In all seriousness though, I think Odunze's skill-set would fit best with his contested catch ability, size and red zone potential. I also think he would be great in the locker room and a natural leader, mental makeup is AAA quality.
For me, from what I've watched he seems to get more open than Odunze and have more YAC ability, speed kills. Seems to have the quicks to play in the slot as well.
Nabers not only has more speed, he's better at getting open and better
at running after the catch. I'd rather trade down if Odunze is the only one of the three top wideouts left and take Brian Thomas, who I think will be a better nfl receiver than Odunze.
or even worse at 4. Get one of these perennial pro bowl wr's then go after Penix in a move up. Penix is just as good a bet as Maye or McCarthy and the investment is much less.
and the Giants could use both. A real, explosive movement Z like Garrett Wilson or Jefferson would be a killer add. Odunze would be a bad fit if Jones winds up taking meaningful snaps in 2024, as Jones has shown a tendency to shy away from contested catch situations. He couldn't get in sync with Golladay. And he has trouble throwing fades and throwing to leverage points.
but faster. I dont think you have to worry about who is the better fit with the other WRs, you just get the best player.
Harrison to me is the best, followed by Nabers and then Odunze. It's very close though and they have different skill sets. Harrison seems like the sure thing/safer pick to be a stud.
He’s the No. 1 guy that can do everything. Go over the middle, outmuscle you in the end zone, and go over the top. Wan’dale is the slot receiver that works the middle of the field and gets first down, and Hyatt is the big play deep threat. A perfect combination of everything you want.
YAC and aeration. I think the Giants value that more than size
Imagine how hard a guy like Nabers is to tackle. Especially now that they banned tackling…lol
This rule change brings a further advantage to those guys like Deebo, Chase, Kupp who are really good and dynamic and difficult to bring down with the ball in their hands.
Odunze is probably a better fit but our QB play is so bad that
Harrison Jr. being there @ 6 isn't so outlandish. For arguments sake, 4 QBs go before us. I could see a team taking Nabers over Harrison Jr. & voila...he's there @ 6. & hell if he's old man, we'd be fortunate in that scenario.
It would be nice to have a big WR like Odunze to pair
with the speedsters, and he just gives me 12 years with the same franchise/heart of a team vibes. He has a lot of those dominant X traits like catch radius, the body control, hands catcher. We talk about him so little, he's often the afterthought at 6 but that's not a reflection of him, just the overall talent.
Nabers to me is more the "modern" NFL receiver, if that makes sense. Average height, thick and kinda built like a RB, the crazy speed and all the characteristics that brings- acceleration, change of direction, etc etc.
This last paragraph I've typed out twice, because it would be hard to pass on Nabers and that's who I originally thought I'd go with. But I have just have a feeling Odunze is gonna be a 10 year captain, Ring of Honor type player and if you really believe that I don't think you pass on the guy.
Ask me this 3 days in a row and you'll get both names, I'm sure.
RE: It would be nice to have a big WR like Odunze to pair
with the speedsters, and he just gives me 12 years with the same franchise/heart of a team vibes. He has a lot of those dominant X traits like catch radius, the body control, hands catcher. We talk about him so little, he's often the afterthought at 6 but that's not a reflection of him, just the overall talent.
Nabers to me is more the "modern" NFL receiver, if that makes sense. Average height, thick and kinda built like a RB, the crazy speed and all the characteristics that brings- acceleration, change of direction, etc etc.
This last paragraph I've typed out twice, because it would be hard to pass on Nabers and that's who I originally thought I'd go with. But I have just have a feeling Odunze is gonna be a 10 year captain, Ring of Honor type player and if you really believe that I don't think you pass on the guy.
Ask me this 3 days in a row and you'll get both names, I'm sure.
I have the same feeling about Odunze. If we go WR and it's not MHJ then I want Odunze and I'd love to pair him with his QB in Penix.
However, we know how Daboll and Kafka love to move guys around and keep the defense guessing. Nabers can play all over. Hyatt you want more in the slot but can play outside on certain plays. Wandale is a slot guy. I think having the flexibility is something Daboll will covet but the good news is that you are in a win win situation.
