outside of the injury situation. What are his limitations as a QB that are hard to coach around, whereas guys like McCarthy and Maye have "potential?"
90% of the limitations you will read on this forum are a direct output of the National Championship game against Michigan which seems to be the only game Penix played that many on this board watched.
"He is a statue. He can't handle pressure. He just throws jump balls to stellar receivers."
Some of the dumbest posts I have seen on this site are from people who drew conclusions about Penix based only on that game.
90% of the limitations you will read on this forum are a direct output of the National Championship game against Michigan which seems to be the only game Penix played that many on this board watched.
Agreed, it's been very hard to sort through the noise of that game to get an informed opinion on the guy.
If we landed Odunze and Trade up for Penix. Penix has his medical concerns, but I have absolutely no doubt he will be a good pro. Even if his career is cut short, I could still live with 4 or 5 years of good play.
That would be a great draft if that would happen. Joe Schoen should continue adding to the OL, for the sake of the QB, whomever is under center.
I don't know how JS could be able to draft those two gifted players, but I sure wish he'd give it a chance to happen.
Penix + Brian Thomas would be my dream first round
If we can find a way to land Penix and have enough capital to trade up for Thomas, that would be a coup.
Love Nabers but I think you have to get the QB first, for fear if losing him. There will still be some great weapons/pass catchers on the board after pick 16. Can’t say the same about QB.
Ideal scenario: trade down with Min for 11 and 23. Draft Penix at 11. Trade back into the teens using 23 + 47/70 to nab Thomas (or Mitchell as a fall-back).
for non-runners to succeed. we all know the bust rate on qbs, i think when you have to win entirely from the pocket that makes the margin for error that much slimmer. many of the qbs who have overachieved in the last decade (russ, dak, hurts, lamar, etc) did so in part because they were able to run early in their careers before they developed as passers.
the 4.58 forty is interesting and a factor that warrants revisiting what's achievable, but its hard to know whats achievable especially given the injury history.
cj stroud was no great runner but he'd at least shown against UGA it may be a skill he could tap into (12 rushes, 34 yards) - which he did as a rookie running 39 times for 167 yards, 4 ypc, and 17 first downs. he had also only played 2 years of CFB so was in theory less of a developed product. herbert isnt considered a runner but in the cristobal offense he did run a bit (in his last rose bowl vs wis he had almost as many completions as rush attempts). herbert has run for 911 yards (4.1 ypc) and 81 first downs in 62 games a pro.
total non-runners like goff have a much higher burden of success from pocket. penix is almost 24 and been in CFB for 6 years, i think it's likely he is in that non-runner category though like i said the 40 time does at least make you wonder if he can at least keep defenses honest with 1-2 well timed runs (esp in rz).
RE: RE: I'm honestly waiting to hear a precise argument against Penix
Some of the dumbest posts I have seen on this site are from people who drew conclusions about Penix based only on that game.
This is true.
On the other hand, I have read quite a bit that McCarthy showed his greatness forever with his game-tying drive versus Alabama. The tone of some of these comments would make you believe this was akin to Brady's SB comeback against the Falcons.
age only matters if there’s a high likelihood of untapped potential, and Penix is the better passer right now by a big margin. The injuries can’t be ignored but his age doesn’t matter.
RE: RE: RE: I'm honestly waiting to hear a precise argument against Penix
Some of the dumbest posts I have seen on this site are from people who drew conclusions about Penix based only on that game.
This is true.
On the other hand, I have read quite a bit that McCarthy showed his greatness forever with his game-tying drive versus Alabama. The tone of some of these comments would make you believe this was akin to Brady's SB comeback against the Falcons.
Yeah you can tell who watches college football and who tuned in for the CFP games.
RE: RE: RE: I'm honestly waiting to hear a precise argument against Penix
Some of the dumbest posts I have seen on this site are from people who drew conclusions about Penix based only on that game.
This is true.
On the other hand, I have read quite a bit that McCarthy showed his greatness forever with his game-tying drive versus Alabama. The tone of some of these comments would make you believe this was akin to Brady's SB comeback against the Falcons.
Maybe you guys can sit down together and tell each other how smart and all-knowing you are.
"You're smart!"
"No, you're smarter!"
"No, you are really!"
