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Rob in Rockaway : 3/23/2024 9:10 pm
I never start a thread. OK now I guess I did. Rangers down 1-0 after one. Fairly even first period. Couple of random observations:

Very strange game to scratch Cullye against a physical Panthers team. Upcoming chances to rest him on the road against Colorado or home Arizona seem like better options. This cannot be performance based as he has been one of the better players on the team the last 10 games.

Miller has been manhandled to my eye so far. He really needs to Cowboy up heading to the playoffs as every game will be like this.
Gustafsson saw three Rangers beneath the goal line  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/23/2024 9:26 pm : link
and thought it was a good idea to pinch. He doesn’t get the puck, odd man rush for the Panthers, and it’s 2-0.

You lose multiple defensemen and it will bite you in the ass eventually.
Rangers tie it up at 2.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/23/2024 9:32 pm : link
Foxy with a PP beauty after a great play by Trocheck.


Bread with a one timer beauty after a great pass by Trocheck
Roslovic having a rough game  
Anakim : 3/23/2024 9:51 pm : link
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Agree about Cullye not playing tonight  
Rick in Dallas : 3/23/2024 9:57 pm : link
He brings a physical tough presence to the game which is necessary against Panthers.
I am here with my daughter  
MetsAreBack : 3/23/2024 10:31 pm : link
Who is still a panther fan from when we lived in Miami - somehow they’ve been to more finals and have the same amount of titles as us in the last 29 years

When you’re without 2 of your top 3 defenders playing 3 of the best teams in the nhl this week it won’t be pretty. Thrilled to beat Boston and Thankfully they are missing Barkof. Hope both teams get a point and we take this to OT like Carolina and Washington agreed to last night.

Why does trochek get tossed from the dot 25% of the time? I need to read up on this rule … often I see the opponent jump offsides with their feet yet he is tossed.
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Route 9 : 3/23/2024 10:43 pm : link
Laf. No quit in New York.
Change  
Route 9 : 3/23/2024 10:45 pm : link
Panarin
43rd of the season  
Route 9 : 3/23/2024 10:46 pm : link
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Route 9 : 3/23/2024 10:56 pm : link
Great another defenseman down

Trocheck with the save
Wild overtime  
Greg from LI : 3/23/2024 11:00 pm : link
These games with the Panthers always seem to be such close wars
Shootouts have not been kind to the Rangers  
Greg from LI : 3/23/2024 11:01 pm : link
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RE: I am here with my daughter  
ColHowPepper : 3/23/2024 11:02 pm : link
In comment 16444256 MetsAreBack said:
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Why does trochek get tossed from the dot 25% of the time? I need to read up on this rule … often I see the opponent jump offsides with their feet yet he is tossed.

Had a convo about that with pj last season. whose stick has to stay flat on ice last, whose flinch, start too soon gets you kicked out, why and when? Not #16 in particular…even he wasn’t clear on it
Shesty!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/23/2024 11:04 pm : link
Nice comeback win
Damn exciting game against a quality opponent  
Anakim : 3/23/2024 11:05 pm : link
But they walk away with one point and we walk away with two
Panthers are a really good team,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/23/2024 11:05 pm : link
but a pile of assholes. Tkachuk is bitching and moaning about everything.
Didn't look good early...great win!  
rnargi : 3/23/2024 11:06 pm : link
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Another big win against a top team  
Greg from LI : 3/23/2024 11:07 pm : link
Back to back with the Bruins and Panthers, four points. Nice. Up three on Carolina
RE: Panthers are a really good team,  
ColHowPepper : 3/23/2024 11:09 pm : link
In comment 16444279 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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but a pile of assholes. Tkachuk is bitching and moaning about everything.
need to Rempe them a bit more, shock; one of best wins of the season
When Trouba and Lindgren come back, they should rotate  
Anakim : 3/23/2024 11:10 pm : link
But TBH, I would STRONGLY consider having Zac Jones as the #6 LD over Gus. Jones may be more of a liability on defense but he’s our most creative defenseman not named Adam Fox.
8-3-0  
CMc in 342 : 3/23/2024 11:10 pm : link
In their last 11 games can give them their most points ever, I believe !
What a game  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/23/2024 11:11 pm : link
That’s a big boy win
Terrific comeback win  
Rick in Dallas : 3/23/2024 11:23 pm : link
Panarin showed up big in a physical game.
Ruwedel has played well since inserted in the lineup
My boy Zac Jones with another great game.
Fox is just a fabulous player.
Rempe getting important minutes leading up to the playoffs. His physical presence will be needed.

