A good friend is plugged into the Vikings organization and has given me info over the last 10 years and has usually been spot on.
Last night he told me that the Vikings were trading into the top 5 as we all expect, and they are targeting Drake Maye.
What was more interesting is that if Maye is gone, they will pivot to Pennix in the top 5.
Take it for what it's worth.
Trading up is not guaranteed, but losing to the Vikings and having them jump over us to pick a Maye or McCarthy this year would be heartbreaking. While reading the Vikings forum today, I noticed that no one is discussing Penix as a potential QB option. Therefore, I am unsure what to make of this asshat info. If the Vikings were to select Penix with a top 5 pick with trade up, it would certainly be surprising.
There is no guarantee that next year's QB will be any good or that we will pick in the top 10. No one expected the Giants to pick 25th in the 2023 draft.
We are at pick 6, which is closer to the top, so we should swing for the fences. According to Sy, who I trust for his QB evaluations, prioritizing the QB position is crucial this year. In 2022, we had picks 5 and 7, but the QB class was poor, so I understand Schoen's decision to wait. In 2023, Jones performed adequately, and we unexpectedly made the playoffs, causing our QB timeline to become somewhat mismanaged. Now, in 2024, we are back to square one with no QB certainty. Therefore, 2024 is the year when Schoen should pull the trigger, just like Beane did in 2018 with Josh Allen. Let's get this done and get Maye or McCarthy to Giants.
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With all of your message board player evaluation skills it’s amazing that you aren’t working as a GM
If the Giants had hired me instead of that slob Gettleman in 2018 they'd be in a better place today than they currently are. It's sad that that isn't exaggeration.
Yea we could have had Malik Willis as the QB and traded Andrew Thomas for a 2nd rd pick
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With all of your message board player evaluation skills it’s amazing that you aren’t working as a GM
If the Giants had hired me instead of that slob Gettleman in 2018 they'd be in a better place today than they currently are. It's sad that that isn't exaggeration.
Yea we could have had Malik Willis as the QB and traded Andrew Thomas for a 2nd rd pick
There would have been no need, because Lamar Jackson would be our quarterback.
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With all of your message board player evaluation skills it’s amazing that you aren’t working as a GM
If the Giants had hired me instead of that slob Gettleman in 2018 they'd be in a better place today than they currently are. It's sad that that isn't exaggeration.
Yea we could have had Malik Willis as the QB and traded Andrew Thomas for a 2nd rd pick
There would have been no need, because Lamar Jackson would be our quarterback.
Nice spin wanna be
Surprised you didn’t play the race card again against the ownership
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don't agree that the top rated qb's are as good as most think they are.
and if they felt that way, justin fields for day 3, or minshew over brissett, or about a half dozen other moves would have made a lot more sense just to hedge. brissett has 20 tds in his last 4 seasons combined.
Again, no one knows how NE has these QBs rated. They could quite possibly have Nix, JJM and Maye in the same tier or even like Nix more. They could then get a haul and a qb they like a lot, having their cake and eating it too. If the qb pick worked, they would make out like bandits.
I don’t think NE takes a QB at 3. I think they wait to take a QB later. They have Brisette and he did a good job for them in the past. I think they go D or WR
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With all of your message board player evaluation skills it’s amazing that you aren’t working as a GM
If the Giants had hired me instead of that slob Gettleman in 2018 they'd be in a better place today than they currently are. It's sad that that isn't exaggeration.
Yea we could have had Malik Willis as the QB and traded Andrew Thomas for a 2nd rd pick
There would have been no need, because Lamar Jackson would be our quarterback.
Nice spin wanna be
Surprised you didn’t play the race card again against the ownership
MBavaro doing his thing. If he isn’t defending the Front Office, he’s criticizing posters he didn’t like the first time around on the site.
How do you see that? Is this team built to compete in ‘24? I don’t think so. Don’t understand why everyone is worried about NOT competing this season. I think it is very much expected. So what? Let’s keep building the roster. I wouldn’t say it’s a throw away season but even if we were able to get the QB this year what would you actually expect in ‘24? Eric has said that a new QB will give the fanbase hope and that’s okay
But, Malik Willis!
