It’s April. They’ll be having the final come togethers soon. There are two distinct paths. Both have there camps (seems about 5 solid “camps” to call them). Final layouts will be made. They’ll run their mocks. Ultimately Schoen will have the biggest voice in this year’s draft path. He’s who the Mara’s and Tisch gave the keys too.
I still think NE takes a QB at #3 or will want a lot more than what Schoen is willing to or should offer to move up. That would put is in competition with Minnesota for #4 or #5, and they seem determined to get one of the "big four" QBs regardless of the cost. We also can't discount the possibility that one of them could still be available at #6.
The Vikings can't force the Cardinals to trade if they prefer to net Nabers or MHJ and don't care for the Vikings 1st rounders because they already have 7 picks in the top 104. Vikings best trade partner is the Patriots and then maybe thr Chargers, imp.
I don't think NE will trade with anyone. They need a QB as much as Minnesota. When you have a chance to draft a QB without moving up you do so. Wolf would be excoriated and likely fired if he traded the #3 pick to team that then used it to draft a franchise QB.
I think Minnesota will offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to Arizona or San Diego. Schoen would have to offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year to beat that offer, something I doubt he would do.
We don't have to match the offer with Minnesota if they Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers. Do they want MHJ/Nabers and our 2025 2nd+3rd, or do they want whatever they can do with picks 11, 23 and the 2025 picks? I'd bet they would prefer to get one of their top WR targets. Kyler is being paid a lot, they need a weapon for him. Nabers and MHJ are both near the top of the overall value board. They aren't getting either of them at 11.
Regardless of what Minnesota offers, a #2 and #3 in 2025 won't get us to #4 IMO. We'd have to give up #47 and our #2 next year at a minimum to get Arizona to drop to #6. And that #2 would have to be our #1 next year to beat that offer from Minnesota. If Schoen does that, he better be right, or he will be fired. I agree that trading down to #11 means that Arizona misses out on MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze, but they could still get Brian Thomas, Jr. at #11.
Another possibility is that they reject the trade offers from the Giants and Minnesota. The Giants don't offer enough to make them risk losing their #1 WR, a risk they don't need to take because they already have a ton of draft capital. That draft capital and losing out on all the "big three" WRs is why they also reject trade overtures from Minnesota.
These guys are super accurate on their proprietary trade equation/chart:
202t 2nd and 3rd or 2025 2nd and pick 107 would get it done IF AZ likes both Nabers and MHJ highly. If they are in love with MHJ then they won't trade down, I suspect they will like them both a lot. Link - ( New Window )
It’s April. They’ll be having the final come togethers soon. There are two distinct paths. Both have there camps (seems about 5 solid “camps” to call them). Final layouts will be made. They’ll run their mocks. Ultimately Schoen will have the biggest voice in this year’s draft path. He’s who the Mara’s and Tisch gave the keys too.
I still think NE takes a QB at #3 or will want a lot more than what Schoen is willing to or should offer to move up. That would put is in competition with Minnesota for #4 or #5, and they seem determined to get one of the "big four" QBs regardless of the cost. We also can't discount the possibility that one of them could still be available at #6.
The Vikings can't force the Cardinals to trade if they prefer to net Nabers or MHJ and don't care for the Vikings 1st rounders because they already have 7 picks in the top 104. Vikings best trade partner is the Patriots and then maybe thr Chargers, imp.
I don't think NE will trade with anyone. They need a QB as much as Minnesota. When you have a chance to draft a QB without moving up you do so. Wolf would be excoriated and likely fired if he traded the #3 pick to team that then used it to draft a franchise QB.
I think Minnesota will offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to Arizona or San Diego. Schoen would have to offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year to beat that offer, something I doubt he would do.
We don't have to match the offer with Minnesota if they Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers. Do they want MHJ/Nabers and our 2025 2nd+3rd, or do they want whatever they can do with picks 11, 23 and the 2025 picks? I'd bet they would prefer to get one of their top WR targets. Kyler is being paid a lot, they need a weapon for him. Nabers and MHJ are both near the top of the overall value board. They aren't getting either of them at 11.
