which is also why I think Odunze is the best match for us.
That said, if we could trade down no lower than mid-teens (for example, if someone has a crush on Alt) I'd be very pleased with Thomas and the extra haul, with Mitchell as plan B.
I'd be somewhat ironic if we ended up with Drake, being that Miller's pro comp is Herbert. & from all accounts, Herbert was the dude Gettleman wanted in '19, but he didn't come out because he wanted to play with his brother or something.
I know everyone wants a QB.....but rather not force it.
A trade down....getting 3 to 4 solid addition should fill the holes.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Yeah man. When they have All Pros all over the field after 8 more drafts they can then simply pick a franchise QB up from Amazon. Can get em whenever you want
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Can you name another team that intentionally built their team this way?
Right. Looking for teams at the top of the draft who didn’t have a QB who intentionally passed on them because the team wasn’t yet ready for a franchise QB.
I know everyone wants a QB.....but rather not force it.
A trade down....getting 3 to 4 solid addition should fill the holes.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
I agree with you. But we’re in the minority, at least here.
It sounds good in theory but there are a couple of problems with it.
1. Franchise QBs aren’t growing on trees and you never know when you’ll have the opportunity to get one. They may not have this opportunity again for a long time
2. Trading higher picks to accumulate lower picks lessens your chances of getting elite players. Getting “solid additions to fill holes” shouldn’t be the goal of the draft. And while you may end up with some “solid” pieces, that’s not guaranteed either. The further back in the draft we go, the likelihood of getting even “solid” becomes more and more a crap shoot
If teams are using the draft to fill current holes on the roster as a rule, they are doing it wrong.
im an odunze fan because he is just as clean as a prospect can be, no weaknesses, but nabers talent is undeniable and he may be the best fit into the offense daboll runs.
I get not forcing the QB pick. That’s how you end up with Daniel Jones. But if Joe and Dabs have a conviction one of these guys is a legit All Pro QB, gotta do whatever to get him.
because thats not how team rank things. and it makes fans crazt because they took a player some pundit had ranked at 22 at 13 and then they scream about him being " overdrafted " and NO ONE had him ranked that high..
same crap every ear..
the terrion arnold comp to witherspoon is also interesting
the defensive prospects have gotten short shrift so far, but man the idea of adding a player anywhere similar to witherspoon opposite banks is appealing. if they trade down a few spots to add more day 2 picks that's the guy i think id hope they come away with since there will be good WRs available at #47.
that "have everything but the QB" don't tend to pick in the top 10 of drafts.
It sounds good, but it's not reality.
Yup, the only reason we were able to get Eli despite having a “good team” was a coaching staff whose message became stale for the players and a glut of injuries. Otherwise they would never have been sitting in the #4 spot that season. Most teams with solid amount of talent, but lacking a great QB are sitting in the 50-65% win zone and drafting outside QB range every year.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Can you name another team that intentionally built their team this way?
Right. Looking for teams at the top of the draft who didn’t have a QB who intentionally passed on them because the team wasn’t yet ready for a franchise QB.
Who said intentionally passing? They’d have to trade up. And just because a QB is there at 6 doesn’t mean he’s worth taking. Haven’t we learned that
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Can you name another team that intentionally built their team this way?
Right. Looking for teams at the top of the draft who didn’t have a QB who intentionally passed on them because the team wasn’t yet ready for a franchise QB.
Who said intentionally passing? They’d have to trade up. And just because a QB is there at 6 doesn’t mean he’s worth taking. Haven’t we learned that
And just because a QB makes it to 6 doesn’t mean he’s not worth taking. We also have learned this, no? We can all find examples to fit our narratives
The Patriots would be wise to trade down and take Odunze/Alt/Nabers or maybe Nix if they really like him as it seems. A lot of their fans even want Alt at 3, a trade down to 6 for a perennial left tackle and a haul of picks would seem like a solid move. They need LT, receivers, RT or guard, QB, and more. I think they have the worst offensive roster in the league quite frankly. I don't remember where I read it, but I heard Kraft wants to draft QB while Wolfe and Co prefer a tradedown. T-32 days and counting.
I know we just traded for Burns but I think Dallas Turner has the chance to be a game wrecker. We might be overlooking him a bit.