But if you believe we had no QB with Jones then taking a shot on a QB like Willis that showed some promise to become another LJ is worth a gamble. You miss the shots you don’t take. Giants took ZERO shots after drafting Jones. THAT is far more foolish than taking a shot on MW when the answer is not in the building.
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With all of your message board player evaluation skills it’s amazing that you aren’t working as a GM
If the Giants had hired me instead of that slob Gettleman in 2018 they'd be in a better place today than they currently are. It's sad that that isn't exaggeration.
Yea we could have had Malik Willis as the QB and traded Andrew Thomas for a 2nd rd pick
There would have been no need, because Lamar Jackson would be our quarterback.
Nice spin wanna be
Surprised you didn’t play the race card again against the ownership
MBavaro doing his thing. If he isn’t defending the Front Office, he’s criticizing posters he didn’t like the first time around on the site.
Stalker alert again
And you are making up false narratives that I had another handle
What I stated was true
If you don’t like what I say feel free to ignore me as opposed to paying way too
attention to what I say
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With all of your message board player evaluation skills it’s amazing that you aren’t working as a GM
If the Giants had hired me instead of that slob Gettleman in 2018 they'd be in a better place today than they currently are. It's sad that that isn't exaggeration.
Yea we could have had Malik Willis as the QB and traded Andrew Thomas for a 2nd rd pick
There would have been no need, because Lamar Jackson would be our quarterback.
Nice spin wanna be
Surprised you didn’t play the race card again against the ownership
MBavaro doing his thing. If he isn’t defending the Front Office, he’s criticizing posters he didn’t like the first time around on the site.
Stalker alert again
And you are making up false narratives that I had another handle
What I stated was true
If you don’t like what I say feel free to ignore me as opposed to paying way too
attention to what I say
JimmyGoogs/LH17/ThomasG calling anyone else out for having multiple handles is freakin hysterical. Self awareness is just one of a multitude of weaknesses he struggles with
I’d rather take Bowers at 6 than Penix. No chance the NYG take him. And if they do, he better be the 2nd coming of Steve Young.
Yes, completely stupid. Worried about Neal and his protection. Well Neal has to step up his game.
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That Penix workout was manna from heaven for the Giants.
Would you take him at 6?
I don't know how you can be happy taking McCarthy or Maye at 6 but not Penix (assuming you're confident he's healthy).
I thought that was the big takeaway from the workout - Penix is healthy enough to be an explosive athlete.
He's a better passer than both McCarthy and Maye.
With a worse injury past.
along with being nearly 3 years older...
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It makes no sense.
Yes, completely stupid. Worried about Neal and his protection. Well Neal has to step up his game.
And how did it with out having a right handed QB with Andrew Thomas?
Penix is the best in this class at throwing decisively and avoiding sacks. He'd be a colossal improvement over Jones in this area alone.
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It makes no sense.
Yes, completely stupid. Worried about Neal and his protection. Well Neal has to step up his game.
And how did it with out having a right handed QB with Andrew Thomas?
Penix is the best in this class at throwing decisively and avoiding sacks. He'd be a colossal improvement over Jones in this area alone.
Yes he'd be a big upgrade, I agree. He seems ready to go, owing to his age and experience. And it seems to KOC and Daboll both like what they see. I think Penix is in the mix, either at #6 or a slight trade back.
1 - T Lawrence
2 - Z Wilson
3 - T Lance
11 - J Fields
5 - J Chase
6 - J Waddle
10 - D Smith
2020
1 - J Burrow
5 - T Tagovailoa
6 - J Herbert
26 - J Love
12 - H Ruggs
15 - J Jeudy
17 - C Lamb
Or something in between?
20/20 hindsight in 2020 you don't pass on Tua, Herbert or Love for C Lamb
20/20 hindsight in 2021 you pass on Z Wilson, T Lance & J Fields for J Chase, J Waddle or D Smith.
Decisions, decisions ...
But if you believe we had no QB with Jones then taking a shot on a QB like Willis that showed some promise to become another LJ is worth a gamble. You miss the shots you don’t take. Giants took ZERO shots after drafting Jones. THAT is far more foolish than taking a shot on MW when the answer is not in the building.