Yes, I do think Harrison could be there for the Giants.
You'd think after watching the draft year after year folks would stop making statements like "Player X will NEVER be there at pick Y!". But they do it every year.
Could you imagine a Josh Allen redux where they pass? I mean, shit, they're even picking 6th again.
Means he doesn't get separation. He's not Nabers but he's plenty fast and is a great route runner. With a pro coach he's only going to get better. This is not a lumbering power forward.
I think QBs go in the top 3. Then I expect either AZ or the LAC will trade out and the team trading up to take QB-4 (probably McCarthy).
That means whichever one of AZ or the LAC that does NOT trade out will take MHJ.
If the Giants did not trade up to 3, 4 or 5 for a QB, then I think they take Nabers at 6. (My guess is that Daboll prefers the speed, separation and YAC ability of Nabers over Odunze.)
The only way I see the Giants taking Odunze is if none of the top 5 teams trade out. In that scenario I see 3 QB plus MHJ and Nabers going in the top 5.
All depends, I find it interesting that people like Daniel Jeremiah
compared Odunze to Larry Fitzgerald, yet he has him as his 3rd ranked wide receiver, and he mocked him recently going #9. I guess if you think your getting Larry Fitz, you take Odunze.
Nabers probably won't be resigned....as he will seak top dollars.
Odunze seems to be someone who will sign for less to be part of something
Total speculation
So you think that Nabers will seek "top dollars" and Odunze won't?
LOL. Your ability to get inside the heads of how rookie WRs will be feeling 5 years from now is quite impressive.
I get that you say that it's "total speculation" on your part, but based on what exactly?
People come up with these weird takes about the personalities of these prospects. They think they know them based on scant information. So you wind up with Odunze is loyal. Nabers is selfish. Caleb Williams is stupid. I wish folks would check their uninformed hot takes at the door, rather tha projecting their preconceptions onto the players.
Is beyond elite in his double, sometimes triple, moves going into his break….at full speed. Look at his highlights. I am almost certain he gets drafted before MHJ
Has shown enough to me to influence the thinking of pick 6. I'm strictly taking the best WR/player available, which I believe is Nabers in this hypothetical.
Has shown enough to me to influence the thinking of pick 6. I'm strictly taking the best WR/player available, which I believe is Nabers in this hypothetical.
Yes. Are either of them even reliable number threes at this point?
I've heard NFL analysts compare Odunze to Fitzgerald, I haven't heard Nabers being compared to Hill.
I have. And I've heard Nabers compared to Justin Jefferson, Garrett Wilson and DJ Moore. And I've heard Odunze compared to a lot lesser receivers than Fitz. A tall Olave is one comp I've heard, which is still pretty good, but not Fitz. There aren't many who compare him to Fitz. It's just one person's upside comp.
Player with the highest ceiling - the guy who can be a Hall of Fame player. I would guess that's Nabers. Wouldn't complain about Odunze or MHJr either. Those 3 to me seem to have a greater chance to be great than any of the QBs likely to reach us without a trade up costing substantial draft capital. Getting a HOF QB is rare. If we do decide to go for broke on a QB, then the one with the highest upside is probably Maye or even Penix. Maye needs to overcome his accuracy issues and Penix needs to avoid further injury. Time will tell what the Giants believe to be the better course of action.
Wan'Dale was pretty darn impressive last year, even coming off of the ACL and despite shitty QB play.
He was impressive. I don't mean to say he is bad. I think he can have an important role in a good offense. I just don’t think he has the physicality to be an every week star and among the best WRs in the game. But I do like him. We still need a #1, and probably a #2.
Wan'Dale was pretty darn impressive last year, even coming off of the ACL and despite shitty QB play.
He was impressive. I don't mean to say he is bad. I think he can have an important role in a good offense. I just don’t think he has the physicality to be an every week star and among the best WRs in the game. But I do like him. We still need a #1, and probably a #2.
Cosigned. I really like Wan'Dale too but, again, not enough for me to let him influence my thinking for pick 6.
