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KingBlue : 3/25/2024 3:04 pm
Are the potential rewards with Michael Penix worth the risk? Penix has obvious arm talent and can make every throw likely to be asked of him at the NFL level. He’s a smart, experienced quarterback, and highly productive quarterback who finished second in the 2023 Heisman Trophy voting. However, he also has significant injury concerns and has had lapses in his accuracy and efficiency on tape.

Football IQ and Mental processing

Penix shows a good football IQ throughout his game.

He has a very good command of his offense, with an understanding of the various passing concepts as well as the blocking schemes. Penix understands where his answers are in any given play and also understands where pressure is likely to come from.
He understands how to manipulate defenses and he uses his eye discipline to manipulate defensive backs, expanding receiving windows. Penix works through his progressions well. He doesn’t get stuck on his reads and is generally a responsible decision maker. He doesn’t often get flustered or put the ball in danger due to miscommunication or misreading the defense.

Arm talent

He is a generally accurate quarterback who flashes the ability to deliver the ball with pinpoint precision in the short-to-intermediate area as well as timing and anticipation down the field. He throws a tight spiral and is able to generate the velocity to attack all areas of the field as well as challenge tight windows underneath.

His large hands allow him to throw with good touch for a strong-armed quarterback, and Penix does have the ability to throw with a higher trajectory and layer the ball between defenders.

His accuracy is inconsistent and can break down in certain situations.

Final Word

Michael Penix Jr. might have the widest range of possible career paths among any of the top quarterback prospects.

At the high end, his football IQ and ability to act upon his reads – that is, his ability to make any throw asked of him without taking drive-damaging sacks – suggests a very high ceiling. At the opposite extreme, Penix could see his career derailed by injury.

Teams that are considering drafting Penix should assess their appetite for his associated risk, and make sure they have a plan in place to allow him to play to his strengths. The right team could be richly rewarded, as long as they understand that they may also be frustrated or never see their investment pay off.





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I'll add the Kurt Warner breakdown here too  
Go Terps : 3/25/2024 3:12 pm : link
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I would be fine with Penix  
Chris684 : 3/25/2024 3:18 pm : link
The problem is that with the run on the 5 QBs before him that figures to take place between picks 1-12 or 13, there's no way Penix is there at 47.

So we would need to either be prepared to take him at 6, or perhaps trade down, but you obviously have to have a partner and you need to find the right spot.

It will be harder to trade back into round 1 without the additional 2nd.
Terrified of contact. Accuracy issues  
Tuckrule : 3/25/2024 3:19 pm : link
Benefited from 3 stud WRs and a great offensive line. Plus the wider hashes more field side room. Easy pass for me and wouldn’t touch him until round 3 at best. He is my least favorite qb who can go top 3 rounds

Caleb
Maye
JJ
Nix
Daniels
Rattler
Penix
Every QB is an injury risk  
averagejoe : 3/25/2024 4:24 pm : link
It is possible Giants have him ranked higher on their board than Mel Kiper. I like this guy more than JJM or Maye. If Giants believe in him take him at six and don't look back. It is OK to gamble on a high ceiling guy after watching a low ceiling guy fail for 5 yrs.

RE: Every QB is an injury risk  
UConn4523 : 3/25/2024 4:28 pm : link
In comment 16445783 averagejoe said:
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It is possible Giants have him ranked higher on their board than Mel Kiper. I like this guy more than JJM or Maye. If Giants believe in him take him at six and don't look back. It is OK to gamble on a high ceiling guy after watching a low ceiling guy fail for 5 yrs.


Every player is an injury risk, that’s a given. But Penix is flat out the highest risk of the top QBs, that’s undeniable given his history. I’m 100% fine taking the risk. but you can’t chalk it up to “can happen to anyone” and ignore his history.
RE: Terrified of contact. Accuracy issues  
TyreeHelmet : 3/25/2024 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16445682 Tuckrule said:
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Benefited from 3 stud WRs and a great offensive line. Plus the wider hashes more field side room. Easy pass for me and wouldn’t touch him until round 3 at best. He is my least favorite qb who can go top 3 rounds

Caleb
Maye
JJ
Nix
Daniels
Rattler
Penix


Rattler over Penix? Come on.
His accuracy is inconsistent and can break down in certain situations"  
BillT : 3/25/2024 4:35 pm : link
You mean like the National Championship game?

