Again, assuming four QBs go before #6, it is looking more likely that the Giants will "settle" for a wide receiver. It seems like the flavor of the week for pundits is having the Giants selecting Nabers with Harrison going at #4 or #5.
But I don't think it is a given that Harrison goes before Nabers.
Should we be talking about Harrison, Jr. more?
I’ll take that for sure.
MJH vs possibly getting the next Kyler Murray or Sam Darnold sounds good to me
MJH vs possibly getting the next Kyler Murray or Sam Darnold sounds good to me
What if he’s the next Sammy Watkins?
Personally I'd just sit back and wait to see how it played out, but I'm sure the media and a lot of fans would be vicious.
He's never taken an OL in the first rd actually. And in this draft he could get a promising future right tackle with his 2nd round pick. I don't see them taking Alt myself. I could see them maybe trading down with Jets who would be going for Alt.
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MJH vs possibly getting the next Kyler Murray or Sam Darnold sounds good to me
What if he’s the next Sammy Watkins?
Not happening, guys an absolute stud
Personally I'd just sit back and wait to see how it played out, but I'm sure the media and a lot of fans would be vicious.
Your bringing up past trauma of passing on Josh Allen for Danny pennies. Jfc I was so happy he fell to pick 6 and then Gettleman does that. Imagine getting Allen and Dexy in the same draft?! Then we would have surely taken Justin Herbert too, oh the trauma of Gettleman will torment me forever.
Some of you are taking the lying season too seriously.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
Leggette in rd2 would be very nice. Pair him with JJM or Maye at 4 and I'm happy. Nevertheless, I still think we could potentially trade high up into rd1 to secure Penix after taking a WR at 6. At least that's what I'll be hoping if they go WR at 6.
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Ante upset if he falls to us if all 4 top QBs are gone is a moron
MJH vs possibly getting the next Kyler Murray or Sam Darnold sounds good to me
What if he’s the next Sammy Watkins?
Not happening, guys an absolute stud
You don’t know that so dont speak on absolute certainty.
Personally I'd just sit back and wait to see how it played out, but I'm sure the media and a lot of fans would be vicious.
Oh man how could you pass on Josh Allen (Edge) in that draft. Although we wouldn't have gotten Dexter Lawerence.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
If the four QBs go before us (and Minnesota outbids us), it is what it is.
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of Harrison Jr, against all odds, being available at 6 while the Giants pass and select Penix, a QB with impressive tools but who many thought would be available later.
Personally I'd just sit back and wait to see how it played out, but I'm sure the media and a lot of fans would be vicious.
Oh man how could you pass on Josh Allen (Edge) in that draft. Although we wouldn't have gotten Dexter Lawerence.
If Gettleman wasn't an idiot they would have gotten both. Or let Jones go to the Broncos if they really wanted him. Allen and Dexy, then Herbert the following year. My oh my how things could have been different with a competent GM.
So what Harrison did in his college career is a mirage?
But we want a QB. And we want their name to be Williams, Daniels or Maye.
Everything else is lesser get.
I'm with you and this flies in the face of every year with posters saying there are only X blue chip players and we are picking at X+1. It's tiresome. We are getting a great player.
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why not target Legette or Mcconkey in round 2? Those guys are good players.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
If the four QBs go before us (and Minnesota outbids us), it is what it is.
Can't get outbid then
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why not target Legette or Mcconkey in round 2? Those guys are good players.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
If the four QBs go before us (and Minnesota outbids us), it is what it is.
If that happens then we could very realistically move up for Penix if the Broncos go Nix and Raiders go Arnold/Mitchell, trade up with the Saints for Penix. I imagine Schoen will have a solid backup plan in place. Ultimately, I don't think the Vikings can entice AZ and Schoen is in the pilot's seat for trade up to 4 as he could ensure LAC and AZ get their targets by having a double trade up in place or if AZ likes MHJ and Nabers or Odunze similarly he could just trade with AZ. If Schoen doesn't get a deal done with AZ and they take MHJ, that's where we could be effed. And if Schoen wants the QB available then he can avoid this by ensuring he gets something done with AZ by either double tradeup or direct trade with AZ. Schoen is in control for the trade to 4 imo, only way he doesn't get it done is if he doesn't love the QB available.
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why not target Legette or Mcconkey in round 2? Those guys are good players.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
If the four QBs go before us (and Minnesota outbids us), it is what it is.
If that happens then we could very realistically move up for Penix if the Broncos go Nix and Raiders go Arnold/Mitchell, trade up with the Saints for Penix. I imagine Schoen will have a solid backup plan in place. Ultimately, I don't think the Vikings can entice AZ and Schoen is in the pilot's seat for trade up to 4 as he could ensure LAC and AZ get their targets by having a double trade up in place or if AZ likes MHJ and Nabers or Odunze similarly he could just trade with AZ. If Schoen doesn't get a deal done with AZ and they take MHJ, that's where we could be effed. And if Schoen wants the QB available then he can avoid this by ensuring he gets something done with AZ by either double tradeup or direct trade with AZ. Schoen is in control for the trade to 4 imo, only way he doesn't get it done is if he doesn't love the QB available.
