andrew thomas' 5 year extension with 67m fully guaranteed is/was highest of all non-QB offensive players.
52m was the previous high of fully guaranteed $ to WRs (tyreek).
with the cap going up, his 2 year cash without an extension would be 19.5m this year and 26.5m next year, both essentially guaranteed so a total of $46m already essentially has him as 1 of the highest paid WRs in the NFL.
75m (+30m guaranteed) is probably the number he should be holding out for.
if he gets 150m total he will be only the 3rd non-QB to hit that mark, and the only non-pass rusher (bosa, jones the other 2). that is probably what it should take to get the best WR in football extended. id heard a few surprising trade rumors with him last week but i think they were bs because the main one was a team that seems almost impossible cap wise. probably just bs ahead of the negotiation.
Minnesota has historically been a team which picks up QB's with some experience and then elevates their play by surrounding them with good talent. Short of Fran Tarkenton (back in the day), I can't recall them going for top of the 1st round QB's.
RE: Jefferson was never going to be that bargaining chip
Minnesota has historically been a team which picks up QB's with some experience and then elevates their play by surrounding them with good talent. Short of Fran Tarkenton (back in the day), I can't recall them going for top of the 1st round QB's.
He's easily the best skill player in the NFL, so this feels right.
I think this puts Minnesota in a position where they have to trade 3 first round picks to get a QB.
i dont expect him to top the bosa deal, but i would guess he tops the total value of the chris jones deal.
brian burns got 76m fully guaranteed, also wouldnt be shocked to see him top that number.
when you are clearly the best player at your position and in the elite category jefferson is, i think the comps start going beyond positional to him vs best players overall.
i dont think he will get to Bosa because Edge is still the more expensive position than WR and Bosa is just as elite, but it wouldnt shock me if he gets closer to Bosa's 170m than 150m. i think my guesses would probably come in at the exact midpoints of this report and bosa, 160m total and 80m gtd. making him the 2nd biggest total non-qb guarantee ahead of burns, and 2nd biggest total non-qb contract ahead of chris jones' 158m.
RE: RE: Jefferson was never going to be that bargaining chip
Can you name a single instance where the top WR in the NFL was traded away as they entered their prime to move up in the draft and draft a QB?
And let’s game this out, they trade him to Chicago (who just made all the WR moves), for Caleb Williams?
Tyreek got traded after his age 27,
Diggs got traded after his age 26,
OBJ got traded after his age 26,
AJB got traded after his age 24.
Davante was older when he got traded but that's another recent one which leads the reality that 4 of the 5 highest paid WRs in the NFL right now have been traded.
Jefferson is probably in another class from all of them and just had his age 24 but they have been in an extension stalemate since the end of the summer. His team appears to be trending towards a rookie QB. Any big trade of an elite player is a long shot until it happens, as far as long shots go i think this one was in play. the packers traded davante when they still had rodgers and the chiefs traded tyreek when they still had mahomes.
RE: RE: RE: Jefferson was never going to be that bargaining chip
Can you name a single instance where the top WR in the NFL was traded away as they entered their prime to move up in the draft and draft a QB?
And let’s game this out, they trade him to Chicago (who just made all the WR moves), for Caleb Williams?
I don't know what they may or may not do. The question could be, do you want the QB or do you want the WR? We know NE is very interested in a WR and has been exploring that market. If Minn has plans to trade all the way from 11 to 3, it is going to cost them a massive haul. It would almost certainly be at least 3 #1s for them. One advantage NYG has in terms of what they can offer NE is a blue chip player likely available at pick 6 opposed to who they could get at 11. It's not an unrealistic at all that they find themselves in a bidding war to get to #3. And the strength of NYGs pick at #6 and caliber of player available there (MHJ/Nabers/Odunze) opposed to 11 could be the exact reason Minn loses on a bid to go get their guy. In that sense, Jefferson could have been a game-changer for them had they been willing. So while none of us knows what the conversations might have involved, I for one am glad to see the option off the table for them.
