Ben Allbright went on a Twitter Spaces with some Giants fans earlier tonight and had some interesting tidbits:
- Allbright gets his Giants news from a source in the building that was on the staff in Buffalo
- Based on the fact that Daboll follows Allbright, and the way Allbright was talking, it suggested that Daboll was/is Allbright's Giants source
- According to Allbright, Daboll wants to take a receiver instead of a QB in order to juice up the offense (the implication being that doing so would help save Daboll's job)
- Because of this, Allbright thinks the Giants will not try to trade up and will only take a QB at 6 if one falls to them
- There was a suggestion from the way Allbright was talking that Schoen prefers QB over WR at 6
Now obviously we know this is lying season and we need to take this with a huge grain of salt, including that Daboll would be dumb enough to leak the Giants draft plans to a Denver reporter.
I know we've heard from asshats about Schoen's desire to trade up, but Allbright did suggest a riff between Schoen and Daboll over strategy last week.
Throwing it out there, but has anyone with any inside info heard anything like what Allbright said in terms of differing philosophies between Schoen and Daboll in terms of what to do at 6?
The answer to that question could change everything.
The Giants have prioritized solidifying the OL and weapons around DJ for years, but they've never actually done it. He's never had a legit #1 WR here. That's a fact.
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I doubt the part about whom Allbright is getting his info from Davoli and confirming it publicly, that would go against basic principles of journalism.
2. They are keeping all options open
There have been connections to all 4 QBs and 3 WRs.
The thing that's good is that there are 7 guys here worth taking at 6. It feels like we usually would be a player short of the top stack, this year we have a player extra.
The top QBs are gone and/or Daboll isn't sold on which of the top four is left.
The Giants have prioritized solidifying the OL and weapons around DJ for years, but they've never actually done it. He's never had a legit #1 WR here. That's a fact.
I don't care if they fix the line and get him Metcalf, Jefferson and Tyrek Hill...he will still be Daniel Jones.
Allbright is definitely plugged in with some teams in the NFL. The Giants are not one of them.
Even if the offense is “better” what are we looking at, 7 wins? It’ll save his job but the franchise will just be treading water. The goal isn’t to just be decent it’s to be great.
For some reason people don't like Allbright. So a lot of stuff has been made up about him. For exa. Ple some people say he faked his military service and never actually served. They'll consistently say it even though he's posted proof multiple times he was in the military.
Like I said in another thread Allbright definitely has sources in the NFL. There are a handful of teams that he has consistently been correct about with his info. The Giants certainly aren't one of those teams.
Even if we draft a QB at 6 or move up, I would imagine he won't start the season as QB1, but it gives Schoen time to build the team around him.
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Look what happened when Tua got Hill & Waddle. Look what happened when Hurts got Smith & Brown. When Josh Allen got Diggs. Burrow with Chase. Cousins with/without Jefferson.
The Giants have prioritized solidifying the OL and weapons around DJ for years, but they've never actually done it. He's never had a legit #1 WR here. That's a fact.
I don't care if they fix the line and get him Metcalf, Jefferson and Tyrek Hill...he will still be Daniel Jones.
Jones has shown when everyone does their job he can hold his own. Jones has failed at times as has the other parts. The evidence proves that. He has proven to be injury prone. The injury issue alone causes the need to get a viable backup with long term starting ability. But Jones with those WRs and a capable OL will produce points.
I also don’t buy that Daboll is leaking to a Denver reporter. I’ll take Allbright at his word that he has a contact in the building, but I don’t think it’s Daboll.
Lies, Rumors, Clickbait…. Down the rabbit hole we go!
That said... the actual info seems probable if not completely accurate. I don't think anyone is worried about saving their jobs. Gettleman held his seat for 4 years and Schoen is CLEARLY light years ahead of him in 2 seasons.
It does make sense to not trade up for a QB. Williams is the only complete franchise NFL ready QB in this class imho. You don't mortgage your future on a project QB that may not pan out. especially when you have TONS of holes left on the roster. Jones may not be the long term answer, and some here would argue there is no maybe about it. But Jones is at least serviceable and has proven as much while playing in some pretty poor conditions. He's not going to elevate a team but he is a guy that a team can 100% elevate. Which, for at least one season, is perfectly fine!
The talent we have a chance to acquire at 6, be it Nabers or Odunze, is going to be in the AJ Brown/Davante Adams/Jamar Chase category of receiver which we haven't had since OBJ was here (I'd actually go as far as to say since Plax shot himself in the leg). Grabbing one of those guys instantly opens up Slayton, Hyatt, Robinson, Belly and Singletary. Takes a little heat off an improved OL. Jones has been pretty solid when he's been given time and has guys getting open.
If we grab one of the top 3 receivers, we can still trade back into the bottom of the 1st round, for a lot less capital, and grab Bo Nix or Michael Penix, Jr. We could potentially even stay put and grab Joe Milton with the 47th pick. I am fairly confident that, barring injury, Nix/Penix, Jr./Milton will be better NFL QBs than JJ. Let someone draft JJ before our pick. He's gonna be okay, but he's no better than the next group and his ceiling is lower imho.
But if, somehow, Williams or Daniels slips to 6 (which would mean there was a run on the top receivers) you gotta grab one of those guys and not look back! Point is, if we stay put at 6, our options are pretty limitless and work out well no matter what. But trading up for anyone but Williams puts us in a position where we will be struggling to get that pure #1 WR this year or next without paying big $$. We need to be logical and cool headed and not make important decisions based on emotions.
I dont think the Giants can go into the season with the WRs they have again and a weaker TE and RB group. They 100% need a WR to come in and be very good. Is a 2nd rounder going to do that? The top 3 WRs look elite, do you pass on an elite player at a value and a need position for a 2nd tier QB? Im not super high on this crop of QBs. I dont think any of them are true #1 overall picks but they are QBs so they will get over drafted.
