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Would the Pats take Daniel Jones in a Trade Down Deal?

nyjuggernaut2 : 4/2/2024 9:32 pm
In discussing a draft day trade involving the Giants and New England, I have heard a few draft analysts the last week or so talk about Jones being part of a deal that would see the Giants trading up to #3. As much as I would be thrilled to see the Giants get Daniels or Maye at 3, while also getting rid of Jones, I just can’t see New England viewing him and his contract as a better choice over taking a younger, cheaper, and more promising QB prospect.

Any asshats hearing Jones’s name being tied to a deal with New England?
it  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/2/2024 9:35 pm : link
was mentioned tonight by Zerlein.
What???  
jvm52106 : 4/2/2024 9:35 pm : link
An injured QB with a less than stellar track record and huge salary....Why wouldn't they want him.
Imagine trying to sell that to your fans  
GFAN52 : 4/2/2024 9:36 pm : link
Seem pretty improbable just from the money NE would be on the hook for.
RE: it  
nyjuggernaut2 : 4/2/2024 9:40 pm : link
In comment 16454365 Eric from BBI said:
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was mentioned tonight by Zerlein.


I’ve also heard Daniel Jeremiah mention it, and Pete Prisco said it in last weeks podcast.
RE: What???  
nyjuggernaut2 : 4/2/2024 9:41 pm : link
In comment 16454366 jvm52106 said:
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An injured QB with a less than stellar track record and huge salary....Why wouldn't they want him.


My thoughts exactly. I just find it odd that it’s been brought up a few times the past week by some NFL pundits.
Is there a bigger QB Hell...  
bw in dc : 4/2/2024 9:44 pm : link
than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?



RE: Is there a bigger QB Hell...  
AcidTest : 4/2/2024 9:46 pm : link
In comment 16454375 bw in dc said:
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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?




HAHAHA. No, there is not.
RE: RE: it  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/2/2024 9:49 pm : link
In comment 16454371 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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In comment 16454365 Eric from BBI said:


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was mentioned tonight by Zerlein.



I’ve also heard Daniel Jeremiah mention it, and Pete Prisco said it in last weeks podcast.


It might have been Jeremiah who said it... they were BOTH discussing the Giants trading up to #3 to take Maye and one of them mentioned Jones being part of the deal.
I am watching NFL mock draft live  
Rjanyg : 4/2/2024 9:51 pm : link
Just heard Zierlein suggest this as well. I am sure for this to happen the Giants would have to eat a little salary, but we would also get cap relief in the scenario.

I also think angels would have to appear in the sky during the solar eclipse on Monday for this to be a possibility.
I guess NE may view it as a one year  
LW_Giants : 4/2/2024 9:51 pm : link
Experiment, either it fails miserably and they pick a qb high in the next draft or he plays ok and they can restructure the deal.

Having now watched Jones for five seasons, it seems like insane thinking but I hope it’s true
If  
darren in pdx : 4/2/2024 9:51 pm : link
NE is dumb enough for that, sign me up.
Would he not have to pass a physical?  
Saos1n : 4/2/2024 9:56 pm : link
Pipe dream, IMO
It's not crazy  
Sean : 4/2/2024 9:58 pm : link
The Giants would be eating most of the contract. The Patriots would be able to easily get out of it after the season. Pats drop down to 6 and can still take a QB or get a blue chip WR.

It's not QB hell if you aren't paying much for the QB.
 
christian : 4/2/2024 10:02 pm : link
Hey, that's my idea.
Would the Pats Trade for Daniel Jones? - ( New Window )
 
christian : 4/2/2024 10:05 pm : link
In all seriousness, if the Giants eat all but the minimum, Jones is a viable bridge QB for a team.

I think in a trade he holds the value of approximately a 4th round pick.
No way. Come on.  
The_Boss : 4/2/2024 10:07 pm : link
A chin strap has better trade value than Daniel Jones. But if they’re stupid enough to do it, ok.
If there is one team thats actually worse than the Giants  
Rudy5757 : 4/2/2024 10:11 pm : link
for DJ, it's New England. That team is god awful.
As  
AcidTest : 4/2/2024 10:14 pm : link
somebody already asked, can Jones even be traded right now since he can't pass a physical? Even if he can, I don't think he has any trade value right now, regardless of how much of his contract we eat, and even if he agrees to waive his injury guarantee. He's had a concussion, two serious neck injuries, and is less than a year removed from tearing his ACL. A plausible argument can be made that he should retire.
RE: Would he not have to pass a physical?  
Blue Dog : 4/2/2024 10:15 pm : link
In comment 16454397 Saos1n said:
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Pipe dream, IMO