Maybe after a trade down? I'd think if we stay top 6 it would have to be QB or WR. I do love your boy Odunze. He wouldn't be a bad consolation prize if we didn't go QB and couldn't get a massive haul for trade down.
im an odunze fan because he is just as clean as a prospect can be, no weaknesses, but nabers talent is undeniable and he may be the best fit into the offense daboll runs.
right? I like Nabers' physical solidity, 5'11" 200lbs, screams separation to me; Odunze a bit longer, slender
that "have everything but the QB" don't tend to pick in the top 10 of drafts.
It sounds good, but it's not reality.
It doesn’t even sound good, it sounds ridiculous. A bad team drafting a QB risks “ruining him”, but a bad team drafting a WR with a mediocre QB doesn’t risk ruining the WR? It’s a stupid argument.
I know we just traded for Burns but I think Dallas Turner has the chance to be a game wrecker. We might be overlooking him a bit.
Maybe after a trade down? I'd think if we stay top 6 it would have to be QB or WR. I do love your boy Odunze. He wouldn't be a bad consolation prize if we didn't go QB and couldn't get a massive haul for trade down.
Yep, in a trade down Turner would be a great choice but I’m not sure he gets past Atlanta at 8. They’ve neglected defense for too long and he’s almost too perfect of a pick for them as they rebuild that unit
Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
No I wouldn't at all trade a 2nd and 3rd for Penix with our needs and his injury history and age. And it's Penix with one "n" :)
Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
No I wouldn't at all trade a 2nd and 3rd for Penix with our needs and his injury history and age. And it's Penix with one "n" :)
Indeed it is Penix, thanks for the correction. I can see both sides to it: on one hand he could have injury issues and not work in our offense plus his age; on the other hand he could be an franchise prototypical pocket passer that put his injury issues behind him. I think the latter is worth a 2nd and 3rd for the chance
Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
No I wouldn't at all trade a 2nd and 3rd for Penix with our needs and his injury history and age. And it's Penix with one "n" :)
Indeed it is Penix, thanks for the correction. I can see both sides to it: on one hand he could have injury issues and not work in our offense plus his age; on the other hand he could be an franchise prototypical pocket passer that put his injury issues behind him. I think the latter is worth a 2nd and 3rd for the chance
Then I guess we'll agree to disagree. The fact that he's been injury free since 2022 is great, the downside is that his right knee has had 2 ACL surgeries already. He's at a 20% risk of damaging it again having to prior ACLs. One more torn ACL on that same knee could be career ending. Way too much risk for the Giants coming from Daniel Jones and the fact Penix would be 25 before he would likely even get the chance to be a starter. The Giants roster needs the 2nd and 3rd picks which are too valuable to fill existing depth problems at CB, S, OL and DT.
Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
No I wouldn't at all trade a 2nd and 3rd for Penix with our needs and his injury history and age. And it's Penix with one "n" :)
Indeed it is Penix, thanks for the correction. I can see both sides to it: on one hand he could have injury issues and not work in our offense plus his age; on the other hand he could be an franchise prototypical pocket passer that put his injury issues behind him. I think the latter is worth a 2nd and 3rd for the chance
Then I guess we'll agree to disagree. The fact that he's been injury free since 2022 is great, the downside is that his right knee has had 2 ACL surgeries already. He's at a 20% risk of damaging it again having to prior ACLs. One more torn ACL on that same knee could be career ending. Way too much risk for the Giants coming from Daniel Jones and the fact Penix would be 25 before he would likely even get the chance to be a starter. The Giants roster needs the 2nd and 3rd picks which are too valuable to fill existing depth problems at CB, S, OL and DT.
I totally see that perspective too, surgeries have exponentially improved or else he would be completely off my board. The 2 torn ACLs on the same knee is definitely worrisome. I would just hate to see him turn into an amazing franchise QB for another team if we had the chance to get him for pick 47 and 70. Would be safer to keep our picks and Mayne see if he slid to 47 or later. NFL front offices have much more insight on this, who knows maybe he slides to pick 70 even if there is serious concern. If Hooker slid to rd3 because of one torn acl, Pennix could reasonably slide to rd3 or later with 2. I don't have the intel to say anything about it really. So, in theory I love the potential of it but in reality it's much smarter to not trade that much for him when we do have so many needs like you said.
Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
I like Penix as well but the multiple surgeries and the fact that his blind side would essentially be Evan Neal at this point is a bit of a problem. Now, if you draft Alt then it’s another story.
I like Nabers because he’s got some dog in him clearly and he’s explosive as hell. But his floor is a lot lower than Odunze IMO. He’s got diva in him I think, could be a disaster with the media especially in NY.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Based on what? You say this like top quarterbacks don't go to bad teams every year.
You say this like the Bengals didn't draft Joe Burrow to a horrid offensive line and he still remains a franchise QB and elevated his team to a super bowl appearance.
You say this like the Texans didn't just draft CJ Stroud and turn around everything.
Where did this myth come from that you shouldn't draft a QB if you're a bad team?
Everyone loves to throw out Burrow as the example but he’s been injured 2 out of the 4 seasons and he’s had a mostly bad line. He’s clearly a great QB and rises above the bad OL but it’s not exactly the example I would follow.
Everyone loves to throw out Burrow as the example but he’s been injured 2 out of the 4 seasons and he’s had a mostly bad line. He’s clearly a great QB and rises above the bad OL but it’s not exactly the example I would follow.
What do his injuries have to do with the topic? Which was one guy saying you shouldn’t draft QBs if you’re a bad team? Do you think the Bengals regret that decision to draft Burrow? Do you think that Burrow has proven that getting the right QB can change a team’s fortunes instantly?
No, obviously Bengals don’t regret it and they’d do it again and again if given the chance. My point was that because the Bengals basically chose to “ignore” OL, they haven’t optimized Burrow.
Since he has been drafted, the highest pick on OL has been in round 2. That’s malpractice.
You could argue they should have drafted Sewell over Chase. Not saying I would have done it, but it would have made just as much sense, possibly more, knowing that Burrow is running for his life out there still.
You could argue they should have drafted Sewell over Chase. Not saying I would have done it, but it would have made just as much sense, possibly more, knowing that Burrow is running for his life out there still.
Fans love to blame the OL every time a QB gets injured. It’s lazy. Burrows knee injury in his rookie season can absolutely be blamed on the hit he took. But since then, he hasn’t been injured because of his OL. Just stop. His latest injury, to his wrist had nothing to do with the OL and the injury before that was the calf injury. That happened during drills in practice during the preseason. Again, nothing to do with the OL
BigBlueShock - just curious - have you watched the Bengals play. Burrow has no time to throw. They have given up 50, 44, and 55 sacks the past 3 seasons. Unacceptable. They have neglected OL and it shows.
Wiggins at 31 after running a 4.28? I don't think so
BigBlueShock - just curious - have you watched the Bengals play. Burrow has no time to throw. They have given up 50, 44, and 55 sacks the past 3 seasons. Unacceptable. They have neglected OL and it shows.
I watch a ton of the Bengals. One of my best friends lives in Cincinnati and is a life long Bengals fan so we are constantly ripping on each other. Every week. Of course the Bengals OL has been bad. That still has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic. Nothing. Burrow hasn’t been injured because of that OL since his rookie season and regardless of how bad the OL is, with Burrow they are an annual contender. A true franchise QB does that for a team with flaws. Even when those flaws are on the OL. THAT is the point.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Can you name another team that intentionally built their team this way?
Right. Looking for teams at the top of the draft who didn’t have a QB who intentionally passed on them because the team wasn’t yet ready for a franchise QB.
Who said intentionally passing? They’d have to trade up. And just because a QB is there at 6 doesn’t mean he’s worth taking. Haven’t we learned that
You seem to have missed the entire thread. The suggestion by George was to build the team and then get the QB. A question was asked - who has ever done that, even a single time?
You’re answering a question that was not being discussed.
I know everyone wants a QB.....but rather not force it.
A trade down....getting 3 to 4 solid addition should fill the holes.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Yeah like Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud. Oh no, that’s right. They were horrible franchises that flipped around overnight when they got the right guy.
You must have been thinking about SF, where they built a great team and then added Trey Lance to put them over the top?
Oh no wait…your whole point must be wrong.
Bills: WR was the third piece (OL in Allens 2nd year was the priority)
LAR: Started with Goff at 1OA, and for as much crap as he gets did get them to a SB.
