We all know the QBs have warts and these aren’t far from where people had them before the hype. I give him credit for not overreacting. QBs will still go early because of the position value.
What’s interesting is he has Latham ahead of Alt, not great if plan B is a trade back to someone that wants a tackle.
Are they over rated or just mis-rated I think I agree Talent wise Williams may be 4 but really think he of all the QBs needs a lot of work becoming an NFL QB above the ears. Talent isn't enough. And it's not just the maturity me first stuff
Could be special. Could be Kyler Murray who IMO is not a true franchise guy to a bust. Not sure
I think the 3 WRs all look like high floor high ceiling .
QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
Then we’ll hear from the bbi crowd “can’t believe _____ QB fell”. I’ve been saying this forever. I beleive 2 QBs go top 10. Caleb and Maye. Another might go but doubtful and whoever picks that third guy whether it’s JJ or Daniels will regret it big time. Penix is a third round QB. Nix is a middle of round 2/3. Mock me all you want rattler is the best of the second tier guys imo. Been very high on him for a couple of seasons. Bo Nix has the passing abilities of Taysom Hill that’s who I see when I see Bo Nix
Seriously now … if draft analysts were any good, they’d be working for
...and nine with grades from 6.45 to 6.50. Above that you have the top ten with grades from 6.7 to 6.86. What does it mean? Not sure but it means something!
QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
The Giants drafted Daniel Jones because BBI over rates quarterbacks?
Clearly we all understood his point. It’s a valued position so they get over drafted. It’s why we should not reach for a QB and take the blue chip WR. One of MHJ, Nabers or Odunze. It’s not a hard concept. Rather than nitpick what a person says how about try to understand the concept and reply appropriately. Tough ask, I know.
You’re going to see a lot of variation across folks who do scouting and analysis. How they perceive individual players, how they performed in college, transition to NFL, skills translating to NFL game speed.
This isn’t surprising at all. Skill players help you win. This is a good WR draft, really good. Maybe a good QB draft too. OL. This is a real offense heavy draft this year. Good thing as we need lots of help there.
QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
The Giants drafted Jones at 6 because QBs are overrated by BBI?
I wasn't aware the Giants brass listened to BBI; I am going to start posting more often.
You can’t take guys like Chip and Tuckrule seriously. They will ignore what the actually NFL teams do in the first round and blame BBI for overhyping QBs. Confirmation bias is crippling for some.
The position is crucial so the chance of scoring a big upgrade for your franchise by selecting a high quality QB is viewed as a worthwhile draft investment.
Are they over rated or just mis-rated I think I agree Talent wise Williams may be 4 but really think he of all the QBs needs a lot of work becoming an NFL QB above the ears. Talent isn't enough. And it's not just the maturity me first stuff
Could be special. Could be Kyler Murray who IMO is not a true franchise guy to a bust. Not sure
Caleb Williams plays nothing like Kyler Murray.
I think the 3 WRs all look like high floor high ceiling .
RE: Anyone familiar with his ratings? He doesn’t have anyone rated 7+
has openly discussed his rankings for over a month now. Nothing surprising to me except how stingy he is with his grades and having no projected Pro Bowl talent.
It's not often you see a draft loaded at three significant positions. That's incredible.
Rather than nitpick what a person says how about try to understand the concept and reply appropriately. Tough ask, I know.
I'm quite comfortable asking a poster if they're serious when they post silly things.
For example -- you really think only two quarterbacks will be drafted in the top 10?
This isn’t a mock draft, it’s a ranking. Big difference between the two.
I'm about the only person on this thread who understands that.
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Those are his grades on the players, not his prediction on draft order.
I was responding to Tuckrule's goofy comment:
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I beleive 2 QBs go top 10. Caleb and Maye. Another might go but doubtful and whoever picks that third guy whether it’s JJ or Daniels will regret it big time.
think this QB class is overrated and overhyped, but four will still be taken within the first six picks IMO. Teams understandably overdraft QBs because of the importance of the position. The mistake is trading a ton of draft capital to move up to get one. Fifty percent of first round QBs bust or turn into journeyman backups. Nobody in this QB class is worth that risk. The end result is that I am fine taking a QB at #6, but don't want to move up for any of them, unless the cost to do so is no more than #70.
QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
The Giants drafted Jones at 6 because QBs are overrated by BBI?
I wasn't aware the Giants brass listened to BBI; I am going to start posting more often.
You can’t take guys like Chip and Tuckrule seriously. They will ignore what the actually NFL teams do in the first round and blame BBI for overhyping QBs. Confirmation bias is crippling for some.
Check back after draft day and we’ll see. I’d wager I’m correct. All of you “calling me out” will be nowhere to be found. Happens every year
And as an IU fan I loved the guy, watched almost every game and saw him in person. But no one seems to want to remember his performance in the National Championship game. Don’t think he will have the consistency needed for the NFL. Hey, what do I know but that’s what I’ve seen.
QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
The Giants drafted Jones at 6 because QBs are overrated by BBI?
I wasn't aware the Giants brass listened to BBI; I am going to start posting more often.
You can’t take guys like Chip and Tuckrule seriously. They will ignore what the actually NFL teams do in the first round and blame BBI for overhyping QBs. Confirmation bias is crippling for some.
Check back after draft day and we’ll see. I’d wager I’m correct. All of you “calling me out” will be nowhere to be found. Happens every year
You’re going to die on the hill of only 2 QBs taken in the top-10 and Spencer Rattler being a first round pick?
And as an IU fan I loved the guy, watched almost every game and saw him in person. But no one seems to want to remember his performance in the National Championship game. Don’t think he will have the consistency needed for the NFL. Hey, what do I know but that’s what I’ve seen.
Do you have the same concerns with the other top QBs who also had horrific games this year (Williams vs. ND, Maye vs. Clemson, McCarthy vs. Bowling Green)?
The only one who did not throw a stinker out there was Jayden Daniels.
QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
I'm all out on drafting a QB unless one of the top 3 fall. If you can get a project in the 6th round, then I'm OK with that. To me the only project QBs worth it are Pratt and/or Milton.
QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
If we had the 17th pick this year, I would totally be on board with taking a WR at 6 and then using pick 17 to take a QB or as part of a trade up package. That's really where DG screwed up in 2019, not to mention Herbert would have been there to draft the following year. 2025 doesn't currently look like it has a Herbertesque QB.
Since JS only has the 1 1RD pick saying QB-X is good at #14 but not #6 makes no sense.
Many posters have discussed the poor game by Penix in the championship game. It is a big part of the overall evaluation. Not sure why a couple posters have a issue with that game counting heavily.
It would have been nice to see some of the other QB's play in the CFP as well.
QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
The Giants drafted Jones at 6 because QBs are overrated by BBI?
I wasn't aware the Giants brass listened to BBI; I am going to start posting more often.
You can’t take guys like Chip and Tuckrule seriously. They will ignore what the actually NFL teams do in the first round and blame BBI for overhyping QBs. Confirmation bias is crippling for some.
Check back after draft day and we’ll see. I’d wager I’m correct. All of you “calling me out” will be nowhere to be found. Happens every year
You’re going to die on the hill of only 2 QBs taken in the top-10 and Spencer Rattler being a first round pick?
OK…
Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. When did I ever say he’s a first round pick holy shit. Do you just make shit up and pretend it’s real. Talk about a narrative lmao
What’s interesting is he has Latham ahead of Alt, not great if plan B is a trade back to someone that wants a tackle.
Could be special. Could be Kyler Murray who IMO is not a true franchise guy to a bust. Not sure
I think the 3 WRs all look like high floor high ceiling .
Then we’ll hear from the bbi crowd “can’t believe _____ QB fell”. I’ve been saying this forever. I beleive 2 QBs go top 10. Caleb and Maye. Another might go but doubtful and whoever picks that third guy whether it’s JJ or Daniels will regret it big time. Penix is a third round QB. Nix is a middle of round 2/3. Mock me all you want rattler is the best of the second tier guys imo. Been very high on him for a couple of seasons. Bo Nix has the passing abilities of Taysom Hill that’s who I see when I see Bo Nix
I suspect many draft pundits will have the players graded very similar to him.
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The Giants drafted Jones at 6 because QBs are overrated by BBI?
I wasn't aware the Giants brass listened to BBI; I am going to start posting more often.
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Yep.
The Giants drafted Daniel Jones because BBI over rates quarterbacks?
He is NFL.com
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QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
The Giants drafted Daniel Jones because BBI over rates quarterbacks?
Clearly we all understood his point. It’s a valued position so they get over drafted. It’s why we should not reach for a QB and take the blue chip WR. One of MHJ, Nabers or Odunze. It’s not a hard concept. Rather than nitpick what a person says how about try to understand the concept and reply appropriately. Tough ask, I know.
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The Giants don't even bother drafting QBs. Some on this board want that to continue. Not drafting a QB since 2019 is absurd.
This isn’t surprising at all. Skill players help you win. This is a good WR draft, really good. Maybe a good QB draft too. OL. This is a real offense heavy draft this year. Good thing as we need lots of help there.
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QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
The Giants drafted Jones at 6 because QBs are overrated by BBI?
I wasn't aware the Giants brass listened to BBI; I am going to start posting more often.
You can’t take guys like Chip and Tuckrule seriously. They will ignore what the actually NFL teams do in the first round and blame BBI for overhyping QBs. Confirmation bias is crippling for some.
