at Cheaper Rate. The anonymous executive told The Athletic's Mike Sando that Singletary will "produce as much as Saquon did for them at a fraction of the cost."
"Another benefit for the Giants is Singletary has been more durable in the NFL than Barkley. He's only missed one game over the past three seasons. Barkley has missed at least three games in four of the past five seasons.
For a Giants team that's probably one or two years away from being a viable playoff contender in the NFC, investing in a cheaper running back who might be able to provide similar production to what they have been getting isn't the worst strategy."
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As a bonus, Buffalo and Houston fans didn't have to pretend Singletary was a great player.
As a bonus, Buffalo and Houston fans didn't have to pretend Singletary was a great player.
Is your argument that Singletary is just as good? Is that REALLY what you are saying? Barkley has the worst offensive line in the league for MOST of his career. He was contacted behind the line of scrimmage 4th worst in the league. He's going to light it up in Philly
As a bonus, Buffalo and Houston fans didn't have to pretend Singletary was a great player.
I think it is actually a bad move for the Eagles.
Why smack his fans? you were right about Barkley and he is gone. I think we get a replacement for Jones too. If you would leave out the extra digs, regardless of your take, you would be respected the same way Jon is.
You watch enough college, that I am more interested in the real discussions you have about these players than people that sell their opinions. I don't question any data you share, I vetted it enough to find it unnecessary. I trust your shit. I don't understand your desire for discord.
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This is Barkley v. Singletary, 2019-2023
As a bonus, Buffalo and Houston fans didn't have to pretend Singletary was a great player.
I agree with you +1000 The last line, so unnecessary. He has fans, on this site, he is with our rival.
I think it is actually a bad move for the Eagles.
Why smack his fans? you were right about Barkley and he is gone. I think we get a replacement for Jones too. If you would leave out the extra digs, regardless of your take, you would be respected the same way Jon is.
You watch enough college, that I am more interested in the real discussions you have about these players than people that sell their opinions. I don't question any data you share, I vetted it enough to find it unnecessary. I trust your shit. I don't understand your desire for discord.
Barkley's fans, as much as fans can be, were part of the problem.
Ownership listens to the fans. They shouldn't, but they do. If the fans had collectively been smarter and less delusional these past few years it might have helped.
Singletary got smashed in the grill behind the LOS with Buffalo. I know how many times that happened to Saquon Barkley with the Giants: Countless.
It’s a shame Saquon is not arriving in Philly at the height of its O-Line prowess. But the odds are still very high that he’ll have actual holes to run through.
And then watch out.
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This is Barkley v. Singletary, 2019-2023
As a bonus, Buffalo and Houston fans didn't have to pretend Singletary was a great player.
Is your argument that Singletary is just as good? Is that REALLY what you are saying? Barkley has the worst offensive line in the league for MOST of his career. He was contacted behind the line of scrimmage 4th worst in the league. He's going to light it up in Philly
Yes exactly. There is way too much context to both situations, especially Barkley's. Just look at the QB's and offenses. Allen/Stroud vs Jones makes a huge difference. Offensive line of the Giants has been horrendous. Also considering he had to nurse injuries and play how many games in basically tank mode? Philly will protect him and highlight his skillset drastically better. He'll be a monster if he's healthy. Singletary is basically a stop-gap for a rebuilding team without a long-term QB. Philly is going for it all with a loaded offense. Don't expect this offense to tread the same or get better without significant improvements elsewhere.
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This is Barkley v. Singletary, 2019-2023
As a bonus, Buffalo and Houston fans didn't have to pretend Singletary was a great player.
Is your argument that Singletary is just as good? Is that REALLY what you are saying? Barkley has the worst offensive line in the league for MOST of his career. He was contacted behind the line of scrimmage 4th worst in the league. He's going to light it up in Philly
That’s not what he said, he said Singletary was just as productive, which is true, at a fraction of SB’s salary. He won’t have as many explosive plays as SB, but he won’t have as many TFL’s either.
Tackles for loss? I guess you believe Saquon’s dancing around was the primary reason for his TFLs.
But that would be wrong. Very wrong.
He ran behind an O-Line that had epic-fail written all over it. Historic epic-fail.
For me it will come down to who can stay on the field.
SB - 6
Won't be quite the same here.
Singletary’s gotten better with experience. Barkley never has and never will repeat his amazing rookie year. Injuries suck, but that’s why you don’t overdraft/overpay RBs
Is Singletary as good as Saquon today? No, but it’s closer than many want to admit
Is Singletary on the cheap as part of a stable of RBs better than putting all your eggs in the Saquon basket? Yes
I'm not going to miss him.
Won't be quite the same here.
Why don't we put a pin in this until we know who the QB is?
