Would the Pats take Daniel Jones in a Trade Down Deal?

Pipe dream, IMO

The Giants would be eating most of the contract. The Patriots would be able to easily get out of it after the season. Pats drop down to 6 and can still take a QB or get a blue chip WR.

It's not QB hell if you aren't paying much for the QB.

Hey, that's my idea.
Would the Pats Trade for Daniel Jones? - ( New Window )

In all seriousness, if the Giants eat all but the minimum, Jones is a viable bridge QB for a team.

I think in a trade he holds the value of approximately a 4th round pick.

A chin strap has better trade value than Daniel Jones. But if they’re stupid enough to do it, ok.

for DJ, it's New England. That team is god awful.

somebody already asked, can Jones even be traded right now since he can't pass a physical? Even if he can, I don't think he has any trade value right now, regardless of how much of his contract we eat, and even if he agrees to waive his injury guarantee. He's had a concussion, two serious neck injuries, and is less than a year removed from tearing his ACL. A plausible argument can be made that he should retire.

In comment 16454397 Saos1n said:

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Pipe dream, IMO

I think this is the key part. The Giants might be able to get a very cheap pick for 2025 later in the offseason once he can pass a physical if they were to take a QB and eat his contract like they did with Leonard Williams. However, in terms of the 2024 draft I can't see it happening.

did that like never seen before in New England. And I m not talking about their soccer team or the Boston Tea Party. The head coach and Kraft and Wolfe would all be thrown overboard.

if he suffers a career-ending injury in New England?

In comment 16454375 bw in dc said:

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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?

That’s like getting airlifted from Ukraine to Gaza.

In comment 16454432 regischarlotte said:

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In comment 16454375 bw in dc said: Quote: than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones? That’s like getting airlifted from Ukraine to Gaza.

North Philly to Camden…or vice versa..

In comment 16454428 Blue Dog said:

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In comment 16454397 Saos1n said: Quote: Pipe dream, IMO I think this is the key part. The Giants might be able to get a very cheap pick for 2025 later in the offseason once he can pass a physical if they were to take a QB and eat his contract like they did with Leonard Williams. However, in terms of the 2024 draft I can't see it happening.

+1.

Joe Schoen could sleep with Mara's dog and not get fired.

it might not be as far-fetched as it appears.

Reasons why it MIGHT work for the Pats:

1) The Pats still have over $46M in cap space; taking on Jones, with some cap relief from the Giants doesn’t cripple them.

2) Jones is signed for multiple years; however there is NO guaranteed money left after 2024. Thus, the Pats would be in a good position to renegotiate the deal to something more reasonable or threaten to dump him into FA where he doesn’t see even a small percentage of that money.

3) Jacoby Brisett is not the answer- this is his second tour in NE and they know what he can and cannot do. Jones is better- and if they draft a rookie, Jones might be the better QB to teach them short term.

Reasons why it doesn’t work for the Pats:

1) Jones isn’t good. Period.

2) Jones injury guarantee for 2025. He hasn’t been healthy yet- why expect that to change now

3) They are not in win-now mode.

Why it works for the Giants:

1) trading Jones means they actually save some money against the cap- though not much- close to $14M.

2) he is not a good QB

3) they need to change things to move forward.

Why it doesn’t work for the Giants:

Well, there are no reasons why it doesn’t work for the Giants.

Do you think Mara would sign off on this? I just can't see it, no matter how good it would be for the franchise.

more in picks in a deal.

He has negative value on Giants so it would cost us to move him.

Let me know if this isn’t easily apparent,

Daniel Jones has zero trade value. Trading for Daniel Jones would not only be idiotic,it would be career suicide. He is nothing more than a quality backup in today's NFL. He

In comment 16454432 regischarlotte said:

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In comment 16454375 bw in dc said: Quote: than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones? That’s like getting airlifted from Ukraine to Gaza.

Correct, because Mac could be fixed eventually, while Daniel will never be fixed.

maybe gave picks to get rid of Goff?

In comment 16454488 cpgiants said:

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In comment 16454432 regischarlotte said: Quote: In comment 16454375 bw in dc said: Quote: than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones? That’s like getting airlifted from Ukraine to Gaza. Correct, because Mac could be fixed eventually, while Daniel will never be fixed.

What part of Mac jones game did you like? Did you watch pats games? The dude is fucking awful. I’d argue is a lesser talented player than Daniel and it’s not close. He sucks and forces the ball into triple coverage regularly

I sincerely doubt he could be convinced to take Jones under any circumstances.

To move Daniel Jones now, the Giants would get hit with a $69.315 million dead money charge against the 2024 salary cap, which would be very difficult for the team to absorb.

running out of things to talk about. You guys seriously think this is a possibility ?!?! Why the hell would New England trade for an expensive shell shocked a qb fresh off an ACL tear and a second neck injury ?

who is yet to prove he's any better than the last.

way the Pats would want DJ. However those that think DJ is as bad as Mac Jones are just being thick. DJ is far better than Mac. At worst DJ is a good back up, Mac Jones isn't even that.

But again, no way NE takes Jones. I can see a mid season trade somewhere to a team that loses their starter and still is in the playoff hunt, but not now.

I thought that was over already.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Oh, you're SERIOUS?

Because the Pats main goal this year, according to BBI, is to make the Giants a better team. And just trading us the 3rd so we could take the QB they need even worse than us isn’t enough. They’ll take Jones as well.

the many Pats fans in my life. It would be so fun.

That said, it seems ridiculous. I haven't looked but can that even work cap space wise?

In comment 16454415 christian said:

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In all seriousness, if the Giants eat all but the minimum, Jones is a viable bridge QB for a team. I think in a trade he holds the value of approximately a 4th round pick.

