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Ourlads Live Mock Draft

Sy'56 : 4/3/2024 8:35 pm
First we did one of these - bear with us.

We had three of the Ourlads scouts making the picks - teams were separated by who we wrote up for the Draft Guide.

Offered some commentary on each pick.

Ourlads Mock Draft
This was awesome to watch live  
uncledave : 4/3/2024 8:44 pm : link
Definitely worth checking out
thanks for sharing  
DavidinBMNY : 4/3/2024 8:48 pm : link
I will check it out!
Great job Sy  
Chris684 : 4/3/2024 8:55 pm : link
Even though your pick surprises me since I know you’ve been pretty high on McCarthy throughout this process.

It seems to me you think maybe Schoen and Daboll have too much pride to move off Jones so soon?

Curious as to how you ultimately arrived at the decision.
 
ryanmkeane : 4/3/2024 8:58 pm : link
Awesome stuff Sy. I hope your pick is how it plays out for the Giants.
SY  
Mbavaro : 4/3/2024 9:05 pm : link
Can you dig a bit deeper into to why you made that pick?
Thanks Sy  
GFAN52 : 4/3/2024 9:09 pm : link
Definitely a surprise pick.
SY…my issue with your logic  
Jarvis : 4/3/2024 9:10 pm : link
You say in the video “gun to your head McCarthy over Maye” yet you have the Giants passing on McCarthy with the hope of picking high again next year? I highly doubt Daboll will be around if they are picking top 5 next year. If Mccarhty is so highly rated, why would you not just pick the receiver next year as there have been way more of them in the draft lately.
Thanks, Sy  
Sean : 4/3/2024 9:11 pm : link
Hate the pick and logic, but I appreciate all the work you do for BBI.
My issue with the logic  
Sean : 4/3/2024 9:23 pm : link
When it's assumed the Giants are picking high in the draft again next year, it's just wasting time imo. I don't think QB is a position which should ever be punted.

If NYG takes a WR at 6, their thinking should be they are a playoff team with Jones. Otherwise it's a complete waste of time and Daboll will probably be fired after the year.
Yikes JJM sitting there and we don't take him.  
Blue21 : 4/3/2024 9:29 pm : link
Kinda what I m expecting because I want JJM so nothing would surprise me.
RE: My issue with the logic  
Chris684 : 4/3/2024 9:33 pm : link
In comment 16455657 Sean said:
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When it's assumed the Giants are picking high in the draft again next year, it's just wasting time imo. I don't think QB is a position which should ever be punted.

If NYG takes a WR at 6, their thinking should be they are a playoff team with Jones. Otherwise it's a complete waste of time and Daboll will probably be fired after the year.


This WR class is apparently both top heavy and deep. I’m not an expert but while MHjr, Nabers and Odunze seem like they’ll be awesome, there are also a bunch of guys in the 2nd we can pursue after grabbing the QB.
Sy  
robbieballs2003 : 4/3/2024 9:37 pm : link
I see that your 15th ranked player is a 73 and your 16th is a 74. Are one of those a typo? Thanks.
RE: Sy  
robbieballs2003 : 4/3/2024 9:38 pm : link
In comment 16455671 robbieballs2003 said:
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I see that your 15th ranked player is a 73 and your 16th is a 74. Are one of those a typo? Thanks.


Sorry, wrong thread.
good stuff as always sy  
Eric on Li : 4/3/2024 9:39 pm : link
seeing how the draft broke i think you were right on with the 2 choices.

the interesting question that you brought up was which prospect would be harder to get next year if things dont work out again? and i dont have a good answer to that because i think it's possible nobody is as good as either of them in next year's draft.

i love odunze and i think id be most excited about him getting picked by nyg, but i think my head says they'd go jjm just bc it is generally easier to find WRs.
I suspect the reason was the WRs are rated higher  
George from PA : 4/3/2024 9:43 pm : link
Than the QBs at 6.
Few things  
Sy'56 : 4/3/2024 9:49 pm : link
My QB / WR grades will be out soon.

