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Are MHJ/Nabers/Odunze all blue chip talent?

Jaenyg : 4/1/2024 8:52 pm
When Sy publishes his WR preview on 4/14, will all receive scores above 89? I feel like I read Sy hint that MHJ was going to be up there with one of his highest ever ranked WRs but that Nabers and Odunze weren’t far behind (I could be misremembering).

If so, go back 10 years. This is rare. WR is arguably the 2nd most premium position, at worst it’s the 5th. The opportunity to draft a blue chip WR is rare. Obviously, over the years, red chip talent (and lower) proved to be All-Pro caliber NFL players, but my point is, blue chip regarded talent at premium positions is rare enough, but 3 in one draft at the same position is unheard of.

If the Cardinals and Chargers feel this way about those 3, then I feel like we don’t have to seriously outbid the Vikings or Broncos or anyone.

If you don’t believe all 3 are considered blue chip, fire away! I don’t claim to be even an armchair scout 😊

They are all studs  
robbieballs2003 : 4/1/2024 8:58 pm : link
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I sure hope we're not sweating about dealing to 4 or 5  
UberAlias : 4/1/2024 9:03 pm : link
For JJM. At 6, sure. But in a bidding war to trade up --please no.
By all accounts  
David B. : 4/1/2024 9:08 pm : link
They are all blue chip studs.
I think  
Amtoft : 4/1/2024 9:11 pm : link
MHj and Nabers are two of the best WRs in the Jamarr Chase level can't miss prospect. I think Rome is slightly below that, but not by much. We would be lucky to have any of them.

This draft is loaded with talent.
RE: I sure hope we're not sweating about dealing to 4 or 5  
Jaenyg : 4/1/2024 9:14 pm : link
In comment 16453321 UberAlias said:
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For JJM. At 6, sure. But in a bidding war to trade up --please no.


Not my point. Whether it’s JJM or Maye isn’t my point.

My point is, the availability of blue chip talent at a premium position should drive the price down even if there is other demand for their draft slots.

As far as JJM…if JS/BD have put in the effort and are willing to part with capital to secure him, we should be excited as Giants fans. If you don’t like the prospect, I respect your opinion, but at least the professionals that run our team are making critical decisions regarding the most important position, and those decisions are a major deviation to what we’ve be living with for years.
Think about it this way  
UberAlias : 4/1/2024 9:17 pm : link
There has been massive fluctuation in the consensus at so many other positions, including WRs after these three. But one constant throughout has been these three right there at the top of the draft. That tells you something.
This should give some for-shadowing (?)  
short lease : 4/1/2024 9:22 pm : link

to how you will see Sy rate the top 3 receivers.


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I see four blue chip WRs...  
bw in dc : 4/1/2024 9:23 pm : link
Nabers, MHJR, BTJR, Odunze.

I can't get my head around why Brian Thomas Jr is left out of the discussion. He's an absolute monster.
Jaenyg  
UberAlias : 4/1/2024 9:26 pm : link
I know what your point is, and I respect the team's evaluation over mine. What I'm more skeptical about is the standard of QB we're setting for ourselves. IMO, the elite guys are doing what it takes to get, because they have such a massive impact on the team. That is undeniable. But my personal view is that when you aren't talking about the top whatever number of the league, the position can be over rated. If you consider FA options, "guys who you can win with" are not as hard to find as we make it out. We need to hold out for a "guy we win because of" type, not settling. I feel many have set the standard too low on the basis of Jones. I won't do that. I want our next guy to be a legitimate answer, not someone who four years from now we're asking ourselves if we should resign or not. If your asking the question, the answer is a hard NO.
I don’t disagree  
Jaenyg : 4/1/2024 9:37 pm : link
I don’t think the Giants like every top 6 QB. I think they have whittled it down (or will be done soon) to a few and have a value they are willing to part with for those few.

And I’m speculating that they won’t have to give up as much as some suspect, to secure their target, because teams won’t want to miss out on premium cost controlled WR talent.
I agree with that  
UberAlias : 4/1/2024 9:47 pm : link
The strength of non QBs in the draft will make #6 a valuable commodity.
RE: I sure hope we're not sweating about dealing to 4 or 5  
BleedBlue46 : 4/2/2024 1:31 am : link
In comment 16453321 UberAlias said:
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For JJM. At 6, sure. But in a bidding war to trade up --please no.


If the Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers then it won't be a bidding war. 2025 2nd and 3rd should get it done, or 2025 2nd and pick 107.
RE: RE: I sure hope we're not sweating about dealing to 4 or 5  
UberAlias : 4/2/2024 4:26 am : link
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For JJM. At 6, sure. But in a bidding war to trade up --please no.



If the Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers then it won't be a bidding war. 2025 2nd and 3rd should get it done, or 2025 2nd and pick 107.
Possibly. But it depends on the negotiation. Cardinals aren’t going to come out and tell us who their targets are or what they might accept. They would seek to use Minn interest as leverage. So while our position at 6 is a very strong card to land us the deal, competition still likely to drive the price up. It comes down to the negotiation.
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TrueBlue56 : 4/2/2024 5:54 am : link
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For JJM. At 6, sure. But in a bidding war to trade up --please no.



If the Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers then it won't be a bidding war. 2025 2nd and 3rd should get it done, or 2025 2nd and pick 107.