How can we trade up for Penix?
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that Harrison has refused to work out at all. Remember Evan Neal not doing athletic testing? There is a reason for that most of the time. And it isn't good for the player.
So what Harrison did in his college career is a mirage?
"Can't get outbid"???
That's not how life works.
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that Harrison has refused to work out at all. Remember Evan Neal not doing athletic testing? There is a reason for that most of the time. And it isn't good for the player.
So what Harrison did in his college career is a mirage?
So what Neal did in his college career is a mirage?
What Harrison did in college was legit.
Is there anything in Harrison's game that you saw during the collegiate season that told you the guy can't get open?
Yes. Beucase he won't get speration vs either some super corners or double-teams or an excessive pass rush.
I think it's panic to think pro-day matters in order to decide to not take an elite player because they did not participate.
I think it would be more of a disgrace for the orgaiznation that didn't take tke the player because of it-- an arrogance type of thing. WIth the technloogy nowadays to put so much faith on pro day vs getting a super eleite player is really weak.,
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why not target Legette or Mcconkey in round 2? Those guys are good players.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
If the four QBs go before us (and Minnesota outbids us), it is what it is.
If that happens then we could very realistically move up for Penix if the Broncos go Nix and Raiders go Arnold/Mitchell, trade up with the Saints for Penix. I imagine Schoen will have a solid backup plan in place. Ultimately, I don't think the Vikings can entice AZ and Schoen is in the pilot's seat for trade up to 4 as he could ensure LAC and AZ get their targets by having a double trade up in place or if AZ likes MHJ and Nabers or Odunze similarly he could just trade with AZ. If Schoen doesn't get a deal done with AZ and they take MHJ, that's where we could be effed. And if Schoen wants the QB available then he can avoid this by ensuring he gets something done with AZ by either double tradeup or direct trade with AZ. Schoen is in control for the trade to 4 imo, only way he doesn't get it done is if he doesn't love the QB available.
How can we trade up for Penix?
Pick 47 and 2025 1st (plus maybe 2025 3rd for sweetener)
What Harrison did in college was legit.
Is there anything in Harrison's game that you saw during the collegiate season that told you the guy can't get open?
Marvin Harrison is considered #1 or #2 player in this draft. Neal was considered 5-10. They aren't the same. I would also say WRs are easier to project than OL.
Giants better sprint to the podium.
This is why the Giants do diligence on all the scenarios.
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why not target Legette or Mcconkey in round 2? Those guys are good players.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
If the four QBs go before us (and Minnesota outbids us), it is what it is.
Then I trade down an accumulate more overall talent and picks for 2025..
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why not target Legette or Mcconkey in round 2? Those guys are good players.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
If the four QBs go before us (and Minnesota outbids us), it is what it is.
If that happens then we could very realistically move up for Penix if the Broncos go Nix and Raiders go Arnold/Mitchell, trade up with the Saints for Penix. I imagine Schoen will have a solid backup plan in place. Ultimately, I don't think the Vikings can entice AZ and Schoen is in the pilot's seat for trade up to 4 as he could ensure LAC and AZ get their targets by having a double trade up in place or if AZ likes MHJ and Nabers or Odunze similarly he could just trade with AZ. If Schoen doesn't get a deal done with AZ and they take MHJ, that's where we could be effed. And if Schoen wants the QB available then he can avoid this by ensuring he gets something done with AZ by either double tradeup or direct trade with AZ. Schoen is in control for the trade to 4 imo, only way he doesn't get it done is if he doesn't love the QB available.
How can we trade up for Penix?
Pick 47 and 2025 1st (plus maybe 2025 3rd for sweetener)
For a QB who has had four season-ending injuries, including one to his throwing shoulder and tearing the same ACL twice? Absolutely not.
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why not target Legette or Mcconkey in round 2? Those guys are good players.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
If the four QBs go before us (and Minnesota outbids us), it is what it is.
If that happens then we could very realistically move up for Penix if the Broncos go Nix and Raiders go Arnold/Mitchell, trade up with the Saints for Penix. I imagine Schoen will have a solid backup plan in place. Ultimately, I don't think the Vikings can entice AZ and Schoen is in the pilot's seat for trade up to 4 as he could ensure LAC and AZ get their targets by having a double trade up in place or if AZ likes MHJ and Nabers or Odunze similarly he could just trade with AZ. If Schoen doesn't get a deal done with AZ and they take MHJ, that's where we could be effed. And if Schoen wants the QB available then he can avoid this by ensuring he gets something done with AZ by either double tradeup or direct trade with AZ. Schoen is in control for the trade to 4 imo, only way he doesn't get it done is if he doesn't love the QB available.
How can we trade up for Penix?
Pick 47 and 2025 1st (plus maybe 2025 3rd for sweetener)
For a QB who has had four season-ending injuries, including one to his throwing shoulder and tearing the same ACL twice? Absolutely not.
