If we take one of the big 3 WRs in the first round (Harrison, Nabers, odonze) there might be a good chance the highest player left on the board in round 2 is also a WR. Would you be opposed to them drafting two of them?
You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
Is paper thin and lacking talent. We need OL depth. We need a developmental QB. We could use a DT to replace Robinson. Double dipping receivers would be negligent.
If the best player available in each of the first two rounds is a WR
Certainly, by the time round 2 rolls around there will multiple players rated closely enough to all be BPAs. Need, positional value all play in to every pick. As has been said here many times, BPA is a myth..
RE: RE: What a crazy approach to building a roster.
You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
You have a lot more confidence than most if you think the only thing the defense has is a hole at CB2.
The best approach to building a roster is never to assume that your young guys that played well in one year will not stumble and will only ever improve in the next year. There was a little of that thinking carrying over from 2022 to 2023 and it burned them.
I like Banks a lot. One pulled hamstring and this defense has no cornerbacks, and a desperate situation. They'll be signing guys off the street again.
Taking feelings about the McKinney the player out of the equation, the Giants are worse at safety right now. They lost talent and production. I will believe they patched the hole when I see it happen on the field.
by the amount of “not in the realm of possibilities” and “zero chance” comments. Have you guys not seen our offense the last few years?? Obviously we definitely have other needs, but I think it’s possible we take two WRs with the way the draft is lining up (Say we get shut out if a qb). Do you guys really think that teams draft just solely based on need?
by the amount of “not in the realm of possibilities” and “zero chance” comments. Have you guys not seen our offense the last few years?? Obviously we definitely have other needs, but I think it’s possible we take two WRs with the way the draft is lining up (Say we get shut out if a qb). Do you guys really think that teams draft just solely based on need?
Have you seen who has been throwing the current WR the ball???
by the amount of “not in the realm of possibilities” and “zero chance” comments. Have you guys not seen our offense the last few years?? Obviously we definitely have other needs, but I think it’s possible we take two WRs with the way the draft is lining up (Say we get shut out if a qb). Do you guys really think that teams draft just solely based on need?
With both the 1st and 2nd round picks? Better chance at winning MegaMillions.
..like some may say, especially if you get Nabers Harrison or Odunze at 6 and lets say X Legette at 47,and if Legette is BPA, but I would think filling our needs, with BPA as a 'model", would be the best approach..maybe ...
QB or WR at 1
WR-if not with the 6th pick @47 or DT/CB
QB/DT/CB/WR at 70
QB/DT/CB/TE at 107
2 WRs is ok with me but the fan base will go crazy if a QB is not taken at 6, especially if we pass on him
The only way I can see this happening is if we traded down and
You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
You have a lot more confidence than most if you think the only thing the defense has is a hole at CB2.
The best approach to building a roster is never to assume that your young guys that played well in one year will not stumble and will only ever improve in the next year. There was a little of that thinking carrying over from 2022 to 2023 and it burned them.
I like Banks a lot. One pulled hamstring and this defense has no cornerbacks, and a desperate situation. They'll be signing guys off the street again.
Taking feelings about the McKinney the player out of the equation, the Giants are worse at safety right now. They lost talent and production. I will believe they patched the hole when I see it happen on the field.
I am optimistic as a fan. However the path Joe is on is clear in some regards defensively. He would have like to resign X but his blunder with Jones prevented. He however contemplated what happens if he leaves. At one point we were S heavy. Beng down to Belton and Pinnock as the top two us not an accident. Hawkins hopefully is a diamond in rough and can push for starter contention. The trade for Burns to pair with KT and move Azeez to depth should help the pass rush and ease some tension of the 2ndary. However you are correct a starting CB is a need. I would not be surprise to see one in the 3rd rd vs an RB. Just makes for an interesting RB room. Can Grey make it out the dog house and show something?
Pre-trade I saw QB in the 1st, WR in the 2nd with the forst of the pair then the best Edge/CB with the second #2 pick. Then a RB in the 3rd. Getting Burns with the 2nd means they are prioritizing the DL over the 2ndary (Prior investment in CBs and Safties). Joe is looking at vet CBs in FA see how that shakes out. Part of fixig the cap is letting rookies develop and drafting well. You cant keep refilling the same hole with picks, that is what makes the FA OL pickups nice. Vet Gs with starter ability to go with the young players we hope develop.