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This is Barkley v. Singletary, 2019-2023
As a bonus, Buffalo and Houston fans didn't have to pretend Singletary was a great player.
Is your argument that Singletary is just as good? Is that REALLY what you are saying? Barkley has the worst offensive line in the league for MOST of his career. He was contacted behind the line of scrimmage 4th worst in the league. He's going to light it up in Philly
Dead-on!
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This is Barkley v. Singletary, 2019-2023
As a bonus, Buffalo and Houston fans didn't have to pretend Singletary was a great player.
Is your argument that Singletary is just as good? Is that REALLY what you are saying? Barkley has the worst offensive line in the league for MOST of his career. He was contacted behind the line of scrimmage 4th worst in the league. He's going to light it up in Philly
How he does in Philly has nothing to do with how he would for the Giants. Your post seems to support that too.
If you are right, Schoen should have traded Saquon last year, gotten whatever value he could and kept him out of the division.
Clear mistake, right?
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he played in. No DC gave a shit about Singletary; they were focused on his qb's who were the real threat.
Won't be quite the same here.
Why don't we put a pin in this until we know who the QB is?
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This is Barkley v. Singletary, 2019-2023
As a bonus, Buffalo and Houston fans didn't have to pretend Singletary was a great player.
Is your argument that Singletary is just as good? Is that REALLY what you are saying? Barkley has the worst offensive line in the league for MOST of his career. He was contacted behind the line of scrimmage 4th worst in the league. He's going to light it up in Philly
We’ll see about that. And even if he does, every RB lights it up in PHI. Miles Sanders was almost unstoppable there. They’ll be booing him by the end of the year if he’s still playing.
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This is Barkley v. Singletary, 2019-2023
As a bonus, Buffalo and Houston fans didn't have to pretend Singletary was a great player.
I agree with you +1000 The last line, so unnecessary. He has fans, on this site, he is with our rival.
I think it is actually a bad move for the Eagles.
Why smack his fans? you were right about Barkley and he is gone. I think we get a replacement for Jones too. If you would leave out the extra digs, regardless of your take, you would be respected the same way Jon is.
You watch enough college, that I am more interested in the real discussions you have about these players than people that sell their opinions. I don't question any data you share, I vetted it enough to find it unnecessary. I trust your shit. I don't understand your desire for discord.
Barkley's fans, as much as fans can be, were part of the problem.
Ownership listens to the fans. They shouldn't, but they do. If the fans had collectively been smarter and less delusional these past few years it might have helped.
If this is true, then why do we still have Jones on the roster? Most fans were done with him before the 22 season.
Won't be quite the same here.
The nice thing about saying stuff like "defensive coordinators had to stay up at night worrying about barkley" is that you can just say it and not even worry about having to present any proof of it, even when the mediocre results are what they are on paper for years, excepting 2018.
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he played in. No DC gave a shit about Singletary; they were focused on his qb's who were the real threat.
Won't be quite the same here.
The nice thing about saying stuff like "defensive coordinators had to stay up at night worrying about barkley" is that you can just say it and not even worry about having to present any proof of it, even when the mediocre results are what they are on paper for years, excepting 2018.
Kind of similar to offensive coordinators not having to stay up at night worrying about Kayvon Thibodeaux.
I'm not going to pretend that we didn't just endure six years of very adamant and very vocal gaslighting about what a great player Barkley was.
I'm not going to pretend that we didn't just endure six years of very adamant and very vocal gaslighting about what a great player Barkley was.
It is odd. Barkley basically had two good seasons here. One one was phenomenal (his rookie season) and another was very good (2022). The other four seasons weren't anything of note (or worse).
But some fans have these imaginary memories of consistent top-notch performance.
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I said the fans were part of the problem, not completely at fault.
I'm not going to pretend that we didn't just endure six years of very adamant and very vocal gaslighting about what a great player Barkley was.
It is odd. Barkley basically had two good seasons here. One one was phenomenal (his rookie season) and another was very good (2022). The other four seasons weren't anything of note (or worse).
But some fans have these imaginary memories of consistent top-notch performance.
2019 was pretty good. 1441 yards rushing and receiving in 13 games with a 4.6 ypc & 8tds running behind that line on that team deserves some credit.
I'm not going to pretend that we didn't just endure six years of very adamant and very vocal gaslighting about what a great player Barkley was.
Fine. You think the fans have enough stake that they should shoulder a certain amount of blame for unintentionally deceiving the Giants to make the wrong choices when constructing a roster. Would that be fair?
Gaslighting is intentional. I don’t think most Barkley fans were gaslighting anyone about Barkley. But assume you are speaking mostly about fans on this forum. I am still not sure why Daniel Jones is still on the roster if the fans have enough influence to mold the roster when I would safely bet that most fans wanted Jones gone after 2021. Any idea why the fans were not influential enough to force that transaction?
