NFT: Rangers/Devils at MSG

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In comment 16455094 pjcas18 said:

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CHP you're saying Kreider - Mika - Vatrano > Kreider - Mika - Roslovic? and you're saying it because Kreider and Mika's chemistry seems off this year and for that reason you think the top 6 in '22 was better? I don't want to miss-state your opinion. Either way, I stand by my view that the top 6 is better this year and I believe that because Panarin has elevated his game so much it negates the Kreider/Mika decline, plus having Trocheck far outweighs Strome IMO. ESPECIALLY on the dots and defensively, but also offensively. Not even considering for a second that Lafreniere is on the verge of breaking out if he hasn't already. Vatrano was barely over .5 PPG in the playoffs (in 20 games) with 33% of those points coming on the PP which Roslovic won't play on, so I'll make a bet with you today that if the Rangers gets close to 20 playoff games or more, that Roslovic will have more 5v5 points than Vatrano did in '22. It doesn't matter (to me) if Mika and Kreider outperform '22 (when they were really good most games) because Panarin, Trocheck and Lafreniere are the top scoring line now. And that's a good thing not a bad one. The Rangers "secondary scoring" is a real thing.

To your 1st para, yes, I'd argue that '22's Kreider/Zib/Vatrano are (playing) better than '24 first.
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Yes, you are mis-stating my position: I think I was quite clear in saying that NYR '24 2nd line is (far) better than 2nd in 2022 but that '22 1st version is better, was playing better, than '24 1st. Taking the top 6s as a whole '22 vs '24 is an interesting question, but, yeah, for the top 6 maybe--question being does the elevation of play of the 2nd line outweigh the decline in play of the 1st?

I think the way you framed the comp of top 6 vs top 6 clouds the disparity of the play of the lines '22 vs '24.

As to Vatrano and his ppg in SCP '22, you never cease to amaze pulling these stats out of your arse LOL: are they real or are they Memorex? jk, I'm sure your data base resource is spot on.

ok, on your resource rich recall and access: I'm curious: Zib's line(s) '22 vs '24, what is the line's 5 on 5 production then and now? If not convenient, don't sweat it, but it would be interesting. Obviously, SCP don't factor in, yet.

but I would have to add up too many lines because Kreider and Mika have had quite a few RWs.

I will say this and this may seem a little contradictory but you need really good special teams to win a cup, but cups are won with 5v5 play. I went back and looked the last 20 years or something every team who won the SC led the playoffs in 5v5 scoring except 1 team. Maybe that's obvious to most people since it really comes down to the final two teams playing more games than everyone else (at least theoretically), so purely counting stats like 5v5 goals it makes sense they have more, but I think that relationship is not merely a counting stat, I think it's causal.

just my opinion though.

and did so when you posited that a couple of weeks ago and is part of the reason I worry about this year's 1st line, as good as CK and Zib have been on PP. (Sidenote: as hot as PP1 were first half of season, I commented, maybe Jan or Feb, that Laviolette needed to change and vary passing/shooting sequences because every team knew the last pass was going to Zib from the left point for a one-timer, where they were getting most scores. When PP1 began to stall, coaching staff did that, and began to take more shots from the point/from the high slot, but PP1 has not been able to duplicate its earlier season success.)

In comment 16455157 pjcas18 said:

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but I would have to add up too many lines because Kreider and Mika have had quite a few RWs. I will say this and this may seem a little contradictory but you need really good special teams to win a cup, but cups are won with 5v5 play. I went back and looked the last 20 years or something every team who won the SC led the playoffs in 5v5 scoring except 1 team. Maybe that's obvious to most people since it really comes down to the final two teams playing more games than everyone else (at least theoretically), so purely counting stats like 5v5 goals it makes sense they have more, but I think that relationship is not merely a counting stat, I think it's causal. just my opinion though.

Not to take away too much from this conversation, but I have been wondering why are Kreider and Mika joined at the hip, and they have gone through so many RW's. Is it more Mika or Kreider?

In comment 16455175 ColHowPepper said:

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and did so when you posited that a couple of weeks ago and is part of the reason I worry about this year's 1st line, as good as CK and Zib have been on PP. (Sidenote: as hot as PP1 were first half of season, I commented, maybe Jan or Feb, that Laviolette needed to change and vary passing/shooting sequences because every team knew the last pass was going to Zib from the left point for a one-timer, where they were getting most scores. When PP1 began to stall, coaching staff did that, and began to take more shots from the point/from the high slot, but PP1 has not been able to duplicate its earlier season success.)

I say this often with today's power plays (predictable). I went back and watched some Gretzky power plays with the Oilers and to my surprise I guess due to lack of recollection, it's mostly the same thing - moving the puck to get the defenders moving to set up the seam pass.

You probably know more about this than me (from the goalie perspective) the plan almost every team has is to get the goalie moving east west and set up the shot to the side he's moving to. If you do it well and make clean passes it's really hard to defend. If you're the goalie, how do you move fast enough without cheating? If you cheat you will get beat - it's why you need guys like Fox and Panarin on the PP. But when your only real ending is the Mika one-timer from the face off dot (because it was so successful) it becomes predictable.

I like when Fox or Panarin shoot more on the PP or get it down low for the bumper feed every now and then just to keep the PK honest. and I'd coach it that way.

Oh and I hate the sling shot/drop pass zone entry. you have the whole team basically stationary at the blue line.

I hope the kid is ready. McDermid is big and experienced.

Even the coaches going at it

Is everyone else besides Vesey on the Rangers that was involved has been ejected from the game for secondary fighting. So now they’re down Rempe, Goodrow as well as Trouba and Miller.

