3/23/2024 9:29 pm : link
and not surrender excessive draft capital. It is inexcusable they have not drafted qb since 19. They should always be drafting qb.
I don’t want  
Carl in CT : 3/23/2024 9:29 pm : link
The 4th qb at #6. Go get the best player available.
RE: point is this team would be wise to take a stud  
BleedBlue46 : 3/23/2024 9:34 pm : link
In comment 16444221 hassan said:
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and not surrender excessive draft capital. It is inexcusable they have not drafted qb since 19. They should always be drafting qb.


Yeah I agree with that and on that note. I think the Giants probably only have interest in trading up for Daniels and JJM or Maye. It's highly unlikely they have complete conviction in all 3. And with that said, I really think the only way we don't get a QB is if the Patriots take the guy we wanted at 3 (whether that be JJM or Maye) otherwise we will be able to make a better offer than the Vikings if it's for the guy we want. Or we don't have complete conviction in any of the qbs available via trade. If we have complete conviction in a qb available via trade the Vikings can't beat us as we have pick 6 in a draft with 7-8 blue chip players. They simply can't beat that.
Take Penix or Nix  
averagejoe : 3/23/2024 10:07 pm : link
Giants cannot come away without a QB Daboll feels he can develop. Jones is a dumb as a tree stump and blind as a bat. He does not read the defense pre-snap and he does not see the field post snap . That will never change. Maybe a slight trade back but I would not take the chance .
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