I would rather get Odunze/MHJ/Nabers and Penix than trading up to 3 for Maye. It would be the same cost, might even be more for 3.
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why not target Legette or Mcconkey in round 2? Those guys are good players.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
If the four QBs go before us (and Minnesota outbids us), it is what it is.
If that happens then we could very realistically move up for Penix if the Broncos go Nix and Raiders go Arnold/Mitchell, trade up with the Saints for Penix. I imagine Schoen will have a solid backup plan in place. Ultimately, I don't think the Vikings can entice AZ and Schoen is in the pilot's seat for trade up to 4 as he could ensure LAC and AZ get their targets by having a double trade up in place or if AZ likes MHJ and Nabers or Odunze similarly he could just trade with AZ. If Schoen doesn't get a deal done with AZ and they take MHJ, that's where we could be effed. And if Schoen wants the QB available then he can avoid this by ensuring he gets something done with AZ by either double tradeup or direct trade with AZ. Schoen is in control for the trade to 4 imo, only way he doesn't get it done is if he doesn't love the QB available.
How can we trade up for Penix?
Pick 47 and 2025 1st (plus maybe 2025 3rd for sweetener)
For a QB who has had four season-ending injuries, including one to his throwing shoulder and tearing the same ACL twice? Absolutely not.
Hello?
I would rather get Odunze/MHJ/Nabers and Penix than trading up to 3 for Maye. It would be the same cost, might even be more for 3.
I don't want to trade up for any QB unless the cost is no more than #70, maybe #47.
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why not target Legette or Mcconkey in round 2? Those guys are good players.
Who's the good quarterback you're getting in round 2?
If the four QBs go before us (and Minnesota outbids us), it is what it is.
If that happens then we could very realistically move up for Penix if the Broncos go Nix and Raiders go Arnold/Mitchell, trade up with the Saints for Penix. I imagine Schoen will have a solid backup plan in place. Ultimately, I don't think the Vikings can entice AZ and Schoen is in the pilot's seat for trade up to 4 as he could ensure LAC and AZ get their targets by having a double trade up in place or if AZ likes MHJ and Nabers or Odunze similarly he could just trade with AZ. If Schoen doesn't get a deal done with AZ and they take MHJ, that's where we could be effed. And if Schoen wants the QB available then he can avoid this by ensuring he gets something done with AZ by either double tradeup or direct trade with AZ. Schoen is in control for the trade to 4 imo, only way he doesn't get it done is if he doesn't love the QB available.
How can we trade up for Penix?
Pick 47 and 2025 1st (plus maybe 2025 3rd for sweetener)
For a QB who has had four season-ending injuries, including one to his throwing shoulder and tearing the same ACL twice? Absolutely not.
Hello?
I would rather get Odunze/MHJ/Nabers and Penix than trading up to 3 for Maye. It would be the same cost, might even be more for 3.
I don't want to trade up for any QB unless the cost is no more than #70, maybe #47.
I'd prefer 2025 2nd and 3rd at most to move up to 4. Pick 47 will be crucial if we get WV rd1 with how deep this draft is at WR. Maye/JJM paired with Leggette would be good.
You keep banging this drum- and repeating this drivel doesn’t make it right or you look smarter. You want people to ignore common sense to go with your inane opinion that this is a red flag.
Why on EARTH would someone who cannot affect their draft position work out for anyone? The one and ONLY reasons Harrison isn’t going #1 overall is that teams love flashy QBs- and he’s getting pushed down by those QBs.
He can’t control that and even is he ran a 4.2 40 and jumped 60 inches in the high jump, those QBs would still go ahead of him.
He’s doing the smart thing and not playing the NFLs dog and pony show- and you are happily just parroting the NFL’s sad song about this. The only potential harm is to the NFL’s cash cow that is the combine and pro days at school that gives it endless hours of on-air time. They fear losing that if the players don’t want to dance to their music anymore.
Just stop with the stupidity
Giants better sprint to the podium.
Couldn't agree more
Some of you are taking the lying season too seriously.
I don't think there's any shot. But if he were to fall to 6 the Giants would have they pick in in less than. A minute
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MJH vs possibly getting the next Kyler Murray or Sam Darnold sounds good to me
What if he’s the next Sammy Watkins?
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the Giants draft Harrison, unless they trade up.
Some of you are taking the lying season too seriously.
I don't think there's any shot. But if he were to fall to 6 the Giants would have they pick in in less than. A minute
Of course, but I seriously doubt he's getting to 6. That's the payoff though I guess of not trading up for a QB you don't love but instead letting everyone ahead of the Giants go nuts or other teams trade up for 4 QB's 1-4 and letting LAC take Nabors who may also wind up really good.
If the team sucks and having 3 years of lousy OL play (if it should happen this year year 3 - which is possible) and no QB for the future it would show a certain level of incompetence.
If you don't get a QB - you either better not suck as a team and/or the QB's you passed on better not show they are very good.
It’s nonsense that all of a sudden the skills competition has guys moving ahead of his. His tape is better than any receiver in many many years.