Regardless of what Minnesota offers, a #2 and #3 in 2025 won't get us to #4 IMO. We'd have to give up #47 and our #2 next year at a minimum to get Arizona to drop to #6. And that #2 would have to be our #1 next year to beat that offer from Minnesota. If Schoen does that, he better be right, or he will be fired. I agree that trading down to #11 means that Arizona misses out on MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze, but they could still get Brian Thomas, Jr. at #11.
Another possibility is that they reject the trade offers from the Giants and Minnesota. The Giants don't offer enough to make them risk losing their #1 WR, a risk they don't need to take because they already have a ton of draft capital. That draft capital and losing out on all the "big three" WRs is why they also reject trade overtures from Minnesota.
These guys are super accurate on their proprietary trade equation/chart:
202t 2nd and 3rd or 2025 2nd and pick 107 would get it done IF AZ likes both Nabers and MHJ highly. If they are in love with MHJ then they won't trade down, I suspect they will like them both a lot. Link - ( New Window )
Trade charts are largely irrelevant if the team trying to trade up is doing so for a QB. The team trying to trade up typically has to substantially overpay beyond what a trade chart says is fair compensation. That amount would be even greater in this situation because Arizona might have another offer from Minnesota.
But I also think we would have to include #47 in any trade package, unless we offered our #1 next year. Trying to keep #47 by offering a future second and third won't be enough IMO. Future picks are typically discounted by a round, and nobody knows where we would be picking next year.
I do agree that Arizona is our most likely trade partner. The question is how much we'd have to give up to get to #4.
It’s April. They’ll be having the final come togethers soon. There are two distinct paths. Both have there camps (seems about 5 solid “camps” to call them). Final layouts will be made. They’ll run their mocks. Ultimately Schoen will have the biggest voice in this year’s draft path. He’s who the Mara’s and Tisch gave the keys too.
By "5 solid camps" do you mean five prospects?
yes.
Hmm, MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, JJM and Maye I presume?
Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ are the 4 locks, question is whether JJ or Nabers is next, I’d guess Nabers
It’s April. They’ll be having the final come togethers soon. There are two distinct paths. Both have there camps (seems about 5 solid “camps” to call them). Final layouts will be made. They’ll run their mocks. Ultimately Schoen will have the biggest voice in this year’s draft path. He’s who the Mara’s and Tisch gave the keys too.
By "5 solid camps" do you mean five prospects?
yes.
Hmm, MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, JJM and Maye I presume?
Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ are the 4 locks, question is whether JJ or Nabers is next, I’d guess Nabers
There's no Williams possibility and the Daniels possibility is slim to none. JJM has been linked to us in every way possible, he us definitely one of the "camps".
I still think NE takes a QB at #3 or will want a lot more than what Schoen is willing to or should offer to move up. That would put is in competition with Minnesota for #4 or #5, and they seem determined to get one of the "big four" QBs regardless of the cost. We also can't discount the possibility that one of them could still be available at #6.
The Vikings can't force the Cardinals to trade if they prefer to net Nabers or MHJ and don't care for the Vikings 1st rounders because they already have 7 picks in the top 104. Vikings best trade partner is the Patriots and then maybe thr Chargers, imp.
I don't think NE will trade with anyone. They need a QB as much as Minnesota. When you have a chance to draft a QB without moving up you do so. Wolf would be excoriated and likely fired if he traded the #3 pick to team that then used it to draft a franchise QB.
I think Minnesota will offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to Arizona or San Diego. Schoen would have to offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year to beat that offer, something I doubt he would do.
We don't have to match the offer with Minnesota if they Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers. Do they want MHJ/Nabers and our 2025 2nd+3rd, or do they want whatever they can do with picks 11, 23 and the 2025 picks? I'd bet they would prefer to get one of their top WR targets. Kyler is being paid a lot, they need a weapon for him. Nabers and MHJ are both near the top of the overall value board. They aren't getting either of them at 11.
Regardless of what Minnesota offers, a #2 and #3 in 2025 won't get us to #4 IMO. We'd have to give up #47 and our #2 next year at a minimum to get Arizona to drop to #6. And that #2 would have to be our #1 next year to beat that offer from Minnesota. If Schoen does that, he better be right, or he will be fired. I agree that trading down to #11 means that Arizona misses out on MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze, but they could still get Brian Thomas, Jr. at #11.