With all that we can still go WR in for a double dip 2nd and 3rd. The following 1 or 2 will be there at the top of the 4th.
You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
RE: RE: What a crazy approach to building a roster.
You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
What if the No. 1 player at any position gets hurt. Let's get quality starters across the board before we start worrying about the no. 5 or 6 receiver.
by the amount of “not in the realm of possibilities” and “zero chance” comments. Have you guys not seen our offense the last few years?? Obviously we definitely have other needs, but I think it’s possible we take two WRs with the way the draft is lining up (Say we get shut out if a qb). Do you guys really think that teams draft just solely based on need?
Here the the hole in your logic.
You have Slayton. Wandale. Hyatt. Hodgins. McKenzie. Ford-Wheaton. Lets say you draft a top WR in round 1. Now you heve seven WRs. Realistically you tend to keep only six WRs on the team and only five active on game day.. if you draft two top received now you have 8. You are going to drop two of them.
Now keep in mind you need on this team a #2 CB at the very least. You could use a safety. You NEED a 3 Tech DT.. you dont have one without Leonard Williams. you might need another TE. You could and should draft a RB
You have pressing needs at other positions that the team really needs to address to be complete rather than over allocate to ONE position.
RE: RE: RE: What a crazy approach to building a roster.
You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
But I think it’s possible they take a WR in the first or second and another on day 3. There are going to be some tempting talents available and it’s a position of need.
you build teams in the trenches. We drafted OBJ 12th and he was about as good as hoped for, but in 6 years one playoff game. We drafted Barkley 2nd and he was very good and one playoff game. In 2018 the team had Barkley’s rookie season and Beckham had over a thousand yards in 12 games, as Eli was sacked 47 times, the only year he was sacked over 40 times and the record was 5-11.
With the Giants’ history of free agents they signed to plug the holes on the O-Line. Pick Alt and we will finally be confident that the line will not be disgraceful. Don’t assume that the pass rush will be awesome because they added Burns. Dexter is rotated out. Players get banged up. Draft one more player as good as Dexter or Keyvon and we have a top ten defense.
A lot of regulars here must not have around during the Parcells years. “Defense wins championships.” Maybe not as much now since the defense isn’t allowed to beat up the offense.
Odunze or Nabers
Legette or possibly even a trade up if a guy like Brian Thomas drops towards end of 1st
Cut Slayton and sign a decent corner
Odunze or Nabers/Legette or Thomas/Wandale/Hyatt/Hodgins
The two most glaring needs on the roster headed to the offseason were OL and WR. We can talk about Daniel Jones -maybe- not being the answer at QB but nobody can say that with certainty due to 5 games with absolute junk around him against some of the best defenses in the NFL. We know the OL and WR groups absolutely suck with certainty. Schoen has made considerable effort on the OL in free agency. He’s done jack shit at WR. He just came from a franchise where he saw first hand the impact of getting a 1WR made for Josh Allen. I’d be shocked if a WR isn’t coming at 6, and wouldn’t be shocked if he took another in the 2nd due to Wandale’s injury history and major uncertainty with the rest of the group.
The two most glaring needs on the roster headed to the offseason were OL and WR.
Decent CBs get paid way more than what Slayton does. And WR is nowhere close to the glaring need at literally every other position group on the offense.
I think there's a very good chance the Giants pick a QB, IOL, and RB in the draft before they pick a WR.
I'll save everyone my full Slayton rant, but he was top 50 in yards, top 20 in YPR, and top in YPT. Slayton isn't getting cut after they paid his roster bonus last week. He could easily draw a 3rd round pick a in a trade if he magically became redundant.
The two most glaring needs on the roster headed to the offseason were OL and WR.
Decent CBs get paid way more than what Slayton does. And WR is nowhere close to the glaring need at literally every other position group on the offense.
I think a restructure of Thomas’ contract is coming. That combined with 6.4 freed from cutting Slayton will be plenty.
I disagree on the other part. QB gets another year. OL has been fortified. TE is good unless Waller retires. RB needs a depth option behind Singletary. These are fixable for cheap. WR is the largest known problem and it’s not even close.
I think there’s a better chance they extend Slayton than they
The two most glaring needs on the roster headed to the offseason were OL and WR.
Decent CBs get paid way more than what Slayton does. And WR is nowhere close to the glaring need at literally every other position group on the offense.
I think a restructure of Thomas’ contract is coming. That combined with 6.4 freed from cutting Slayton will be plenty.