Odunze is an elite grade - McCarthy is a good grade. I simply have a hard time passing on elite especially at a high-value position and especially at a high value position of big need.

Passing on McCarthy and punting on QB is a big risk. I'm still a bit undecided to be honest. I go back and forth.

But I do feel, as much as I like McCarthy, we aren't talking about a guy that will never come across again. He isn't that caliber.

I also think the value of a rookie contract QB in terms of roster building is wiped away in years 1 and 2 because of the Jones situation.
Fuaga and Guyton...  
bw in dc : 4/3/2024 9:54 pm : link
at the bottom of round one. That is serious value.

Tyler Nubin in the first as a S to GB makes no sense to me. Biggest surprise of that mock...

Good effort overall, btw, by that trio.
RE: Thanks Sy  
ryanmkeane : 4/3/2024 9:54 pm : link
In comment 16455642 GFAN52 said:
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Definitely a surprise pick.

Odunze has been mocked to the Giants, he is #3 on a Jeremiah and Miller’s big board. Jeremiah has said he’s his favorite player in the draft. Not exactly a surprise.
RE: Few things  
Sean : 4/3/2024 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16455682 Sy'56 said:
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My QB / WR grades will be out soon.

Odunze is an elite grade - McCarthy is a good grade. I simply have a hard time passing on elite especially at a high-value position and especially at a high value position of big need.

Passing on McCarthy and punting on QB is a big risk. I'm still a bit undecided to be honest. I go back and forth.

But I do feel, as much as I like McCarthy, we aren't talking about a guy that will never come across again. He isn't that caliber.

I also think the value of a rookie contract QB in terms of roster building is wiped away in years 1 and 2 because of the Jones situation.

This is all fair. But, if an elite WR is picked at 6 coupled with the Burns trade & OL signings - it can't just be assumed that the Giants will be picking high again next year. If they take that approach, they better win. Schoen just doesn't get a pass to waste 2024.
I thoroughly enjoyed that  
TommytheElephant : 4/3/2024 9:55 pm : link
!!!
RE: Few things  
crooza172 : 4/3/2024 9:59 pm : link
In comment 16455682 Sy'56 said:
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My QB / WR grades will be out soon.

Odunze is an elite grade - McCarthy is a good grade. I simply have a hard time passing on elite especially at a high-value position and especially at a high value position of big need.

Passing on McCarthy and punting on QB is a big risk. I'm still a bit undecided to be honest. I go back and forth.

But I do feel, as much as I like McCarthy, we aren't talking about a guy that will never come across again. He isn't that caliber.

I also think the value of a rookie contract QB in terms of roster building is wiped away in years 1 and 2 because of the Jones situation.



Think this would have been an option when we had two second rounders. Getting burns took this off the table. There is no way we go into the season with Lock and Jones. It has to be QB and punt WR.
RE: RE: Few things  
bLiTz 2k : 4/3/2024 10:00 pm : link
In comment 16455688 Sean said:
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In comment 16455682 Sy'56 said:


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My QB / WR grades will be out soon.

Odunze is an elite grade - McCarthy is a good grade. I simply have a hard time passing on elite especially at a high-value position and especially at a high value position of big need.

Passing on McCarthy and punting on QB is a big risk. I'm still a bit undecided to be honest. I go back and forth.

But I do feel, as much as I like McCarthy, we aren't talking about a guy that will never come across again. He isn't that caliber.

I also think the value of a rookie contract QB in terms of roster building is wiped away in years 1 and 2 because of the Jones situation.


This is all fair. But, if an elite WR is picked at 6 coupled with the Burns trade & OL signings - it can't just be assumed that the Giants will be picking high again next year. If they take that approach, they better win. Schoen just doesn't get a pass to waste 2024.