Another possibility is that they reject the trade offers from the Giants and Minnesota. The Giants don't offer enough to make them risk losing their #1 WR, a risk they don't need to take because they already have a ton of draft capital. That draft capital and losing out on all the "big three" WRs is why they also reject trade overtures from Minnesota.
These guys are super accurate on their proprietary trade equation/chart:
202t 2nd and 3rd or 2025 2nd and pick 107 would get it done IF AZ likes both Nabers and MHJ highly. If they are in love with MHJ then they won't trade down, I suspect they will like them both a lot. Link - ( New Window )
Trade charts are largely irrelevant if the team trying to trade up is doing so for a QB. The team trying to trade up typically has to substantially overpay beyond what a trade chart says is fair compensation. That amount would be even greater in this situation because Arizona might have another offer from Minnesota.
But I also think we would have to include #47 in any trade package, unless we offered our #1 next year. Trying to keep #47 by offering a future second and third won't be enough IMO. Future picks are typically discounted by a round, and nobody knows where we would be picking next year.
I do agree that Arizona is our most likely trade partner. The question is how much we'd have to give up to get to #4.
Did you read the article? Their information is proprietary. It's not a chart you can see, they have their own formula and it's specifically for modern values related to top picks for QBs.
I still think NE takes a QB at #3 or will want a lot more than what Schoen is willing to or should offer to move up. That would put is in competition with Minnesota for #4 or #5, and they seem determined to get one of the "big four" QBs regardless of the cost. We also can't discount the possibility that one of them could still be available at #6.
The Vikings can't force the Cardinals to trade if they prefer to net Nabers or MHJ and don't care for the Vikings 1st rounders because they already have 7 picks in the top 104. Vikings best trade partner is the Patriots and then maybe thr Chargers, imp.
I don't think NE will trade with anyone. They need a QB as much as Minnesota. When you have a chance to draft a QB without moving up you do so. Wolf would be excoriated and likely fired if he traded the #3 pick to team that then used it to draft a franchise QB.
I think Minnesota will offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to Arizona or San Diego. Schoen would have to offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year to beat that offer, something I doubt he would do.
We don't have to match the offer with Minnesota if they Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers. Do they want MHJ/Nabers and our 2025 2nd+3rd, or do they want whatever they can do with picks 11, 23 and the 2025 picks? I'd bet they would prefer to get one of their top WR targets. Kyler is being paid a lot, they need a weapon for him. Nabers and MHJ are both near the top of the overall value board. They aren't getting either of them at 11.
Regardless of what Minnesota offers, a #2 and #3 in 2025 won't get us to #4 IMO. We'd have to give up #47 and our #2 next year at a minimum to get Arizona to drop to #6. And that #2 would have to be our #1 next year to beat that offer from Minnesota. If Schoen does that, he better be right, or he will be fired. I agree that trading down to #11 means that Arizona misses out on MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze, but they could still get Brian Thomas, Jr. at #11.
Another possibility is that they reject the trade offers from the Giants and Minnesota. The Giants don't offer enough to make them risk losing their #1 WR, a risk they don't need to take because they already have a ton of draft capital. That draft capital and losing out on all the "big three" WRs is why they also reject trade overtures from Minnesota.
These guys are super accurate on their proprietary trade equation/chart:
202t 2nd and 3rd or 2025 2nd and pick 107 would get it done IF AZ likes both Nabers and MHJ highly. If they are in love with MHJ then they won't trade down, I suspect they will like them both a lot. Link - ( New Window )
Trade charts are largely irrelevant if the team trying to trade up is doing so for a QB. The team trying to trade up typically has to substantially overpay beyond what a trade chart says is fair compensation. That amount would be even greater in this situation because Arizona might have another offer from Minnesota.
But I also think we would have to include #47 in any trade package, unless we offered our #1 next year. Trying to keep #47 by offering a future second and third won't be enough IMO. Future picks are typically discounted by a round, and nobody knows where we would be picking next year.
I do agree that Arizona is our most likely trade partner. The question is how much we'd have to give up to get to #4.