It’s nonsense that all of a sudden the skills competition has guys moving ahead of his. His tape is better than any receiver in many many years.
And a lot of people felt that way when Josh Allen was on the board in 2019 and NYG drafted Jones.
I certainly hope not at 6.
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You SPRINT to the podium and draft Harrison.
It’s nonsense that all of a sudden the skills competition has guys moving ahead of his. His tape is better than any receiver in many many years.
And a lot of people felt that way when Josh Allen was on the board in 2019 and NYG drafted Jones.
Gettleman is an idiot. I trust Daboll much more. My gut says the QB’s and Harrison are all gone. At that point I’m thrilled with Odunze or Nabers
#6 to #4?
You sit at #6 and see how it plays out.
Getting one of MHJ, Nabers or Odunze isn’t like drafting Cedric “Cyclops” Jones.
What happened to all this BPA talk from everyone on this site?
I’d rather hear that from him.
2025 - maybe Jones is the QB, maybe he isn't. Who's the QB that's going to get the ball to this great receiver? Come 2026, you could have a guy on your hands who's wondering whether being a Giant is good for his career.
If you want a comp, take a look at Garrett Wilson. Super talented player - I love watching the guy play. I think he's a legit blue chip WR.
What's he done for the Jets?
You know how many points per game the Jets have scored since they drafted Wilson?
2022: 17.4 (29th)
2023: 15.8 (29th)
If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time.
Do not draft any of Harrison/Nabers/Odunze, for their own good and the Giants'.
What happened to all this BPA talk from everyone on this site?
What happened to Postional Value (ie QB) on this site?
when you add that up with injuries too; since when do injuries not count?
The Giants should avoid Positional Value and Injuries so they can aspire to be the next Minnesota Vikings?
This is why the Giants due diligence on all the scenarios.
But you draft the PLAYER not the POSITION. So stop the fixation with QB as a general entity. Passing on the next star WR for the next Trey Lance or a million other names is no win and moving picks for it is a disaster.
Mediocre QBs you can win with are a dime a dozen. So find a franchise changer at QB and do what it takes to get him, or pass on the QB you are settling for because someone says he’s a first round pick add a huge piece to the roster rebuild at WR, draft a developmental QB prospect later, and keep the search going.
But you draft the PLAYER not the POSITION. So stop the fixation with QB as a general entity. Passing on the next star WR for the next Trey Lance or a million other names is no win and moving picks for it is a disaster.
Mediocre QBs you can win with are a dime a dozen. So find a franchise changer at QB and do what it takes to get him, or pass on the QB you are settling for because someone says he’s a first round pick add a huge piece to the roster rebuild at WR, draft a developmental QB prospect later, and keep the search going.
This. It's not "draft any QB, any QB would do". The team is better off with Jones and one of the star WRs than drafting a mediocre QB at #6 or trading up for one, just to get one.
Use the package you put together (minus your 6th pick of course), to move BACK into rd 1 at this point and take Penix.
That would give you a Blue chip WR and a young QB on a rookie deal). You would see how fast things change around here.
I'm betting this is one of the many scenarios that Schoen has considered (why they are privately working out Penix). He leaves ZERO stones unturned and his VERY prepared.
Instead of Harrison, I wonder what they could get if they traded back. At any rate, getting the best wr in the draft (by many accounts) would be a good consolation prize. especially with what they have as supporting cast of wrs and a supposedly improved OLine.
Also worth noting that the Giants didn't do a damn thing when Beckham was here other than some highlight reel grabs, some headlines, and a playoff goose egg. Terps made a really good point about the Jets and Garrett Wilson. He's an elite receiver and they haven't scored more than 18 ppg. I really like these receivers, especially Odunze, I think he's Face of the Franchise kinda guy. But I'd still rather take a swing on a QB.
2025 - maybe Jones is the QB, maybe he isn't. Who's the QB that's going to get the ball to this great receiver? Come 2026, you could have a guy on your hands who's wondering whether being a Giant is good for his career.
If you want a comp, take a look at Garrett Wilson. Super talented player - I love watching the guy play. I think he's a legit blue chip WR.
What's he done for the Jets?
You know how many points per game the Jets have scored since they drafted Wilson?
2022: 17.4 (29th)
2023: 15.8 (29th)
If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time.
Do not draft any of Harrison/Nabers/Odunze, for their own good and the Giants'.
Perfect way to sum it up. Hopefully it will make some people think. Thanks for this.
Pick the player, not the position. And I say that as one who's been out on Jones since 2021.
2025 - maybe Jones is the QB, maybe he isn't. Who's the QB that's going to get the ball to this great receiver? Come 2026, you could have a guy on your hands who's wondering whether being a Giant is good for his career.
If you want a comp, take a look at Garrett Wilson. Super talented player - I love watching the guy play. I think he's a legit blue chip WR.
What's he done for the Jets?
You know how many points per game the Jets have scored since they drafted Wilson?
2022: 17.4 (29th)
2023: 15.8 (29th)
If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time.