A rookie QB honestly wouldn't give them a pass either...
RE: Few things  
bw in dc : 4/3/2024 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16455682 Sy'56 said:
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But I do feel, as much as I like McCarthy, we aren't talking about a guy that will never come across again. He isn't that caliber.



Despite have some plus tools, McCarthy isn't a dynamic player.

I say he's a better version of Purdy in that he's going to need a better team around him versus being the type of QB who is a force multiplier.
McCarthy comps  
Sy'56 : 4/3/2024 10:12 pm : link
Here are a few:

Alex Smith
Jared Goff
Jimmy Garoppolo
Tony Romo
 
ryanmkeane : 4/3/2024 10:18 pm : link
IMO Odunze is absolutely worth the 6th pick. He’s an elite WR prospect.

McCarthy seems like he could be good but not sure he has any qualities that I would want to pound the table in the top 6 of a draft.

Just because he’s not Daniel Jones doesn’t mean he’s worth that pick.
Odunze  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/3/2024 10:26 pm : link
is one of my favorite players in this draft so I would not be upset.

However, if you don't have a QB, you're pretty much dead in the water. And the Giants don't have a QB.

It all depends on what Schoen and Daboll really think of the other QBs in this draft.
I have a feeling the Giants like a qb that  
kelly : 4/3/2024 10:36 pm : link
No one is really talking much about. Who that is I am not sure. A lower round pick.

I think them interviewing the top qb's may be a smoke screen.
RE: Odunze  
armstead98 : 4/3/2024 11:08 pm : link
In comment 16455708 Eric from BBI said:
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is one of my favorite players in this draft so I would not be upset.

However, if you don't have a QB, you're pretty much dead in the water. And the Giants don't have a QB.

It all depends on what Schoen and Daboll really think of the other QBs in this draft.


Not having a QB doesn’t mean you have to take Alex Smith (Sy comp) at 6.
AGREE  
Thegratefulhead : 4/3/2024 11:09 pm : link
I would take odunze there and trade up for Penix.
RE: I have a feeling the Giants like a qb that  
gameday555 : 4/3/2024 11:15 pm : link
In comment 16455711 kelly said:
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No one is really talking much about. Who that is I am not sure. A lower round pick.

I think them interviewing the top qb's may be a smoke screen.


Too much time, too many resources devoted to the top QBs to be a smokescreen, if you ask me. This regime has not hidden their intentions and "blues" in the draft, if you look at their visit history and where they send scouts/coaches.
RE: AGREE  
Toth029 : 4/3/2024 11:17 pm : link
In comment 16455716 Thegratefulhead said:
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I would take odunze there and trade up for Penix.


FWIW, Sy didn't rate Penix in his top 5 QB prospect video. I'd be curious about his views on Penix particularly. If Nix drops, he could be the option instead.
RE: RE: Odunze  
Darwinian : 4/3/2024 11:17 pm : link
In comment 16455715 armstead98 said:
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In comment 16455708 Eric from BBI said:


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is one of my favorite players in this draft so I would not be upset.

However, if you don't have a QB, you're pretty much dead in the water. And the Giants don't have a QB.

It all depends on what Schoen and Daboll really think of the other QBs in this draft.



Not having a QB doesn’t mean you have to take Alex Smith (Sy comp) at 6.


Alex Smith is more valuable than an elite WR. A great QB is worth arpund 9 points per game. A good one about 4 or 5. An elite WR is worth 1.5 points per game tops.
RE: RE: Odunze  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/3/2024 11:20 pm : link
In comment 16455715 armstead98 said:
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In comment 16455708 Eric from BBI said:


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is one of my favorite players in this draft so I would not be upset.

However, if you don't have a QB, you're pretty much dead in the water. And the Giants don't have a QB.

It all depends on what Schoen and Daboll really think of the other QBs in this draft.



Not having a QB doesn’t mean you have to take Alex Smith (Sy comp) at 6.


I get it. I do.

But the Giants don't have a QB.