I disagree on the other part. QB gets another year. OL has been fortified. TE is good unless Waller retires. RB needs a depth option behind Singletary. These are fixable for cheap. WR is the largest known problem and it’s not even close.
Fixing the Slayton number, I misread the cut #s. It’s 3.8. If they can free up 7+ on Thomas restructure it should still be more than enough.
A first and third or fourth round pick. Giants haven’t been too successful at cluster drafts going back to the 1990s when they tried it with tight ends. Most recently, I think Thomas and Peart.
I wouldn’t be opposed to cluster drafting a WR, but the Giants just have so many needs, and compared to other positions, they don’t need to consider a second WR, just a good, solid #1 WR.
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
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You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
You have a lot more confidence than most if you think the only thing the defense has is a hole at CB2.
The best approach to building a roster is never to assume that your young guys that played well in one year will not stumble and will only ever improve in the next year. There was a little of that thinking carrying over from 2022 to 2023 and it burned them.
I like Banks a lot. One pulled hamstring and this defense has no cornerbacks, and a desperate situation. They'll be signing guys off the street again.
Taking feelings about the McKinney the player out of the equation, the Giants are worse at safety right now. They lost talent and production. I will believe they patched the hole when I see it happen on the field.
Have you seen who has been throwing the current WR the ball???
With both the 1st and 2nd round picks? Better chance at winning MegaMillions.
QB or WR at 1
WR-if not with the 6th pick @47 or DT/CB
QB/DT/CB/WR at 70
QB/DT/CB/TE at 107
2 WRs is ok with me but the fan base will go crazy if a QB is not taken at 6, especially if we pass on him
got some additional picks.
Hypothetical… if we traded with Minn for 11 and 23.
11. Brian Thomas Jr.
23. Bo Nix/Penix
47. Xavier Legette
I agree with TTH that the holes in our team are glaring but none so much as our QB and WR room.
Unfortunately I’m sure the Giants will think our WR are fine.
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You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
You have a lot more confidence than most if you think the only thing the defense has is a hole at CB2.
The best approach to building a roster is never to assume that your young guys that played well in one year will not stumble and will only ever improve in the next year. There was a little of that thinking carrying over from 2022 to 2023 and it burned them.
I like Banks a lot. One pulled hamstring and this defense has no cornerbacks, and a desperate situation. They'll be signing guys off the street again.
Taking feelings about the McKinney the player out of the equation, the Giants are worse at safety right now. They lost talent and production. I will believe they patched the hole when I see it happen on the field.
I am optimistic as a fan. However the path Joe is on is clear in some regards defensively. He would have like to resign X but his blunder with Jones prevented. He however contemplated what happens if he leaves. At one point we were S heavy. Beng down to Belton and Pinnock as the top two us not an accident. Hawkins hopefully is a diamond in rough and can push for starter contention. The trade for Burns to pair with KT and move Azeez to depth should help the pass rush and ease some tension of the 2ndary. However you are correct a starting CB is a need. I would not be surprise to see one in the 3rd rd vs an RB. Just makes for an interesting RB room. Can Grey make it out the dog house and show something?
Pre-trade I saw QB in the 1st, WR in the 2nd with the forst of the pair then the best Edge/CB with the second #2 pick. Then a RB in the 3rd. Getting Burns with the 2nd means they are prioritizing the DL over the 2ndary (Prior investment in CBs and Safties). Joe is looking at vet CBs in FA see how that shakes out. Part of fixig the cap is letting rookies develop and drafting well. You cant keep refilling the same hole with picks, that is what makes the FA OL pickups nice. Vet Gs with starter ability to go with the young players we hope develop.
With all that we can still go WR in for a double dip 2nd and 3rd. The following 1 or 2 will be there at the top of the 4th.
MIKE SAINRISTIL, MICHIGAN
CB KAMARI LASSITER, GEORGIA
CB KHYREE JACKSON, OREGON
In comment 16444063 MotownGIANTS said:
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You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
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You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
What if the No. 1 player at any position gets hurt. Let's get quality starters across the board before we start worrying about the no. 5 or 6 receiver.
Here the the hole in your logic.
You have Slayton. Wandale. Hyatt. Hodgins. McKenzie. Ford-Wheaton. Lets say you draft a top WR in round 1. Now you heve seven WRs. Realistically you tend to keep only six WRs on the team and only five active on game day.. if you draft two top received now you have 8. You are going to drop two of them.