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I said the fans were part of the problem, not completely at fault.
I'm not going to pretend that we didn't just endure six years of very adamant and very vocal gaslighting about what a great player Barkley was.
It is odd. Barkley basically had two good seasons here. One one was phenomenal (his rookie season) and another was very good (2022). The other four seasons weren't anything of note (or worse).
But some fans have these imaginary memories of consistent top-notch performance.
Most of the Barkley fans (me included) that I recall were not attempting to paint a different picture than this:
Barkley was a dynamic player that suffered a severe injury and was unfairly expected to put more wins on the board. I have said since early in the 2022 season that Barkley was not the same player as the 18 & 19 Barkley. I really like Barkley from what I have seen as a person and used to love him as a player. The Giants moving on was probably for the best. I admit being wrong about drafting Barkley in 18. It put the Giants behind in roster construction and put Barkley in a crappy situation as a player.
That does nothing to change the reality that despite Barkley being a disaster in Giants history, we endured 6 years of gaslighting from fans that wanted to believe otherwise. If fans like grateful up above take offense to that reality being pointed out, what can you do? It is what it is.
Anyway, I did see some shiftiness in a “few” of Gray’s runs. Maybe he will have a break out year….
That does nothing to change the reality that despite Barkley being a disaster in Giants history, we endured 6 years of gaslighting from fans that wanted to believe otherwise. If fans like grateful up above take offense to that reality being pointed out, what can you do? It is what it is.
I think BBI is a good temperature of how most fans feel. I think what you are remembering were a minority of fans with that view of Jones.
Why is your opinion more of a reality than mine or anyone else?
I think your opinion that fans should shoulder some sort of blame for the state of the franchise is preposterous. Now, that does not mean that just because I think your view is preposterous means that my view is reality. You could be right, I just think it is likely that you are not.
You take a certain amount of crap here that is not fair, but to me, you also bring a certain amount on yourself. Wanting to put any blame on fans for the Giants sucking fits that category in my view.
The thing is the condition of the Giants these last several years was not a matter of opinion; it was objectively terrible. Those of us (not just me...there were many) that pointed that out (including Barkley's role in that) took a ton of abuse for it. That's fine - but don't expect me to be above a sarcastic comment about it here and there. Like everyone else here, I'm not.
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I said the fans were part of the problem, not completely at fault.
I'm not going to pretend that we didn't just endure six years of very adamant and very vocal gaslighting about what a great player Barkley was.
It is odd. Barkley basically had two good seasons here. One one was phenomenal (his rookie season) and another was very good (2022). The other four seasons weren't anything of note (or worse).
But some fans have these imaginary memories of consistent top-notch performance.
It’s probably just a handful of peo
That does nothing to change the reality that despite Barkley being a disaster in Giants history, we endured 6 years of gaslighting from fans that wanted to believe otherwise. If fans like grateful up above take offense to that reality being pointed out, what can you do? It is what it is.
It is also possible to say that Singletary is a ham and egg rb who was never able to seize the starting role even playing with top qb's his entire career. He'll get his 10 carries, 40 yards and 2 catches a game while being studiously ignored in DC's game plans.
The thing is the condition of the Giants these last several years was not a matter of opinion; it was objectively terrible. Those of us (not just me...there were many) that pointed that out (including Barkley's role in that) took a ton of abuse for it. That's fine - but don't expect me to be above a sarcastic comment about it here and there. Like everyone else here, I'm not.
Very well. I was not intending to suggest how you should act Terps. If my lack of communication skills communicated that, then I apologize. I also realize that I misread your post. I thought one of your comments was assigning your opinion as reality and another's opinion as 'gaslighting'. I see now that I did not read it correctly. My apologies.
Not all posters gave you and others grief for their opinions. There are some fans on this forum that would rather not communicate snarky comments and insults.
To be clear, for people I have a comfort level with, I enjoy being sarcastic/snarky with them because they know and I know it is not intended to be negative.
Barkley being drafted overall #2 was the fault of ownership listening to a General Manager that was an idiot with respect to the state of team and how to create a winning roster.
Barkley being tagged last offseason and then not traded during last season was ownership simply doing what it has generally done over the years, keep players they like around longer versus the more prudent business/football decision that suggests you move on.
Mara is simply lost because of the weight of the losing seasons and volume of poor football players that have come through here in the last decade. He relies on emotions and faint wishes to drive his decisions versus sound judgment. And to the extent he and his family members taint others (like a Joe Schoen) with those emotion & wishes versus letting them drive every roster decision with their own judgment then they will never become consistent winners again. If they do, then it will simply be due to dumb luck.