This. And only if you think he is healthy. If you want them to eat some of his actual 2024 cap hit, you would have to give up more picks not less to include him.

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Joe Schoen could sleep with Mara's dog and not get fired.

Lol but thanks for the disgusting image.

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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?

Long-suffering fans in Cleveland, Washington, and Chicago might have a few thoughts on this topic, along with the green-clad idiots who share MetLife Stadium.

Daniel Jones isn't QB hell. He's just a #6 pick who hasn't worked out, and who appears to have fallen apart after signing a big contract. He's basically what Carson Wentz became in Philly. How long did it take the Eagles to recover? A year or two?

They are a bad team drafting #3 why would they not just stick and pick a QB that they so desperately need? This is their oppurtunity to get their QB, it just does not make sense to me.

In comment 16454605 Big Blue Blogger said:

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bw in dc said: Quote: than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones? Long-suffering fans in Cleveland, Washington, and Chicago might have a few thoughts on this topic, along with the green-clad idiots who share MetLife Stadium. Daniel Jones isn't QB hell. He's just a #6 pick who hasn't worked out, and who appears to have fallen apart after signing a big contract. He's basically what Carson Wentz became in Philly. How long did it take the Eagles to recover? A year or two?

I think you just described QB hell in regards to Jones.

In comment 16454625 SirLoinOfBeef said:

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In comment 16454605 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: bw in dc said: Quote: than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones? Long-suffering fans in Cleveland, Washington, and Chicago might have a few thoughts on this topic, along with the green-clad idiots who share MetLife Stadium. Daniel Jones isn't QB hell. He's just a #6 pick who hasn't worked out, and who appears to have fallen apart after signing a big contract. He's basically what Carson Wentz became in Philly. How long did it take the Eagles to recover? A year or two? I think you just described QB hell in regards to Jones.

Of course this is QB hell we have the worst QB room in the league, led by a lousy QB who played just well enough to earn an anvil of a contract. A contract he didn't deserve. We have noone to blame but ourselves.

you got to love them. Most of them couldn't run a corner candy store.

...the Giants are in QB Hell, and the Patriots might take their place there by acquiring Daniel Jones (especially if significant cap relief were not built into the deal). I think of Hell as eternal damnation, a condition familiar to fans of teams like the Browns, Jets, and Commanders. And Hell is a function of more than one position. The last eight years of Eli Manning's career were no better than the first five of Daniel Jones's tenure, because the team stunk. One good draft pick or trade or free agent signing can convert a single position from a weakness to a strength. But the team as a whole might remain in the underworld.

is more likely for the Pats. No injury issues, no cap issues. Some team will take a flyer on him via trade or after he gets released. Baker Mayfield is the new role model for QB redemption. Who's next? Darnold, Wilson, Lance, Fields? And it would not shock me if DJ has a good second act after the Giants, assuming injury concerns don't end his career.

the Giants would have to add picks for another team to take Jones. Any “analyst” proposing Jones being part of the trade is just being lazy, and not considering the very real cap implications.

His name was Mac

In comment 16454379 AcidTest said:

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In comment 16454375 bw in dc said: Quote: than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones? HAHAHA. No, there is not.

Dave Brown to Danny Kanell?

is not only able to land the 3rd overall pick and Drake Maye but also move Daniel Jones in the deal then Schoen deserves exec of the year for that alone.

and don't see any way or reason they'd want Jones, unless NYG eats a gigantic portion of the $ owed to him (and the cap hit).

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and don't see any way or reason they'd want Jones, unless NYG eats a gigantic portion of the $ owed to him (and the cap hit).

+I expect they would want Jones to waive the injury guarantee.

It's not like we haven't been there before. However, over the years we've been able to get out of it, eventually. So, whether it happens this year or next year, or a couple of years from now, I figure the Giants will get out of once again, eventually. They always have.

Do I trust Joe Schoen to make it happen this year? I don't know. I've agreed with almost every move he's made, but the backfires have me questioning my own judgement as well as his. Not that mine was all that great to begin with, but still, being this wrong, this often, well, it's sobering, to say the least.

Whatever happens in the draft, I just hope the Giants come out a better team on Monday than they were on Thursday (at least on paper). If a QB is in the cards, great. If he's the goods, I don't care about the cost. I learned that lesson in 2004.

If not, a WR1 wouldn't hurt, nor would a DT to pair with Dex. or some reinforcements for the O-Line or Secondary. Having a few more pieces in place when we finally do emerge from QB Purgatory isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it does mean we have to be patient.

Honestly, I can't remember when I've been as conflicted heading into the draft as I am this year. And if I feel that way, I can only imagine how Joe Schoen feels. It's not my job that could be on the line. Well, whatever he does I'll try and put a good spin on it. It's my nature. I just hope he's done with the backfires.

Same here, confidence in The Schoen Reign has deeply waned.

Daniel Jones - might not be able to play again. Does not seem like appetizing trade down bait.

Guy's the writing is on the wall, the Giants are committed to DJ, at least for this season. They're not looking to trade up for a QB. They will stay a 6 for a WR or trade down if the right situation arises. Maybe a QB in round 2.

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Same here, confidence in The Schoen Reign has deeply waned.

What a difference a year makes.

In comment 16455171 Klaatu said:

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In comment 16455045 JonC said: Quote: Same here, confidence in The Schoen Reign has deeply waned. What a difference a year makes.

I hate to even post this because i want these guys in the FO be the long term solution here, but entering year 3, Schoen needs to be MUCH better than what he’s shown here in years 1 and 2. This roster is still one of the very worst in the league and figures to continue to be in 2024.