RE: i have no problem if they take penix but i think it's a lot harder
for non-runners to succeed. we all know the bust rate on qbs, i think when you have to win entirely from the pocket that makes the margin for error that much slimmer. many of the qbs who have overachieved in the last decade (russ, dak, hurts, lamar, etc) did so in part because they were able to run early in their careers before they developed as passers.
Agreed. Being a purely pocket player/savant like Brady is definitely possible, but that takes time because NFL defenses are just galaxies better than college defenses.
So, I would rather gamble (and even fail) on a mobile QB than have to construct a top OL for a mostly stationary QB hoping that he can master that role.
One of the toughest players to peg due to injuries. Could go in the teens, could go in the 3rd round or later. Will be very interesting to see where he winds up. I have a feeling he will put his injury history behind him and have a great NFL career like Frank Gore did after sliding in the draft due to injury history. I would take him at 47 if he slid and we took WR in rd1.
Theres no shot he makes it to the 3rd round or later.
I'm guessing he doesn't make it past 20 and that's being conservative.
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in college because sacks count as rush attempts, but Penix did run a bit at Indy. And while he has run much less at UW, was that due to his injuries or offensive design? UW wanted to throw deep, they didn’t call on the QB to run much. Even then, Penix did have a couple of games where he ripped off a couple of big runs. 2 rushes for 34 yds v WSU, 3 for 31 v TX, 3 for 22 v OSU.
He’s never going to be Lamar, but I think he can run enough to keep defenses honest. I’m more concerned with how he maneuvers in the pocket, and I’ve been really impressed there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm honestly waiting to hear a precise argument against Penix
Some of the dumbest posts I have seen on this site are from people who drew conclusions about Penix based only on that game.
This is true.
On the other hand, I have read quite a bit that McCarthy showed his greatness forever with his game-tying drive versus Alabama. The tone of some of these comments would make you believe this was akin to Brady's SB comeback against the Falcons.
Maybe you guys can sit down together and tell each other how smart and all-knowing you are.
"You're smart!"
"No, you're smarter!"
"No, you are really!"
Drawing broad opinions on a player from a single game is dumb. If you want to act like that is some weird superiority complex have at it, but it is absolutely dumb.
Look at jones, guts hurt all the time. I'd rather my QB find the receiver and move around a little. He can throw it away and live another day.
Age is BS, he's 24 so what! Brady played into his 40s. If nothing else he may be more NFL ready than the rest, maybe he's a short term answer, but we just don't know.
Getting a stud WR and this guy will change our offense over night. If Neal can't cut it on the right then we have Eluemunor.
No risk it, no biscuit!
RE: RE: RE: Anyone have a clue when Penix will be taken?
One of the toughest players to peg due to injuries. Could go in the teens, could go in the 3rd round or later. Will be very interesting to see where he winds up. I have a feeling he will put his injury history behind him and have a great NFL career like Frank Gore did after sliding in the draft due to injury history. I would take him at 47 if he slid and we took WR in rd1.
Theres no shot he makes it to the 3rd round or later.
I'm guessing he doesn't make it past 20 and that's being conservative.
I would find it surprising…2 ACL injuries on the same knee. Has a player ever came back from 3 ACL injuries? If not, that is a massive risk for a 1st round QB.
They can do both. No matter what you think of Jones's talent, it's the smart thing to do. You can never have too many quarterbacks. I'm actually a big Penix fan. Aside from the injury history, he's my kind of QB, but I'm not sure he's Daboll's kind of QB.
They can do both. No matter what you think of Jones's talent, it's the smart thing to do. You can never have too many quarterbacks. I'm actually a big Penix fan. Aside from the injury history, he's my kind of QB, but I'm not sure he's Daboll's kind of QB.
The Giants are not drafting a QB in the first round to serve as Jones' back-up for the next three years.
Penix is a great downfield passer with a very strong arm.
He had an amazing year in 2023. However, I have some concerns.
Certain traits are more indicative of success.
Younger prospects have demonstrated more success when transitioning to the NFL. Penix will be 24 on May 8th.
The ability to produce under pressure is one of the most determining factors in QBs.
Penix is tied with Maye at 43% having the lowest completion rate among the QBs.