QB is the first piece. The NFL has proven that time and time again
Everyone loves to throw out Burrow as the example but he’s been injured 2 out of the 4 seasons and he’s had a mostly bad line. He’s clearly a great QB and rises above the bad OL but it’s not exactly the example I would follow.
It's just *an* example of a QB going to a bad team.
You can go back further in history for more examples if you want. This idea that if you're bad enough to pick in the top 5 you should nail down all your other positions first before QB is preposterous and not supported by the history of the league.
Troy Aikman was drafted first overall by a 1-15 cowboys team
John Elways was drafted first overall by an 0-8-1 Colts team.
"No, you'll destroy the QB if you dont set your roster first" is nonsense.
They are in position to take a swing at QB. If it fails so be it. As the “team” improves, they may not be in position to even get up to bat again for a very long time. AND, if you don’t have a QB, you have nothing.
We DON’T have a QB, so this equation really isn’t hard.
How “aggressively” Schoen goes after one of these guys depends on their evaluation. If one drops to 6, I can almost guarantee they will take their swing.
That said, if we could trade down no lower than mid-teens (for example, if someone has a crush on Alt) I'd be very pleased with Thomas and the extra haul, with Mitchell as plan B.
A trade down....getting 3 to 4 solid addition should fill the holes.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
A trade down....getting 3 to 4 solid addition should fill the holes.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Yeah man. When they have All Pros all over the field after 8 more drafts they can then simply pick a franchise QB up from Amazon. Can get em whenever you want
A trade down....getting 3 to 4 solid addition should fill the holes.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Yeah like Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud. Oh no, that’s right. They were horrible franchises that flipped around overnight when they got the right guy.
You must have been thinking about SF, where they built a great team and then added Trey Lance to put them over the top?
Oh no wait…your whole point must be wrong.
"No wait, I want to draft this guy!"
"Shit, wait..."
A trade down....getting 3 to 4 solid addition should fill the holes.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
I agree with you. But we’re in the minority, at least here.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Can you name another team that intentionally built their team this way?
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Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Can you name another team that intentionally built their team this way?
Right. Looking for teams at the top of the draft who didn’t have a QB who intentionally passed on them because the team wasn’t yet ready for a franchise QB.
It sounds good, but it's not reality.
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I know everyone wants a QB.....but rather not force it.
A trade down....getting 3 to 4 solid addition should fill the holes.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
I agree with you. But we’re in the minority, at least here.
It sounds good in theory but there are a couple of problems with it.
1. Franchise QBs aren’t growing on trees and you never know when you’ll have the opportunity to get one. They may not have this opportunity again for a long time
2. Trading higher picks to accumulate lower picks lessens your chances of getting elite players. Getting “solid additions to fill holes” shouldn’t be the goal of the draft. And while you may end up with some “solid” pieces, that’s not guaranteed either. The further back in the draft we go, the likelihood of getting even “solid” becomes more and more a crap shoot
If teams are using the draft to fill current holes on the roster as a rule, they are doing it wrong.
same crap every ear..
It sounds good, but it's not reality.
Yup, the only reason we were able to get Eli despite having a “good team” was a coaching staff whose message became stale for the players and a glut of injuries. Otherwise they would never have been sitting in the #4 spot that season. Most teams with solid amount of talent, but lacking a great QB are sitting in the 50-65% win zone and drafting outside QB range every year.
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Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Can you name another team that intentionally built their team this way?
Right. Looking for teams at the top of the draft who didn’t have a QB who intentionally passed on them because the team wasn’t yet ready for a franchise QB.
Who said intentionally passing? They’d have to trade up. And just because a QB is there at 6 doesn’t mean he’s worth taking. Haven’t we learned that
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Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Can you name another team that intentionally built their team this way?
Right. Looking for teams at the top of the draft who didn’t have a QB who intentionally passed on them because the team wasn’t yet ready for a franchise QB.
Who said intentionally passing? They’d have to trade up. And just because a QB is there at 6 doesn’t mean he’s worth taking. Haven’t we learned that
And just because a QB makes it to 6 doesn’t mean he’s not worth taking. We also have learned this, no? We can all find examples to fit our narratives
Maybe after a trade down? I'd think if we stay top 6 it would have to be QB or WR. I do love your boy Odunze. He wouldn't be a bad consolation prize if we didn't go QB and couldn't get a massive haul for trade down.