Hill was paid once already and wanted out from KC it seemed, and they already had Mahomes.
Diggs was replaced with another WR, had their QB
Beckham wasn’t Beckham anymore
Brown was a nut job but also was resigned by Pitt year 3.
I can’t recall any of those guys turning the picks into future QB but maybe I’m missing something. I get being at a stalemate but that seems to happen a lot so I didn’t think it wasn’t getting done. It wasn’t a Higgins scenario where a Chase already exists.
I think re-signing Jefferson makes it more probable that they move up for a QB.
I do agree with you. I also think at this point they probably have their eyes set on #4 more so than #3. The cost to get to 3 is probably prohibitive opposed to 4 where they aren't fighting a current of convincing a QB needy team to move off of drafting one in the top 3. The ideal situation for them is to pair a young QB with JJ, obviously, which is where we are.
Cards and Chargers are all good with trading down to 11.
Look at what Odunze did at the combine
Look at what Nabors did TODAY
and MHJ has already been fitted with his "Gold jacket".
If these 3 teams decide to trade with Minn, rather than the Giants, they miss out on all 3 of these guys. #6, in this draft, is a HUGE bargaining chip.
Our 6 plus next year's 1 and this year's 47 should be the winning hand.
Cards and Chargers are all good with trading down to 11.
Look at what Odunze did at the combine
Look at what Nabors did TODAY
and MHJ has already been fitted with his "Gold jacket".
If these 3 teams decide to trade with Minn, rather than the Giants, they miss out on all 3 of these guys. #6, in this draft, is a HUGE bargaining chip.
Our 6 plus next year's 1 and this year's 47 should be the winning hand.
But if you could collect a haul for Jefferson in a trade, I would do it because the college pipeline is so dependable year after year with great prospects.
I think re-signing Jefferson makes it more probable that they move up for a QB.
from Jefferson's end do you think he views that favorably though? locking up 5 years of his prime with 5 years of whoever the 3rd/4th rookie qb is this year?
he may not have a choice, but to your post above about there being extenuating circumstances with some of those other WRs forcing trades, I think there are circumstances here too. 1 also being that MIN may not even be able to get up to the QB4.
52m was the previous high of fully guaranteed $ to WRs (tyreek).
with the cap going up, his 2 year cash without an extension would be 19.5m this year and 26.5m next year, both essentially guaranteed so a total of $46m already essentially has him as 1 of the highest paid WRs in the NFL.
75m (+30m guaranteed) is probably the number he should be holding out for.
if he gets 150m total he will be only the 3rd non-QB to hit that mark, and the only non-pass rusher (bosa, jones the other 2). that is probably what it should take to get the best WR in football extended. id heard a few surprising trade rumors with him last week but i think they were bs because the main one was a team that seems almost impossible cap wise. probably just bs ahead of the negotiation.
I think this puts Minnesota in a position where they have to trade 3 first round picks to get a QB.
Can't pay both. Fully expect the Vikings to be eagerly trying to move up in the draft to get their guy. Whomever that is.
I did just fine with Nick Mullens throwing him the ball.
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I think this puts Minnesota in a position where they have to trade 3 first round picks to get a QB.
i dont expect him to top the bosa deal, but i would guess he tops the total value of the chris jones deal.
brian burns got 76m fully guaranteed, also wouldnt be shocked to see him top that number.
when you are clearly the best player at your position and in the elite category jefferson is, i think the comps start going beyond positional to him vs best players overall.
i dont think he will get to Bosa because Edge is still the more expensive position than WR and Bosa is just as elite, but it wouldnt shock me if he gets closer to Bosa's 170m than 150m. i think my guesses would probably come in at the exact midpoints of this report and bosa, 160m total and 80m gtd. making him the 2nd biggest total non-qb guarantee ahead of burns, and 2nd biggest total non-qb contract ahead of chris jones' 158m.
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Thanks for the inside intel.
Can you name a single instance where the top WR in the NFL was traded away as they entered their prime to move up in the draft and draft a QB?
