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Is the NFL Draft format on borrowed time?

KingBlue : 3/25/2024 1:51 pm
Colorado football coach Deion Sanders said his son, Buffaloes quarterback Shedeur Sanders, and cornerback/wide receiver Travis Hunter are prepared to pull an Eli Manning depending on the situation when they declare for the 2025 NFL Draft. Sanders says he knows where he wants them to play and “certain cities” are off the table.

Former NFL quarterback Robert Griffin III said Sanders’ remarks didn’t surprise him.

“The power shift is coming, so everyone needs to buckle up,” Griffin said recently on “Get Up” on ESPN before explaining how former USC quarterback Caleb Williams showed up to the 2024 NFL combine and didn’t participate. “… The players right now understand that they don’t have to do the status quo… because without the players, all of these sports leagues are nothing. This is the player empowerment age and you’re seeing it coming to the NFL.”

Does the NFL have any leverage? Or is change inevitable?
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Go play in  
larryinnewhaven : 3/25/2024 2:00 pm : link
the XFL then. League will go on without him.
Sanders says he knows where he wants them to play and “certain cities”  
bc4life : 3/25/2024 2:05 pm : link
It's not your choice Deion.

It's their career not yours.
not participating in combine or pro day  
bc4life : 3/25/2024 2:07 pm : link
totally different from refusing to play for a team. Teams can look at your collegiate body of work.

The notion that the draft will change so players will pick where they want to go is a fantasy.
The draft s only legal because the NFLPA agrees to it.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/25/2024 2:08 pm : link
At some point CFB players will unionize and ask for modifications to the draft.

The league will probably institute a lottery at some point. But players may end up with some say in where they go.

Be careful what you wish for.
RE: not participating in combine or pro day  
KingBlue : 3/25/2024 2:09 pm : link
In comment 16445573 bc4life said:
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totally different from refusing to play for a team. Teams can look at your collegiate body of work.

The notion that the draft will change so players will pick where they want to go is a fantasy.


I want you to be right... RGIII seems to disagree.
RE: Sanders says he knows where he wants them to play and “certain cities”  
I am Ninja : 3/25/2024 2:09 pm : link
In comment 16445566 bc4life said:
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It's not your choice Deion.

It's their career not yours.



"not only can i get you drafted, i can get you drafted by the team you want."
Sanders is a good leader,  
jvm52106 : 3/25/2024 2:09 pm : link
Still debatable as a coach. His thoughts that he and his kids are above all others is annoying..
I could see things changing  
DieHard : 3/25/2024 2:14 pm : link
if a large number of top draft picks started pulling an "Eli" or "Elway" to go where they wanted to do, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
This shift has been coming for along time  
larryflower37 : 3/25/2024 2:14 pm : link
The NFL draft system is antiquated along with the combine.
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Danny Kanell : 3/25/2024 2:20 pm : link
I can see a shift coming, especially at the top of the draft. These kids are already wealthy now. The lure of NFL money isn't what it used to be and it gives them leverage trying to blow up the system.
RE: not participating in combine or pro day  
nochance : 3/25/2024 2:21 pm : link
In comment 16445573 bc4life said:
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totally different from refusing to play for a team. Teams can look at your collegiate body of work.

The notion that the draft will change so players will pick where they want to go is a fantasy.



You let players to refuse to play for certain teams you'll
see fans stop paying for tickets and watching on TV
Sanders will be looking for a job soon  
Metnut : 3/25/2024 2:24 pm : link
after he gets fired.
I like the draft as it is...  
KingBlue : 3/25/2024 2:27 pm : link
I am not in favor of players having the option to choose where they want to play. I think the current system strives for competitive balance and should be maintained. I have always felt that it should be considered a privilege to play in thr NFL. I would be somewhat surprised if the NFL would submit to losing control.

Old man yells at cloud...
I don’t see anything special in Shadeur Sanders  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/25/2024 2:41 pm : link
He’s a mid round pick if you ask me.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/25/2024 2:46 pm : link
In comment 16445606 Danny Kanell said:
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I can see a shift coming, especially at the top of the draft. These kids are already wealthy now. The lure of NFL money isn't what it used to be and it gives them leverage trying to blow up the system.


+1.
This was said after Elway  
Giantimistic : 3/25/2024 2:46 pm : link
Then Eli.

I don’t see it changing too much.
I'm still on the "Sanders isn't very good"  
Sy'56 : 3/25/2024 4:04 pm : link
train. I had round 3-4 projection on him after season
RE: I'm still on the  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/25/2024 4:09 pm : link
In comment 16445761 Sy'56 said:
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train. I had round 3-4 projection on him after season


I never got the top 10 pick buzz coming out of media. I know his line was not at Colorado but he seemed overmatched against PAC 12 teams.
RE: I'm still on the  
KingBlue : 3/25/2024 4:10 pm : link
In comment 16445761 Sy'56 said:
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train. I had round 3-4 projection on him after season



If that is indeed Shedeur's reality, then I would think he would be less likely to refuse any opportunity that comes his way.
Deion's mouth  
BigBlueCane : 3/25/2024 4:11 pm : link
writing checks his kids aren't going to be able to cash.