The Rangers first and last 23 games were an identical record of 18-4-1  
BestFeature : 3/24/2024 2:31 am : link
Too bad they sucked in the middle. But that's an incredible two streaks. The Rangers also finish up with a bunch of crappy teams mostly at home. In their final 11 they play two playoff teams I believe, Colorado and Philly. Philly isn't that great. Honestly, only game they shouldn't be favored to win is Colorado in Colarado.
RE: The Rangers first and last 23 games were an identical record of 18-4-1  
Route 9 : 3/24/2024 2:45 am : link
In comment 16444322 BestFeature said:
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Too bad they sucked in the middle. But that's an incredible two streaks. The Rangers also finish up with a bunch of crappy teams mostly at home. In their final 11 they play two playoff teams I believe, Colorado and Philly. Philly isn't that great. Honestly, only game they shouldn't be favored to win is Colorado in Colarado.


Start the playoffs!!
The more  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/24/2024 8:06 am : link
Zac Jones plays, the better he gets. His speed, quickness and creative offensive flair outshine Gustafsson at this point in the year, but Laviolette likes Gus.
Yo Rempe has a good game  
Route 9 : 3/24/2024 8:39 am : link
Too, that shift at the end
RE: When Trouba and Lindgren come back, they should rotate  
4xchamps : 3/24/2024 9:39 am : link
In comment 16444285 Anakim said:
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But TBH, I would STRONGLY consider having Zac Jones as the #6 LD over Gus. Jones may be more of a liability on defense but he’s our most creative defenseman not named Adam Fox.


Rotate Truba and Lindgren? Are you insane?
RE: When Trouba and Lindgren come back, they should rotate  
Will Shine : 3/24/2024 9:55 am : link
In comment 16444285 Anakim said:
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But TBH, I would STRONGLY consider having Zac Jones as the #6 LD over Gus. Jones may be more of a liability on defense but he’s our most creative defenseman not named Adam Fox.


Agree. And I really like Schneider in the top 4.
Trouba and Lindgren are starters and add a physical presence  
Rick in Dallas : 3/24/2024 9:58 am : link
Which will be needed in the playoffs
I’m fairly certain based on matchups you will see a rotation between Jones and Gus.
Jones has been a revelation.
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Route 9 : 3/24/2024 10:15 am : link
Rangers 7-2 without Trouba?
RE: I am here with my daughter  
pjcas18 : 3/24/2024 10:35 am : link
In comment 16444256 MetsAreBack said:
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Who is still a panther fan from when we lived in Miami - somehow they’ve been to more finals and have the same amount of titles as us in the last 29 years

When you’re without 2 of your top 3 defenders playing 3 of the best teams in the nhl this week it won’t be pretty. Thrilled to beat Boston and Thankfully they are missing Barkof. Hope both teams get a point and we take this to OT like Carolina and Washington agreed to last night.

Why does trochek get tossed from the dot 25% of the time? I need to read up on this rule … often I see the opponent jump offsides with their feet yet he is tossed.


Trocheck always waits as long as possible to get his stick down, tries to add some deception into what he's trying to do. sometimes he'll go forward (rarely, but he does), or to a wing, if not the conventional win it back to the D on your off-hand. In doing so he pushes the limits of taking too long. Part of it though is just refs being refs and they want you do to something they don't think you 100% listened and they kick you out.