That assumes the Giants hire and acquire the right pieces around Jackson. Jackson gets Jason Garrett and Joe Judge as his offensive minds and players like Nate Solder protecting his blindside, or his best target being Evan Engram who had trouble with concentration drops and staying healthy, and WR's like Golladay, Toney, a washed Tate or an oft injured Sterling Shepard? There's a reason the Ravens have one losing season since 2008 and isn't due to Lamar.
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With all of your message board player evaluation skills it’s amazing that you aren’t working as a GM
If the Giants had hired me instead of that slob Gettleman in 2018 they'd be in a better place today than they currently are. It's sad that that isn't exaggeration.
Yea we could have had Malik Willis as the QB and traded Andrew Thomas for a 2nd rd pick
There would have been no need, because Lamar Jackson would be our quarterback.
Nice spin wanna be
Surprised you didn’t play the race card again against the ownership
MBavaro doing his thing. If he isn’t defending the Front Office, he’s criticizing posters he didn’t like the first time around on the site.
Stalker alert again
And you are making up false narratives that I had another handle
What I stated was true
If you don’t like what I say feel free to ignore me as opposed to paying way too
attention to what I say
JimmyGoogs/LH17/ThomasG calling anyone else out for having multiple handles is freakin hysterical. Self awareness is just one of a multitude of weaknesses he struggles with
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What I think it boils down to is this: what looks like a better team build for the Giants?
1. (6) Penix, (47) Legette/Mcconkey/Polk
2. (6) MJH, (47) OL/DL/CB
In scenario 1 this team has a direction. In scenario 2 there is still a gaping hole that dominates the entire organization.
(1) is fine if you're sure Penix is the goods.
But if the team thinks only 2 QBs are worth a first rounder and they're gone after pick #2, then they're reaching and option (2) is better.
Either way the team's roster has improved. And if by direction you mean specifically at QB, as long as the team knows Jones is no longer the long term solution, just the guy we're stuck with right now, that's fine too. We'll get the QB.
If the Giants have Maye and McCarthy clearly better than Penix, then I think they have a player evaluation problem.
See that right there says you are full of shit. Maye is clearly better than Pennix. Put Pennix on NC and Maye on Washington and you see one (Pennix) struggle mightily and the other Maye have numbers like 2022... You lose credibility saying that, it's Willis all over again.. But the Giants are racists right? That is your "player evaliation" problem...You are back to showing your true intentions..
But if you believe we had no QB with Jones then taking a shot on a QB like Willis that showed some promise to become another LJ is worth a gamble. You miss the shots you don’t take. Giants took ZERO shots after drafting Jones. THAT is far more foolish than taking a shot on MW when the answer is not in the building.
Lamar Jackson was drafted at the right spot - he would've been a bust on 75% of the teams in the NFL, including this one. Most coaches wouldn't have known how to develop him properly.
Malik Willis is the type of QB that in the past would've held a clipboard for 2-3 years before he saw any game action. This is not that kind of era anymore.
But if you believe we had no QB with Jones then taking a shot on a QB like Willis that showed some promise to become another LJ is worth a gamble. You miss the shots you don’t take. Giants took ZERO shots after drafting Jones. THAT is far more foolish than taking a shot on MW when the answer is not in the building.
Every now and then I need a good laugh. Thank you Mrs Willis for joining BBI.
C'mon just stop with this. And Daniel Joens could've been a superstar with a better OL and better coaches etc too because you say-so with all your experience as a NFL scout?
He's one of the guys where I've been asking myself --if the medicals check out, does his placement on team's boards match the media's? I wouldn't be surprised if he showed higher. Maybe we're seeing that.
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What I think it boils down to is this: what looks like a better team build for the Giants?
1. (6) Penix, (47) Legette/Mcconkey/Polk
2. (6) MJH, (47) OL/DL/CB
In scenario 1 this team has a direction. In scenario 2 there is still a gaping hole that dominates the entire organization.
(1) is fine if you're sure Penix is the goods.
But if the team thinks only 2 QBs are worth a first rounder and they're gone after pick #2, then they're reaching and option (2) is better.