Penix did not face a lot of pressure, he had one of the best lines in college football.
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-Michael Penix has an average PFF grade under pressure. Penix is only completing 43% of his passes when under pressure, but his adj. completion rate is average amongst the prospects. Penix has been sacked second least, with the lowest time to throw, even though he leads all the others in ADOT. Penix converts pressures to first downs at the 2nd lowest rate in the group.
The ability to extend plays and escape pressure.
Penix Jr has extremely good athleticism but he does not use it to extend plays. He will force passes and throw balls away to avoid taking a sack when opportunities to run exist.
Health and physique.
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a problematic injury history, including two ACL tears; his age (he will be 24 in the spring, which could be interpreted as a limitation on further improvement); a slim lower body; a slightly sidewinding, left-handed delivery; a lack of a running element to his game; some difficulty with shorter throws; and uncertainty regarding how much of his success can be attributed to an elite receiver group (particularly Rome Odunze) and an elite scheme under coach Kalen DeBoer and offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb.
Short and intermediate passing leaves a lot to be desired.
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While lauding Penix’s downfield prowess, another scout echoed concerns about the shorter passing game: “His release point is super low. That’s why the short and intermediate game is spotty. He has a fastball throw, not a lot of touch.”
In conclusion, I believe that Penix Jr may have reached his potential and that there is not a lot of upside. He has draftable skills but they do not offset some problems.
The inability to process under pressure, his frail frame and injury history, inaccuracy underneath, funky release, and his inability to extend plays, raise concerns.
If he were a third-round pick I could see betting on his potential to develop.
I hope the Giants don't consider him until the third round.
Poor in the championship game when the environment wasn't very favorable. After a bunch of hits he winds up being hobbled on the field. Very concerning considering his injury history.
Hard to replicate the favorable environments that a lot of of these college QB's enjoy in the NFL. Being durable matters imv.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Anyone have a clue when Penix will be taken?
a carbon copy of Philip Rivers. You can videos of Penix flipped to make it look like he’s a righty, and the similarity is uncanny. I don’t remember anyone complaining about Rivers’ short to intermediate accuracy.
I honestly wouldn't consider Penix until the third round
Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
The Giants had a BIG crew in Seattle for Washington QB Michael Penix and WR Rome Odunze's Pro Day. In the group: HC Brian Daboll, OC Mike Kafka, QBs coach Shea Tierney, WRs coach Mike Groh, plus GM Joe Schoen, ass't GM Brandon Brown and director of player personnel Tim McDonnell.
The talk around Penix has been so negative for months, but they don't seem to buy into it.
I did listen to them. Like everyone they have their own biases about what makes a good NFL QB. For any of the Top 6 QB's you can find a commentator who says that their specific skill set makes them the at or near the top of this year's class. In the right set up I think Penix can be a solid NFL starting QB, but I question if that is the Giants. Our weakest point of our OL would be his blindside and he does have an injury history. Look at what has happened with someone like Tua in the NFL (who the Dolphins would be stupid to overpay but are in a tough situation because they are too good to get a replacement in the draft and have no cap room to sign someone)
They were very good, but the 11 sacks has as much, if not more, to do with Penix getting rid of the ball quickly. He was pressured on 25% of his drop backs, so it’s not like he wasn’t pressured. And his average yardage per completion under pressure was the highest of any of the top 6 QB’s.
I’ve watched every one of his throws, and if I could find a fault, it’s that he did seem at times too quick to throw the ball away. How much of that is on him, or him being coached not to take sacks, I don’t know, but you can be sure Daboll asked him about it.
If we landed Odunze and Trade up for Penix. Penix has his medical concerns, but I have absolutely no doubt he will be a good pro. Even if his career is cut short, I could still live with 4 or 5 years of good play.
I am with you but he will not last long. I think he will be gone pretty quick so I don't see it happening. If Giants want him take him at six and trade back up for WR .
The Giants are not drafting a QB in the first round to serve as Jones' back-up for the next three years.
One year at a time. Unless the rumor is true, but we don't know that. If he's perfectly healthy, I expect Jones to start the season. And then they can let 2024 determine what they do in 2025.