Rangers are on fire, peaking hopefully at the right time with just 12 games left.

the only thing I'll say about the Rangers being without two of their top 2 D are the Panthers played without Barkov and Forsling (their best F and D). I'm not calling it a moral victory or anything, the Panthers are probably pissed about blowing a 2-goal lead but if you said this was the outcome before the game I think a lot of Panthers fans would take it. I always forget how deep FLA is at F until I see them play. Still think their D is vulnerable, especially without Forsling (but I expect he will be back).

If Bobrovsky plays like he did last night in the playoffs they, like the Rangers, will be a tough out (that save on Kreider in OT was incredible). No one wants to play either one of those teams IMO. Not like any easy outs in the NHL playoffs but the Rangers specifically IMO have all the cup ingredients and should be considered cup favorites (like I said in October they should be at least in the discussion) and the Panthers do too - just a little less on D IMO and Bob has a tendency for a clunker - a really bad clunker and sometimes he doesn't recover from them as easily as Igor or other goalies.
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Route 9 : 3/24/2024 10:37 am : link
That Trocheck prevention of the goal late in the game was $
RE: The Rangers first and last 23 games were an identical record of 18-4-1  
ColHowPepper : 3/24/2024 10:59 am : link
In comment 16444322 BestFeature said:
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...The Rangers also finish up with a bunch of crappy teams mostly at home. In their final 11 they play two playoff teams I believe, Colorado and Philly. Philly isn't that great. ...

Watched Philly outplay Bruins for much of Sat game; Ullmark kept Bruins in it throughout. Flyers are excellent and very fast on the rush, where Rangers' D tends not to be fast/quick enough to get back positionally--there will be lots of odd man chances. Flyers' young core are excellent: Drysdale, York, Tippett, Foerster, Farabee. Konecny is on fire--I think he was a scratch last time Rangers played Philly a few weeks ago, tough game, tough out.
There are a lot of teams  
Gman11 : 3/24/2024 12:43 pm : link
that I wouldn't be surprised if they win the Cup.
Colorado, Vegas, Winnipeg, Dallas, Edmonton, LA in the West
Rangers, Boston, Carolina, Florida, Toronto, Tampa in the East

All good teams. Playoffs ought to be great.
RE: There are a lot of teams  
pjcas18 : 3/24/2024 1:05 pm : link
In comment 16444619 Gman11 said:
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that I wouldn't be surprised if they win the Cup.
Colorado, Vegas, Winnipeg, Dallas, Edmonton, LA in the West
Rangers, Boston, Carolina, Florida, Toronto, Tampa in the East

All good teams. Playoffs ought to be great.


Of these teams, only DAL and VAN to me are in the same class as NYR and FLA. VAN and DAL are loaded.

the others all have flaws. Can they win a cup, of course, but I don't see any of the others as complete a team as those four.

just my opinion obviously.

the oddsmakers disagree with me since today's odds have CAR and TOR as the cup favorites.

VAN is 3rd followed by COL, NYR and EDM.

NYR have the highest odds to make it to the 2nd round and highest odds to make it to the 3rd round, so it seems like the oddsmakers like CAR in a ECF matchup with the Rangers.

Rangers have the 2nd highest odds to make the finals, but TOR has better odds to win the cup. Go figure. West conference matchup favors TOR?

I guess the oddsmakers like COL or VAN over NYR in the finals.
RE: RE: There are a lot of teams  
Mike from SI : 3/24/2024 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16444646 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 16444619 Gman11 said:


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that I wouldn't be surprised if they win the Cup.
Colorado, Vegas, Winnipeg, Dallas, Edmonton, LA in the West
Rangers, Boston, Carolina, Florida, Toronto, Tampa in the East

All good teams. Playoffs ought to be great.



Of these teams, only DAL and VAN to me are in the same class as NYR and FLA. VAN and DAL are loaded.

the others all have flaws. Can they win a cup, of course, but I don't see any of the others as complete a team as those four.

just my opinion obviously.

the oddsmakers disagree with me since today's odds have CAR and TOR as the cup favorites.

VAN is 3rd followed by COL, NYR and EDM.

NYR have the highest odds to make it to the 2nd round and highest odds to make it to the 3rd round, so it seems like the oddsmakers like CAR in a ECF matchup with the Rangers.