Either way the team's roster has improved. And if by direction you mean specifically at QB, as long as the team knows Jones is no longer the long term solution, just the guy we're stuck with right now, that's fine too. We'll get the QB.
If the Giants have Maye and McCarthy clearly better than Penix, then I think they have a player evaluation problem.
With all of your message board player evaluation skills it’s amazing that you aren’t working as a GM
Sir, that's the president of the Malik Willis in the first round fanclub to you.
Malik Willis is the TRUTH. Vrabel didn’t want him so he sat him and now he’s out of a job.
1 - T Lawrence
2 - Z Wilson
3 - T Lance
11 - J Fields
5 - J Chase
6 - J Waddle
10 - D Smith
2020
1 - J Burrow
5 - T Tagovailoa
6 - J Herbert
26 - J Love
12 - H Ruggs
15 - J Jeudy
17 - C Lamb
Or something in between?
20/20 hindsight in 2020 you don't pass on Tua, Herbert or Love for C Lamb
20/20 hindsight in 2021 you pass on Z Wilson, T Lance & J Fields for J Chase, J Waddle or D Smith.
Decisions, decisions ...
This doesn't matter. Caleb doesn't matter. Daniels probably won't matter. There's a 50/50 chance that Maye matters for us. The relevant QBs are (Maybe) Maye, JJM, and Penix. Nix and Rattler if we go WR in round 1.
This could be a huge QB year with no options available for us. The question is, what to make of the QB who are in play for the New York Giants.
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What I think it boils down to is this: what looks like a better team build for the Giants?
1. (6) Penix, (47) Legette/Mcconkey/Polk
2. (6) MJH, (47) OL/DL/CB
In scenario 1 this team has a direction. In scenario 2 there is still a gaping hole that dominates the entire organization.
(1) is fine if you're sure Penix is the goods.
But if the team thinks only 2 QBs are worth a first rounder and they're gone after pick #2, then they're reaching and option (2) is better.
Either way the team's roster has improved. And if by direction you mean specifically at QB, as long as the team knows Jones is no longer the long term solution, just the guy we're stuck with right now, that's fine too. We'll get the QB.
If the Giants have Maye and McCarthy clearly better than Penix, then I think they have a player evaluation problem.
With all of your message board player evaluation skills it’s amazing that you aren’t working as a GM
Sir, that's the president of the Malik Willis in the first round fanclub to you.
Malik Willis is the TRUTH. Vrabel didn’t want him so he sat him and now he’s out of a job.
People love Vrabel. I think he's good as a coach in some respects. He's not any more successful than Mike McCarthy, who folks like to rag on. I don't think Vrabel has a strong approach to QB. I don't think it's a coincidence that QB was never a strong suit of the Titans.
The Green Bay spanking of the Cowboys this past January was my favorite game of the year.
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Teams draft QBs this year, consider 2024 to be 2018 all over again. Then the 2025 draft turns out looking like 2019 for the Giants with only one good QB prospect who is covered with warts.
It may be. But if that’s your reasoning for over drafting a Trey Lance or Pickett it would be a foolish move. You draft PLAYERS not POSITIONS.
You draft PLAYERS at POSITIONS. The QB market is generally veryhigh deamnd - so in SUpply and Demand - generally you reach for the QB Player because of the high demand at the QB POSITION is hardest to find/ most important.
This is true. NYG needs to be searching for their QB of the future. That's not in question. If there is a QB they love, they have to whatever they can to get him. What they should not do, however, is settle and draft a mediocre QB just because we don't like Jones. That would be foolish. You don't pass on a blue chip WR to draft a Ryan Tannehill. I realize there are a lot of fans who would be perfectly happy with that. I for one would not. I want the team to set championship level standard for their QB and keep the search open until we can find that guy. Hopefully it happens this year, but I won't sign up for settling.
Totally agree.
LOL! First of all - he wasn't the only one banging the drum for Lamar. No, I'm not claiming to be one of them, but he wasn't the only one.
Second of all - he's also the guy who said that NO ONE was worth a second contract. Including Lamar. So he would STILL be looking for another QB today...
