"Eliot Wolf pushing hard for JJ"

"Could the Patriots be blowing some smoke to try and goad the Commanders into taking McCarthy, while that leaves them with the choice between Maye and Daniels? Anything is possible at this point with less than a month until the draft."

Not sure JJ gets past 2. At 3, I suspect he will start to look like a young TB with more athletic upside to NE. I like him more than Maye by a decent margin. Sam Howell

Could possibly get another team to change their grades on a player. These teams put a massive amount of research into these guys. I don't get the sense they're looking over each other's shoulders trying to steal the answers to the test.

Why would Washington feel more compelled to take JJ if the Pats are showing interest. Do you think in there draft room they would second guess there decision based on another team "leaking" interest in a player?

I would understand smoke for teams behind you because you want to keep them off the scent so they don't trade up to grab your guy.

But why would Washington care who the Pats have interest in since they are picking in front of them?

do we really think GMs read about another teams interest in a QB (a team that needs a QB) and gets duped into taking the guy the other team apparently covets, ignoring their own scouting process and consensus?

Is not making a pick at #2 based on something alleged to have been said by another team. That is just silly.

“Guys, forget all the scouting we did and all that tape we watched! The team behind us might like someone else more so we should pick them!”

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In comment 16453676 bLiTz 2k said:

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agreed. If both the Commanders and Pats want Daniels, then how the hell does it affect the Commanders draft decision if the Pats pretend to love JJ?

would change it's draft board based on something being leaked on another teams preference behind them. That being said, there have been reports on Commanders being high on JJ and if they have JJ that closely graded with Daniels and/or Maye, then who knows. They could still be waffling over who to take at the very least.

As someone else pointed out, going to be a very interesting draft to see who ends up where.

Sure, you can attempt misdirection so that another team doesn't trade up and steal your target (which Giants failed to do many times, see: Devonta Smith in 2021 or Eli Apple panic pick in 2016 after Conklin and Floyd went).

But NE drumming up JJ interest to trick Washington into taking him is a bridge too far for me. Any GM who drafts a player because of what other teams' want, and not their own evaluation and plan, should be immediately fired.

Do all these media people just rehash and reword reports of one another? So hard to keep track anymore.

CHI - Williams
WASH - Daniels
NE - JJ

then you have to think Vikings are trading up for Maye to either 4 or 5.

That means its probably between Nabers and MHjr for us...which is fine by me.

(Which I don’t think happens given all the reasons stated in this thread) it is going to be something like the night before the draft leaking that you received a video of the guy doing something illegal and it is about to break. That is about the only thing that would make a team tilt the scales between two prospects that are really closely rated. And that is not the kind of stuff these guys are going to do because if it comes back to you the fallout could be massive.

I know its the draft's silly season but c'mon people! The article says its based on something from NFL insider wannabe Tony Pauline who is actually about as connected as my cat!

In comment 16453689 Sammo85 said:

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Do all these media people just rehash and reword reports of one another? So hard to keep track anymore.

well yeah this Jordy McElroy guy has like 500 followers on X...he is a blogger not a real reporter. So he likely knowns nothing and just regurgitates stories for hits.

In comment 16453690 mphbullet36 said:

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CHI - Williams WASH - Daniels NE - JJ then you have to think Vikings are trading up for Maye to either 4 or 5. That means its probably between Nabers and MHjr for us...which is fine by me.

I'd rather see if they can beat Minn on a trade up to get Maye, but if Minn is offering 11, 23 and 2025 1, then yeah, I'd take one of the WR.

In comment 16453694 Mike from Ohio said:

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(Which I don’t think happens given all the reasons stated in this thread) it is going to be something like the night before the draft leaking that you received a video of the guy doing something illegal and it is about to break. That is about the only thing that would make a team tilt the scales between two prospects that are really closely rated. And that is not the kind of stuff these guys are going to do because if it comes back to you the fallout could be massive.

Like the Tunsil bong picture?