It sounds good, but it's not reality.
It doesn’t even sound good, it sounds ridiculous. A bad team drafting a QB risks “ruining him”, but a bad team drafting a WR with a mediocre QB doesn’t risk ruining the WR? It’s a stupid argument.
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I know we just traded for Burns but I think Dallas Turner has the chance to be a game wrecker. We might be overlooking him a bit.
Maybe after a trade down? I'd think if we stay top 6 it would have to be QB or WR. I do love your boy Odunze. He wouldn't be a bad consolation prize if we didn't go QB and couldn't get a massive haul for trade down.
Yep, in a trade down Turner would be a great choice but I’m not sure he gets past Atlanta at 8. They’ve neglected defense for too long and he’s almost too perfect of a pick for them as they rebuild that unit
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
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Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
No I wouldn't at all trade a 2nd and 3rd for Penix with our needs and his injury history and age. And it's Penix with one "n" :)
ryan & I agreeing on something... someone put on R.E.M.'s 'It's the End of the World as We Know It (& I Feel Fine)'.
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Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
No I wouldn't at all trade a 2nd and 3rd for Penix with our needs and his injury history and age. And it's Penix with one "n" :)
Indeed it is Penix, thanks for the correction. I can see both sides to it: on one hand he could have injury issues and not work in our offense plus his age; on the other hand he could be an franchise prototypical pocket passer that put his injury issues behind him. I think the latter is worth a 2nd and 3rd for the chance
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Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
No I wouldn't at all trade a 2nd and 3rd for Penix with our needs and his injury history and age. And it's Penix with one "n" :)
Indeed it is Penix, thanks for the correction. I can see both sides to it: on one hand he could have injury issues and not work in our offense plus his age; on the other hand he could be an franchise prototypical pocket passer that put his injury issues behind him. I think the latter is worth a 2nd and 3rd for the chance
Then I guess we'll agree to disagree. The fact that he's been injury free since 2022 is great, the downside is that his right knee has had 2 ACL surgeries already. He's at a 20% risk of damaging it again having to prior ACLs. One more torn ACL on that same knee could be career ending. Way too much risk for the Giants coming from Daniel Jones and the fact Penix would be 25 before he would likely even get the chance to be a starter. The Giants roster needs the 2nd and 3rd picks which are too valuable to fill existing depth problems at CB, S, OL and DT.
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Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
No I wouldn't at all trade a 2nd and 3rd for Penix with our needs and his injury history and age. And it's Penix with one "n" :)
Indeed it is Penix, thanks for the correction. I can see both sides to it: on one hand he could have injury issues and not work in our offense plus his age; on the other hand he could be an franchise prototypical pocket passer that put his injury issues behind him. I think the latter is worth a 2nd and 3rd for the chance
Then I guess we'll agree to disagree. The fact that he's been injury free since 2022 is great, the downside is that his right knee has had 2 ACL surgeries already. He's at a 20% risk of damaging it again having to prior ACLs. One more torn ACL on that same knee could be career ending. Way too much risk for the Giants coming from Daniel Jones and the fact Penix would be 25 before he would likely even get the chance to be a starter. The Giants roster needs the 2nd and 3rd picks which are too valuable to fill existing depth problems at CB, S, OL and DT.
I totally see that perspective too, surgeries have exponentially improved or else he would be completely off my board. The 2 torn ACLs on the same knee is definitely worrisome. I would just hate to see him turn into an amazing franchise QB for another team if we had the chance to get him for pick 47 and 70. Would be safer to keep our picks and Mayne see if he slid to 47 or later. NFL front offices have much more insight on this, who knows maybe he slides to pick 70 even if there is serious concern. If Hooker slid to rd3 because of one torn acl, Pennix could reasonably slide to rd3 or later with 2. I don't have the intel to say anything about it really. So, in theory I love the potential of it but in reality it's much smarter to not trade that much for him when we do have so many needs like you said.