Klatt says Penix would be an upgrade over Tua throwing to those speedsters. If that's the case, what about throwing to Slayton and Hyatt? Link - ( New Window )
90% of the limitations you will read on this forum are a direct output of the National Championship game against Michigan which seems to be the only game Penix played that many on this board watched.
"He is a statue. He can't handle pressure. He just throws jump balls to stellar receivers."
Some of the dumbest posts I have seen on this site are from people who drew conclusions about Penix based only on that game.
Miami was scared of Brees' shoulder in FA and that was on his throwing arm, so he goes to New Orleans and will be a HOFer.
Agreed, it's been very hard to sort through the noise of that game to get an informed opinion on the guy.
Daniel Jones ran a 4.81 at the combine and a 4.67 at his pro day by way of comparison.
But Jones is a weapon as a runner and Penix is a statue...
Age (24 soon) and a laundry list of injuries. It's a big factor for many teams and he may not be on many teams' draft boards.
Maye and McCarthy are 22 (Maye, 22 in August) and 21 and don't have the injury history.
He may be a fine gamble later on, but for a 1st round pick, it (injuries) is a big risk.
That would be a great draft if that would happen. Joe Schoen should continue adding to the OL, for the sake of the QB, whomever is under center.
I don't know how JS could be able to draft those two gifted players, but I sure wish he'd give it a chance to happen.
Love Nabers but I think you have to get the QB first, for fear if losing him. There will still be some great weapons/pass catchers on the board after pick 16. Can’t say the same about QB.
Ideal scenario: trade down with Min for 11 and 23. Draft Penix at 11. Trade back into the teens using 23 + 47/70 to nab Thomas (or Mitchell as a fall-back).
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outside of the injury situation. What are his limitations as a QB that are hard to coach around, whereas guys like McCarthy and Maye have "potential?"
Age (24 soon) and a laundry list of injuries. It's a big factor for many teams and he may not be on many teams' draft boards.
Maye and McCarthy are 22 (Maye, 22 in August) and 21 and don't have the injury history.
He may be a fine gamble later on, but for a 1st round pick, it (injuries) is a big risk.
Maye and McCarthy also weren't as good as Penix. Does that factor in?
Watch the three guys throw and there's only one conclusion.
the 4.58 forty is interesting and a factor that warrants revisiting what's achievable, but its hard to know whats achievable especially given the injury history.
cj stroud was no great runner but he'd at least shown against UGA it may be a skill he could tap into (12 rushes, 34 yards) - which he did as a rookie running 39 times for 167 yards, 4 ypc, and 17 first downs. he had also only played 2 years of CFB so was in theory less of a developed product. herbert isnt considered a runner but in the cristobal offense he did run a bit (in his last rose bowl vs wis he had almost as many completions as rush attempts). herbert has run for 911 yards (4.1 ypc) and 81 first downs in 62 games a pro.
total non-runners like goff have a much higher burden of success from pocket. penix is almost 24 and been in CFB for 6 years, i think it's likely he is in that non-runner category though like i said the 40 time does at least make you wonder if he can at least keep defenses honest with 1-2 well timed runs (esp in rz).
Some of the dumbest posts I have seen on this site are from people who drew conclusions about Penix based only on that game.
This is true.
On the other hand, I have read quite a bit that McCarthy showed his greatness forever with his game-tying drive versus Alabama. The tone of some of these comments would make you believe this was akin to Brady's SB comeback against the Falcons.
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outside of the injury situation. What are his limitations as a QB that are hard to coach around, whereas guys like McCarthy and Maye have "potential?"
Age (24 soon) and a laundry list of injuries. It's a big factor for many teams and he may not be on many teams' draft boards.
Maye and McCarthy are 22 (Maye, 22 in August) and 21 and don't have the injury history.
He may be a fine gamble later on, but for a 1st round pick, it (injuries) is a big risk.
Maye and McCarthy also weren't as good as Penix. Does that factor in?
Watch the three guys throw and there's only one conclusion.
+1
Would be thrilled with Penix - even at 6.
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Some of the dumbest posts I have seen on this site are from people who drew conclusions about Penix based only on that game.
This is true.
On the other hand, I have read quite a bit that McCarthy showed his greatness forever with his game-tying drive versus Alabama. The tone of some of these comments would make you believe this was akin to Brady's SB comeback against the Falcons.
