Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
Have to think Brandon Brown has already been a big help in that area...
Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
Absolutely would try to hire the guy. Sorry, Schoen and Brandon Brown aren't exactly cutting it.
Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
Have to think Brandon Brown has already been a big help in that area...
why would you think that? he had nothing to do with salary in Philadelphia.
Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
Have to think Brandon Brown has already been a big help in that area...
Im sure he shared what he could but I thought he was more on the personnel side. Like I've said about the QB sneak, we should be doing exactly what they do until the league says you can't.
Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Bill can you educate me on this a bit more?
By "void year" I assume that you mean the team has the option to void.
Why would a player sign a backloaded contract with the knowledge that he will never see the funds?
Secondly, doesn't the cap hit stay for the void years? So eventually the 100 million not paid to Hurts has to stay against the cap right? Are they just playing the inflation game in knowing that in 5 years the cap will be so much higher that the dead cap hit will be manageable?
Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Maybe that phrase was overdoing it, I didn't mean to imply that I thought they had some secret formula. But doesn't it make you wonder why no one follows suit? I guess I meant more about their philosophy.
Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Maybe that phrase was overdoing it, I didn't mean to imply that I thought they had some secret formula. But doesn't it make you wonder why no one follows suit? I guess I meant more about their philosophy.
Yeah, you have to be willing to play hardball. I'm sure they have projections on their income, the cap and budgets drawn up for future years but so does everyone else. They just took it to another level.
Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Maybe that phrase was overdoing it, I didn't mean to imply that I thought they had some secret formula. But doesn't it make you wonder why no one follows suit? I guess I meant more about their philosophy.
Yeah, you have to be willing to play hardball. I'm sure they have projections on their income, the cap and budgets drawn up for future years but so does everyone else. They just took it to another level.
Do you anticipate other teams will follow suit? Copycat league, cant beat em join em, etc. At least until some GM comes up snake eyes with a 9 figure dead cap hit.
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There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Bill can you educate me on this a bit more?
By "void year" I assume that you mean the team has the option to void.
Why would a player sign a backloaded contract with the knowledge that he will never see the funds?
Secondly, doesn't the cap hit stay for the void years? So eventually the 100 million not paid to Hurts has to stay against the cap right? Are they just playing the inflation game in knowing that in 5 years the cap will be so much higher that the dead cap hit will be manageable?
Void years are years they can amortize the signing bonus past the stated years of the contract. Hurts contract has 9/10 total years. 5 plus 4/5 void years.
Yes, they are on the hook for the $100m that is in the void years. If they resign him that is added to the new contract which I gather is their plan.
In comment 16448021 BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit said:
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In comment 16447932 BillT said:
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Bill can you educate me on this a bit more?
By "void year" I assume that you mean the team has the option to void.
Why would a player sign a backloaded contract with the knowledge that he will never see the funds?
Secondly, doesn't the cap hit stay for the void years? So eventually the 100 million not paid to Hurts has to stay against the cap right? Are they just playing the inflation game in knowing that in 5 years the cap will be so much higher that the dead cap hit will be manageable?
Void years are years they can amortize the signing bonus past the stated years of the contract. Hurts contract has 9/10 total years. 5 plus 4/5 void years.
Yes, they are on the hook for the $100m that is in the void years. If they resign him that is added to the new contract which I gather is their plan.
I am not an expert in this by any means, but I thought the trick of the void years is that that is the non-guaranteed money and either you cut him or resign him, but the void stuff never comes home to count.
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I am not an expert in this by any means, but I thought the trick of the void years is that that is the non-guaranteed money and either you cut him or resign him, but the void stuff never comes home to count.
Interesting you mention this because OTC added an extra column on the Hurts detail page for option bonus. Normally, the signing bonus is what’s amortized which is paid money that will count at some point. But the Hurts contract has a huge amount in option bonuses the details of when they become payable is unknown. So, to your point yes and no I guess.
I would imagine Brandon Brown would be on the phone immediately. However, since Kevin Abrams is so ensconced in the front office with salary cap and contract work he may not be interested. This seems like a bit of an odd move since it doesn't seem like he is leaving for another position in particular and he's been there so long, but I bet we get news soon.
Here's hoping...
This guy looks like someone he'd target to join the boys.
I can't help but believe that sneaky bastard is up to no good. hopefully. lol.
Have to think Brandon Brown has already been a big help in that area...
Absolutely would try to hire the guy. Sorry, Schoen and Brandon Brown aren't exactly cutting it.
I can't help but believe that sneaky bastard is up to no good. hopefully. lol.