I'm quite comfortable asking a poster if they're serious when they post silly things.
For example -- you really think only two quarterbacks will be drafted in the top 10?
I stopped reading after he had the Giants taking JC Latham at 6.
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QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
Yep.
Yep, again.
Need will drive teams to reach for QBs. Besides,
QBs grades are usually wrong....as what makes a great college QB a great NFL QB...is less physical and measurable
It's his medical risk that weighs him down.
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Rather than nitpick what a person says how about try to understand the concept and reply appropriately. Tough ask, I know.
I'm quite comfortable asking a poster if they're serious when they post silly things.
For example -- you really think only two quarterbacks will be drafted in the top 10?
This isn’t a mock draft, it’s a ranking. Big difference between the two.
He doesn’t think there’s any pro bowl level talent in this class?
Could be special. Could be Kyler Murray who IMO is not a true franchise guy to a bust. Not sure
Caleb Williams plays nothing like Kyler Murray.
I think the 3 WRs all look like high floor high ceiling .
He doesn’t think there’s any pro bowl level talent in this class?
I was wondering the same. I thought maybe it’s for Year 1, but still I’d expect one of the receivers to make the pro bowl their rookie year.
IMO none of this QBs drafted in the first round will be as bad as Daniel Jones.
It's not often you see a draft loaded at three significant positions. That's incredible.
I'm quite comfortable asking a poster if they're serious when they post silly things.
For example -- you really think only two quarterbacks will be drafted in the top 10?
This isn’t a mock draft, it’s a ranking. Big difference between the two.
I'm about the only person on this thread who understands that.
Those are his grades on the players, not his prediction on draft order.
I was responding to Tuckrule's goofy comment:
And now he joins the crowd that flips their rankings based solely on Combine and pro-day results. MHJ not the #1 WR is stupid and lazy.
The more players shun the combine and pro day theater, the harder it will get for the amateur draft ranking industry to guess outcomes.
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QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
The Giants drafted Jones at 6 because QBs are overrated by BBI?
I wasn't aware the Giants brass listened to BBI; I am going to start posting more often.
You can’t take guys like Chip and Tuckrule seriously. They will ignore what the actually NFL teams do in the first round and blame BBI for overhyping QBs. Confirmation bias is crippling for some.
Check back after draft day and we’ll see. I’d wager I’m correct. All of you “calling me out” will be nowhere to be found. Happens every year
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QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
The Giants drafted Jones at 6 because QBs are overrated by BBI?
I wasn't aware the Giants brass listened to BBI; I am going to start posting more often.
You can’t take guys like Chip and Tuckrule seriously. They will ignore what the actually NFL teams do in the first round and blame BBI for overhyping QBs. Confirmation bias is crippling for some.
Check back after draft day and we’ll see. I’d wager I’m correct. All of you “calling me out” will be nowhere to be found. Happens every year
You’re going to die on the hill of only 2 QBs taken in the top-10 and Spencer Rattler being a first round pick?
OK…
Do you have the same concerns with the other top QBs who also had horrific games this year (Williams vs. ND, Maye vs. Clemson, McCarthy vs. Bowling Green)?
The only one who did not throw a stinker out there was Jayden Daniels.
I'm all out on drafting a QB unless one of the top 3 fall. If you can get a project in the 6th round, then I'm OK with that. To me the only project QBs worth it are Pratt and/or Milton.
We drafted Jones because people in BBI rate QB’s to high ?
If we had the 17th pick this year, I would totally be on board with taking a WR at 6 and then using pick 17 to take a QB or as part of a trade up package. That's really where DG screwed up in 2019, not to mention Herbert would have been there to draft the following year. 2025 doesn't currently look like it has a Herbertesque QB.
Since JS only has the 1 1RD pick saying QB-X is good at #14 but not #6 makes no sense.
I didn’t realize this board drafted Daniel Jones
It would have been nice to see some of the other QB's play in the CFP as well.
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QBs are so overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Happens every year here. It's why we drafted Jones at 6 when we should have drafted Josh Allen DE.
The Giants drafted Jones at 6 because QBs are overrated by BBI?
I wasn't aware the Giants brass listened to BBI; I am going to start posting more often.
You can’t take guys like Chip and Tuckrule seriously. They will ignore what the actually NFL teams do in the first round and blame BBI for overhyping QBs. Confirmation bias is crippling for some.
Check back after draft day and we’ll see. I’d wager I’m correct. All of you “calling me out” will be nowhere to be found. Happens every year
You’re going to die on the hill of only 2 QBs taken in the top-10 and Spencer Rattler being a first round pick?
OK…
Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. When did I ever say he’s a first round pick holy shit. Do you just make shit up and pretend it’s real. Talk about a narrative lmao