I'm an IU fan and watched all his IU games and saw him play in person. He was great with IU. But his throwing motion is a mess and I think a huge problem in consistency. I hope we're off him completely.

RE: Terrified of contact. Accuracy issues  
UConn4523 : 3/25/2024 4:40 pm : link
In comment 16445682 Tuckrule said:
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Benefited from 3 stud WRs and a great offensive line. Plus the wider hashes more field side room. Easy pass for me and wouldn’t touch him until round 3 at best. He is my least favorite qb who can go top 3 rounds

Caleb
Maye
JJ
Nix
Daniels
Rattler
Penix


What are the accuracy issues he has that the others dont? Also, he’s the most accurate (highest on target rate) of any of them on deep throws.

Also, why does Penix get dinged for playing with Odunze but Daniels doesn’t with Nabers?
I'd be OK with Penix in a SHTF scenario  
widmerseyebrow : 3/25/2024 4:45 pm : link
Preferably after some magical trade down or trade up that gets us other assets, but I'll take a guy that can throw the ball and go beyond one read.
RE: RE: Terrified of contact. Accuracy issues  
widmerseyebrow : 3/25/2024 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16445799 UConn4523 said:
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Also, why does Penix get dinged for playing with Odunze but Daniels doesn’t with Nabers?


Don't forget Johnson as well. Polk is a good second banana in college but Johnson is a legit #1 guy as a prospect.
I don’t like Daniel’s or penix  
Tuckrule : 3/25/2024 5:09 pm : link
Penix benefited from great WRs. His “accuracy” was chuck and duck 50/50 balls to the field side. In the nfl that isn’t there. Safeties are faster and corners are better. And the field side isn’t wide open. Watch the tape. He’s a great college qb won’t be good in the pros

Daniels has a weak arm but he’s athletic. I don’t see his running as dynamic but at least he has more tools to work with and he’s a tough runner when he does. He also snaps the ball with a quick release. A lot of stuff was to the numbers so not sure he has the arm talent to work the middle deep in the nfl but more tools to work with for sure.

Rattler- I’m very high on I made it clear. He has all the tools with him it’s between the ears. He checks all the boxes besides height for a qb. Otherwise he’s a stud. If he checks out mentally he’s a great prospect. I’ve said I want him even round 2 and I’d trade up back into round 2 to get him. He’s that talented and he’s tough as nails.
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Go Terps : 3/25/2024 5:50 pm : link
Penix threw more passes (>1100) the past two seasons in the NCAA. He was enormously productive, and his pressure to sack ratio is the lowest of any major prospect since 2014.

The injury concern is certainly legitimate. The rest...
RE: Terrified of contact. Accuracy issues  
Section331 : 3/25/2024 5:55 pm : link
In comment 16445682 Tuckrule said:
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Benefited from 3 stud WRs and a great offensive line. Plus the wider hashes more field side room. Easy pass for me and wouldn’t touch him until round 3 at best. He is my least favorite qb who can go top 3 rounds

Caleb
Maye
JJ
Nix
Daniels
Rattler
Penix


I’m pretty sure they all benefited from the wider hashes, not sure why that would be a negative for Penix. And “terrified of contact”? Come on. If you like Rattler more than Penix, I have to wonder what you are watching.
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UConn4523 : 3/25/2024 6:00 pm : link
In comment 16445808 widmerseyebrow said:
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Also, why does Penix get dinged for playing with Odunze but Daniels doesn’t with Nabers?



Don't forget Johnson as well. Polk is a good second banana in college but Johnson is a legit #1 guy as a prospect.


Of course, and same with Brian Thomas Jr at LSU.

I think it’s lazy to say Penix threw jump balls or that his WR talent is the only reason why he was productive.
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widmerseyebrow : 3/25/2024 6:02 pm : link
In comment 16445887 UConn4523 said:
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Also, why does Penix get dinged for playing with Odunze but Daniels doesn’t with Nabers?