I would just throw in that I think Nabers' floor has been undersold in the draft media. The common argument is Odunze is safer but from a production, tape and athletic standpoint, Nabers is pretty damn solid in his own right. And he offers insane YAC ability. Gimme Nabers.
Wan'Dale was pretty darn impressive last year, even coming off of the ACL and despite shitty QB play.
He had 60 catches for 525. He is not a star WR. He is a good player not great. Plus injuries are a concern with that small frame. I like Wan'Dale but he doesn't jump off the screen and I still see him as more of a gadget guy.
and the Giants could use both. A real, explosive movement Z like Garrett Wilson or Jefferson would be a killer add. Odunze would be a bad fit if Jones winds up taking meaningful snaps in 2024, as Jones has shown a tendency to shy away from contested catch situations. He couldn't get in sync with Golladay. And he has trouble throwing fades and throwing to leverage points.
You're going to use Golloday as an example of Jones short comings? JFC. The guy was one of the worst FA signings in NFL history. Out of the league. Jones may suck ass but worst example ever.
If you are picking a WR to pair with Jones, pick Nabers
Jones is a different QB than he was in his first year because Judge/Garrett ruined him. He is so tentative that he needs a WR who gets open easily and quickly.
If I don’t care if the WR can work well with Jones, I would put Nabers and Odunze about equal.
The guy at 6 I’d rather trade back and acquire more picks. This draft is loaded at WR. I’d rather walk away with Penix and Brain Thomas Jr than have Odunze or JJ.
A reason besides Covid that Denzel Mims busted with Jets is because he stepped into a ball-out-fast as the driving principle of the offense situation. That was never his game.
Is beyond elite in his double, sometimes triple, moves going into his break….at full speed. Look at his highlights. I am almost certain he gets drafted before MHJ
They simply must take a QB at 6 but i cry inside at the thought of passing on a prospect like Nabers.
fits like a glove to what we currently lack. His body positioning and ball skills increase his catch radius and his ability to come down with contested catches.
Those skills benefit poor QB play. Nabers will require more accuracy and anticipation in where he is going to be. Hit him full speed so he can Also he is a guy to move around and line up in the slot a bunch.
Neither is a bad option. Its kind of like asking who was better between Nicks and Cruz.
Means he doesn't get separation. He's not Nabers but he's plenty fast and is a great route runner. With a pro coach he's only going to get better. This is not a lumbering power forward.
One poster mentioned that Odunze didn’t get separation after the NCG semifinal, and it became accepted as fact for a while. It was always ridiculous if you watched more than a couple of plays.
Is beyond elite in his double, sometimes triple, moves going into his break….at full speed. Look at his highlights. I am almost certain he gets drafted before MHJ
I have no idea if Nabers gets drafted before MHJ or not, but I agree Nabers is elite in his double and sometimes triple moves. He just leaves guys in the dust many times. Recognizing that QB has to be addressed somehow, I would still be happy getting Nabers.
off opposing defenses.....it frees up Hyatt and Wan'Dale to find some open spaces, and having the O line coached up professionally will be new and exciting might be just crazy enough to work! Also, i checked out the hi lites of that SC RB that has been mocked,......he has nice speed and vision.......
But the vast majority of his production was from the slot. He's more of a joker type of receiver imo which although not as elite ofc Wandale and Hyatt both fit that mold. I think a traditional X receiver like Odunze would fit much better and his character is as professional as could be imo. I have them rated very closely, but Odunze gets the nod especially for a NYG fit. Odunze and Penix would be a real dream, as would JJM or Maye without having to trade 47 or 2025 1st.
off opposing defenses.....it frees up Hyatt and Wan'Dale to find some open spaces, and having the O line coached up professionally will be new and exciting might be just crazy enough to work! Also, i checked out the hi lites of that SC RB that has been mocked,......he has nice speed and vision.......
They can both take the top off defenses. Odunze has a Plaxico/Mike Evans like ability to take the top off defenses.
RE: Nabers not only has more speed, he's better at getting open and better
at running after the catch. I'd rather trade down if Odunze is the only one of the three top wideouts left and take Brian Thomas, who I think will be a better nfl receiver than Odunze.