In comment 16453669 UberAlias said:

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Could possibly get another team to change their grades on a player. These teams put a massive amount of research into these guys. I don't get the sense they're looking over each other's shoulders trying to steal the answers to the test.

This, the patriots like JJ isn’t going to move them off Daniels. The only way it would matter is if Washington planned to take MHJ and trade up for JJM or trade down for JJM

In comment 16453669 UberAlias said:

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Could possibly get another team to change their grades on a player. These teams put a massive amount of research into these guys. I don't get the sense they're looking over each other's shoulders trying to steal the answers to the test.

Exactly.
"Hey, the Pats like McCarthy. Let's take him instead of the guy we really, really like."
The logical is ridiculous.

Does anyone here believe that if the NE GM stats publicly that he love's JJ, that this will change anyone's mind on who the Commanders draft?

They get their pick of QB after Williams and nothing NE says or does really matters to them.

was just a massive disinformation campaign by all these teams to pry one of the other QBs loose.

That we will trade up for Maye. There are people who are down on Maye and NE gives that impression. If Daniels goes 2, NE will likely either pick JJ, or trade down. If they consider a trade down, I'd have to think we'd be heavily in the discussion. If they go with JJ, I think we'd be strong bidders to swap with Az. IMO, Washington is a huge key to our pick.

No offense to the writer but this is basically a fanblog.

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... the UM signal caller to New England was the buzz on the pro-day circuit. De facto general manager Eliot Wolf is pushing hard for McCarthy, and he believes he has as much upside as any quarterback in this draft.

I don't see why the pro day circuit would be revealing Wolf pushing hard for JJM. Maybe Pauline is just conjecturing here more likely? If Pats went JJM, it would be good for the Maye crowd here. I think us trading with AZ for JJM/Maye is a high probability at this point based on Nabers and MHJ being graded so closely AZ could get 1 of the 2 and a 2025 2nd+3rd.

In comment 16453724 UberAlias said:

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That we will trade up for Maye. There are people who are down on Maye and NE gives that impression. If Daniels goes 2, NE will likely either pick JJ, or trade down. If they consider a trade down, I'd have to think we'd be heavily in the discussion. If they go with JJ, I think we'd be strong bidders to swap with Az. IMO, Washington is a huge key to our pick.

I agree that I think WASH takes Daniels, but I'd rather the Giants get JJ than Maye. I'd still be more than fine with Maye but prefer JJ.

In comment 16453671 UConn4523 said:

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do we really think GMs read about another teams interest in a QB (a team that needs a QB) and gets duped into taking the guy the other team apparently covets, ignoring their own scouting process and consensus?

Often I wished the Giants did this.

player, or some talking head having a different order. Until they draft its all meaningless click bait.

Washington with the number 2 pick can do whatever they want once Chicago picks Williams. Blowing smoke is ridiculous. They are not trading the pick so why the need to try and fool others? The entire draft discussion has now reached a stage of doubling down on stupid with all these so called rumors.

In comment 16453728 bigblue5611 said:

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In comment 16453724 UberAlias said: Quote: That we will trade up for Maye. There are people who are down on Maye and NE gives that impression. If Daniels goes 2, NE will likely either pick JJ, or trade down. If they consider a trade down, I'd have to think we'd be heavily in the discussion. If they go with JJ, I think we'd be strong bidders to swap with Az. IMO, Washington is a huge key to our pick. I agree that I think WASH takes Daniels, but I'd rather the Giants get JJ than Maye. I'd still be more than fine with Maye but prefer JJ.

I'd rather not trade pick 6, 47, 2025 1st plus for Maye. Trade up to 4 for JJM or Maye for pick 6, 2025 2nd and 3rd or so. Keep 47 and 2025 1st, AZ will love it because they get extra picks and Nabers or MHJ.