He loved Bo nix too until he saw him throw in shorts. He doesn’t know what he’s looking at nor can he explain why he loves these guys. He throws stats at you like it’s baseball. I gloss over his posts and move on quickly. Then he says player evaluation is very fluid. It really isn’t. You’ve seen 10 plus full games. Seeing them in shorts doesn’t change anything for scouts. It’s about interviews. It’s why I crack up when people dismiss Rattler. On tape this last year and last year he’s a stud and very different from what he was. He will likely go round 2. I can see penix dropping out of round 1.
That’s a funny comment. Go look at how many QBs he fell in love with in this draft alone. How can he go wrong when he names 5 qbs he loves. Disappeared during the 22 season because he couldn’t handle it. Hes a clown and somehow half of bbi listens to his nonsense. Penix is great at avoiding sacks. Let’s break that down. He played behind a good line with 3 stud WRs. The field side point is a huge one and if you watched him play, which I did a ton, under pressure he ducks and flings the ball to the field side to Rome who is a stud. Penix is what he is. A good college QB same as nix. Their AA will not translate. Penix is a statue. Look at tua. He’s much more athletic and build better than penix and does take shots. He’s suffered physically. He’s in a great system as well. Penix will struggle mightily and he will not make it in the NFL I’d bet he doesn’t go round 1. You can’t find a single clip of him standing tall in the pocket and delivering a football accurately. In college vs weaker athletes it works. In the pros the field shrinks his style of play does not work. Tua is an accurate passer all over the field. Penix is not. He’s a classic chuck and duck and with better athletes on his team than the opposition. Hes built out of paper, duct tape and glue. Look at his body type. His upper body is hunched over because of his shoulder issues. He’s actually kyphotic. AC joints are near his damn ears. He legit looks like he’s been in the league for 15 years with that body structure. I’d be shocked if he goes round 1. Totally stunned.
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Big fking babies worried about other people's opinions. Terps is more accurate than most of you clowns.
That’s a funny comment. Go look at how many QBs he fell in love with in this draft alone. How can he go wrong when he names 5 qbs he loves. Disappeared during the 22 season because he couldn’t handle it. Hes a clown and somehow half of bbi listens to his nonsense. Penix is great at avoiding sacks. Let’s break that down. He played behind a good line with 3 stud WRs. The field side point is a huge one and if you watched him play, which I did a ton, under pressure he ducks and flings the ball to the field side to Rome who is a stud. Penix is what he is. A good college QB same as nix. Their AA will not translate. Penix is a statue. Look at tua. He’s much more athletic and build better than penix and does take shots. He’s suffered physically. He’s in a great system as well. Penix will struggle mightily and he will not make it in the NFL I’d bet he doesn’t go round 1. You can’t find a single clip of him standing tall in the pocket and delivering a football accurately. In college vs weaker athletes it works. In the pros the field shrinks his style of play does not work. Tua is an accurate passer all over the field. Penix is not. He’s a classic chuck and duck and with better athletes on his team than the opposition. Hes built out of paper, duct tape and glue. Look at his body type. His upper body is hunched over because of his shoulder issues. He’s actually kyphotic. AC joints are near his damn ears. He legit looks like he’s been in the league for 15 years with that body structure. I’d be shocked if he goes round 1. Totally stunned.
Tuck, I don’t think it is accurate to explain Go Terp’s sabbatical as a disappearance brought on by the success of the 22 season. The thread where a mod was threatening to ban him seemed more likely to be the cause. I am almost certain Go Terps left before the 22 season started.
I regularly, see more recent posters doing those things- daily!
I regularly, see more recent posters doing those things- daily!
You would classify a good poster as playing the race card?
I regularly, see more recent posters doing those things- daily!
Trubluelarry, Y28, and JonC dominate these two as best posters. You enjoy reading them say the same thing over and over and ruin threads? That’s what bw and Terps are known for.
I know it's been floating around for years but I've been unable to pinpoint its origins.
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and I've been here since the beginning. Terps and BW are two of the best posters on this site. You can disagree with their takes on things, but they are adults, who don't attack, name call, or otherwise violate the Code of Conduct here.
I regularly, see more recent posters doing those things- daily!
Trubluelarry, Y28, and JonC dominate these two as best posters. You enjoy reading them say the same thing over and over and ruin threads? That’s what bw and Terps are known for.
