Let's get this party started early. Rangers didn't do themselves any favors against Pittsburgh the other night, I expect they'll come out and play a much better game tonight. Devils didn't fare too well against Pittsburgh last night either, blowing a 3-1 lead going into the 3rd period by giving up 5 unanswered to lose 6-3. Penguins aren't dead yet, but with that loss last night, I think the Devils' chances are shot.
Looks like Rempe will be back in the lineup and Cuylle will come out again. I figured Laviolette would keep Rempe out of this one to avoid the sideshow that is inevitable with MacDermid, or maybe he feels like they need a shot in the arm after a rough outing against Pittsburgh and a less than stellar performance in Arizona. Cuylle seems like an odd choice to come out. As others alluded to in the last game thread, Vesey has had a difficult go of it lately, maybe he should get a game or two in the press box.
and you're saying it because Kreider and Mika's chemistry seems off this year and for that reason you think the top 6 in '22 was better? I don't want to miss-state your opinion.
Either way, I stand by my view that the top 6 is better this year and I believe that because Panarin has elevated his game so much it negates the Kreider/Mika decline, plus having Trocheck far outweighs Strome IMO. ESPECIALLY on the dots and defensively, but also offensively. Not even considering for a second that Lafreniere is on the verge of breaking out if he hasn't already.
Vatrano was barely over .5 PPG in the playoffs (in 20 games) with 33% of those points coming on the PP which Roslovic won't play on, so I'll make a bet with you today that if the Rangers gets close to 20 playoff games or more, that Roslovic will have more 5v5 points than Vatrano did in '22.
It doesn't matter (to me) if Mika and Kreider outperform '22 (when they were really good most games) because Panarin, Trocheck and Lafreniere are the top scoring line now. And that's a good thing not a bad one. The Rangers "secondary scoring" is a real thing.
To your 1st para, yes, I'd argue that '22's Kreider/Zib/Vatrano are (playing) better than '24 first.
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Yes, you are mis-stating my position: I think I was quite clear in saying that NYR '24 2nd line is (far) better than 2nd in 2022 but that '22 1st version is better, was playing better, than '24 1st. Taking the top 6s as a whole '22 vs '24 is an interesting question, but, yeah, for the top 6 maybe--question being does the elevation of play of the 2nd line outweigh the decline in play of the 1st?
I think the way you framed the comp of top 6 vs top 6 clouds the disparity of the play of the lines '22 vs '24.
As to Vatrano and his ppg in SCP '22, you never cease to amaze pulling these stats out of your arse LOL: are they real or are they Memorex? jk, I'm sure your data base resource is spot on.
ok, on your resource rich recall and access: I'm curious: Zib's line(s) '22 vs '24, what is the line's 5 on 5 production then and now? If not convenient, don't sweat it, but it would be interesting. Obviously, SCP don't factor in, yet.
I will say this and this may seem a little contradictory but you need really good special teams to win a cup, but cups are won with 5v5 play. I went back and looked the last 20 years or something every team who won the SC led the playoffs in 5v5 scoring except 1 team. Maybe that's obvious to most people since it really comes down to the final two teams playing more games than everyone else (at least theoretically), so purely counting stats like 5v5 goals it makes sense they have more, but I think that relationship is not merely a counting stat, I think it's causal.
just my opinion though.
I will say this and this may seem a little contradictory but you need really good special teams to win a cup, but cups are won with 5v5 play. I went back and looked the last 20 years or something every team who won the SC led the playoffs in 5v5 scoring except 1 team. Maybe that's obvious to most people since it really comes down to the final two teams playing more games than everyone else (at least theoretically), so purely counting stats like 5v5 goals it makes sense they have more, but I think that relationship is not merely a counting stat, I think it's causal.
just my opinion though.
Not to take away too much from this conversation, but I have been wondering why are Kreider and Mika joined at the hip, and they have gone through so many RW's. Is it more Mika or Kreider?