They aren't discounted by a round, they are valued back of that round picks though.
Teams are more likely to deal with the Giants because they have a better idea of who will be available to them at #6, and probably a better player. Minny will have to make them an offer they can't refuse in order to entice them to drop that far to #11. The Giants don't need to go crazy here. New England desperately needs a QB, but for the right deal, they might be enticed to do it.
It’s April. They’ll be having the final come togethers soon. There are two distinct paths. Both have there camps (seems about 5 solid “camps” to call them). Final layouts will be made. They’ll run their mocks. Ultimately Schoen will have the biggest voice in this year’s draft path. He’s who the Mara’s and Tisch gave the keys too.
By "5 solid camps" do you mean five prospects?
yes.
Hmm, MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, JJM and Maye I presume?
Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ are the 4 locks, question is whether JJ or Nabers is next, I’d guess Nabers
There's no Williams possibility and the Daniels possibility is slim to none. JJM has been linked to us in every way possible, he us definitely one of the "camps".
He said two distinct paths, each with their respective camps, 5 camps total. My read:
Path 1 - Trade up for QB. This might have camps for trade w/NE for Maye and trade w/Az for JJM.
Path 2: Stay at 6. This would have camp for Nabers and Odunze, assuming MHJ is gone. The last camp is also in the stay at 6 path but would take a QB over the WRs if one fell (JJM for instance).
Path 1: Trade up for Maye (Camp 1) or McCarthy (Camp 2)
Path 2: Don't trade up (which could include a trade back) and pick Nabors (Camp 3), Odunze (Camp 4) or McCarthy/Maye at 6 or pick Brian Thomas (Camp 5) at a trade back spot if none of the three aforementioned are there.
Based on what I've read about MHJ, I don't think the Giants are as high on him as others think because he is a not speed guy. Schoen has mentioned about wanting speed guys at the skill positions on offense. Nabers ran a 4.35 40, Odunze ran a 4.45 and Thomas ran a 4.33.
What I am curious about is if they go WR at 6, what is the plan at QB? Is it Pennix at 47 (or a trade up into the back of Round 1) or is it punting to 2025?
Thanks Go Deep.
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I still think NE takes a QB at #3 or will want a lot more than what Schoen is willing to or should offer to move up. That would put is in competition with Minnesota for #4 or #5, and they seem determined to get one of the "big four" QBs regardless of the cost. We also can't discount the possibility that one of them could still be available at #6.
The Vikings can't force the Cardinals to trade if they prefer to net Nabers or MHJ and don't care for the Vikings 1st rounders because they already have 7 picks in the top 104. Vikings best trade partner is the Patriots and then maybe thr Chargers, imp.
I don't think NE will trade with anyone. They need a QB as much as Minnesota. When you have a chance to draft a QB without moving up you do so. Wolf would be excoriated and likely fired if he traded the #3 pick to team that then used it to draft a franchise QB.
I think Minnesota will offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to Arizona or San Diego. Schoen would have to offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year to beat that offer, something I doubt he would do.
We don't have to match the offer with Minnesota if they Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers. Do they want MHJ/Nabers and our 2025 2nd+3rd, or do they want whatever they can do with picks 11, 23 and the 2025 picks? I'd bet they would prefer to get one of their top WR targets. Kyler is being paid a lot, they need a weapon for him. Nabers and MHJ are both near the top of the overall value board. They aren't getting either of them at 11.
Regardless of what Minnesota offers, a #2 and #3 in 2025 won't get us to #4 IMO. We'd have to give up #47 and our #2 next year at a minimum to get Arizona to drop to #6. And that #2 would have to be our #1 next year to beat that offer from Minnesota. If Schoen does that, he better be right, or he will be fired. I agree that trading down to #11 means that Arizona misses out on MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze, but they could still get Brian Thomas, Jr. at #11.
Another possibility is that they reject the trade offers from the Giants and Minnesota. The Giants don't offer enough to make them risk losing their #1 WR, a risk they don't need to take because they already have a ton of draft capital. That draft capital and losing out on all the "big three" WRs is why they also reject trade overtures from Minnesota.