Do not draft any of Harrison/Nabers/Odunze, for their own good and the Giants'.
Reaching for QB5 at 6 is not going to make us better. While I think a good offensive mind can make a lot out of Penix, I don’t think we have the OL talent to make that work this year. With his injury history I am not sure you can risk him before the OL is set. We need talent at a number of positions. The Jets O struggled because Wilson is worse than Jones and Hackett is the latest in the line of Aaron Rodgers personal assistants who can’t actually do anything without him.
On a side note, I think we'll never know what Jones could have done. Worst OLines in the league, revolving coordinators, not enough receiving weapons, and SB struggling to stay on the field. At any rate, cannot run a team on "what might have been".
Tading down - eh - depends on what they walked away with. CB, Verse and maybe a RB.
I don't see them trading back if Harrison or Nabers are there though.
Pick the player, not the position. And I say that as one who's been out on Jones since 2021.
They’d be doing the next GM/staff right. Build the roster and eventually a new group will get the QB they want.
Reese's drafts did great damage to the team. OBJ and Eli were at least able to make the offense more entertaining but the D was awful.
If there was no Eli, there'd be no OBJ.
Sorry, can’t get there.
Neal did the testing, not sure what you are talking about. He participated at the combine.
Sorry, can’t get there.
Taking a WR does nothing for this team because our quarterback room as of today is trash. Unless MHJ is secretly Stretch Armstrong, he can't catch what's not thrown to him
2025 - maybe Jones is the QB, maybe he isn't. Who's the QB that's going to get the ball to this great receiver? Come 2026, you could have a guy on your hands who's wondering whether being a Giant is good for his career.
If you want a comp, take a look at Garrett Wilson. Super talented player - I love watching the guy play. I think he's a legit blue chip WR.
What's he done for the Jets?
You know how many points per game the Jets have scored since they drafted Wilson?
2022: 17.4 (29th)
2023: 15.8 (29th)
If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time.
Do not draft any of Harrison/Nabers/Odunze, for their own good and the Giants'.
this whole post is made meaningless by just understanding the Jets used the #2 overall pick in the draft on QB the prior draft before they took Wilson.
So, by your logic they DID address QB before WR and how did that work out?
I can tell you this, the WR (G. Wilson) looks like a player, the QB (Z. Wilson) obviously does not.
I'm not saying ignore QB but if the draft falls the ways it looking, the Giants (unless they trade up for one of the premier QB's) WR may be the smarter choice. And even if they do trade up for QB it may wind up the wrong move.
roster building doesn't happen overnight, or even necessarily in one draft and it doesn't always work out like you expect. For any of these players and LOL at the people saying MHJ can't be a bust. You could argue the Jets taking a QB in 2021 damaged the franchise far more than taking a WR in 2022.
Imagine if the Jets ignored QB in 2021 and took Ja'Marr Chase instead of Zack Wilson and then got Gardner and Wilson in 2022 they probably would have been in a spot to draft Stroud in 2023 or Richardson or sign Cousins or Aaron Rodgers and not have in your words "wasted time"
MJH vs possibly getting the next Kyler Murray or Sam Darnold sounds good to me
Sorry, can’t get there.
Nor have Jefferson or Hill won a playoff game as the lead player over the QB. Two of the greatest WR's of all-time yet they do nothing in the Playoffs in terms of wins.
My God even Daniel Jones had more influence in the Playoff game than Jefferson in which Jefferson caught a whopping 47 yards against a slightly above average defense that got annihilated the very next week.
SO now Jefferson has led his team where? To mediocrity. And this is a no-doubt all-time great.
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2025 - maybe Jones is the QB, maybe he isn't. Who's the QB that's going to get the ball to this great receiver? Come 2026, you could have a guy on your hands who's wondering whether being a Giant is good for his career.
If you want a comp, take a look at Garrett Wilson. Super talented player - I love watching the guy play. I think he's a legit blue chip WR.
What's he done for the Jets?
You know how many points per game the Jets have scored since they drafted Wilson?
2022: 17.4 (29th)
2023: 15.8 (29th)
If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time.
Do not draft any of Harrison/Nabers/Odunze, for their own good and the Giants'.
this whole post is made meaningless by just understanding the Jets used the #2 overall pick in the draft on QB the prior draft before they took Wilson.
So, by your logic they DID address QB before WR and how did that work out?
I can tell you this, the WR (G. Wilson) looks like a player, the QB (Z. Wilson) obviously does not.
I'm not saying ignore QB but if the draft falls the ways it looking, the Giants (unless they trade up for one of the premier QB's) WR may be the smarter choice. And even if they do trade up for QB it may wind up the wrong move.
roster building doesn't happen overnight, or even necessarily in one draft and it doesn't always work out like you expect. For any of these players and LOL at the people saying MHJ can't be a bust. You could argue the Jets taking a QB in 2021 damaged the franchise far more than taking a WR in 2022.