I say this often with today's power plays (predictable). I went back and watched some Gretzky power plays with the Oilers and to my surprise I guess due to lack of recollection, it's mostly the same thing - moving the puck to get the defenders moving to set up the seam pass.
You probably know more about this than me (from the goalie perspective) the plan almost every team has is to get the goalie moving east west and set up the shot to the side he's moving to. If you do it well and make clean passes it's really hard to defend. If you're the goalie, how do you move fast enough without cheating? If you cheat you will get beat - it's why you need guys like Fox and Panarin on the PP. But when your only real ending is the Mika one-timer from the face off dot (because it was so successful) it becomes predictable.
I like when Fox or Panarin shoot more on the PP or get it down low for the bumper feed every now and then just to keep the PK honest. and I'd coach it that way.
Oh and I hate the sling shot/drop pass zone entry. you have the whole team basically stationary at the blue line.
This game is chippy for sure
This game is chippy for sure
Rempe isn’t the one that starts all this shit. The insecure little bitches on the other teams that decide they want to prove how tough they are by putting a rookie in his place are to blame. Shitstain teams like your team know they can’t win the game so may as well try to be fake tough guys and pick on the kid, lol. As a fan, you should be embarrassed. They suck at hockey but boy do they have a guy that can beat up a rookie! Embarrassing
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Isn’t so tough anymore huh? Loving seeing his teeth all bloody ahaha
This game is chippy for sure
Rempe isn’t the one that starts all this shit. The insecure little bitches on the other teams that decide they want to prove how tough they are by putting a rookie in his place are to blame. Shitstain teams like your team know they can’t win the game so may as well try to be fake tough guys and pick on the kid, lol. As a fan, you should be embarrassed. They suck at hockey but boy do they have a guy that can beat up a rookie! Embarrassing
Oh stop. Now rempe is the victim?!? Guy throws a dirty elbow giving a guy a concussion and waves at bench after he pussies out on a fight now he a victim? It’s pretty simple, if you play the tough guy role, you answer the bell.
If it’s the “other” team starting it was does Lav put him on ice at start tonight? Answer that? Why is he on ice if he just trying to mind business keep his head down and play hockey.
Please, he came into league playing the tough guy role, now he has the rep and what comes with that is fights and challenges
Yea, to me this is rangers biggest issue. 5on5 they just don’t score enough. Teams stay outta box, rangers don’t have a ton of juice 5on5 from Mika and kreider
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Yea, to me this is rangers biggest issue. 5on5 they just don’t score enough. Teams stay outta box, rangers don’t have a ton of juice 5on5 from Mika and kreider
Rangers are basically a one line team. The Mika line is embarrassing
This game is chippy for sure
I’m a Ranger fan and I love Rempe’s spirit and willingness to fight, but he isn’t exactly knocking guys around. He takes his lumps.
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So pathetic
Yea, to me this is rangers biggest issue. 5on5 they just don’t score enough. Teams stay outta box, rangers don’t have a ton of juice 5on5 from Mika and kreider
Rangers are basically a one line team. The Mika line is embarrassing
Ooof
Who gives a shit lol Rangers are going to the playoffs. Devils will continue to be irrelevant, like always.
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Is everyone else besides Vesey on the Rangers that was involved has been ejected from the game for secondary fighting. So now they’re down Rempe, Goodrow as well as Trouba and Miller.
Who gives a shit lol Rangers are going to the playoffs. Devils will continue to be irrelevant, like always.
We have 3 cups since rags last one LOL. I’ll take that irrelevant….
LOL. You’re still mad we sent you home last year? It’s okay…. You have a shot this year
Just win baby
A lot of tired players tonight.
Schneider has really stepped up his game in the second half of the season
#LGR
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Just like the pens will always be cunts.
LOL. You’re still mad we sent you home last year? It’s okay…. You have a shot this year
Fuck the Devils lol ... You're talking about the playoffs and your garbages team ass team is going to be sitting home. Oh wait no one cares. What a weird fanbase. Maybe sub Philadelphia Eagles?
Enjoy the loss, babies!
Lol my man finally someone has the spirit