These guys are super accurate on their proprietary trade equation/chart:
202t 2nd and 3rd or 2025 2nd and pick 107 would get it done IF AZ likes both Nabers and MHJ highly. If they are in love with MHJ then they won't trade down, I suspect they will like them both a lot.
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It’s April. They’ll be having the final come togethers soon. There are two distinct paths. Both have there camps (seems about 5 solid “camps” to call them). Final layouts will be made. They’ll run their mocks. Ultimately Schoen will have the biggest voice in this year’s draft path. He’s who the Mara’s and Tisch gave the keys too.
By "5 solid camps" do you mean five prospects?
yes.
Hmm, MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, JJM and Maye I presume?
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I still think NE takes a QB at #3 or will want a lot more than what Schoen is willing to or should offer to move up. That would put is in competition with Minnesota for #4 or #5, and they seem determined to get one of the "big four" QBs regardless of the cost. We also can't discount the possibility that one of them could still be available at #6.
The Vikings can't force the Cardinals to trade if they prefer to net Nabers or MHJ and don't care for the Vikings 1st rounders because they already have 7 picks in the top 104. Vikings best trade partner is the Patriots and then maybe thr Chargers, imp.
I don't think NE will trade with anyone. They need a QB as much as Minnesota. When you have a chance to draft a QB without moving up you do so. Wolf would be excoriated and likely fired if he traded the #3 pick to team that then used it to draft a franchise QB.
I think Minnesota will offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to Arizona or San Diego. Schoen would have to offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year to beat that offer, something I doubt he would do.
We don't have to match the offer with Minnesota if they Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers. Do they want MHJ/Nabers and our 2025 2nd+3rd, or do they want whatever they can do with picks 11, 23 and the 2025 picks? I'd bet they would prefer to get one of their top WR targets. Kyler is being paid a lot, they need a weapon for him. Nabers and MHJ are both near the top of the overall value board. They aren't getting either of them at 11.
Regardless of what Minnesota offers, a #2 and #3 in 2025 won't get us to #4 IMO. We'd have to give up #47 and our #2 next year at a minimum to get Arizona to drop to #6. And that #2 would have to be our #1 next year to beat that offer from Minnesota. If Schoen does that, he better be right, or he will be fired. I agree that trading down to #11 means that Arizona misses out on MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze, but they could still get Brian Thomas, Jr. at #11.
Another possibility is that they reject the trade offers from the Giants and Minnesota. The Giants don't offer enough to make them risk losing their #1 WR, a risk they don't need to take because they already have a ton of draft capital. That draft capital and losing out on all the "big three" WRs is why they also reject trade overtures from Minnesota.
These guys are super accurate on their proprietary trade equation/chart:
202t 2nd and 3rd or 2025 2nd and pick 107 would get it done IF AZ likes both Nabers and MHJ highly. If they are in love with MHJ then they won't trade down, I suspect they will like them both a lot. Link - ( New Window )
Trade charts are largely irrelevant if the team trying to trade up is doing so for a QB. The team trying to trade up typically has to substantially overpay beyond what a trade chart says is fair compensation. That amount would be even greater in this situation because Arizona might have another offer from Minnesota.
But I also think we would have to include #47 in any trade package, unless we offered our #1 next year. Trying to keep #47 by offering a future second and third won't be enough IMO. Future picks are typically discounted by a round, and nobody knows where we would be picking next year.
I do agree that Arizona is our most likely trade partner. The question is how much we'd have to give up to get to #4.
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It’s April. They’ll be having the final come togethers soon. There are two distinct paths. Both have there camps (seems about 5 solid “camps” to call them). Final layouts will be made. They’ll run their mocks. Ultimately Schoen will have the biggest voice in this year’s draft path. He’s who the Mara’s and Tisch gave the keys too.
By "5 solid camps" do you mean five prospects?
yes.
Hmm, MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, JJM and Maye I presume?
Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ are the 4 locks, question is whether JJ or Nabers is next, I’d guess Nabers
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It’s April. They’ll be having the final come togethers soon. There are two distinct paths. Both have there camps (seems about 5 solid “camps” to call them). Final layouts will be made. They’ll run their mocks. Ultimately Schoen will have the biggest voice in this year’s draft path. He’s who the Mara’s and Tisch gave the keys too.