Possibly. But it depends on the negotiation. Cardinals aren’t going to come out and tell us who their targets are or what they might accept. They would seek to use Minn interest as leverage. So while our position at 6 is a very strong card to land us the deal, competition still likely to drive the price up. It comes down to the negotiation.


I agree the cardinals or chargers could use the vikings or another team in trade negotiations with the giants, but the value of the 6th draft pick gives us leverage as well. Joe schoen can leverage the ability for the Cardinals or chargers to still draft the player they want without dropping too far down and they still get value in draft compensation.

The chargers have one 2nd round pick this year. They can get a top wide receiver as well as an additional 2nd round pick. That's potentially 3 picks in the top 50.

The Cardinals have two 1st round picks. They could potentially trade and still get a top player in the draft plus an additional 2nd round pick to give them 4 draft picks in the top 50.

The vikings can offer their 2 1st round picks, but dropping to 11 from 4 or 5 is a big jump if you don't want to miss out on the top prospects.
RE: I see four blue chip WRs...  
Milton : 4/2/2024 7:33 am : link
In comment 16453345 bw in dc said:
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Nabers, MHJR, BTJR, Odunze.

I can't get my head around why Brian Thomas Jr is left out of the discussion. He's an absolute monster.
Waldman would add Worthy to that list.
RE: I see four blue chip WRs...  
DJ5150 : 4/2/2024 8:24 am : link
In comment 16453345 bw in dc said:
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Nabers, MHJR, BTJR, Odunze.

I can't get my head around why Brian Thomas Jr is left out of the discussion. He's an absolute monster.


I agree….if Harrison or the QB I they love is not there at 6…. Trade down and take Thomas….too many holes to fill on this roster….we need more picks.
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UberAlias : 4/2/2024 8:38 am : link
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For JJM. At 6, sure. But in a bidding war to trade up --please no.



If the Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers then it won't be a bidding war. 2025 2nd and 3rd should get it done, or 2025 2nd and pick 107.

Possibly. But it depends on the negotiation. Cardinals aren’t going to come out and tell us who their targets are or what they might accept. They would seek to use Minn interest as leverage. So while our position at 6 is a very strong card to land us the deal, competition still likely to drive the price up. It comes down to the negotiation.



I agree the cardinals or chargers could use the vikings or another team in trade negotiations with the giants, but the value of the 6th draft pick gives us leverage as well. Joe schoen can leverage the ability for the Cardinals or chargers to still draft the player they want without dropping too far down and they still get value in draft compensation.

The chargers have one 2nd round pick this year. They can get a top wide receiver as well as an additional 2nd round pick. That's potentially 3 picks in the top 50.

The Cardinals have two 1st round picks. They could potentially trade and still get a top player in the draft plus an additional 2nd round pick to give them 4 draft picks in the top 50.

The vikings can offer their 2 1st round picks, but dropping to 11 from 4 or 5 is a big jump if you don't want to miss out on the top prospects.
Agreed. If Az is completely dead set on elite WR, Minnesota would have to anti up and offer Jefferson and 23 rather than 11 and 23. We can debate if they would actually do that, but if they're truly in love with a QB --that's the card they have to trump the lure of our #6 -a ready made superstar wideout to pair with Murray instead of a prospect.
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ryanmkeane : 4/2/2024 8:55 am : link
I think so, yes.
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TrueBlue56 : 4/2/2024 10:06 am : link
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For JJM. At 6, sure. But in a bidding war to trade up --please no.



If the Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers then it won't be a bidding war. 2025 2nd and 3rd should get it done, or 2025 2nd and pick 107.

Possibly. But it depends on the negotiation. Cardinals aren’t going to come out and tell us who their targets are or what they might accept. They would seek to use Minn interest as leverage. So while our position at 6 is a very strong card to land us the deal, competition still likely to drive the price up. It comes down to the negotiation.



I agree the cardinals or chargers could use the vikings or another team in trade negotiations with the giants, but the value of the 6th draft pick gives us leverage as well. Joe schoen can leverage the ability for the Cardinals or chargers to still draft the player they want without dropping too far down and they still get value in draft compensation.

The chargers have one 2nd round pick this year. They can get a top wide receiver as well as an additional 2nd round pick. That's potentially 3 picks in the top 50.

The Cardinals have two 1st round picks. They could potentially trade and still get a top player in the draft plus an additional 2nd round pick to give them 4 draft picks in the top 50.

The vikings can offer their 2 1st round picks, but dropping to 11 from 4 or 5 is a big jump if you don't want to miss out on the top prospects.

Agreed. If Az is completely dead set on elite WR, Minnesota would have to anti up and offer Jefferson and 23 rather than 11 and 23. We can debate if they would actually do that, but if they're truly in love with a QB --that's the card they have to trump the lure of our #6 -a ready made superstar wideout to pair with Murray instead of a prospect.


Adding Jefferson is an interesting aspect in a trade package. The potential downfall to that is the contract he would require. There is a report that his new contract would be upwards of 30 million. I think his value in a trade would be diminished a little by the contract. He is a known commodity versus a projected drafted player though.
RE: They are all studs  
Sam Huff : 4/2/2024 10:16 am : link
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Picking a QB in the draft is a total crapshoot and you have no idea what you'll get. Picking a WR is a sure thing and you know exactly how he will do in the NFL.
All 3 WRs are blue chips in this draft, no question.  
ThomasG : 4/2/2024 10:30 am : link
Caleb and Daniels are blue as well though Caleb comes with that head-risk. Bowers is probably light blue.

That's about it.

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