If the Giants don't improve at QB it won't matter if they draft Randy Moss. What a waste it would be to draft a WR.
Terps if we take a wr at 6 then try to believe in a plan in place to get Penix. Or else we might need to place some welfare check calls for you, buddy.
I don't think Bo Nix will make it past pick 12 let alone pick 47, but who knows.
both are explosive and dynamic.
both had low drop rates.
im partial to odunze but either one is an A/A+ pick i think. either trio would be one of the best young trios in nfl.
Harrison to me is the best, followed by Nabers and then Odunze. It's very close though and they have different skill sets. Harrison seems like the sure thing/safer pick to be a stud.
both are explosive and dynamic.
both had low drop rates.
im partial to odunze but either one is an A/A+ pick i think. either trio would be one of the best young trios in nfl.
You giving out A grades on things hasn’t worked out well in the past.
Imagine how hard a guy like Nabers is to tackle. Especially now that they banned tackling…lol
This rule change brings a further advantage to those guys like Deebo, Chase, Kupp who are really good and dynamic and difficult to bring down with the ball in their hands.
Find someone who throws downfield first and then we can deal with this “ideal state” later.
He in my opinion is the BPA.
If he is available we need to get him!!!
He in my opinion is the BPA.
If he is available we need to get him!!!
The least likely of the WRs available at 6.
Nabers to me is more the "modern" NFL receiver, if that makes sense. Average height, thick and kinda built like a RB, the crazy speed and all the characteristics that brings- acceleration, change of direction, etc etc.
This last paragraph I've typed out twice, because it would be hard to pass on Nabers and that's who I originally thought I'd go with. But I have just have a feeling Odunze is gonna be a 10 year captain, Ring of Honor type player and if you really believe that I don't think you pass on the guy.
Ask me this 3 days in a row and you'll get both names, I'm sure.
Nabers to me is more the "modern" NFL receiver, if that makes sense. Average height, thick and kinda built like a RB, the crazy speed and all the characteristics that brings- acceleration, change of direction, etc etc.
This last paragraph I've typed out twice, because it would be hard to pass on Nabers and that's who I originally thought I'd go with. But I have just have a feeling Odunze is gonna be a 10 year captain, Ring of Honor type player and if you really believe that I don't think you pass on the guy.
Ask me this 3 days in a row and you'll get both names, I'm sure.
I have the same feeling about Odunze. If we go WR and it's not MHJ then I want Odunze and I'd love to pair him with his QB in Penix.
Possible yes, if AZ trades out. They are the key to MHjr.
You'd think after watching the draft year after year folks would stop making statements like "Player X will NEVER be there at pick Y!". But they do it every year.
Could you imagine a Josh Allen redux where they pass? I mean, shit, they're even picking 6th again.
Odunze seems to be someone who will sign for less to be part of something
Total speculation
Odunze seems to be someone who will sign for less to be part of something
Total speculation
So you think that Nabers will seek "top dollars" and Odunze won't?
LOL. Your ability to get inside the heads of how rookie WRs will be feeling 5 years from now is quite impressive.
I get that you say that it's "total speculation" on your part, but based on what exactly?
That means whichever one of AZ or the LAC that does NOT trade out will take MHJ.
If the Giants did not trade up to 3, 4 or 5 for a QB, then I think they take Nabers at 6. (My guess is that Daboll prefers the speed, separation and YAC ability of Nabers over Odunze.)
The only way I see the Giants taking Odunze is if none of the top 5 teams trade out. In that scenario I see 3 QB plus MHJ and Nabers going in the top 5.
Nabers = Tyreek Hill
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Nabers probably won't be resigned....as he will seak top dollars.
Odunze seems to be someone who will sign for less to be part of something
Total speculation
So you think that Nabers will seek "top dollars" and Odunze won't?
LOL. Your ability to get inside the heads of how rookie WRs will be feeling 5 years from now is quite impressive.
I get that you say that it's "total speculation" on your part, but based on what exactly?
People come up with these weird takes about the personalities of these prospects. They think they know them based on scant information. So you wind up with Odunze is loyal. Nabers is selfish. Caleb Williams is stupid. I wish folks would check their uninformed hot takes at the door, rather tha projecting their preconceptions onto the players.