In comment 16453753 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16453728 bigblue5611 said: Quote: In comment 16453724 UberAlias said: Quote: That we will trade up for Maye. There are people who are down on Maye and NE gives that impression. If Daniels goes 2, NE will likely either pick JJ, or trade down. If they consider a trade down, I'd have to think we'd be heavily in the discussion. If they go with JJ, I think we'd be strong bidders to swap with Az. IMO, Washington is a huge key to our pick. I agree that I think WASH takes Daniels, but I'd rather the Giants get JJ than Maye. I'd still be more than fine with Maye but prefer JJ. I'd rather not trade pick 6, 47, 2025 1st plus for Maye. Trade up to 4 for JJM or Maye for pick 6, 2025 2nd and 3rd or so. Keep 47 and 2025 1st, AZ will love it because they get extra picks and Nabers or MHJ.

Agreed, I'd be OK giving up future capital for either, would prefer to keep 47 if possible, would be OK giving up 70 this year if needed and a pick next year.

1. JJ is being "hyped" to death, in part because of the crap coming out of Harbaugh's mouth. The media and the talking heads are lapping it up like a cat laps milk.

2. The NFL evaluators have been a "Ton" higher on McCarthy for awhile now, and the rumors and media are still playing catch up on this prospect.

We will know on draft night. If he goes 2 or 3 its the latter.

In comment 16453761 bigblue5611 said:

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In comment 16453753 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: In comment 16453728 bigblue5611 said: Quote: In comment 16453724 UberAlias said: Quote: That we will trade up for Maye. There are people who are down on Maye and NE gives that impression. If Daniels goes 2, NE will likely either pick JJ, or trade down. If they consider a trade down, I'd have to think we'd be heavily in the discussion. If they go with JJ, I think we'd be strong bidders to swap with Az. IMO, Washington is a huge key to our pick. I agree that I think WASH takes Daniels, but I'd rather the Giants get JJ than Maye. I'd still be more than fine with Maye but prefer JJ. I'd rather not trade pick 6, 47, 2025 1st plus for Maye. Trade up to 4 for JJM or Maye for pick 6, 2025 2nd and 3rd or so. Keep 47 and 2025 1st, AZ will love it because they get extra picks and Nabers or MHJ. Agreed, I'd be OK giving up future capital for either, would prefer to keep 47 if possible, would be OK giving up 70 this year if needed and a pick next year.

According to the advanced analytics trade chart which is very accurate, a 2025 2nd and pick 107 or 2025 2nd and 3rd would get it done for AZ. If we gave up pick 70 I think they would send us their pick 104 back (which would behoove them because they have 7 picks in the top 104 right now). So I would say either pick 6 2025 2nd and 70 for pick 4 and 104 or pick 6 and 2025 2nd and 3rd for pick 4. Something like that is likely what it would be. I think this is the most likely scenario whether NE trades down with the Vikings or not. I hope it would be for JJM, but Maye would be acceptable too.

then they are making a mistake, but it's one I am happy for them to make, and we must capitalise on it and do what it takes to get Drake Maye.

But I still think it will be Williams, Daniels, Maye going 1, 2, 3.
And I would pass on McCarthy.

In comment 16453762 Dave on the UWS said:

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1. JJ is being "hyped" to death, in part because of the crap coming out of Harbaugh's mouth. The media and the talking heads are lapping it up like a cat laps milk. 2. The NFL evaluators have been a "Ton" higher on McCarthy for awhile now, and the rumors and media are still playing catch up on this prospect. We will know on draft night. If he goes 2 or 3 its the latter.

Draft night can't get here quick enough. I still think CW and JD will go 1-2 regardless. Just hoping the Giants come out of round 1 with a/the QB they love.

In comment 16453762 Dave on the UWS said:

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1. JJ is being "hyped" to death, in part because of the crap coming out of Harbaugh's mouth. The media and the talking heads are lapping it up like a cat laps milk. 2. The NFL evaluators have been a "Ton" higher on McCarthy for awhile now, and the rumors and media are still playing catch up on this prospect. We will know on draft night. If he goes 2 or 3 its the latter.

Based on the praise of so many pro evaluators, I think it's much more likely door 2. I still think Daniels goes 2 and the Patriots will get a haul for pick 3, the smoke could be for teams trying to trade up to worry and pay more to NE. I hope we don't bite, wait to trade up to 4 saving pick 47 and a future 1st in the process.