Rangers have the 2nd highest odds to make the finals, but TOR has better odds to win the cup. Go figure. West conference matchup favors TOR?

I guess the oddsmakers like COL or VAN over NYR in the finals.


You also have to remember that the principal goal of the odds is to influence betting patterns. Toronto has a ton of Canadian fans, wouldn't be surprised if there's just a ton of action on them.
RE: RE: RE: There are a lot of teams  
pjcas18 : 3/24/2024 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16444647 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 16444646 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 16444619 Gman11 said:


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that I wouldn't be surprised if they win the Cup.
Colorado, Vegas, Winnipeg, Dallas, Edmonton, LA in the West
Rangers, Boston, Carolina, Florida, Toronto, Tampa in the East

All good teams. Playoffs ought to be great.



Of these teams, only DAL and VAN to me are in the same class as NYR and FLA. VAN and DAL are loaded.

the others all have flaws. Can they win a cup, of course, but I don't see any of the others as complete a team as those four.

just my opinion obviously.

the oddsmakers disagree with me since today's odds have CAR and TOR as the cup favorites.

VAN is 3rd followed by COL, NYR and EDM.

NYR have the highest odds to make it to the 2nd round and highest odds to make it to the 3rd round, so it seems like the oddsmakers like CAR in a ECF matchup with the Rangers.

Rangers have the 2nd highest odds to make the finals, but TOR has better odds to win the cup. Go figure. West conference matchup favors TOR?

I guess the oddsmakers like COL or VAN over NYR in the finals.



You also have to remember that the principal goal of the odds is to influence betting patterns. Toronto has a ton of Canadian fans, wouldn't be surprised if there's just a ton of action on them.


Good call, with that goalie situation and even with added D not scared of TOR. The offense can carry them only so far IMO.

Maybe Strange or Stupid Questions  
David in Belmont : 3/24/2024 1:29 pm : link
But when do the finals usually start in June? And is there a set date when they start?

One of my daughters wants us to go to Germany with her in June and I hate the thought of missing the finals if the Rangers are in.

Any advice appreciated.
RE: RE: There are a lot of teams  
ColHowPepper : 3/24/2024 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16444646 pjcas18 said:
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....Of these teams, only DAL and VAN to me are in the same class as NYR and FLA. VAN and DAL are loaded.

the others all have flaws. Can they win a cup, of course, but I don't see any of the others as complete a team as those four.

Why not CAR in that top group?

Heh, you've done this now 3rd year in a row exalting Rangers as a SC fave; sometimes I think you sandbag the home town fans and faves on this board. Hasn't panned out as yet, in large part bec the 'stars' haven't shined brightly when chips are down.
I call out shortcomings regularly (to the annoyance of many here I'm sure), but find it a challenge to promote the team, this season, even as good as its record has been past month: How, in the much tighter, more physical SCP play you can project them so deep when for most of that month they've done it with the so-called first line being so unproductive and such a liability on defense (usual suspects)? Can't see how opposing coaches will not put the screws to the true #1 line and challenge them to beat you in a tight checking, very physical game. Rangers can roll their 3rd and 4th and compete well enough, but points from them will be hard to come by. Unless ## 93, 20, 96 get their collective heads out of their asses, Rangers are not balanced enough.
CAR is not in that group IMO  
pjcas18 : 3/24/2024 2:14 pm : link
because they do not have a goalie who can elevate his game or at least be elite in June.

If you look at a simple goalie stat of something like goals saved above expected Kotchetkov is ranked 57th (and is actually negative, meaning he's letting in goals he should save). And Freddy Andersen is not a goalie I'd rely on in the playoffs either. You can point to the fact CAR has allowed a 5th best goals against (NYR are 6th) meaning the D/F are just not giving the other team chance so they rely less on a stellar goalie, the playoffs are different.

NYR goalies are both top 10.
VAN goalie is #2
FLA goalie is #3

I guess you can say DAL is similar to CAR since Otter has been hit or miss, but I give DAL a huge edge in the toughness factor and I think they can overcome a game with a shaky goalie. I don't think CAR can. DAL 2nd to only COL in goals for.