Imagine if the Jets ignored QB in 2021 and took Ja'Marr Chase instead of Zack Wilson and then got Gardner and Wilson in 2022 they probably would have been in a spot to draft Stroud in 2023 or Richardson or sign Cousins or Aaron Rodgers and not have in your words "wasted time"
Imagine the consesnus with Stroud who was thought to be around 6/7. You pass on him too if you had the 3rd or 4th pick that you needed Qb along with other- you take the other?
Certainly the grading of some of these WR's grading right nwo would have been higher than Stroud, correct? what about Mahomes and Josh Allen -- pass on them looking back vs the tehse 3 elite WR's because at the time they weren't considered elite?
And it seems Houston has rebuilt overnight, haven't they?
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anything yet with Garrett Wilson it’s a bad idea for the Giants to take Harrison?
Sorry, can’t get there.
Nor have Jefferson or Hill won a playoff game as the lead player over the QB. Two of the greatest WR's of all-time yet they do nothing in the Playoffs in terms of wins.
My God even Daniel Jones had more influence in the Playoff game than Jefferson in which Jefferson caught a whopping 47 yards against a slightly above average defense that got annihilated the very next week.
SO now Jefferson has led his team where? To mediocrity. And this is a no-doubt all-time great.
You can find examples and stats to support almost any position. I don't care. If you're going to get yourself twisted into a pretzel thinking its bad to add Marvin Harrison Jr. to this roster, so be it.
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Daniel Jones is the 2024 QB, the offense struggles, and the WR has modest production as a result.
2025 - maybe Jones is the QB, maybe he isn't. Who's the QB that's going to get the ball to this great receiver? Come 2026, you could have a guy on your hands who's wondering whether being a Giant is good for his career.
If you want a comp, take a look at Garrett Wilson. Super talented player - I love watching the guy play. I think he's a legit blue chip WR.
What's he done for the Jets?
You know how many points per game the Jets have scored since they drafted Wilson?
2022: 17.4 (29th)
2023: 15.8 (29th)
If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time.
Do not draft any of Harrison/Nabers/Odunze, for their own good and the Giants'.
this whole post is made meaningless by just understanding the Jets used the #2 overall pick in the draft on QB the prior draft before they took Wilson.
So, by your logic they DID address QB before WR and how did that work out?
I can tell you this, the WR (G. Wilson) looks like a player, the QB (Z. Wilson) obviously does not.
I'm not saying ignore QB but if the draft falls the ways it looking, the Giants (unless they trade up for one of the premier QB's) WR may be the smarter choice. And even if they do trade up for QB it may wind up the wrong move.
roster building doesn't happen overnight, or even necessarily in one draft and it doesn't always work out like you expect. For any of these players and LOL at the people saying MHJ can't be a bust. You could argue the Jets taking a QB in 2021 damaged the franchise far more than taking a WR in 2022.
Imagine if the Jets ignored QB in 2021 and took Ja'Marr Chase instead of Zack Wilson and then got Gardner and Wilson in 2022 they probably would have been in a spot to draft Stroud in 2023 or Richardson or sign Cousins or Aaron Rodgers and not have in your words "wasted time"
You prove GTs point for him. Getting Z Wilson a WR1 didn't magically make him into a good QB.
Taking a WR isn't going to magically make Jones or Lock a good QB
But I'm more intrigued by Nabers and Odunze. Nabers is the explosive guy. Odunze is the big, all-arounder. Harrison is somewhere in the middle, it seems.
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Daniel Jones is the 2024 QB, the offense struggles, and the WR has modest production as a result.
2025 - maybe Jones is the QB, maybe he isn't. Who's the QB that's going to get the ball to this great receiver? Come 2026, you could have a guy on your hands who's wondering whether being a Giant is good for his career.
If you want a comp, take a look at Garrett Wilson. Super talented player - I love watching the guy play. I think he's a legit blue chip WR.
What's he done for the Jets?
You know how many points per game the Jets have scored since they drafted Wilson?
2022: 17.4 (29th)
2023: 15.8 (29th)
If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time.
Do not draft any of Harrison/Nabers/Odunze, for their own good and the Giants'.
this whole post is made meaningless by just understanding the Jets used the #2 overall pick in the draft on QB the prior draft before they took Wilson.
So, by your logic they DID address QB before WR and how did that work out?
I can tell you this, the WR (G. Wilson) looks like a player, the QB (Z. Wilson) obviously does not.
I'm not saying ignore QB but if the draft falls the ways it looking, the Giants (unless they trade up for one of the premier QB's) WR may be the smarter choice. And even if they do trade up for QB it may wind up the wrong move.
roster building doesn't happen overnight, or even necessarily in one draft and it doesn't always work out like you expect. For any of these players and LOL at the people saying MHJ can't be a bust. You could argue the Jets taking a QB in 2021 damaged the franchise far more than taking a WR in 2022.
Imagine if the Jets ignored QB in 2021 and took Ja'Marr Chase instead of Zack Wilson and then got Gardner and Wilson in 2022 they probably would have been in a spot to draft Stroud in 2023 or Richardson or sign Cousins or Aaron Rodgers and not have in your words "wasted time"
You prove GTs point for him. Getting Z Wilson a WR1 didn't magically make him into a good QB.