NIL  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2024 4:17 pm : link
hurts the NFL more than other sports.

it does give the players more leverage because of the popularity of college football.

6 of the top 10 NIL deals are CFB players. #1 is Bronny James. #3 is Livvy Dunne, 2 WCBB players - the rest are CFB.

I would guess 50% of all NIL $$ go to CFB and at some point all the 1st round caliber players (maybe more) have NIL deals.

They should make it all mandatory  
Rudy5757 : 3/25/2024 4:26 pm : link
If you want to be an NFL player you must participate in the NFL draft or sit out 2 years to be a street free agent and only allowed to sign for a rookie minimum. You have to abide by the NFL rules which includes getting measured and weighed at the combine. Make contracts automatic, they already have it slotted for money. just make the contracts based on where you are drafted so there are no holdouts and make it a standard contract.

It's no different for any job, if you dont follow the rules you dont get the job.

The NFL will survive either way. No other league will be successful as it is. You cant let the players control where they go, it will ruin the game because right now there is parity. Without parity small market teams will dry up quick.
I am confused  
Sec_149 : 3/25/2024 4:29 pm : link
Doesn't every major sport have a draft? How is the nfl draft format on borrowed time, if the others aren't.

Also who cares what Deon is talking about. He should worry about doing a better job coaching.
RE: They should make it all mandatory  
KingBlue : 3/25/2024 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16445785 Rudy5757 said:
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If you want to be an NFL player you must participate in the NFL draft or sit out 2 years to be a street free agent and only allowed to sign for a rookie minimum. You have to abide by the NFL rules which includes getting measured and weighed at the combine. Make contracts automatic, they already have it slotted for money. just make the contracts based on where you are drafted so there are no holdouts and make it a standard contract.

It's no different for any job, if you dont follow the rules you dont get the job.

The NFL will survive either way. No other league will be successful as it is. You cant let the players control where they go, it will ruin the game because right now there is parity. Without parity small market teams will dry up quick.


Good post, Rudy. As I've stated, I want the Draft to remain as is.
RE: I am confused  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2024 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16445787 Sec_149 said:
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Doesn't every major sport have a draft? How is the nfl draft format on borrowed time, if the others aren't.

Also who cares what Deon is talking about. He should worry about doing a better job coaching.


Because most 1st round baseball prospects and hockey prospects and even basketball prospects won't be rolling up to the draft as millionaires in the Lamborghini's.

well over 50% of NIL money goes to the CFB.

it is estimated $1.1B will be spent on NIL money in 2023-2024. $726.2M of that on CFB players. That is staggering to me.

When you lose the carrot you lose the stick.
RE: I'm still on the  
barens : 3/25/2024 4:49 pm : link
In comment 16445761 Sy'56 said:
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train. I had round 3-4 projection on him after season


Travis Hunter on the other hand, has an abundance of talent.
The NIL may be “right” but it sucks for sports  
UConn4523 : 3/25/2024 4:52 pm : link
I’m not mad at any of these kids for it, but it’s not something I like either. The big leagues used to be a privilege, those days are nearing an end.
RE: The NIL may be “right” but it sucks for sports  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16445810 UConn4523 said:
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I’m not mad at any of these kids for it, but it’s not something I like either. The big leagues used to be a privilege, those days are nearing an end.


Seems like the pendulum swung too far and over-corrected.

To me it seemed fair to trade sports for an education, but then greed became prevalent (maybe it always was, who knows) and programs and coaches began raking in millions with bloated tv contracts and other sponsorships - mainly just in football, but basketball too, and then the student athletes wanted their "fair share" and the student part of this gets lost and it's all about the $$$ now for all parties.

many of these athletes will graduate college and (theoretically) never have to work. they will have been paid more during college NIL agreements than many people make in a lifetime. I don't think this is how it was ever supposed to be.
I agree and it’s yet another reason  
UConn4523 : 3/25/2024 5:01 pm : link
to not be heavily invested in the outcome of NFL games (unless you gamble). Hard to really care about these players anyway with the money they make, but atleast there used to be a rookie grace period before you earned the right to tell everyone to fuck off and act like a vet. If players get to start influencing where they play I’m not sure what the point of the league will be other than it’s a game we are used to watching.

The answer would have been to go watch more college but the NIL and transfer portal has ruined that too.
I don't think NIL  
Blue92 : 3/25/2024 5:08 pm : link
Will disrupt the NFL that much. NFL money still dwarfs NIL money. If you want to make NFL money, you have to work within the NFL system.