By "5 solid camps" do you mean five prospects?
yes.
Hmm, MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, JJM and Maye I presume?
Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ are the 4 locks, question is whether JJ or Nabers is next, I’d guess Nabers
There's no Williams possibility and the Daniels possibility is slim to none. JJM has been linked to us in every way possible, he us definitely one of the "camps".
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I still think NE takes a QB at #3 or will want a lot more than what Schoen is willing to or should offer to move up. That would put is in competition with Minnesota for #4 or #5, and they seem determined to get one of the "big four" QBs regardless of the cost. We also can't discount the possibility that one of them could still be available at #6.
The Vikings can't force the Cardinals to trade if they prefer to net Nabers or MHJ and don't care for the Vikings 1st rounders because they already have 7 picks in the top 104. Vikings best trade partner is the Patriots and then maybe thr Chargers, imp.
I don't think NE will trade with anyone. They need a QB as much as Minnesota. When you have a chance to draft a QB without moving up you do so. Wolf would be excoriated and likely fired if he traded the #3 pick to team that then used it to draft a franchise QB.
I think Minnesota will offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to Arizona or San Diego. Schoen would have to offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year to beat that offer, something I doubt he would do.
We don't have to match the offer with Minnesota if they Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers. Do they want MHJ/Nabers and our 2025 2nd+3rd, or do they want whatever they can do with picks 11, 23 and the 2025 picks? I'd bet they would prefer to get one of their top WR targets. Kyler is being paid a lot, they need a weapon for him. Nabers and MHJ are both near the top of the overall value board. They aren't getting either of them at 11.
Regardless of what Minnesota offers, a #2 and #3 in 2025 won't get us to #4 IMO. We'd have to give up #47 and our #2 next year at a minimum to get Arizona to drop to #6. And that #2 would have to be our #1 next year to beat that offer from Minnesota. If Schoen does that, he better be right, or he will be fired. I agree that trading down to #11 means that Arizona misses out on MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze, but they could still get Brian Thomas, Jr. at #11.
Another possibility is that they reject the trade offers from the Giants and Minnesota. The Giants don't offer enough to make them risk losing their #1 WR, a risk they don't need to take because they already have a ton of draft capital. That draft capital and losing out on all the "big three" WRs is why they also reject trade overtures from Minnesota.
These guys are super accurate on their proprietary trade equation/chart:
202t 2nd and 3rd or 2025 2nd and pick 107 would get it done IF AZ likes both Nabers and MHJ highly. If they are in love with MHJ then they won't trade down, I suspect they will like them both a lot. Link - ( New Window )
Trade charts are largely irrelevant if the team trying to trade up is doing so for a QB. The team trying to trade up typically has to substantially overpay beyond what a trade chart says is fair compensation. That amount would be even greater in this situation because Arizona might have another offer from Minnesota.
But I also think we would have to include #47 in any trade package, unless we offered our #1 next year. Trying to keep #47 by offering a future second and third won't be enough IMO. Future picks are typically discounted by a round, and nobody knows where we would be picking next year.
I do agree that Arizona is our most likely trade partner. The question is how much we'd have to give up to get to #4.
Did you read the article? Their information is proprietary. It's not a chart you can see, they have their own formula and it's specifically for modern values related to top picks for QBs.
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I still think NE takes a QB at #3 or will want a lot more than what Schoen is willing to or should offer to move up. That would put is in competition with Minnesota for #4 or #5, and they seem determined to get one of the "big four" QBs regardless of the cost. We also can't discount the possibility that one of them could still be available at #6.
The Vikings can't force the Cardinals to trade if they prefer to net Nabers or MHJ and don't care for the Vikings 1st rounders because they already have 7 picks in the top 104. Vikings best trade partner is the Patriots and then maybe thr Chargers, imp.
I don't think NE will trade with anyone. They need a QB as much as Minnesota. When you have a chance to draft a QB without moving up you do so. Wolf would be excoriated and likely fired if he traded the #3 pick to team that then used it to draft a franchise QB.
I think Minnesota will offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to Arizona or San Diego. Schoen would have to offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year to beat that offer, something I doubt he would do.