And let’s game this out, they trade him to Chicago (who just made all the WR moves), for Caleb Williams?
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Thanks for the inside intel.
Can you name a single instance where the top WR in the NFL was traded away as they entered their prime to move up in the draft and draft a QB?
And let’s game this out, they trade him to Chicago (who just made all the WR moves), for Caleb Williams?
I don’t think he’s a top WR but the closest thing I can think of is DJ Moore.
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Thanks for the inside intel.
Can you name a single instance where the top WR in the NFL was traded away as they entered their prime to move up in the draft and draft a QB?
And let’s game this out, they trade him to Chicago (who just made all the WR moves), for Caleb Williams?
Tyreek got traded after his age 27,
Diggs got traded after his age 26,
OBJ got traded after his age 26,
AJB got traded after his age 24.
Davante was older when he got traded but that's another recent one which leads the reality that 4 of the 5 highest paid WRs in the NFL right now have been traded.
Jefferson is probably in another class from all of them and just had his age 24 but they have been in an extension stalemate since the end of the summer. His team appears to be trending towards a rookie QB. Any big trade of an elite player is a long shot until it happens, as far as long shots go i think this one was in play. the packers traded davante when they still had rodgers and the chiefs traded tyreek when they still had mahomes.
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Thanks for the inside intel.
Can you name a single instance where the top WR in the NFL was traded away as they entered their prime to move up in the draft and draft a QB?
And let’s game this out, they trade him to Chicago (who just made all the WR moves), for Caleb Williams?
I don't know what they may or may not do. The question could be, do you want the QB or do you want the WR? We know NE is very interested in a WR and has been exploring that market. If Minn has plans to trade all the way from 11 to 3, it is going to cost them a massive haul. It would almost certainly be at least 3 #1s for them. One advantage NYG has in terms of what they can offer NE is a blue chip player likely available at pick 6 opposed to who they could get at 11. It's not an unrealistic at all that they find themselves in a bidding war to get to #3. And the strength of NYGs pick at #6 and caliber of player available there (MHJ/Nabers/Odunze) opposed to 11 could be the exact reason Minn loses on a bid to go get their guy. In that sense, Jefferson could have been a game-changer for them had they been willing. So while none of us knows what the conversations might have involved, I for one am glad to see the option off the table for them.
Hill was paid once already and wanted out from KC it seemed, and they already had Mahomes.
Diggs was replaced with another WR, had their QB
Beckham wasn’t Beckham anymore
Brown was a nut job but also was resigned by Pitt year 3.
I can’t recall any of those guys turning the picks into future QB but maybe I’m missing something. I get being at a stalemate but that seems to happen a lot so I didn’t think it wasn’t getting done. It wasn’t a Higgins scenario where a Chase already exists.
Look at what Odunze did at the combine
Look at what Nabors did TODAY
and MHJ has already been fitted with his "Gold jacket".
If these 3 teams decide to trade with Minn, rather than the Giants, they miss out on all 3 of these guys. #6, in this draft, is a HUGE bargaining chip.
Our 6 plus next year's 1 and this year's 47 should be the winning hand.
Look at what Odunze did at the combine
Look at what Nabors did TODAY
and MHJ has already been fitted with his "Gold jacket".
If these 3 teams decide to trade with Minn, rather than the Giants, they miss out on all 3 of these guys. #6, in this draft, is a HUGE bargaining chip.
Our 6 plus next year's 1 and this year's 47 should be the winning hand.
I agree.
I tend to agree.
But if you could collect a haul for Jefferson in a trade, I would do it because the college pipeline is so dependable year after year with great prospects.
from Jefferson's end do you think he views that favorably though? locking up 5 years of his prime with 5 years of whoever the 3rd/4th rookie qb is this year?
he may not have a choice, but to your post above about there being extenuating circumstances with some of those other WRs forcing trades, I think there are circumstances here too. 1 also being that MIN may not even be able to get up to the QB4.