Yeah you can tell who watches college football and who tuned in for the CFP games.
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Some of the dumbest posts I have seen on this site are from people who drew conclusions about Penix based only on that game.
This is true.
On the other hand, I have read quite a bit that McCarthy showed his greatness forever with his game-tying drive versus Alabama. The tone of some of these comments would make you believe this was akin to Brady's SB comeback against the Falcons.
Maybe you guys can sit down together and tell each other how smart and all-knowing you are.
"You're smart!"
"No, you're smarter!"
"No, you are really!"
Agreed. Being a purely pocket player/savant like Brady is definitely possible, but that takes time because NFL defenses are just galaxies better than college defenses.
So, I would rather gamble (and even fail) on a mobile QB than have to construct a top OL for a mostly stationary QB hoping that he can master that role.
Except, he's already had two ACL surgeries on the same right knee. A third ACL tear and surgery could be reconstructive or career ending.
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One of the toughest players to peg due to injuries. Could go in the teens, could go in the 3rd round or later. Will be very interesting to see where he winds up. I have a feeling he will put his injury history behind him and have a great NFL career like Frank Gore did after sliding in the draft due to injury history. I would take him at 47 if he slid and we took WR in rd1.
Theres no shot he makes it to the 3rd round or later.
I'm guessing he doesn't make it past 20 and that's being conservative.
Maybe you guys can sit down together and tell each other how smart and all-knowing you are.
"You're smart!"
"No, you're smarter!"
"No, you are really!"
Smarter? No. More informed? Most of the time - yes.
So, that's the better word - informed.
He’s never going to be Lamar, but I think he can run enough to keep defenses honest. I’m more concerned with how he maneuvers in the pocket, and I’ve been really impressed there.
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Some of the dumbest posts I have seen on this site are from people who drew conclusions about Penix based only on that game.
This is true.
On the other hand, I have read quite a bit that McCarthy showed his greatness forever with his game-tying drive versus Alabama. The tone of some of these comments would make you believe this was akin to Brady's SB comeback against the Falcons.
Maybe you guys can sit down together and tell each other how smart and all-knowing you are.
"You're smart!"
"No, you're smarter!"
"No, you are really!"
Drawing broad opinions on a player from a single game is dumb. If you want to act like that is some weird superiority complex have at it, but it is absolutely dumb.
Age is BS, he's 24 so what! Brady played into his 40s. If nothing else he may be more NFL ready than the rest, maybe he's a short term answer, but we just don't know.
Getting a stud WR and this guy will change our offense over night. If Neal can't cut it on the right then we have Eluemunor.
No risk it, no biscuit!
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One of the toughest players to peg due to injuries. Could go in the teens, could go in the 3rd round or later. Will be very interesting to see where he winds up. I have a feeling he will put his injury history behind him and have a great NFL career like Frank Gore did after sliding in the draft due to injury history. I would take him at 47 if he slid and we took WR in rd1.
Theres no shot he makes it to the 3rd round or later.
I'm guessing he doesn't make it past 20 and that's being conservative.
I would find it surprising…2 ACL injuries on the same knee. Has a player ever came back from 3 ACL injuries? If not, that is a massive risk for a 1st round QB.
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DJ, they sure are scouting the hell out of QBs...
They can do both. No matter what you think of Jones's talent, it's the smart thing to do. You can never have too many quarterbacks. I'm actually a big Penix fan. Aside from the injury history, he's my kind of QB, but I'm not sure he's Daboll's kind of QB.
The Giants are not drafting a QB in the first round to serve as Jones' back-up for the next three years.
Penix is a great downfield passer with a very strong arm.
He had an amazing year in 2023. However, I have some concerns.
Certain traits are more indicative of success.
Younger prospects have demonstrated more success when transitioning to the NFL. Penix will be 24 on May 8th.
The ability to produce under pressure is one of the most determining factors in QBs.
Penix is tied with Maye at 43% having the lowest completion rate among the QBs.
Penix did not face a lot of pressure, he had one of the best lines in college football.
Washington has thrown the ball 523 times this season, most in the nation, yet allowed only 11 sacks
-Michael Penix has an average PFF grade under pressure. Penix is only completing 43% of his passes when under pressure, but his adj. completion rate is average amongst the prospects. Penix has been sacked second least, with the lowest time to throw, even though he leads all the others in ADOT. Penix converts pressures to first downs at the 2nd lowest rate in the group.