Taking a WR isn't going to magically make Jones or Lock a good QB
So is his point the Jets after taking a QB with the #2 overall pick in 2021 should have taken a QB again in 2022 with the 10 pick when they took Garrett?
otherwise yours and GTs point makes zero sense.
If the Giants do not have conviction on a QB that is available to them, picking a WR they do is a good choice.
Plenty of examples in history when the WR was picked before the QB, you don't have to go all the way back to Michael Irvin being picked before the Cowboys had Tory Aikman to make the point, there are other like Marvin Harrison being picked before Peyton Manning, Isaac Bruce being picked before Kurt Warner was added (even you can make a case they tool Tory Holt too before Warner even was the starter), etc. tons more examples of teams who took a WR because either a QB wasn't available or they didn't love the ones who were.
there is no rule you need the QB before taking the WR. that's beyond idiotic.
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In comment 16450837 Go Terps said:
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Daniel Jones is the 2024 QB, the offense struggles, and the WR has modest production as a result.
2025 - maybe Jones is the QB, maybe he isn't. Who's the QB that's going to get the ball to this great receiver? Come 2026, you could have a guy on your hands who's wondering whether being a Giant is good for his career.
If you want a comp, take a look at Garrett Wilson. Super talented player - I love watching the guy play. I think he's a legit blue chip WR.
What's he done for the Jets?
You know how many points per game the Jets have scored since they drafted Wilson?
2022: 17.4 (29th)
2023: 15.8 (29th)
If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time.
Do not draft any of Harrison/Nabers/Odunze, for their own good and the Giants'.
this whole post is made meaningless by just understanding the Jets used the #2 overall pick in the draft on QB the prior draft before they took Wilson.
So, by your logic they DID address QB before WR and how did that work out?
I can tell you this, the WR (G. Wilson) looks like a player, the QB (Z. Wilson) obviously does not.
I'm not saying ignore QB but if the draft falls the ways it looking, the Giants (unless they trade up for one of the premier QB's) WR may be the smarter choice. And even if they do trade up for QB it may wind up the wrong move.
roster building doesn't happen overnight, or even necessarily in one draft and it doesn't always work out like you expect. For any of these players and LOL at the people saying MHJ can't be a bust. You could argue the Jets taking a QB in 2021 damaged the franchise far more than taking a WR in 2022.
Imagine if the Jets ignored QB in 2021 and took Ja'Marr Chase instead of Zack Wilson and then got Gardner and Wilson in 2022 they probably would have been in a spot to draft Stroud in 2023 or Richardson or sign Cousins or Aaron Rodgers and not have in your words "wasted time"
You prove GTs point for him. Getting Z Wilson a WR1 didn't magically make him into a good QB.
Taking a WR isn't going to magically make Jones or Lock a good QB
So is his point the Jets after taking a QB with the #2 overall pick in 2021 should have taken a QB again in 2022 with the 10 pick when they took Garrett?
otherwise yours and GTs point makes zero sense.
If the Giants do not have conviction on a QB that is available to them, picking a WR they do is a good choice.
Plenty of examples in history when the WR was picked before the QB, you don't have to go all the way back to Michael Irvin being picked before the Cowboys had Tory Aikman to make the point, there are other like Marvin Harrison being picked before Peyton Manning, Isaac Bruce being picked before Kurt Warner was added (even you can make a case they tool Tory Holt too before Warner even was the starter), etc. tons more examples of teams who took a WR because either a QB wasn't available or they didn't love the ones who were.
there is no rule you need the QB before taking the WR. that's beyond idiotic.
You can play this kinda game all day. The Cardinals took Fitzgerald over Rivers and Roethlisberger. The Raiders and Lions countless times. Dolphins took Jake Long over Matt Ryan. Giants with Barkley.
two of those three would have been a disaster.
how does that make anyone's point?
My point is there is no rule that says you have to take a or have your "franchise QB" in place before you take a WR. And I stand by that and I don't even think its debatable.
Beyond the skill I like the OL improvements and am hoping it will lead to a middle of the pack OL which would be a massive improvement so I'm thinking the Giants have to be as close to possible as can be that the 4th QB can be at the least a good QB very soon for them to pass on one of the receivers.
Schoen and Daboll have to be thinking somewhere if we pick a QB who forget about rounding into form in year 3 can't come in and play well this year we're in real trouble here and who do we have to help him play well and grow. Furthermore who do we have to help DJ , Locke or anyone else on this offense. Yes a round 2 receiver could make some noise, I'd like it more if they didn't trade the other second for the right to give Burns $28m a year but once you get past the real blue chip guys all those likelihoods of immediate impact drop precipitously. Again if they love a QB, they're other experts here but all of the above must go into it
two of those three would have been a disaster.
how does that make anyone's point?
My point is there is no rule that says you have to take a or have your "franchise QB" in place before you take a WR. And I stand by that and I don't even think its debatable.