Now keep in mind you need on this team a #2 CB at the very least. You could use a safety. You NEED a 3 Tech DT.. you dont have one without Leonard Williams. you might need another TE. You could and should draft a RB
You have pressing needs at other positions that the team really needs to address to be complete rather than over allocate to ONE position.
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You think this team has so few needs that this makes sense?
To a degree yes .... Daboll like a pass heavy offense and the "bell cow" RB is gone. Blue chip WR, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are the top 4. You still need depth McKenzie for Robison and Gunner is more a PR than WR. Still need a viable #1 option...what if the 1st rder is a bust or gets hurt? Then we are back to the same situation. By using the 2nder on an Edge we really on have a whole at CB#2. Pinnock and Belton are expected to be the new safety tandem, you can see that was the plan all along if McKinney did not work out. The draft will and should be offense heavy. QB, WR, RB top 3 picks in that order hopefully.
Jone, Love, DeVito, QB @ 6 .... whoever wins the job ...
But I think it’s possible they take a WR in the first or second and another on day 3. There are going to be some tempting talents available and it’s a position of need.
With the Giants’ history of free agents they signed to plug the holes on the O-Line. Pick Alt and we will finally be confident that the line will not be disgraceful. Don’t assume that the pass rush will be awesome because they added Burns. Dexter is rotated out. Players get banged up. Draft one more player as good as Dexter or Keyvon and we have a top ten defense.
A lot of regulars here must not have around during the Parcells years. “Defense wins championships.” Maybe not as much now since the defense isn’t allowed to beat up the offense.
Legette or possibly even a trade up if a guy like Brian Thomas drops towards end of 1st
Cut Slayton and sign a decent corner
Odunze or Nabers/Legette or Thomas/Wandale/Hyatt/Hodgins
The two most glaring needs on the roster headed to the offseason were OL and WR. We can talk about Daniel Jones -maybe- not being the answer at QB but nobody can say that with certainty due to 5 games with absolute junk around him against some of the best defenses in the NFL. We know the OL and WR groups absolutely suck with certainty. Schoen has made considerable effort on the OL in free agency. He’s done jack shit at WR. He just came from a franchise where he saw first hand the impact of getting a 1WR made for Josh Allen. I’d be shocked if a WR isn’t coming at 6, and wouldn’t be shocked if he took another in the 2nd due to Wandale’s injury history and major uncertainty with the rest of the group.
Cut Slayton and sign a decent corner
The two most glaring needs on the roster headed to the offseason were OL and WR.
Decent CBs get paid way more than what Slayton does. And WR is nowhere close to the glaring need at literally every other position group on the offense.
I'll save everyone my full Slayton rant, but he was top 50 in yards, top 20 in YPR, and top in YPT. Slayton isn't getting cut after they paid his roster bonus last week. He could easily draw a 3rd round pick a in a trade if he magically became redundant.
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Cut Slayton and sign a decent corner
The two most glaring needs on the roster headed to the offseason were OL and WR.
Decent CBs get paid way more than what Slayton does. And WR is nowhere close to the glaring need at literally every other position group on the offense.
I think a restructure of Thomas’ contract is coming. That combined with 6.4 freed from cutting Slayton will be plenty.
I disagree on the other part. QB gets another year. OL has been fortified. TE is good unless Waller retires. RB needs a depth option behind Singletary. These are fixable for cheap. WR is the largest known problem and it’s not even close.
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Cut Slayton and sign a decent corner
The two most glaring needs on the roster headed to the offseason were OL and WR.
Decent CBs get paid way more than what Slayton does. And WR is nowhere close to the glaring need at literally every other position group on the offense.
I think a restructure of Thomas’ contract is coming. That combined with 6.4 freed from cutting Slayton will be plenty.
I disagree on the other part. QB gets another year. OL has been fortified. TE is good unless Waller retires. RB needs a depth option behind Singletary. These are fixable for cheap. WR is the largest known problem and it’s not even close.
Fixing the Slayton number, I misread the cut #s. It’s 3.8. If they can free up 7+ on Thomas restructure it should still be more than enough.
Cutting or trading Slayton would save the Giants 3.8M. They paid his 2.6M roster bonus last week.
If they were cutting Slayton, it would have been last Sunday.
I wouldn’t be opposed to cluster drafting a WR, but the Giants just have so many needs, and compared to other positions, they don’t need to consider a second WR, just a good, solid #1 WR.