Lastly, I'm in no way pandering to NYR fans. I don't care if the Rangers lose in the 1st round again. but I believe there are ingredients to building a champion in the NHL. You need a goalie, you need skill, you need grit/toughness, you need good special teams and you need to be able to score 5v5.

The Rangers struggle 5v5, but a lot of teams who did so, did in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.

One maybe obvious statistic is the team who has won the SC has led the playoffs in 5v5 goals something like 20 out of the past 21 years, maybe even something like 26 out of 27 years.

RE: Maybe Strange or Stupid Questions  
NYerInMA : 3/24/2024 4:05 pm : link
In comment 16444680 David in Belmont said:
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But when do the finals usually start in June? And is there a set date when they start?

One of my daughters wants us to go to Germany with her in June and I hate the thought of missing the finals if the Rangers are in.

Any advice appreciated.


Last year the Final ran from June 3 to June 13. In 2022 it ran from June 15 to June 26. According to the league, the last possible day of a Game 7 for the Final this year is June 24, so it would probably start around June 10.
RE: RE: When Trouba and Lindgren come back, they should rotate  
Anakim : 3/24/2024 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16444445 4xchamps said:
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In comment 16444285 Anakim said:


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But TBH, I would STRONGLY consider having Zac Jones as the #6 LD over Gus. Jones may be more of a liability on defense but he’s our most creative defenseman not named Adam Fox.



Rotate Truba and Lindgren? Are you insane?


I phrased it confusingly. I meant rotate Jones and Gus
RE: RE: RE: When Trouba and Lindgren come back, they should rotate  
Mike from SI : 3/24/2024 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16444801 Anakim said:
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In comment 16444445 4xchamps said:


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In comment 16444285 Anakim said:


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But TBH, I would STRONGLY consider having Zac Jones as the #6 LD over Gus. Jones may be more of a liability on defense but he’s our most creative defenseman not named Adam Fox.



Rotate Truba and Lindgren? Are you insane?



I phrased it confusingly. I meant rotate Jones and Gus


One of my rage texts to a friend last night started "FIRST OF ALL, why is Gus on the ice in the first place?" I forget what was happening. He's ok but I do like the way Jones has played.
RE: CAR is not in that group IMO  
Route 9 : 3/25/2024 4:36 am : link
In comment 16444714 pjcas18 said:
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because they do not have a goalie who can elevate his game or at least be elite in June.

If you look at a simple goalie stat of something like goals saved above expected Kotchetkov is ranked 57th (and is actually negative, meaning he's letting in goals he should save). And Freddy Andersen is not a goalie I'd rely on in the playoffs either. You can point to the fact CAR has allowed a 5th best goals against (NYR are 6th) meaning the D/F are just not giving the other team chance so they rely less on a stellar goalie, the playoffs are different.

NYR goalies are both top 10.
VAN goalie is #2
FLA goalie is #3

I guess you can say DAL is similar to CAR since Otter has been hit or miss, but I give DAL a huge edge in the toughness factor and I think they can overcome a game with a shaky goalie. I don't think CAR can. DAL 2nd to only COL in goals for.

Lastly, I'm in no way pandering to NYR fans. I don't care if the Rangers lose in the 1st round again. but I believe there are ingredients to building a champion in the NHL. You need a goalie, you need skill, you need grit/toughness, you need good special teams and you need to be able to score 5v5.

The Rangers struggle 5v5, but a lot of teams who did so, did in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.

One maybe obvious statistic is the team who has won the SC has led the playoffs in 5v5 goals something like 20 out of the past 21 years, maybe even something like 26 out of 27 years.


They'll blow it. Again.
Thanks NYerInMA  
David in Belmont : 3/25/2024 9:44 am : link
Where in MA are you? We live in Arlington, MA now
RE: Thanks NYerInMA  
NYerInMA : 3/25/2024 1:39 pm : link
In comment 16445214 David in Belmont said:
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Where in MA are you? We live in Arlington, MA now


I live in Framingham, "the heart of MetroWest!"
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