And most here were touting the two disasters... Myself included... I thought Darnold stunk but Rosen was a franchise QB
OT #5 either by LAC or NYJ trading up. Also, some have Nabers and/or Odunze ahead of MHJ.
NYG luck into MHJ at #6
Stranger things have happened!
two of those three would have been a disaster.
how does that make anyone's point?
My point is there is no rule that says you have to take a or have your "franchise QB" in place before you take a WR. And I stand by that and I don't even think its debatable.
Who said anything about a rule? You can also say there is no rule that you have to take a QB in rd 1q. So, does this mean you pass on Mahomes?
You've heard more than likely that Jones won't be ready early, right? There is a chance he is done, right?
So, how does it make any sense in a QB class considered "strong" to not at least trade back and get one? It's not a rule but it has a certain common sense to it, doesn't it?
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over Darnold, Allen and Rosen
two of those three would have been a disaster.
how does that make anyone's point?
My point is there is no rule that says you have to take a or have your "franchise QB" in place before you take a WR. And I stand by that and I don't even think its debatable.
Who said anything about a rule? You can also say there is no rule that you have to take a QB in rd 1q. So, does this mean you pass on Mahomes?
You've heard more than likely that Jones won't be ready early, right? There is a chance he is done, right?
So, how does it make any sense in a QB class considered "strong" to not at least trade back and get one? It's not a rule but it has a certain common sense to it, doesn't it?
this has nothing to do with the discussion.
The debate was whether you should draft a WR without having your future franchise QB in place.
it's a silly premise to begin with and your post does nothing to address it.
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over Darnold, Allen and Rosen
two of those three would have been a disaster.
how does that make anyone's point?
My point is there is no rule that says you have to take a or have your "franchise QB" in place before you take a WR. And I stand by that and I don't even think its debatable.
Who said anything about a rule? You can also say there is no rule that you have to take a QB in rd 1q. So, does this mean you pass on Mahomes?
You've heard more than likely that Jones won't be ready early, right? There is a chance he is done, right?
So, how does it make any sense in a QB class considered "strong" to not at least trade back and get one? It's not a rule but it has a certain common sense to it, doesn't it?
this has nothing to do with the discussion.
The debate was whether you should draft a WR without having your future franchise QB in place.
it's a silly premise to begin with and your post does nothing to address it.
You mentioend about rules. You said that was your point. But no one said a thing rules, did they?
Then if teh Giants taka QB at 6, doesn't that tell you they think he's elite? So, then what would be your point about WR?
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In comment 16451849 pjcas18 said:
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over Darnold, Allen and Rosen
two of those three would have been a disaster.
how does that make anyone's point?
My point is there is no rule that says you have to take a or have your "franchise QB" in place before you take a WR. And I stand by that and I don't even think its debatable.
Who said anything about a rule? You can also say there is no rule that you have to take a QB in rd 1q. So, does this mean you pass on Mahomes?
You've heard more than likely that Jones won't be ready early, right? There is a chance he is done, right?
So, how does it make any sense in a QB class considered "strong" to not at least trade back and get one? It's not a rule but it has a certain common sense to it, doesn't it?
this has nothing to do with the discussion.
The debate was whether you should draft a WR without having your future franchise QB in place.
it's a silly premise to begin with and your post does nothing to address it.
You mentioend about rules. You said that was your point. But no one said a thing rules, did they?
rule was obviously meant figuratively not literally. We all know there are no actual rules about who you can draft and in what order.
this is the comment that I disagreed with and your posts still make no sense.
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You mentioend about rules. You said that was your point. But no one said a thing rules, did they?
rule was obviously meant figuratively not literally. We all know there are no actual rules about who you can draft and in what order.
this is the comment that I disagreed with and your posts still make no sense.
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....If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time. ....
Huh? You're inventing an argument that never existed and you are talking to me about my posts don't make sense?
If you take a QB in rd 1 you expect him to be a franchise QB, right?
2025 - maybe Jones is the QB, maybe he isn't. Who's the QB that's going to get the ball to this great receiver? Come 2026, you could have a guy on your hands who's wondering whether being a Giant is good for his career.
If you want a comp, take a look at Garrett Wilson. Super talented player - I love watching the guy play. I think he's a legit blue chip WR.
What's he done for the Jets?
You know how many points per game the Jets have scored since they drafted Wilson?
2022: 17.4 (29th)
2023: 15.8 (29th)
If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time.
Do not draft any of Harrison/Nabers/Odunze, for their own good and the Giants'.
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You mentioend about rules. You said that was your point. But no one said a thing rules, did they?
rule was obviously meant figuratively not literally. We all know there are no actual rules about who you can draft and in what order.
this is the comment that I disagreed with and your posts still make no sense.
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....If the Giants draft a WR without addressing the QB position they are going to be wasting a draft pick, wasting their time, and wasting the draft pick's time. ....
Huh? You're inventing an argument that never existed and you are talking to me about my posts don't make sense?
If you take a QB in rd 1 you expect him to be a franchise QB, right?
take a break dude.
Lmao