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Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
I agree, I love Odunze. Would be impossible to be unhappy with him. I would trade pick 47 and 70 for his qb Pennix if possible. I know he's had injuries, but nothing in the past 2 years and it hasn't affected his play. Plus, he isn't a running QB so its not as much of an issue in that regard.
I like Penix as well but the multiple surgeries and the fact that his blind side would essentially be Evan Neal at this point is a bit of a problem. Now, if you draft Alt then it’s another story.
I’m also not sure if Penix is a first round QB.
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Something about the way Odunze goes about his business makes me think he’s going to be a big time WR.
ryan & I agreeing on something... someone put on R.E.M.'s 'It's the End of the World as We Know It (& I Feel Fine)'.
Everyone should go buy a lotto ticket!
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Based on what? You say this like top quarterbacks don't go to bad teams every year.
You say this like the Bengals didn't draft Joe Burrow to a horrid offensive line and he still remains a franchise QB and elevated his team to a super bowl appearance.
You say this like the Texans didn't just draft CJ Stroud and turn around everything.
Where did this myth come from that you shouldn't draft a QB if you're a bad team?
He’d be a great pick for a premium position and would not feel like a reach in any way IMO.
I understand the need for McCarthy but I don’t see him as a top 10 player in the draft.
What do his injuries have to do with the topic? Which was one guy saying you shouldn’t draft QBs if you’re a bad team? Do you think the Bengals regret that decision to draft Burrow? Do you think that Burrow has proven that getting the right QB can change a team’s fortunes instantly?
Since he has been drafted, the highest pick on OL has been in round 2. That’s malpractice.
Fans love to blame the OL every time a QB gets injured. It’s lazy. Burrows knee injury in his rookie season can absolutely be blamed on the hit he took. But since then, he hasn’t been injured because of his OL. Just stop. His latest injury, to his wrist had nothing to do with the OL and the injury before that was the calf injury. That happened during drills in practice during the preseason. Again, nothing to do with the OL
I watch a ton of the Bengals. One of my best friends lives in Cincinnati and is a life long Bengals fan so we are constantly ripping on each other. Every week. Of course the Bengals OL has been bad. That still has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic. Nothing. Burrow hasn’t been injured because of that OL since his rookie season and regardless of how bad the OL is, with Burrow they are an annual contender. A true franchise QB does that for a team with flaws. Even when those flaws are on the OL. THAT is the point.
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I know everyone wants a QB.....but rather not force it.
A trade down....getting 3 to 4 solid addition should fill the holes.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
I agree with you. But we’re in the minority, at least here.
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In comment 16444480 George from PA said:
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Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Can you name another team that intentionally built their team this way?
Right. Looking for teams at the top of the draft who didn’t have a QB who intentionally passed on them because the team wasn’t yet ready for a franchise QB.
Who said intentionally passing? They’d have to trade up. And just because a QB is there at 6 doesn’t mean he’s worth taking. Haven’t we learned that
You seem to have missed the entire thread. The suggestion by George was to build the team and then get the QB. A question was asked - who has ever done that, even a single time?
You’re answering a question that was not being discussed.
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I know everyone wants a QB.....but rather not force it.
A trade down....getting 3 to 4 solid addition should fill the holes.
Make the QB the last piece.
Getting the QB as the 1st piece is how you destroy him.
Yeah like Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud. Oh no, that’s right. They were horrible franchises that flipped around overnight when they got the right guy.
You must have been thinking about SF, where they built a great team and then added Trey Lance to put them over the top?
Oh no wait…your whole point must be wrong.
Bills: WR was the third piece (OL in Allens 2nd year was the priority)
LAR: Started with Goff at 1OA, and for as much crap as he gets did get them to a SB.
QB is the first piece. The NFL has proven that time and time again
It's just *an* example of a QB going to a bad team.
You can go back further in history for more examples if you want. This idea that if you're bad enough to pick in the top 5 you should nail down all your other positions first before QB is preposterous and not supported by the history of the league.
Troy Aikman was drafted first overall by a 1-15 cowboys team
John Elways was drafted first overall by an 0-8-1 Colts team.
"No, you'll destroy the QB if you dont set your roster first" is nonsense.
We DON’T have a QB, so this equation really isn’t hard.
How “aggressively” Schoen goes after one of these guys depends on their evaluation. If one drops to 6, I can almost guarantee they will take their swing.