He said two of the best posters, not the two best posters. And I've never seen bw or Terps ruin a thread. The thing that ruins threads is getting into personal squabbles and bickering to me. I don't see either of them stoop to that level. That's childish and silly. If you don't like a perspective from someone or think it's repetitive, debate it respectfully or ignore it. That's just my 2 cents.
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That Penix workout was manna from heaven for the Giants.
Would you take him at 6?
I don't know how you can be happy taking McCarthy or Maye at 6 but not Penix (assuming you're confident he's healthy).
I thought that was the big takeaway from the workout - Penix is healthy enough to be an explosive athlete.
He's a better passer than both McCarthy and Maye.
What in the world is going on this year?
There are elite prospects at many marquee positions and people are pretending like 20-25% of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL are going to come out of this draft and most of them must be chosen top 6. Nothing remotely like this has ever happened before. And it isn’t going to happen this year either (way way way more chance of only 3 QBs going top 6 than 5.
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and I've been here since the beginning. Terps and BW are two of the best posters on this site. You can disagree with their takes on things, but they are adults, who don't attack, name call, or otherwise violate the Code of Conduct here.
I regularly, see more recent posters doing those things- daily!
Trubluelarry, Y28, and JonC dominate these two as best posters. You enjoy reading them say the same thing over and over and ruin threads? That’s what bw and Terps are known for.
He said two of the best posters, not the two best posters. And I've never seen bw or Terps ruin a thread. The thing that ruins threads is getting into personal squabbles and bickering to me. I don't see either of them stoop to that level. That's childish and silly. If you don't like a perspective from someone or think it's repetitive, debate it respectfully or ignore it. That's just my 2 cents.
You weren’t here during the season where they just repeat the same nonsense about Daniel Jones in every thread, multiple times a thread.
Both Terps and Bw have openly said they loved somewhere between 8-12 QBs in college - so when one becomes good - they can always say they were right. Bw is good for some back and forth though. And does admit when he misses so he’s a pretty good poster.
Terps - not so much.
The Green Bay spanking of the Cowboys this past January was my favorite game of the year.
c'mon. The posters looking to push Malik Willis can give su some good laughs. Stop ruining the thread with logic.
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With all of your message board player evaluation skills it’s amazing that you aren’t working as a GM
If the Giants had hired me instead of that slob Gettleman in 2018 they'd be in a better place today than they currently are. It's sad that that isn't exaggeration.
I genuinely like you even though we disagree a good amount, but this isn't really a flex. There are a lot of posters here that can credibly say the same.
While I defended certain moves by DG as either a necessary evil without good alternatives (Solder signing), or simply because I agreed with the thinking regarding the player (drafting Saquon), I criticized him immensely at the time for a number of blunders, and this isn't meant to be comprehensive, but, to start, the Golladay signing, the drafting of DJ (I had him as a 2nd rounder), trading back up for DeAndre Baker when there were a number of similarly talented corners on the board, the Toney pick (in particular, calling him a clean player off the field when it was known in the scouting community that wasn't the case), not taking Micah Parsons, just for starters.
That said, I like Jedrick Wills over Andrew Thomas and loved Isaiah Simmons.
But I was open about wanting to let Eli have his retirement tour year, punting QB in 2019 in favor of Josh Allen (edge), and waiting until 2020 for QB, when it was a much better QB draft. I loved the QB Josh Allen coming out, but I also loved Sam Darnold.
And yes, I disagreed with you on Lamar then because I didn't feel he was a good enough thrower to be a good NFL QB. But part of the reason also was I thought he wasn't the kind of QB that could win you a Super Bowl. I thought then and still, albeit to a lesser degree, still believe he's always going to wilt against the good playoff defenses.
But if I were to have been calling the shots for the Giants, we would've traded down in 2018 with Denver more than likely. And at 5, I would've taken Barkley still, but if he was gone, it would've been Josh Allen. If it was Barkley, in 2019 we would've had the other Josh Allen, and in 2020 we very likely would've had Herbert. BTW, I'm not saying this as some flex either, I certainly missed plenty as I alluded to, but it's really hard to be worse than Gettleman was.