I thought the same thing. Get out before the ponzi scheme collapses.
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Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
Have to think Brandon Brown has already been a big help in that area...
why would you think that? he had nothing to do with salary in Philadelphia.
Whoa! Watch what you say, and never disrespect LPG that way!
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
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Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
Have to think Brandon Brown has already been a big help in that area...
Im sure he shared what he could but I thought he was more on the personnel side. Like I've said about the QB sneak, we should be doing exactly what they do until the league says you can't.
It looked like it pretty much had, down the stretch.
As long as Philly drafts stars and makes amazing trades they will keep winning.
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Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Bill can you educate me on this a bit more?
By "void year" I assume that you mean the team has the option to void.
Why would a player sign a backloaded contract with the knowledge that he will never see the funds?
Secondly, doesn't the cap hit stay for the void years? So eventually the 100 million not paid to Hurts has to stay against the cap right? Are they just playing the inflation game in knowing that in 5 years the cap will be so much higher that the dead cap hit will be manageable?
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Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Maybe that phrase was overdoing it, I didn't mean to imply that I thought they had some secret formula. But doesn't it make you wonder why no one follows suit? I guess I meant more about their philosophy.
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Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Maybe that phrase was overdoing it, I didn't mean to imply that I thought they had some secret formula. But doesn't it make you wonder why no one follows suit? I guess I meant more about their philosophy.
Yeah, you have to be willing to play hardball. I'm sure they have projections on their income, the cap and budgets drawn up for future years but so does everyone else. They just took it to another level.
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In comment 16447795 j_rud said:
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Basically he says that the work isn't worth the time it requires if you can't advance, that he wants to be a GM, and wants to go where he'll have a chance to be promoted. Hopefully that isn't here, best thing for us is for Schoen to succeed, but you better believe I'd make overtures of some sort to learn how the Philly sausage is made.
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Maybe that phrase was overdoing it, I didn't mean to imply that I thought they had some secret formula. But doesn't it make you wonder why no one follows suit? I guess I meant more about their philosophy.
Yeah, you have to be willing to play hardball. I'm sure they have projections on their income, the cap and budgets drawn up for future years but so does everyone else. They just took it to another level.
Do you anticipate other teams will follow suit? Copycat league, cant beat em join em, etc. At least until some GM comes up snake eyes with a 9 figure dead cap hit.
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Bill can you educate me on this a bit more?
By "void year" I assume that you mean the team has the option to void.
Why would a player sign a backloaded contract with the knowledge that he will never see the funds?
Secondly, doesn't the cap hit stay for the void years? So eventually the 100 million not paid to Hurts has to stay against the cap right? Are they just playing the inflation game in knowing that in 5 years the cap will be so much higher that the dead cap hit will be manageable?
Void years are years they can amortize the signing bonus past the stated years of the contract. Hurts contract has 9/10 total years. 5 plus 4/5 void years.
Yes, they are on the hook for the $100m that is in the void years. If they resign him that is added to the new contract which I gather is their plan.
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In comment 16447932 BillT said:
There is no secret to how the sausage is made. They have pushed money out on void years in a way no other franchise ever has. Hurts is the easy example. Of his 5 year/$250m contract, $100m is on the cap in void years after the initial 5 years is over. His "5 year/$50m AAV" contract is only a $30m AAV contract through his first 5 years. It's easy and anyone can play.
Bill can you educate me on this a bit more?
By "void year" I assume that you mean the team has the option to void.
Why would a player sign a backloaded contract with the knowledge that he will never see the funds?
Secondly, doesn't the cap hit stay for the void years? So eventually the 100 million not paid to Hurts has to stay against the cap right? Are they just playing the inflation game in knowing that in 5 years the cap will be so much higher that the dead cap hit will be manageable?
Void years are years they can amortize the signing bonus past the stated years of the contract. Hurts contract has 9/10 total years. 5 plus 4/5 void years.
Yes, they are on the hook for the $100m that is in the void years. If they resign him that is added to the new contract which I gather is their plan.
I am not an expert in this by any means, but I thought the trick of the void years is that that is the non-guaranteed money and either you cut him or resign him, but the void stuff never comes home to count.
I am not an expert in this by any means, but I thought the trick of the void years is that that is the non-guaranteed money and either you cut him or resign him, but the void stuff never comes home to count.
Interesting you mention this because OTC added an extra column on the Hurts detail page for option bonus. Normally, the signing bonus is what’s amortized which is paid money that will count at some point. But the Hurts contract has a huge amount in option bonuses the details of when they become payable is unknown. So, to your point yes and no I guess.