Look at the list of QBs who have won Super Bowls the past 20 years.
RE: RE: RE: Odunze  
armstead98 : 4/3/2024 11:35 pm : link
In comment 16455726 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16455715 armstead98 said:


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In comment 16455708 Eric from BBI said:


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is one of my favorite players in this draft so I would not be upset.

However, if you don't have a QB, you're pretty much dead in the water. And the Giants don't have a QB.

It all depends on what Schoen and Daboll really think of the other QBs in this draft.



Not having a QB doesn’t mean you have to take Alex Smith (Sy comp) at 6.



I get it. I do.

But the Giants don't have a QB.

Look at the list of QBs who have won Super Bowls the past 20 years.


For the most part they’re hall of famers and not Alex smith? So the point is you just swing away until you find one?

I’m onboard with that but at the end of the day if you think the guy has no shot (most don’t) I’m good passing. Otherwise we’re signing ourselves up to another 3-4 years of pergatory
armstead98  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/3/2024 11:38 pm : link
Exactly.

You have to keep swinging until you find one.

Because the Scott Brunners, Dave Browns, Kent Grahams, Danny Kanells, Daniel Jones aren't going to get you there.
at the end of the day  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/3/2024 11:41 pm : link
no one knows who will be the best QB who will be in this draft. The 6th QB taken could be the best.
sy  
BleedBlue : 4/4/2024 12:23 am : link
I enjoyed that but disagree like most with the pick.

its a VERY good WR class at the top and several guys didnt even go round 1.

take JJM there and watch board closely and maybe move up in second for a WR you like.

im not passing on JJM.

Also, i have watched a bunch of odunze, but little concerned in his ability to separate as well as nabers. Should i not worry about that with odunze?

As mentioned, I enjoyed it but i am 100% going JJM in that scenario
For those that keep saying  
section125 : 4/4/2024 6:54 am : link
Daboll will be fired unless they take a QB, you'd better adjust your jock straps. If that is the choice of Schoen and the FO staff, they are not hanging a subpar(W-L record) season on Daboll - unless he has a JJ meltdown. That will be expected. The FO staff chose to go WR(or pick your position other than QB) looking toward the future and what their plan is. As long as the players they draft develop, Daboll is going nowhere.
Daboll has to play the players he is given and while I am sure he has significant input, ultimately the roster is on Schoen and Brown.
RE: For those that keep saying  
Sean : 4/4/2024 7:02 am : link
In comment 16455763 section125 said:
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Daboll will be fired unless they take a QB, you'd better adjust your jock straps. If that is the choice of Schoen and the FO staff, they are not hanging a subpar(W-L record) season on Daboll - unless he has a JJ meltdown. That will be expected. The FO staff chose to go WR(or pick your position other than QB) looking toward the future and what their plan is. As long as the players they draft develop, Daboll is going nowhere.
Daboll has to play the players he is given and while I am sure he has significant input, ultimately the roster is on Schoen and Brown.

If they take a WR at 6, they're doubling down on Jones who's making $40M. They traded for Burns and paid him significant money. They've invested in the OL.

That's not a team that is rebuilding. They don't get that excuse. I'd expect the playoffs and every fan should. Otherwise why are they trading draft capital and being major players in FA? Doesn't add up.

So, when I hear "they'll probably be picking high again in 2015", they're actions don't line up with that.
I know the team needs a QB  
Beer Man : 4/4/2024 7:03 am : link
But one thing that DG told us was that you never reach for a QB because if you miss you are in QB hell. Then DG went on to prove his point when he reached for D. Jones with a #6 pick. I worry that McCarthy would also be a reach at 6 because,as Sy pointed out, McCarthy isn't in an elite class and QBs with similar abilities will be available in the 2025 draft.