I think this is the key part. The Giants might be able to get a very cheap pick for 2025 later in the offseason once he can pass a physical if they were to take a QB and eat his contract like they did with Leonard Williams. However, in terms of the 2024 draft I can't see it happening.
There would be a revolution in New England if they  
Blue21 : 4/2/2024 10:15 pm : link
did that like never seen before in New England. And I m not talking about their soccer team or the Boston Tea Party. The head coach and Kraft and Wolfe would all be thrown overboard.
Who is on the hook for the 2025 injury clause  
Darwinian : 4/2/2024 10:17 pm : link
if he suffers a career-ending injury in New England?
RE: Is there a bigger QB Hell...  
regischarlotte : 4/2/2024 10:18 pm : link
In comment 16454375 bw in dc said:
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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?




That’s like getting airlifted from Ukraine to Gaza.
RE: RE: Is there a bigger QB Hell...  
The_Boss : 4/2/2024 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16454432 regischarlotte said:
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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?






That’s like getting airlifted from Ukraine to Gaza.


North Philly to Camden…or vice versa..
RE: RE: Would he not have to pass a physical?  
AcidTest : 4/2/2024 10:22 pm : link
In comment 16454428 Blue Dog said:
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In comment 16454397 Saos1n said:


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Pipe dream, IMO



I think this is the key part. The Giants might be able to get a very cheap pick for 2025 later in the offseason once he can pass a physical if they were to take a QB and eat his contract like they did with Leonard Williams. However, in terms of the 2024 draft I can't see it happening.


+1.
If this happened  
blueblood : 4/2/2024 10:31 pm : link
Joe Schoen could sleep with Mara's dog and not get fired.
While I have my serious doubts that this is true  
rich in DC : 4/2/2024 10:32 pm : link
it might not be as far-fetched as it appears.

Reasons why it MIGHT work for the Pats:

1) The Pats still have over $46M in cap space; taking on Jones, with some cap relief from the Giants doesn’t cripple them.

2) Jones is signed for multiple years; however there is NO guaranteed money left after 2024. Thus, the Pats would be in a good position to renegotiate the deal to something more reasonable or threaten to dump him into FA where he doesn’t see even a small percentage of that money.

3) Jacoby Brisett is not the answer- this is his second tour in NE and they know what he can and cannot do. Jones is better- and if they draft a rookie, Jones might be the better QB to teach them short term.

Reasons why it doesn’t work for the Pats:

1) Jones isn’t good. Period.

2) Jones injury guarantee for 2025. He hasn’t been healthy yet- why expect that to change now

3) They are not in win-now mode.

Why it works for the Giants:

1) trading Jones means they actually save some money against the cap- though not much- close to $14M.

2) he is not a good QB

3) they need to change things to move forward.

Why it doesn’t work for the Giants:

Well, there are no reasons why it doesn’t work for the Giants.
After all his comments on DJ  
Spider43 : 4/2/2024 10:40 pm : link
Do you think Mara would sign off on this? I just can't see it, no matter how good it would be for the franchise.
Yes they would take Jones but it would cost us  
ThomasG : 4/2/2024 10:43 pm : link
more in picks in a deal.

He has negative value on Giants so it would cost us to move him.

Let me know if this isn’t easily apparent,

Absolutely not  
Highlander : 4/2/2024 11:19 pm : link
Daniel Jones has zero trade value. Trading for Daniel Jones would not only be idiotic,it would be career suicide. He is nothing more than a quality backup in today's NFL. He
RE: RE: Is there a bigger QB Hell...  
cpgiants : 4/2/2024 11:30 pm : link
In comment 16454432 regischarlotte said:
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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?






That’s like getting airlifted from Ukraine to Gaza.


Correct, because Mac could be fixed eventually, while Daniel will never be fixed.
didn't the Rams eat salary and  
jcp56 : 4/2/2024 11:42 pm : link
maybe gave picks to get rid of Goff?
RE: RE: RE: Is there a bigger QB Hell...  
BleedBlue : 4/2/2024 11:52 pm : link
In comment 16454488 cpgiants said:
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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?






That’s like getting airlifted from Ukraine to Gaza.



Correct, because Mac could be fixed eventually, while Daniel will never be fixed.