The ability to extend plays and escape pressure.
Penix Jr has extremely good athleticism but he does not use it to extend plays. He will force passes and throw balls away to avoid taking a sack when opportunities to run exist.
Health and physique.
a problematic injury history, including two ACL tears; his age (he will be 24 in the spring, which could be interpreted as a limitation on further improvement); a slim lower body; a slightly sidewinding, left-handed delivery; a lack of a running element to his game; some difficulty with shorter throws; and uncertainty regarding how much of his success can be attributed to an elite receiver group (particularly Rome Odunze) and an elite scheme under coach Kalen DeBoer and offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb.
Short and intermediate passing leaves a lot to be desired.
While lauding Penix’s downfield prowess, another scout echoed concerns about the shorter passing game: “His release point is super low. That’s why the short and intermediate game is spotty. He has a fastball throw, not a lot of touch.”
In conclusion, I believe that Penix Jr may have reached his potential and that there is not a lot of upside. He has draftable skills but they do not offset some problems.
The inability to process under pressure, his frail frame and injury history, inaccuracy underneath, funky release, and his inability to extend plays, raise concerns.
If he were a third-round pick I could see betting on his potential to develop.
Poor in the championship game when the environment wasn't very favorable. After a bunch of hits he winds up being hobbled on the field. Very concerning considering his injury history.
Hard to replicate the favorable environments that a lot of of these college QB's enjoy in the NFL. Being durable matters imv.
Thomas Davis
@AlbertBreer
The Giants had a BIG crew in Seattle for Washington QB Michael Penix and WR Rome Odunze's Pro Day. In the group: HC Brian Daboll, OC Mike Kafka, QBs coach Shea Tierney, WRs coach Mike Groh, plus GM Joe Schoen, ass't GM Brandon Brown and director of player personnel Tim McDonnell.
The Giants obviously have a different assessment than the one posted above by Archer.
I did listen to them. Like everyone they have their own biases about what makes a good NFL QB. For any of the Top 6 QB's you can find a commentator who says that their specific skill set makes them the at or near the top of this year's class. In the right set up I think Penix can be a solid NFL starting QB, but I question if that is the Giants. Our weakest point of our OL would be his blindside and he does have an injury history. Look at what has happened with someone like Tua in the NFL (who the Dolphins would be stupid to overpay but are in a tough situation because they are too good to get a replacement in the draft and have no cap room to sign someone)
I do not like Maye and many consider him a top 3 pick.
My concerns about Penix are similar to my concerns about Maye.
I prefer QBs such as Williams, Daniels, McCarthy, and even Nix.
There is another thing to consider the Giant's contingency is there to see Odunze. He is their potential first pick.
I do not like Maye and many consider him a top 3 pick.
My concerns about Penix are similar to my concerns about Maye.
I prefer QBs such as Williams, Daniels, McCarthy, and even Nix.
There is another thing to consider the Giant's contingency is there to see Odunze. He is their potential first pick.
Odunze is not participating. That does not mean that he isn't present and you can see how he interacts with the players who are participating.
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I do not like Maye and many consider him a top 3 pick.
My concerns about Penix are similar to my concerns about Maye.
I prefer QBs such as Williams, Daniels, McCarthy, and even Nix.
There is another thing to consider the Giant's contingency is there to see Odunze. He is their potential first pick.
That is a large contingent to watch a guy not workout.
Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one - they are there to watch Penix.
At this point it seems like that would cost next year's first rounder in a trade up.
I would be floored, pleasantly, if the Giants drafted Penix. I don't see it.
I’ve watched every one of his throws, and if I could find a fault, it’s that he did seem at times too quick to throw the ball away. How much of that is on him, or him being coached not to take sacks, I don’t know, but you can be sure Daboll asked him about it.
I am with you but he will not last long. I think he will be gone pretty quick so I don't see it happening. If Giants want him take him at six and trade back up for WR .
The Giants are not drafting a QB in the first round to serve as Jones' back-up for the next three years.
Drafting a QB in the first round is not a "one year at a time" move.
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He was no fan of Drake.