The most a college player can do is stay in school for another year or two, but they don't have the kind of leverage to blow up the NFL draft.
RE: RE: I am confused  
Sec_149 : 3/25/2024 5:18 pm : link
In comment 16445801 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 16445787 Sec_149 said:


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Doesn't every major sport have a draft? How is the nfl draft format on borrowed time, if the others aren't.

Also who cares what Deon is talking about. He should worry about doing a better job coaching.



Because most 1st round baseball prospects and hockey prospects and even basketball prospects won't be rolling up to the draft as millionaires in the Lamborghini's.

well over 50% of NIL money goes to the CFB.

it is estimated $1.1B will be spent on NIL money in 2023-2024. $726.2M of that on CFB players. That is staggering to me.

When you lose the carrot you lose the stick.


you can't make NIL money when you are out of college.
Just another old college athlete unless you play professionally.
Suck it up for a few years and decide where you go then, if teams want you.
The NFL, and certainly the Giants' crack draft analysts, may willingly  
Marty in Albany : 3/25/2024 5:27 pm : link
agree to make the draft more of a lottery.

A lot of time and money is spent by the NFL looking at college players that they don't draft, or who don't pan out when they are drafted.

If the NFL could make drafting players less expensive, they may very well agree to simplifying the system and agree to less control over what players a team gets. The draft is a crap-shoot anyway.

RE: RE: I'm still on the  
bw in dc : 3/25/2024 5:30 pm : link
In comment 16445767 JoeyBigBlue said:
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train. I had round 3-4 projection on him after season



I never got the top 10 pick buzz coming out of media. I know his line was not at Colorado but he seemed overmatched against PAC 12 teams.


I read all of the talk how bad McCarthy had it at Michigan with their OL blocking. Well, he had the 2022 Eagles compared to the Colorado OL, which was one of the worst in all of major conference football.

I will challenge anyone to find a QB who took more of a beating than Sanders. Go watch the UCLA game. The Colorado OL should have been charged with manslaughter.

The last big named QB I saw take that type of beating in major college play was Jared Goff when he was at Cal. Sanders is more athletic and has more arm talent than Goff. And Goff turned out okay.
RE: Go play in  
gridirony : 3/25/2024 6:03 pm : link
In comment 16445551 larryinnewhaven said:
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the XFL then. League will go on without him.


Something like that sounds good to me. Form an elite super league with perhaps only about 8 teams; NY, CHI, LA, TEX, FLA, Hawaii, and a couple of more.

Form it into somewhat of a co-op, where players are also partial owners (while active) and receive almost all of the revenue.

Like LIV golf, concentrate on signing the best of the best.

As for me, I'm tired of the crappy NFL product.
No one saw the Flood  
gridirony : 3/25/2024 6:09 pm : link
that Curt started.
RE: NIL  
BigBlueShock : 3/25/2024 6:19 pm : link
In comment 16445773 pjcas18 said:
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hurts the NFL more than other sports.

it does give the players more leverage because of the popularity of college football.

6 of the top 10 NIL deals are CFB players. #1 is Bronny James. #3 is Livvy Dunne, 2 WCBB players - the rest are CFB.

I would guess 50% of all NIL $$ go to CFB and at some point all the 1st round caliber players (maybe more) have NIL deals.

I’m not sure how NIL gives them more leverage. They only have 4 years at college, max. Then what? The NFL doesn’t care if Sanders or anyone else decides to bypass the draft to go back to school because of NIL. That well will run dry soon enough. In the meantime, there are hundreds of other players to draft. These players need the NFL much more than the NFL needs them. If Sanders never plays a down in the NFL, nobody will notice or care. The NFL will go on
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christian : 3/25/2024 6:39 pm : link
Outside of the top half of round one, the 4-year value of the rookie contracts are pretty low. The 17th pick on round one is capped a 4/17.5M agreement.

We're not talking about a fringe player, we're talking about a red chip prospect.

If a college player can get somewhere in the 12-15M range over 5 years in college, I can see a world where some stay in school and also some call it day after school.

If you have earned a level of wealth that in the right plan will sustain you for life, putting your health and body through another four years is certainly a risk.
RE: Sanders is a good leader,  
k2tampa : 3/25/2024 9:03 pm : link
In comment 16445581 jvm52106 said:
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Still debatable as a coach. His thoughts that he and his kids are above all others is annoying..


Someone who thinks he and his kids are above all others is not a good leader.
Much ado about nothing.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/25/2024 11:57 pm : link

Example 1. Let’s say S. Sanders is the consensus #1 next year. Let’s say, cold weather Cleveland drafts him, just for the sake of this example. Deion says “He’s not playing there”.

Well, if he’s a potential #1 pick, he will have an agent. That means he can’t go back to college.

