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The Athletic: NFL Executives Unfiltered on 2024 Free Agency

M.S. : 4/3/2024 9:34 am
Mike Sando Apr 3, 2024

Extensive review for all 32 NFL teams. Here is write-up for the Giants:

APY added: $63.6M (10th) | APY lost: $48.9M (23rd) | APY differential: $14.7M (6th)

"Only the Falcons invested less than the Giants in re-signing their own players this offseason..." "The Giants... landed Brian Burns from Carolina for... one very large price ($28.2 million APY on an extension).

“I actually like the stuff that they did,” an exec said. “Saquon is a good back, but you are talking about a running back. (Devin) Singletary is going to produce as much as Saquon did for them at a fraction of the cost. They may get a better version of Brian Burns than Carolina was getting, because there is a human element to it. You don’t like where you are playing, you are not having success, it affects you.”

“The narrative there can’t be that their defense took a step back without Wink (Martindale), because if that happens, the media is going to say, ‘See, the head coach is unable to do this, that and the other,'” an exec said. “I see Brian Burns giving the new coordinator a chance at having a better defense than Wink had, which I think matters there, given where they are at and all that has happened.”
Thanks excellent contribution  
Thegratefulhead : 4/3/2024 9:52 am : link
The idea the defense cannot afford to take step back is real. Happy it appears management playschess.
this is a stretch  
djm : 4/3/2024 10:07 am : link
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Saquon is a good back, but you are talking about a running back. (Devin) Singletary is going to produce as much as Saquon did for them at a fraction of the cost.


"But you're talking about a RB" ---ok, Whatever that means. Then he says Singletary will do the same thing as Saquon did here. So all RBS are the same I guess. That's 100% false but ok.
djm  
knowledgetimmons : 4/3/2024 10:23 am : link
I think the exec was being careful to call SB overrated, without actually saying he's overrated.
RE: this is a stretch  
cokeduplt : 4/3/2024 10:27 am : link
In comment 16454697 djm said:
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Saquon is a good back, but you are talking about a running back. (Devin) Singletary is going to produce as much as Saquon did for them at a fraction of the cost.



"But you're talking about a RB" ---ok, Whatever that means. Then he says Singletary will do the same thing as Saquon did here. So all RBS are the same I guess. That's 100% false but ok.



It really isn’t false. Saquon didn’t have a great year last year.
MS  
Sean : 4/3/2024 10:28 am : link
Thanks for sharing. I know you have said you think the Giants are in contention for the number 1 pick next year, I don't think Schoen & Daboll see it that way. You don't make the Burns trade and sign him if you expect that. You don't invest like they did in the OL if you expect that. The Giants were aggressive in free agency. The number 1 pick would be a monumental failure from everyone involved.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/3/2024 10:31 am : link
Saquon is overrated. He’s good, but this belief he’s McCaffrey or something is laughable.
RE: …  
BlueHurricane : 4/3/2024 10:36 am : link
In comment 16454735 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Saquon is overrated. He’s good, but this belief he’s McCaffrey or something is laughable.


This^
Xtra gear he had  
Thegratefulhead : 4/3/2024 10:45 am : link
Is gone. Without the explosive element he is average. There will be no drop off, maybe small improvement, IMO. OL will benefit from DS hitting the hole on time. Eagles overpaid.
RE: MS  
M.S. : 4/3/2024 10:57 am : link
In comment 16454731 Sean said:
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Thanks for sharing. I know you have said you think the Giants are in contention for the number 1 pick next year, I don't think Schoen & Daboll see it that way. You don't make the Burns trade and sign him if you expect that. You don't invest like they did in the OL if you expect that. The Giants were aggressive in free agency. The number 1 pick would be a monumental failure from everyone involved.

My pleasure! I just wish it wasn't behind a paywall, otherwise I would have posted the entire piece.

Incidentally, regarding Brian Burns... clearly he in an upgrade from Azeez Ojulari and Oshane Ximines (who's no longer on the team.) And he makes for a nice complement of Kayvon Thibodeaux. But from the moment the deal was announced, I've had a deep conviction that Brian Burns in Joe Schoen's #1 insurance policy if he lets Thibs walk, which is a distinct possibility IMO.
MS -- please post the link  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/3/2024 11:00 am : link
if you are going to partially quote a copyrighted article you need to post the link for both credibility and so that readers can evaluate the source
RE: this is a stretch  
ThomasG : 4/3/2024 11:06 am : link
In comment 16454697 djm said:
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Saquon is a good back, but you are talking about a running back. (Devin) Singletary is going to produce as much as Saquon did for them at a fraction of the cost.



"But you're talking about a RB" ---ok, Whatever that means. Then he says Singletary will do the same thing as Saquon did here. So all RBS are the same I guess. That's 100% false but ok.


It will be a good litmus test to see how Singletary/RB Committee does vs a Saquon. Hopefully we will be satisfied with the overall production. I wager some of us will be.
Saquon production the last couple of years is overrated,  
sshin05 : 4/3/2024 11:13 am : link
but with the holes the Giants have paying an RB at that price is a luxury. You pay Barkley for the potential of having a big/monster year.
Saquan averaged 3.9 yds per carry last year  
WillieYoung : 4/3/2024 11:57 am : link
Singletary has never been that low.
RE: MS -- please post the link  
Jan in DC : 4/3/2024 12:04 pm : link
In comment 16454782 gidiefor said:
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if you are going to partially quote a copyrighted article you need to post the link for both credibility and so that readers can evaluate the source

OP article... - ( New Window )
I dont know why we fall into the trap  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/3/2024 12:06 pm : link
Of thinking nobody could do better than what Saquon did here last season.
again  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/3/2024 12:15 pm : link
Wink's defense was 27th in the NFL.

He's is so freaking overrated.
RE: again  
Eric on Li : 4/3/2024 12:26 pm : link
In comment 16454947 Eric from BBI said:
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Wink's defense was 27th in the NFL.

He's is so freaking overrated.


he got a lot out of a very talent deficient unit in 2022 but then regressed with a more talented unit in 2023. hard guy to evaluate. clearly not elite but also not incompetent. he did seem to have an eye for how to get more out of individual players (okereke, lawrence, banks and thibs were good picks, etc).

i could see bowen being an upgrade or a downgrade. his defense is a big swing factor on the year. with burns it should be better.
Eric on Li  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/3/2024 1:19 pm : link
I will only say they gave Wink what he wanted. They got him the players he asked for. He couldn't make it work.
Eric  
bc4life : 4/3/2024 2:10 pm : link
Yeah, cannot ignore the end result.
RE: Eric on Li  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/3/2024 3:39 pm : link
In comment 16455047 Eric from BBI said:
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I will only say they gave Wink what he wanted. They got him the players he asked for. He couldn't make it work.


Eh I disagree there. We went into last season with a rookie starting at more than 1 corner position, had just 2 pass rushers playing. When they hired Wink, it was to rebuild the defense. He got fired for what seems like valid reasons but it doesn't seem accurate to say they got everything for the defense and he just flopped.
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