Because of that I fear if the Giants drafts him they will find themselves in a perpetual QB hell like we have seen with Chicago over a number of years.
*2025  
Sean : 4/4/2024 7:03 am : link
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RE: RE: For those that keep saying  
section125 : 4/4/2024 7:28 am : link
In comment 16455768 Sean said:
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In comment 16455763 section125 said:


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Daboll will be fired unless they take a QB, you'd better adjust your jock straps. If that is the choice of Schoen and the FO staff, they are not hanging a subpar(W-L record) season on Daboll - unless he has a JJ meltdown. That will be expected. The FO staff chose to go WR(or pick your position other than QB) looking toward the future and what their plan is. As long as the players they draft develop, Daboll is going nowhere.
Daboll has to play the players he is given and while I am sure he has significant input, ultimately the roster is on Schoen and Brown.


If they take a WR at 6, they're doubling down on Jones who's making $40M. They traded for Burns and paid him significant money. They've invested in the OL.

That's not a team that is rebuilding. They don't get that excuse. I'd expect the playoffs and every fan should. Otherwise why are they trading draft capital and being major players in FA? Doesn't add up.

So, when I hear "they'll probably be picking high again in 2015", they're actions don't line up with that.


They are not necessarily doubling down on Jones if they don't take a QB at #6. It more likely means that they do not believe the QB available where they draft is as good(impactful) as the player they chose. And even if they were deciding to go with Jones, that again is on Schoen. Daboll is not acting alone in a vacuum. It was a consciousness choice by the FO staff that getting the best player available was more inline with their plan.

95% of us want a QB, including me. There is a fine line between just replacing Jones because anyone else is better and building the team smartly and deciding the better path. Do you just grab a QB to get rid of Jones knowing that the new QB is likely to be replaced in two or three years(waste of a #6 pick ultimately), or do you take a blue chip WR that instantly upgrades the offense long term?

But that was not the point of my post. My point is that taking the WR over a QB and having another 6-10 year is not Daboll's death knell. Schoen is not saying here is a WR, make it work with the garbage in the QB room or you are gone. Too many people think not taking a QB with a non-winning season is going to get Daboll fired. I doubt it highly. I think Daboll is safe unless he has a JJ style meltdown. I think it will be part of what we consider a highly unpopular path of the rebuild.
RE: I know the team needs a QB  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/4/2024 7:29 am : link
In comment 16455769 Beer Man said:
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But one thing that DG told us was that you never reach for a QB because if you miss you are in QB hell. Then DG went on to prove his point when he reached for D. Jones with a #6 pick. I worry that McCarthy would also be a reach at 6 because,as Sy pointed out, McCarthy isn't in an elite class and QBs with similar abilities will be available in the 2025 draft.

Because of that I fear if the Giants drafts him they will find themselves in a perpetual QB hell like we have seen with Chicago over a number of years.


If Daboll and Schoen think McCarthy is not going to be a top NFL starter some day, then obviously you don't draft him. But if they think there is a decent chance, you take him.

Otherwise, we will continue to REMAIN in QB hell.
In a nutshell  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/4/2024 7:30 am : link
Schoen and Daboll's necks are on the line either way.

Welcome to life in the NFL.
RE: In a nutshell  
section125 : 4/4/2024 8:04 am : link
In comment 16455780 Eric from BBI said:
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Schoen and Daboll's necks are on the line either way.

Welcome to life in the NFL.


zackly...
RE: sy  
nygiantfan : 4/4/2024 8:15 am : link
In comment 16455744 BleedBlue said:
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I enjoyed that but disagree like most with the pick.