You also cant throw a rookie QB into a talentless offense. A better OL helps but we really have no quality veteran WR to help these young guys. And the young guys have a lot to prove.
I dont think the Giants can go into the season with the WRs they have again and a weaker TE and RB group. They 100% need a WR to come in and be very good. Is a 2nd rounder going to do that? The top 3 WRs look elite, do you pass on an elite player at a value and a need position for a 2nd tier QB? Im not super high on this crop of QBs. I dont think any of them are true #1 overall picks but they are QBs so they will get over drafted.
You also cant throw a rookie QB into a talentless offense. A better OL helps but we really have no quality veteran WR to help these young guys. And the young guys have a lot to prove.
Ludicrous take. Jones isn't part of the equation.
QB taken? I was right!
WR taken? See, I was right!
Meanwhile, the coach and GM come to an agreement on their draft board ahead of the day and make their decision based on it and who is actually taken ahead of them. But that's just not a very interesting story, is it?
QB taken? I was right!
WR taken? See, I was right!
Meanwhile, the coach and GM come to an agreement on their draft board ahead of the day and make their decision based on it and who is actually taken ahead of them. But that's just not a very interesting story, is it?
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The Giants have prioritized solidifying the OL and weapons around DJ for years, but they've never actually done it. He's never had a legit #1 WR here. That's a fact.
Seriously, how many more high draft choices and expensive free agents do we need to spend to prove to some people that Jones sucks as a passer?
You could give Jones the best deep receiver in the game and it wouldn't make a major impact. He doesn't take shots deep and can't process or read defenses.
It would be insanity to stay with him.
There was no better time than right meow to post that.
Perfect timing....Perfect timing.
If the Giants suffer through the exact same kind of season in 24, I am going to go out on a limb and say Daboll is safe.
Schoen is even more safe.
With that belief in mind, I don't think it's crazy to believe the Giants don't really have an agenda with this draft. They aren't looking to draft anyone that saves their job short term. I think they want a QB but won't chase one.
Key is the first 8 weeks. Can't get off to the same brutal start. Forget the record, they can't look the same way early on 24 as they did week 1 2023. But digress...
If the Giants suffer through the exact same kind of season in 24, I am going to go out on a limb and say Daboll is safe.
Schoen is even more safe.
With that belief in mind, I don't think it's crazy to believe the Giants don't really have an agenda with this draft. They aren't looking to draft anyone that saves their job short term. I think they want a QB but won't chase one.
If they choose to go into next season as Jones as the clear QB1 and they have the same type of start as last season, there will be a mutiny.
You would also have to seriously questions their acumen.
Come on people. Do you relieve believe this could be possible? Wow.
Unless Dabs wants this out there. That happens too.
It’s not about Allbright, it’s about the OP’s assumption that the NYG inside contact is Daboll. Allbright never said it was.
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Adamant about Allbright being usually plugged-in in the last thread with his information?
It’s not about Allbright, it’s about the OP’s assumption that the NYG inside contact is Daboll. Allbright never said it was.
Fair point. Incorrect assumption on my part
When the Bills added Diggs they had about a ten point bump in offensive production. Daboll's last two seasons as OC with the Bills, Diggs averaged about 120 catches for 1500 yards. That is what you call a go to WR.
You do realize that when your “top 4” are playing in the NFL, the chances that you or anyone else is correct about who is #1 and who is #s 2,3 and 4 will almost certainly be wrong?
The answer to that question could change everything.
On this point, Allbright did not speak as if he was aware of in terms of Jones' neck being a problem. So, as you said, the answer to that question could change everything he was told in terms of a preference for a WR by some.
You could theoretically get Odunze and Penix Jr for the price of trading up for Maye at 3.
You could give Jones the best deep receiver in the game and it wouldn't make a major impact. He doesn't take shots deep and can't process or read defenses.
It would be insanity to stay with him.
That said: All the bitching and whining about what's gonna happen if we don't get a QB and roll with DJ for one more season... Seriously, grow up. Bottom line is this- If we don't get a QB, we are getting a real BONAFIED Alpha WR. We will improve instantly. Our OL SHOULD be greatly improved as well. If you hate DJ SO much that you will be out for blood if he is starting, you should be pleased as punch to watch him fail and see one of the backups step in and do better followed by Schoen and Daboll getting a new and better QB. And if he lights it up, which, according to you aint gonna happen, but if it does, you will still have something to be super mad and angry about! It's a win-win! You're welcome!
The Giants have prioritized solidifying the OL and weapons around DJ for years, but they've never actually done it. He's never had a legit #1 WR here. That's a fact.
It's not hard to make a case he's never even had a legit No. 2.
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Look what happened when Tua got Hill & Waddle. Look what happened when Hurts got Smith & Brown. When Josh Allen got Diggs. Burrow with Chase. Cousins with/without Jefferson.
The Giants have prioritized solidifying the OL and weapons around DJ for years, but they've never actually done it. He's never had a legit #1 WR here. That's a fact.
It's not hard to make a case he's never even had a legit No. 2.
I agree. People are tired of hearing they need to give DJ a better support system, but they've never gotten it done. Darius effing Slayton has been this guy's #1 WR virtually his entire time here, with cameos from Golden Tate, Evan Engram, Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney and a forked Darren Waller. It's almost unbelievable.
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Adamant about Allbright being usually plugged-in in the last thread with his information?
Allbright is definitely plugged in with some teams in the NFL. The Giants are not one of them.
It's depressing this has to be said, especially after reading "his source is the head coach"!!!!!!!!!