What part of Mac jones game did you like? Did you watch pats games? The dude is fucking awful. I’d argue is a lesser talented player than Daniel and it’s not close. He sucks and forces the ball into triple coverage regularly
Mayo wants Daniels  
BigBlueCane : 4/3/2024 3:51 am : link
I sincerely doubt he could be convinced to take Jones under any circumstances.
I don't see how the Giants could do it  
Beer Man : 4/3/2024 4:23 am : link
To move Daniel Jones now, the Giants would get hit with a $69.315 million dead money charge against the 2024 salary cap, which would be very difficult for the team to absorb.
Draft talking heads  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/3/2024 4:54 am : link
running out of things to talk about. You guys seriously think this is a possibility ?!?! Why the hell would New England trade for an expensive shell shocked a qb fresh off an ACL tear and a second neck injury ?
NE just dumped a 'Jones'. Unlikely they would want another one  
GeofromNJ : 4/3/2024 5:06 am : link
who is yet to prove he's any better than the last.
Yes, I can see no  
section125 : 4/3/2024 6:04 am : link
way the Pats would want DJ. However those that think DJ is as bad as Mac Jones are just being thick. DJ is far better than Mac. At worst DJ is a good back up, Mac Jones isn't even that.

But again, no way NE takes Jones. I can see a mid season trade somewhere to a team that loses their starter and still is in the playoff hunt, but not now.
April Fools Day  
56goat : 4/3/2024 6:55 am : link
I thought that was over already.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Oh, you're SERIOUS?
Absolutely they would  
BillT : 4/3/2024 7:06 am : link
Because the Pats main goal this year, according to BBI, is to make the Giants a better team. And just trading us the 3rd so we could take the QB they need even worse than us isn’t enough. They’ll take Jones as well.
I would enjoy this so much, if only because of what it would do to  
Heisenberg : 4/3/2024 7:31 am : link
the many Pats fans in my life. It would be so fun.

That said, it seems ridiculous. I haven't looked but can that even work cap space wise?
RE: …  
mfjmfj : 4/3/2024 7:42 am : link
In comment 16454415 christian said:
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In all seriousness, if the Giants eat all but the minimum, Jones is a viable bridge QB for a team.

I think in a trade he holds the value of approximately a 4th round pick.


This. And only if you think he is healthy. If you want them to eat some of his actual 2024 cap hit, you would have to give up more picks not less to include him.
RE: If this happened  
cosmicj : 4/3/2024 7:43 am : link
In comment 16454451 blueblood said:
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Joe Schoen could sleep with Mara's dog and not get fired.


Lol but thanks for the disgusting image.
RE: Is there a bigger QB Hell...  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/3/2024 8:56 am : link
bw in dc said:
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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?

Long-suffering fans in Cleveland, Washington, and Chicago might have a few thoughts on this topic, along with the green-clad idiots who share MetLife Stadium.

Daniel Jones isn't QB hell. He's just a #6 pick who hasn't worked out, and who appears to have fallen apart after signing a big contract. He's basically what Carson Wentz became in Philly. How long did it take the Eagles to recover? A year or two?
From A NE perspective  
davew926 : 4/3/2024 8:56 am : link
They are a bad team drafting #3 why would they not just stick and pick a QB that they so desperately need? This is their oppurtunity to get their QB, it just does not make sense to me.
RE: RE: Is there a bigger QB Hell...  
SirLoinOfBeef : 4/3/2024 9:18 am : link
In comment 16454605 Big Blue Blogger said:
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bw in dc said:

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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?


Long-suffering fans in Cleveland, Washington, and Chicago might have a few thoughts on this topic, along with the green-clad idiots who share MetLife Stadium.

Daniel Jones isn't QB hell. He's just a #6 pick who hasn't worked out, and who appears to have fallen apart after signing a big contract. He's basically what Carson Wentz became in Philly. How long did it take the Eagles to recover? A year or two?


I think you just described QB hell in regards to Jones.

RE: RE: RE: Is there a bigger QB Hell...  
Darwinian : 4/3/2024 9:21 am : link
In comment 16454625 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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bw in dc said:

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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?


Long-suffering fans in Cleveland, Washington, and Chicago might have a few thoughts on this topic, along with the green-clad idiots who share MetLife Stadium.

Daniel Jones isn't QB hell. He's just a #6 pick who hasn't worked out, and who appears to have fallen apart after signing a big contract. He's basically what Carson Wentz became in Philly. How long did it take the Eagles to recover? A year or two?



I think you just described QB hell in regards to Jones.


Of course this is QB hell we have the worst QB room in the league, led by a lousy QB who played just well enough to earn an anvil of a contract. A contract he didn't deserve. We have noone to blame but ourselves.
Sportswriters  
HomerJones45 : 4/3/2024 9:38 am : link
you got to love them. Most of them couldn't run a corner candy store.
OK, if Hell is a short-term condition...  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/3/2024 9:40 am : link
...the Giants are in QB Hell, and the Patriots might take their place there by acquiring Daniel Jones (especially if significant cap relief were not built into the deal). I think of Hell as eternal damnation, a condition familiar to fans of teams like the Browns, Jets, and Commanders. And Hell is a function of more than one position. The last eight years of Eli Manning's career were no better than the first five of Daniel Jones's tenure, because the team stunk. One good draft pick or trade or free agent signing can convert a single position from a weakness to a strength. But the team as a whole might remain in the underworld.