Neither has shown enough to be even a small factor in who to pick with the #6 pick in the draft.
Yes. Are either of them even reliable number threes at this point?
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Nabers = Tyreek Hill
I've heard NFL analysts compare Odunze to Fitzgerald, I haven't heard Nabers being compared to Hill.
Hyatt still has a lot to prove, but Robinson, to me, has star potential. I can see a breakout year for him.
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Nabers = Tyreek Hill
I've heard NFL analysts compare Odunze to Fitzgerald, I haven't heard Nabers being compared to Hill.
I have. And I've heard Nabers compared to Justin Jefferson, Garrett Wilson and DJ Moore. And I've heard Odunze compared to a lot lesser receivers than Fitz. A tall Olave is one comp I've heard, which is still pretty good, but not Fitz. There aren't many who compare him to Fitz. It's just one person's upside comp.
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Wan'Dale Robinson and Jalin Hyatt look like the real deal. But that's me.
Hyatt still has a lot to prove, but Robinson, to me, has star potential. I can see a breakout year for him.
I don't think WanDale will ever be a star. He's too small .
He was impressive. I don't mean to say he is bad. I think he can have an important role in a good offense. I just don’t think he has the physicality to be an every week star and among the best WRs in the game. But I do like him. We still need a #1, and probably a #2.
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Wan'Dale was pretty darn impressive last year, even coming off of the ACL and despite shitty QB play.
He was impressive. I don't mean to say he is bad. I think he can have an important role in a good offense. I just don’t think he has the physicality to be an every week star and among the best WRs in the game. But I do like him. We still need a #1, and probably a #2.
Cosigned. I really like Wan'Dale too but, again, not enough for me to let him influence my thinking for pick 6.
I would just throw in that I think Nabers' floor has been undersold in the draft media. The common argument is Odunze is safer but from a production, tape and athletic standpoint, Nabers is pretty damn solid in his own right. And he offers insane YAC ability. Gimme Nabers.
Take the QB if he’s available.
He had 60 catches for 525. He is not a star WR. He is a good player not great. Plus injuries are a concern with that small frame. I like Wan'Dale but he doesn't jump off the screen and I still see him as more of a gadget guy.
You're going to use Golloday as an example of Jones short comings? JFC. The guy was one of the worst FA signings in NFL history. Out of the league. Jones may suck ass but worst example ever.
If I don’t care if the WR can work well with Jones, I would put Nabers and Odunze about equal.
I love Odunze too, but Nabers gets the edge.
They simply must take a QB at 6 but i cry inside at the thought of passing on a prospect like Nabers.
I agree. it also shows that Schoen knows what he’s doing scouting Wrs in rounds 2-3. Which is where i expect the Giants to select one.
Those skills benefit poor QB play. Nabers will require more accuracy and anticipation in where he is going to be. Hit him full speed so he can Also he is a guy to move around and line up in the slot a bunch.
Neither is a bad option. Its kind of like asking who was better between Nicks and Cruz.
I don't want to see them forego an option like and trade up for McCarthy or Maye.
One poster mentioned that Odunze didn’t get separation after the NCG semifinal, and it became accepted as fact for a while. It was always ridiculous if you watched more than a couple of plays.
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Is to not trade up, draft Odunze, and have Bo Nix fall to us in round 2
I am thinking more and more that this is a better option than McCarthy and whichever next tier WR they take in round 2.
I don't want to see them forego an option like and trade up for McCarthy or Maye.
I really don't think Nix makes it past pick 12. Sean Payton could turn him into a Drew Brees lite.
I have no idea if Nabers gets drafted before MHJ or not, but I agree Nabers is elite in his double and sometimes triple moves. He just leaves guys in the dust many times. Recognizing that QB has to be addressed somehow, I would still be happy getting Nabers.
They can both take the top off defenses. Odunze has a Plaxico/Mike Evans like ability to take the top off defenses.
Terps if we take a wr at 6 then try to believe in a plan in place to get Penix. Or else we might need to place some welfare check calls for you, buddy.