They want they should still trade up to 4 and take Maserati Marv. Nabers is a head case and I worry about Rome separating at the NFL level. Get the best offensive player in the draft if we don’t get our guy
I’m not trading up for any position other than QB.
It might make sense. With all the holes on the Giants it makes zero sense to trade up for a WR. There are at least 3 and possibly 4 Wrs worthy of a top 10 pick. The cost is too steep in the top 10.
It is a move that has shades of the Barkley pick... "he's the best, cleanest, prospect, blah blah blah..." but you don't take RBs that high. It's a waste of draft capital, it's squandering resources.
Figures the Giants are the last to learn the lesson.
Likewise, you don't squander top of the draft, draft capital, to get anything other than a QB. Don't the Chargers need a WR after losing Allen and Williams? Don't the Cardinals need a #1 WR? Yet both teams are being linked to trade downs. So apparently, good as MHJ is, he's not exciting teams enough to not explore trade downs. Especially when Odunze, who Matt Harmon thinks is right there with Harrison, and Nabers, clearly the most explosive playmaker in the draft, are available.
And no MHJ is not the best player in this draft, CW is. If Williams delivers on just 75% of his promise, he will be several times more valuable than Harrison. Same with the other top QBs.
Just imagine....the Giants trade up....and not draft a QB
It's hard to get excited about three hundred pound linemen, but this is still the greatest area of need for the Giants. Neal is highly unlikely to turn his career around after TWO bust seasons. Worth a shot at guard.
The Giants have been awful at trying to put together a line through free agency. The way things stand now, they will go with the hope of an upgrade to a pretty good line. But everything never goes right.
The Giants should take Alt, the best offensive lineman available by general consensus. Go for an elite line, not a mediocre line. The O-Line determines how good the skill players are allowed to be.
HARBAUGH:"The offensive line to me is important. If I asked you the question, what position group depends on no other position group to be good, but every other position group depends on them to be good -- what position group is that? Offensive line. They're not relying on any other position group to be good, but yet every other position group relies on the offensive line to be good.
NFL Study: how important is an offensive line to success?
The NFL is a team sport, and while some positions are inherently more valuable, a great team needs a complete roster. I wanted to take a minute to look at the importance of the offensive line though. It is no secret that a good line will pay dividends for a team.
Looking over the study, one of the impacts of having a line is a team’s final record. When comparing the top 16 lines to the bottom 16 lines, the difference is only about a game. Looking at the top and bottom-5 lines though, there is almost a three-game spread. That is huge for a team, as a good line can and will win you more games.
What is more telling is the playoff success. Based on this data, if a team wants to make it to the playoffs, they need to have a top-12 offensive line. To make it to the Super Bowl, you need to be a top-11 line. To win the Super Bowl follows suit, as the average offensive line rank for every winner is around a top-12 line.
I might get banned for empathizing with you. But I would love to see the Giants continue down the path of elite O/D Lines. We were probably more then a couple standard deviations from the mean on OL last year.
I also dont think a true #1 will be happy playing here with a QB that really cant throw outside the #s. Therefore a QB with Alt as a backup plan wouldnt bother me.
RE: Just imagine....the Giants trade up....and not draft a QB
makes some good points about the lines. Much easier to bring along a young QB with a upper tier OL and running game.
Playoffs in the NFC you need that run game somewhere along the way. NFCE has mostly always been about strong fronts. Coughlin understood this when he took the job.
I have no issue taking a WR but I would not want to trade up at this point.
100% agree
Agree, see if you can get some assets for next years draft when we’ll need to move up for a qb
1) No chance in hell we trade up for a WR, even one as good as Harrison Jr. might be.
2) Gus Johnson must have workshopped that nickname for awhile.
Figures the Giants are the last to learn the lesson.
Likewise, you don't squander top of the draft, draft capital, to get anything other than a QB. Don't the Chargers need a WR after losing Allen and Williams? Don't the Cardinals need a #1 WR? Yet both teams are being linked to trade downs. So apparently, good as MHJ is, he's not exciting teams enough to not explore trade downs. Especially when Odunze, who Matt Harmon thinks is right there with Harrison, and Nabers, clearly the most explosive playmaker in the draft, are available.
And no MHJ is not the best player in this draft, CW is. If Williams delivers on just 75% of his promise, he will be several times more valuable than Harrison. Same with the other top QBs.
Yeah..but he is smart enough to get away with it
The Giants have been awful at trying to put together a line through free agency. The way things stand now, they will go with the hope of an upgrade to a pretty good line. But everything never goes right.
The Giants should take Alt, the best offensive lineman available by general consensus. Go for an elite line, not a mediocre line. The O-Line determines how good the skill players are allowed to be.
HARBAUGH:"The offensive line to me is important. If I asked you the question, what position group depends on no other position group to be good, but every other position group depends on them to be good -- what position group is that? Offensive line. They're not relying on any other position group to be good, but yet every other position group relies on the offensive line to be good.
NFL Study: how important is an offensive line to success?
The NFL is a team sport, and while some positions are inherently more valuable, a great team needs a complete roster. I wanted to take a minute to look at the importance of the offensive line though. It is no secret that a good line will pay dividends for a team.
Looking over the study, one of the impacts of having a line is a team’s final record. When comparing the top 16 lines to the bottom 16 lines, the difference is only about a game. Looking at the top and bottom-5 lines though, there is almost a three-game spread. That is huge for a team, as a good line can and will win you more games.
What is more telling is the playoff success. Based on this data, if a team wants to make it to the playoffs, they need to have a top-12 offensive line. To make it to the Super Bowl, you need to be a top-11 line. To win the Super Bowl follows suit, as the average offensive line rank for every winner is around a top-12 line.
I also dont think a true #1 will be happy playing here with a QB that really cant throw outside the #s. Therefore a QB with Alt as a backup plan wouldnt bother me.
We'd be the laughingstock of the draft.
He won't.
More likely he trades down in that scenario.
Playoffs in the NFC you need that run game somewhere along the way. NFCE has mostly always been about strong fronts. Coughlin understood this when he took the job.
I have no issue taking a WR but I would not want to trade up at this point.
Last year most put the Chiefs and Ravens in the top 5.