Maybe Zach Wilson  
clatterbuck : 4/3/2024 10:39 am : link
is more likely for the Pats. No injury issues, no cap issues. Some team will take a flyer on him via trade or after he gets released. Baker Mayfield is the new role model for QB redemption. Who's next? Darnold, Wilson, Lance, Fields? And it would not shock me if DJ has a good second act after the Giants, assuming injury concerns don't end his career.
I just don’t see it. With that salary,  
Section331 : 4/3/2024 10:50 am : link
the Giants would have to add picks for another team to take Jones. Any “analyst” proposing Jones being part of the trade is just being lazy, and not considering the very real cap implications.
They just traded Daniel Jones  
ajr2456 : 4/3/2024 10:59 am : link
His name was Mac
RE: RE: Is there a bigger QB Hell...  
Mattman : 4/3/2024 11:06 am : link
In comment 16454379 AcidTest said:
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than going from Mac Jones to Daniel Jones?






HAHAHA. No, there is not.


Dave Brown to Danny Kanell?
If Schoen  
Jay on the Island : 4/3/2024 12:52 pm : link
is not only able to land the 3rd overall pick and Drake Maye but also move Daniel Jones in the deal then Schoen deserves exec of the year for that alone.
I think the Pats want Daniels  
JonC : 4/3/2024 12:55 pm : link
and don't see any way or reason they'd want Jones, unless NYG eats a gigantic portion of the $ owed to him (and the cap hit).
RE: I think the Pats want Daniels  
MojoEd : 4/3/2024 1:02 pm : link
In comment 16455011 JonC said:
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and don't see any way or reason they'd want Jones, unless NYG eats a gigantic portion of the $ owed to him (and the cap hit).

+I expect they would want Jones to waive the injury guarantee.
It's not Hell; it's Purgatory. We should be used to it.  
Klaatu : 4/3/2024 1:14 pm : link
It's not like we haven't been there before. However, over the years we've been able to get out of it, eventually. So, whether it happens this year or next year, or a couple of years from now, I figure the Giants will get out of once again, eventually. They always have.

Do I trust Joe Schoen to make it happen this year? I don't know. I've agreed with almost every move he's made, but the backfires have me questioning my own judgement as well as his. Not that mine was all that great to begin with, but still, being this wrong, this often, well, it's sobering, to say the least.

Whatever happens in the draft, I just hope the Giants come out a better team on Monday than they were on Thursday (at least on paper). If a QB is in the cards, great. If he's the goods, I don't care about the cost. I learned that lesson in 2004.

If not, a WR1 wouldn't hurt, nor would a DT to pair with Dex. or some reinforcements for the O-Line or Secondary. Having a few more pieces in place when we finally do emerge from QB Purgatory isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it does mean we have to be patient.

Honestly, I can't remember when I've been as conflicted heading into the draft as I am this year. And if I feel that way, I can only imagine how Joe Schoen feels. It's not my job that could be on the line. Well, whatever he does I'll try and put a good spin on it. It's my nature. I just hope he's done with the backfires.
Klaatu  
JonC : 4/3/2024 1:17 pm : link
Same here, confidence in The Schoen Reign has deeply waned.
Pats not trading down  
bc4life : 4/3/2024 2:08 pm : link
Daniel Jones - might not be able to play again. Does not seem like appetizing trade down bait.
Trade up?  
kickoff : 4/3/2024 2:14 pm : link
Guy's the writing is on the wall, the Giants are committed to DJ, at least for this season. They're not looking to trade up for a QB. They will stay a 6 for a WR or trade down if the right situation arises. Maybe a QB in round 2.
RE: Klaatu  
Klaatu : 4/3/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16455045 JonC said:
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Same here, confidence in The Schoen Reign has deeply waned.


What a difference a year makes.
RE: RE: Klaatu  
The_Boss : 4/3/2024 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16455171 Klaatu said:
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Same here, confidence in The Schoen Reign has deeply waned.



What a difference a year makes.


I hate to even post this because i want these guys in the FO be the long term solution here, but entering year 3, Schoen needs to be MUCH better than what he’s shown here in years 1 and 2. This roster is still one of the very worst in the league and figures to continue to be in 2024.
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