Now he either signs with CLE, waits another year and re-enters the draft or they force a trade. Which is probably likely since CLE would want something for their 2025 1st round draft choice.

I think these kids are going to play chicken with billionaires and lose. Unionize? In college? No fucking way.
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JoeyBigBlue : 3/26/2024 3:56 am : link
In comment 16445856 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16445767 JoeyBigBlue said:


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train. I had round 3-4 projection on him after season



I never got the top 10 pick buzz coming out of media. I know his line was not at Colorado but he seemed overmatched against PAC 12 teams.



I read all of the talk how bad McCarthy had it at Michigan with their OL blocking. Well, he had the 2022 Eagles compared to the Colorado OL, which was one of the worst in all of major conference football.

I will challenge anyone to find a QB who took more of a beating than Sanders. Go watch the UCLA game. The Colorado OL should have been charged with manslaughter.

The last big named QB I saw take that type of beating in major college play was Jared Goff when he was at Cal. Sanders is more athletic and has more arm talent than Goff. And Goff turned out okay.



Sanders is not a better prospect than Goff at the same stage of their career. Goff last season at Cal he threw 43 TDs and 4700 yards. Sanders won’t touch anywhere near those numbers.
College is now a semi pro league, Pandora's box is open  
gtt350 : 3/26/2024 11:35 am : link
$$$$ rules. The ego's and the demands will be coming in droves
RG3 is a fucking clown  
djm : 3/26/2024 12:01 pm : link
you're only able to possibly dictate draft landings if you're an insanely highly rated collegiate prospect. If you're good, or pretty good, you are not dictating shit. Just try and see how it ends up.

Top rated player? Likely to go first? Yea, you can try and you might even be able to pull it off but it won't be easy and that's if you're an absolute slam dunk prospect with contacts and agents that know how to navigate things.

Rg3 is a fucking clown.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm still on the  
bw in dc : 3/26/2024 12:24 pm : link
In comment 16446216 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Sanders is not a better prospect than Goff at the same stage of their career. Goff last season at Cal he threw 43 TDs and 4700 yards. Sanders won’t touch anywhere near those numbers.


Behind the worst OL I have seen in a long time at the major conference level (Sanders got sacked 52X in 12 games), he completed almost 70% of his passes, 27TDs/3INTs, and 7.5+ YPA.

That's pretty good production under that time of duress. And with Travis Hunter out for most of the year.

If Deion brings in enough competent players to fix the OL, I could very easily see Sanders's production exploding.
that OL looked worse  
BigBlueCane : 3/26/2024 6:15 pm : link
in part bc Sanders held the ball for far too long looking to make a big play.

Yesterday I posted a thread as to why HS and college freshman haven't  
GFAN52 : 3/26/2024 6:18 pm : link
challenged the NFL's drafting rules preventing their admittance in the draft. I think the courts may be open to a greatly modified version of the draft or face antitrust lawsuits.
RE: Yesterday I posted a thread as to why HS and college freshman haven't  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/26/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16447091 GFAN52 said:
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challenged the NFL's drafting rules preventing their admittance in the draft. I think the courts may be open to a greatly modified version of the draft or face antitrust lawsuits.


The National Football League Players Association, or NFLPA, is the labor organization representing the professional American football players in the NFL. The purpose of the creations of the NFLPA in 1956 was to provide players with formal representation to negotiate compensation and the terms of a CBA. Because the NFLPA is a union, they are exempt from U.S. antitrust laws. Abusive business practices that would normally be antitrust violations suddenly become legal if they are performed as part of a collective bargaining agreement with a union.
It isn’t the first time  
Mike in NY : 3/26/2024 7:45 pm : link
Before Free Agency players would say anything to avoid notorious cheap franchises. Bill Fralic I recall being vocal about why he didn’t want to play for Minnesota.
RE: NIL  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/27/2024 4:46 am : link
In comment 16445773 pjcas18 said:
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hurts the NFL more than other sports.

it does give the players more leverage because of the popularity of college football.

6 of the top 10 NIL deals are CFB players. #1 is Bronny James. #3 is Livvy Dunne, 2 WCBB players - the rest are CFB.

I would guess 50% of all NIL $$ go to CFB and at some point all the 1st round caliber players (maybe more) have NIL deals.


NIL hurts because these kids jump for money each year and their development is going to suffer. IMO the year over year jumpers won’t be playing pro ball. Talent isn’t enough. And of people don’t think many players of these kids who know are doing great financially will bust their asses the NFL don’t know or remember what it was to be young. Don’t begrudge any of these kids the cash. But there’s going to be a lot of out of work ex NIL studs the next 2-5 years. The college cosh seats desperate. The NFL is always going to have contracts. Weather there’s draft or not. You play like shit you will be gone for the league in a blink.

Sanders and his kid a say what they want now. But his kid isn’t a great prospect
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