Don't forget Johnson as well. Polk is a good second banana in college but Johnson is a legit #1 guy as a prospect.



Of course, and same with Brian Thomas Jr at LSU.

I think it’s lazy to say Penix threw jump balls or that his WR talent is the only reason why he was productive.


Thomas is what I meant. Not sure where I got Johnson from.
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Go Terps : 3/25/2024 6:17 pm : link
In comment 16445887 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 16445799 UConn4523 said:


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Also, why does Penix get dinged for playing with Odunze but Daniels doesn’t with Nabers?



Don't forget Johnson as well. Polk is a good second banana in college but Johnson is a legit #1 guy as a prospect.



Of course, and same with Brian Thomas Jr at LSU.

I think it’s lazy to say Penix threw jump balls or that his WR talent is the only reason why he was productive.


I've watched Kurt Warner's breakdowns of Williams, Maye, Daniels, and Penix. He only looks at one game and is focusing on decision making and working from the pocket in structure. He seemed most positive on Penix of the bunch.
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Mike from Ohio : 3/25/2024 7:31 pm : link
In comment 16445789 TyreeHelmet said:
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Benefited from 3 stud WRs and a great offensive line. Plus the wider hashes more field side room. Easy pass for me and wouldn’t touch him until round 3 at best. He is my least favorite qb who can go top 3 rounds

Caleb
Maye
JJ
Nix
Daniels
Rattler
Penix



Rattler over Penix? Come on.


Tuckrule can’t stop posting about Rattler. It’s a bit weird.
Penix throws 50/50 jump balls?  
Mike from Ohio : 3/25/2024 7:33 pm : link
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Tuckrule is just pulling stuff out of his ass to feed his Rattler addiction.
RE: I don’t like Daniel’s or penix  
bwitz : 3/25/2024 7:39 pm : link
In comment 16445831 Tuckrule said:
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Penix benefited from great WRs. His “accuracy” was chuck and duck 50/50 balls to the field side. In the nfl that isn’t there. Safeties are faster and corners are better. And the field side isn’t wide open. Watch the tape. He’s a great college qb won’t be good in the pros

Daniels has a weak arm but he’s athletic. I don’t see his running as dynamic but at least he has more tools to work with and he’s a tough runner when he does. He also snaps the ball with a quick release. A lot of stuff was to the numbers so not sure he has the arm talent to work the middle deep in the nfl but more tools to work with for sure.


Rattler- I’m very high on I made it clear. He has all the tools with him it’s between the ears. He checks all the boxes besides height for a qb. Otherwise he’s a stud. If he checks out mentally he’s a great prospect. I’ve said I want him even round 2 and I’d trade up back into round 2 to get him. He’s that talented and he’s tough as nails.


You’re completely moronic on Rattler
2nd round talent imv  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/26/2024 6:43 am : link
With the injury, I would consider him in the mid 2nd or later. 6th year player gives him a huge advantage imv.

System QB. Little elevation in the CFPC game. He did have pressure on him but that is what you often face in the NFL and he looked overwhelmed and wound up getting injured.

Big fan of Penix - would be happy with him, even at 6  
Formerly TD : 3/26/2024 7:15 am : link
I know about the injuries, age, etc., but he’s the best deep passer in this class. Period. That counts a lot in my book.

I also might be in the minority but I think Odunze benefitted from Penix more than Penix benefitted from Odunze. Penix has great ball placement - especially downfield. In the NFL, with the windows much tighter, I think that skill will shine through.
Penix is healthy now let's go from there  
gtt350 : 3/26/2024 11:38 am : link
remember in High School when you broke your arm or sprained an ankle
RE: Terrified of contact. Accuracy issues  
Ron Johnson : 3/26/2024 11:54 am : link
In comment 16445682 Tuckrule said:
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Benefited from 3 stud WRs and a great offensive line. Plus the wider hashes more field side room. Easy pass for me and wouldn’t touch him until round 3 at best. He is my least favorite qb who can go top 3 rounds

Caleb
Maye
JJ
Nix
Daniels
Rattler
Penix



Eli was terrified of contact. Because of it he played 200 straight games.
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