I've been watching a ton of pundits lately to get a feel for who will go where in the upcoming draft, and to hear their takes on the respective teams, including the Giants.
The general consensus nationally is that the Giants' roster stinks. Some even saying it is one of the very worst in the NFL.
The Giants currently approach the draft with only six picks, one of the lowest totals in the entire league.
That is not good.
Are we looking at this the wrong way? Yes, the Giants need a QB. They need a #1 WR. But they need a lot of things in a draft that is going to be very strong in the 1-4 round range.
Perhaps the Giants should trade down. And then trade down again... and maybe again.
I hear ya!
I’m still recovering from last season. I had so much hope that Schoen/Daboll would continue with a competitive team and that was crushed in the first quarter of the first game!
At some point in time Joe Schoen will need at least one fantastic draft. Keeping my fingers crossed it’s this one!
Go Giants!
if schoen's regime cant draft and develop then they aren't going to last long no matter what else happens.
the good news (or bad news) is that biggest part of that is a lot of guys already here likely to play a lot of snaps/starts this year - thibs, neal, wandale, mcfadden, flott, belton, hyatt, jms, banks, bellinger, mccloud, pinnock, etc.
a little perspective to give some hope. ahead of 2007:
Tuck and Jacobs had 1 career start combined.
Diehl hadn't played 1 rep at left tackle.
Webster was considered a total bust.
Seubert hadnt started full time since 2002.
Kiwanuka was moving to LB. Reggie Torbor was his backup.
James Butler also only had 1 career start.
Ross, Smith, Boss, Bradshaw, Johnson all obviously rookies.
i think Hedgecock was an in-season waivers claim.
forgetting what anyone thought of eli entering that year, that list is half of what became super bowl starters entering the season as major unknowns.
none of us can easily predict what will or wont happen with the young players entering their 1st/2nd/3rd seasons next year, only that a lot of them have gotten a lot of reps already and that trend will continue especially with whoever they pick 6th/47th. that group is largely who this regime will sink or swim with.
I have to tell you Eric, I always - ALWAYS - find myself nodding my head every time I read any of your posts... lol
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then dont worry, nothing else really matters.
if schoen's regime cant draft and develop then they aren't going to last long no matter what else happens.
the good news (or bad news) is that biggest part of that is a lot of guys already here likely to play a lot of snaps/starts this year - thibs, neal, wandale, mcfadden, flott, belton, hyatt, jms, banks, bellinger, mccloud, pinnock, etc.
a little perspective to give some hope. ahead of 2007:
Tuck and Jacobs had 1 career start combined.
Diehl hadn't played 1 rep at left tackle.
Webster was considered a total bust.
Seubert hadnt started full time since 2002.
Kiwanuka was moving to LB. Reggie Torbor was his backup.
James Butler also only had 1 career start.
Ross, Smith, Boss, Bradshaw, Johnson all obviously rookies.
i think Hedgecock was an in-season waivers claim.
forgetting what anyone thought of eli entering that year, that list is half of what became super bowl starters entering the season as major unknowns.
none of us can easily predict what will or wont happen with the young players entering their 1st/2nd/3rd seasons next year, only that a lot of them have gotten a lot of reps already and that trend will continue especially with whoever they pick 6th/47th. that group is largely who this regime will sink or swim with.
I have to tell you Eric, I always - ALWAYS - find myself nodding my head every time I read any of your posts... lol
in my house i get eye rolls so ill take what i can get.
(and b4 any of the recent registration dupe fanclub chimes in, yes, im sure i get plenty of that here as well)
Okereke, Burns, McFadden, Banks, Schmidts, Hyatt, Robinson, Thibs, signed Dex. No one could've foreseen Neal's struggles.
Some players have not had a chance because of injuries, some of them may still pan out
We are paying him huge money and our window isn't open yet. He's more of a 'last piece' for a team that thinks they are going to contend.
Edge Rusher is the last piece? What's the first piece? What are the middle pieces?
Ron, please show us the exact order a championship roster is put together.
I'm not ready to write off Thibs, much like I'm not ready to write off Neal, because I think Drew Wilkins and Bobby Johnson were not only the worst position coaches on the staff last year, but they both may have been among the worst in the league at their respective positions.
2024 is a big year for both of them, as it should be in their third NFL season.
The dozen drafts since Newton look like this:
Bryce Young
Trey Lance
Justin Fields
Kyler Murray
Daniel Jones
Dwayne Haskins
Josh Rosen
Mitch Trubisky
Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Jameis Winston
Robert Griffin III
The hit rate in the AFC is pretty bad too, but Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, and Luck offer some justification for buying a lottery ticket when the opportunity arises.
Detroit: Trade, 2021
Philadelphia: 53rd pick, 2020
Green Bay: 26th pick, 2020
Tampa Bay: One-year UFA contract, 2023
Dallas: 135th Pick, 2016
L.A. Rams: Trade, 2021
Not suggesting the Giants shouldn't take a shot, or that they should stick with Daniel Jones. Just advocating realism with regard to the chances of striking gold in the draft, even at #6 or above.
The dozen drafts since Newton look like this:
Bryce Young
Trey Lance
Justin Fields
Kyler Murray
Daniel Jones
Dwayne Haskins
Josh Rosen
Mitch Trubisky
Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Jameis Winston
Robert Griffin III
The hit rate in the AFC is pretty bad too, but Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, and Luck offer some justification for buying a lottery ticket when the opportunity arises.
I'm asking this sincerely - what do you think is relevant about splitting by conference other than simply sensationalizing the post?
There is nothing that separates the two conferences besides alternating home jerseys in the Super Bowl.
Even Mahomes can be invoked by either side of the argument. Yes, KC traded up to get him; but he was the 10th pick, which if my math is right would be a trade down from #6.
taking a job as a head coach in the NFL comes with the understanding that you are very unlikely to be saved by Andrew Luck or Joe Burrow.
You need to be ready to find another way as the teams in the NFC have done, as Andy Reid did before Mahomes and once he got him/developed him, and as the Bills did moving up for QB3 Josh Allen.
1. franchise LT in Andrew Thomas
2. 2 good young WRs in Robinson and Hyatt
3. an all-pro type DT in Dexter Lawrence
4. 2 good edge players in Burns and Thibs
5. a should be #1 CB in Banks
6. a good MLB in Okereke
Giants need to keep getting more impact players, not trading down and decreasing the chances of doing so
But thats not nearly enough and you are being pretty generous with that list.
They have massive holes all over the roster with the biggest one at QB. Its beating a dead horse but its why the Jones contract is such a killer. They have the opposite of the good qb on a rookie contract cap advantage. They have a bad QB taking up 20% of the cap.
And, no reason to think Schmitz is not going to be at least a solid starter and the veteran additions and new OL coach will help.
They have some decent backs and wrs, but need at # 1 at both positions.
We'll see what happens with present DL. Riley may surprise.