In comment 16453671 UConn4523 said:

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do we really think GMs read about another teams interest in a QB (a team that needs a QB) and gets duped into taking the guy the other team apparently covets, ignoring their own scouting process and consensus?

It’s not players but the story goes that the Eagles feigned interest in McAdoo to get the Giants to sign him as HC.

The top clubs can sometimes influence weaker minded organizations through FOMO.

In comment 16453785 GiantTuff1 said:

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In comment 16453671 UConn4523 said: Quote: do we really think GMs read about another teams interest in a QB (a team that needs a QB) and gets duped into taking the guy the other team apparently covets, ignoring their own scouting process and consensus? It’s not players but the story goes that the Eagles feigned interest in McAdoo to get the Giants to sign him as HC. The top clubs can sometimes influence weaker minded organizations through FOMO.

They may have made the Giants make a decision more quickly than they wanted to, but that didn't make them hire a guy they weren't planning on hiring.

He is a winner, but has some flaws, as do most of them.

He cannot connect with WRs beyond 20 yards. His deep ball is terrible. Maye's deep ball is excellent. Maye is much bigger and has a better arm. Yes, he misses some throws, but that seems to be a footwork issue, something correctable. Maye looks to be a better runner/scrambler than McCarthy as well. I really don't want to trade up for McCarthy. IMHO, that would be an enormous mistake.

In comment 16453766 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16453761 bigblue5611 said: Quote: In comment 16453753 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: In comment 16453728 bigblue5611 said: Quote: In comment 16453724 UberAlias said: Quote: That we will trade up for Maye. There are people who are down on Maye and NE gives that impression. If Daniels goes 2, NE will likely either pick JJ, or trade down. If they consider a trade down, I'd have to think we'd be heavily in the discussion. If they go with JJ, I think we'd be strong bidders to swap with Az. IMO, Washington is a huge key to our pick. I agree that I think WASH takes Daniels, but I'd rather the Giants get JJ than Maye. I'd still be more than fine with Maye but prefer JJ. I'd rather not trade pick 6, 47, 2025 1st plus for Maye. Trade up to 4 for JJM or Maye for pick 6, 2025 2nd and 3rd or so. Keep 47 and 2025 1st, AZ will love it because they get extra picks and Nabers or MHJ. Agreed, I'd be OK giving up future capital for either, would prefer to keep 47 if possible, would be OK giving up 70 this year if needed and a pick next year. According to the advanced analytics trade chart which is very accurate, a 2025 2nd and pick 107 or 2025 2nd and 3rd would get it done for AZ. If we gave up pick 70 I think they would send us their pick 104 back (which would behoove them because they have 7 picks in the top 104 right now). So I would say either pick 6 2025 2nd and 70 for pick 4 and 104 or pick 6 and 2025 2nd and 3rd for pick 4. Something like that is likely what it would be. I think this is the most likely scenario whether NE trades down with the Vikings or not. I hope it would be for JJM, but Maye would be acceptable too.

I would much rather get to pick 4. I agree that keeping the compensation to a 2025 2nd round and pick 104 or 70 while keeping 47 and 2025 1st is a more ideal situation.

he really wants QBs to go 1-4 so he can take the generational WR MHJR at #5.

overvaluing talent has been an anathema for this franchise... let the draft come to you... too many needs have to be addressed. Finally we seem to be doing the right things build the foundation... Defense wins championships... As for QB if daboll wants to work with someone they will work it out..

Is certainly real. He played in a Pro style offense under Harbaugh. He has all the intangibles, gifted athletically, is young and he won. He is going very high.

McCarthy goes top 6 for certain.

In comment 16453669 UberAlias said:

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Could possibly get another team to change their grades on a player. These teams put a massive amount of research into these guys. I don't get the sense they're looking over each other's shoulders trying to steal the answers to the test.

Philly blew smoke and got the Giants to hire a coach once.