We don't have to match the offer with Minnesota if they Cardinals want MHJ or Nabers. Do they want MHJ/Nabers and our 2025 2nd+3rd, or do they want whatever they can do with picks 11, 23 and the 2025 picks? I'd bet they would prefer to get one of their top WR targets. Kyler is being paid a lot, they need a weapon for him. Nabers and MHJ are both near the top of the overall value board. They aren't getting either of them at 11.
Regardless of what Minnesota offers, a #2 and #3 in 2025 won't get us to #4 IMO. We'd have to give up #47 and our #2 next year at a minimum to get Arizona to drop to #6. And that #2 would have to be our #1 next year to beat that offer from Minnesota. If Schoen does that, he better be right, or he will be fired. I agree that trading down to #11 means that Arizona misses out on MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze, but they could still get Brian Thomas, Jr. at #11.
Another possibility is that they reject the trade offers from the Giants and Minnesota. The Giants don't offer enough to make them risk losing their #1 WR, a risk they don't need to take because they already have a ton of draft capital. That draft capital and losing out on all the "big three" WRs is why they also reject trade overtures from Minnesota.
These guys are super accurate on their proprietary trade equation/chart:
202t 2nd and 3rd or 2025 2nd and pick 107 would get it done IF AZ likes both Nabers and MHJ highly. If they are in love with MHJ then they won't trade down, I suspect they will like them both a lot. Link - ( New Window )
Trade charts are largely irrelevant if the team trying to trade up is doing so for a QB. The team trying to trade up typically has to substantially overpay beyond what a trade chart says is fair compensation. That amount would be even greater in this situation because Arizona might have another offer from Minnesota.
But I also think we would have to include #47 in any trade package, unless we offered our #1 next year. Trying to keep #47 by offering a future second and third won't be enough IMO. Future picks are typically discounted by a round, and nobody knows where we would be picking next year.
I do agree that Arizona is our most likely trade partner. The question is how much we'd have to give up to get to #4.
They aren't discounted by a round, they are valued back of that round picks though.
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It’s April. They’ll be having the final come togethers soon. There are two distinct paths. Both have there camps (seems about 5 solid “camps” to call them). Final layouts will be made. They’ll run their mocks. Ultimately Schoen will have the biggest voice in this year’s draft path. He’s who the Mara’s and Tisch gave the keys too.
By "5 solid camps" do you mean five prospects?
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Hmm, MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, JJM and Maye I presume?
Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ are the 4 locks, question is whether JJ or Nabers is next, I’d guess Nabers
There's no Williams possibility and the Daniels possibility is slim to none. JJM has been linked to us in every way possible, he us definitely one of the "camps".
He said two distinct paths, each with their respective camps, 5 camps total. My read:
Path 1 - Trade up for QB. This might have camps for trade w/NE for Maye and trade w/Az for JJM.
Path 2: Stay at 6. This would have camp for Nabers and Odunze, assuming MHJ is gone. The last camp is also in the stay at 6 path but would take a QB over the WRs if one fell (JJM for instance).
That’s my guess.
1) Trade up prices for all top picks have been ascertained. The 5 include Caleb and Jayden.
2) The Bears picking Caleb and WFT picking Jayden are locked in. The 5 are McCarthy, Maye and the top 3 WRs.
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Been keeping an eye on your tea leaves and the message has been pretty consistent.
Same. Crystal clear, but for those who have the ability to understand.
Path 1: Trade up for Maye (Camp 1) or McCarthy (Camp 2)
Path 2: Don't trade up (which could include a trade back) and pick Nabors (Camp 3), Odunze (Camp 4) or McCarthy/Maye at 6 or pick Brian Thomas (Camp 5) at a trade back spot if none of the three aforementioned are there.
Based on what I've read about MHJ, I don't think the Giants are as high on him as others think because he is a not speed guy. Schoen has mentioned about wanting speed guys at the skill positions on offense. Nabers ran a 4.35 40, Odunze ran a 4.45 and Thomas ran a 4.33.
What I am curious about is if they go WR at 6, what is the plan at QB? Is it Pennix at 47 (or a trade up into the back of Round 1) or is it punting to 2025?