Isn’t so tough anymore huh? Loving seeing his teeth all bloody ahaha

This game is chippy for sure

old time hockey. lol.

Now they will have to double shift.

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Hahaha…Panarin and Laf continue to cook

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after Laffy & Bread combine for one of the worst turnovers of all time

In comment 16455557 BleedBlue said:

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Isn’t so tough anymore huh? Loving seeing his teeth all bloody ahaha This game is chippy for sure

Rempe isn’t the one that starts all this shit. The insecure little bitches on the other teams that decide they want to prove how tough they are by putting a rookie in his place are to blame. Shitstain teams like your team know they can’t win the game so may as well try to be fake tough guys and pick on the kid, lol. As a fan, you should be embarrassed. They suck at hockey but boy do they have a guy that can beat up a rookie! Embarrassing

embarrassing playoff game performances this period

Panarin is having an awful period. Looks like the cherry pucker soft soap dude of old.

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Give up a goal to that useless motherfucker and you deserve to lose

Lines start scoring

Disgraceful.

Worst period they’ve played maybe all fucking season.

Decent chance it costs the team the division (maybe they don’t care about that ) - just strikes me as something that was discussed pregame and they had to know they’d get tossed while the Devils didn’t lose much valuable in exchange

That was embarrassing hockey. Shesty is the only reason that they didn’t give up 5 goals in the period. They need to get their heads out of their asses.

In comment 16455608 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 16455557 BleedBlue said: Quote: Isn’t so tough anymore huh? Loving seeing his teeth all bloody ahaha This game is chippy for sure Rempe isn’t the one that starts all this shit. The insecure little bitches on the other teams that decide they want to prove how tough they are by putting a rookie in his place are to blame. Shitstain teams like your team know they can’t win the game so may as well try to be fake tough guys and pick on the kid, lol. As a fan, you should be embarrassed. They suck at hockey but boy do they have a guy that can beat up a rookie! Embarrassing

Oh stop. Now rempe is the victim?!? Guy throws a dirty elbow giving a guy a concussion and waves at bench after he pussies out on a fight now he a victim? It’s pretty simple, if you play the tough guy role, you answer the bell.

If it’s the “other” team starting it was does Lav put him on ice at start tonight? Answer that? Why is he on ice if he just trying to mind business keep his head down and play hockey.

Please, he came into league playing the tough guy role, now he has the rep and what comes with that is fights and challenges

So pathetic

In comment 16455629 Anakim said:

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So pathetic

Yea, to me this is rangers biggest issue. 5on5 they just don’t score enough. Teams stay outta box, rangers don’t have a ton of juice 5on5 from Mika and kreider

In comment 16455632 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 16455629 Anakim said: Quote: So pathetic Yea, to me this is rangers biggest issue. 5on5 they just don’t score enough. Teams stay outta box, rangers don’t have a ton of juice 5on5 from Mika and kreider

Rangers are basically a one line team. The Mika line is embarrassing

In comment 16455557 BleedBlue said:

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Isn’t so tough anymore huh? Loving seeing his teeth all bloody ahaha This game is chippy for sure

I’m a Ranger fan and I love Rempe’s spirit and willingness to fight, but he isn’t exactly knocking guys around. He takes his lumps.

In comment 16455635 bluesince56 said:

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In comment 16455632 BleedBlue said: Quote: In comment 16455629 Anakim said: Quote: So pathetic Yea, to me this is rangers biggest issue. 5on5 they just don’t score enough. Teams stay outta box, rangers don’t have a ton of juice 5on5 from Mika and kreider Rangers are basically a one line team. The Mika line is embarrassing

Ooof

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ties the game with a beauty

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In comment 16455556 Costy16 said:

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Is everyone else besides Vesey on the Rangers that was involved has been ejected from the game for secondary fighting. So now they’re down Rempe, Goodrow as well as Trouba and Miller.

Who gives a shit lol Rangers are going to the playoffs. Devils will continue to be irrelevant, like always.

Is ridiculous. Tough crowd. Mika just needs to get hot he’s had a quiet year for his standards. Save it for the playoffs.

Just like the pens will always be cunts.

In comment 16455652 Route 9 said:

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In comment 16455556 Costy16 said: Quote: Is everyone else besides Vesey on the Rangers that was involved has been ejected from the game for secondary fighting. So now they’re down Rempe, Goodrow as well as Trouba and Miller. Who gives a shit lol Rangers are going to the playoffs. Devils will continue to be irrelevant, like always.

We have 3 cups since rags last one LOL. I’ll take that irrelevant….

In comment 16455656 djm said:

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Just like the pens will always be cunts.

LOL. You’re still mad we sent you home last year? It’s okay…. You have a shot this year

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...nice comeback. Panarin snapped out of it that period.

Second period was insane aberration.

We won’t talk about that second period.

Just win baby

Under crazy circumstances for both teams.
A lot of tired players tonight.
Schneider has really stepped up his game in the second half of the season

Eff the Devils.

#LGR

In comment 16455660 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 16455656 djm said: Quote: Just like the pens will always be cunts. LOL. You’re still mad we sent you home last year? It’s okay…. You have a shot this year

Fuck the Devils lol ... You're talking about the playoffs and your garbages team ass team is going to be sitting home. Oh wait no one cares. What a weird fanbase. Maybe sub Philadelphia Eagles?

You had a point back then. It's not like the Devils have been word beaters since I was out of high school or anything. Not so much anymore
Enjoy the loss, babies!

In comment 16455656 djm said:

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Just like the pens will always be cunts.

Lol my man finally someone has the spirit