Disagree like most where? Not on this thread at least.
I just cannot get on board with passing  
LW_Giants : 4/4/2024 8:46 am : link
In one of the top four qb’s. It’s the most important position and the Giants have one of the worst qb rooms in the league. I know I should prepare for this disappointment, but I just don’t know how Daboll can survive a possible 3-6 win season without the hope of a rookie qb.
Eric your rightl  
Dave on the UWS : 4/4/2024 8:47 am : link
and Sy’s right.
What they do will depend on their evaluation. We all have thoughts and opinions but their jobs are on the line to build this team correctly.
If they think drafting Odunze moves the needle more then take him. If THEY have a high enough grade on McCarthy, then he’s the obvious pick.
The Athletic also mocked Odunze to the Giants today  
US1 Giants : 4/4/2024 8:48 am : link
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If the Giants have McCarthy graded at 81 or above (to use Sy’s system)  
Mike in NJ : 4/4/2024 8:49 am : link
He has to be the pick over a receiver, even if the receiver has an elite grade. Looking back at recent drafts, QBs with those types of grades typically go in the top 10, and you can’t just take it for granted that you’ll have the opportunity to be picking that high again.

At this point we have seen enough of Jones to know he isn’t the guy, and Sy’s comps of Goff, Jimmy G, Alex Smith, etc may not be the sexiest comparisons in retrospect, those are all guys that have had playoff success, and have shown you can get to the Super Bowl with that type of guy as your QB.

To Eric’s point, look at the QBs that have played in and won the Super Bowl recently, we don’t have that guy on the roster. If you’re telling me there is a shot that McCarthy can come on and there’s even a coin flip chance that he’s the best version of Goff, Smith, Romo, etc, that’s a QB that can win it for you.

On the other side of it, we may not have an elite receiver on the roster yet, but we do have Robinson and Hyatt, both have shown flashes of being quality players, and this is a deep wide receiver draft. You could get someone like Addonai Mitchell, Xavier Leggette, or Xavier Worthy in round 2 that last year would have probably gone in the first round. And again, look at previous Super Bowls, you don’t need an elite receiver to get there or to win it.

All else being relatively equal, you take the QB because they are the most crucial to winning, and you’re also a lot less likely to be in the position to select one again future drafts.
I'll tell you what  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/4/2024 9:39 am : link
the ideal scenario if the Giants go Odunze at 6 is moving up and drafting Penix now that would be exciting
I just can't believe Schoen/ Daboll are willing to risk another  
Maijay : 4/4/2024 9:57 am : link
crappy season on the likes of Jones or Lock. If they passed on McCarthy they are telling us that he is not a franchise type quarterback. Punting on a quarterback this draft might be committing career suicide for the GM and Head Coach.
Excellent job all around.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/4/2024 10:53 am : link
Well done.
RE: I just can't believe Schoen/ Daboll are willing to risk another  
Angel Eyes : 4/4/2024 10:55 am : link
In comment 16455937 Maijay said:
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crappy season on the likes of Jones or Lock. If they passed on McCarthy they are telling us that he is not a franchise type quarterback. Punting on a quarterback this draft might be committing career suicide for the GM and Head Coach.

They could be screwed anyway even if they don't.
RE: Few things  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/4/2024 10:56 am : link
In comment 16455682 Sy'56 said:
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My QB / WR grades will be out soon.

Odunze is an elite grade - McCarthy is a good grade. I simply have a hard time passing on elite especially at a high-value position and especially at a high value position of big need.

Passing on McCarthy and punting on QB is a big risk. I'm still a bit undecided to be honest. I go back and forth.

But I do feel, as much as I like McCarthy, we aren't talking about a guy that will never come across again. He isn't that caliber.

I also think the value of a rookie contract QB in terms of roster building is wiped away in years 1 and 2 because of the Jones situation.


Really hard to argue with this analysis.
RE: at the end of the day  
bigblue5611 : 4/4/2024 11:06 am : link
In comment 16455741 Eric from BBI said:
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no one knows who will be the best QB who will be in this draft. The 6th QB taken could be the best.


This has been my thinking for a while, especially with people not on this board stating you can't reach at 6 on "QB4". Where were Allen, Jackson, Mahomes, etc. picked in their respective classes? It's not always the top QB(s) picked that turn out to be the best.
RE: Odunze  
TheBlueprintNC : 4/4/2024 12:16 pm : link
In comment 16455708 Eric from BBI said:
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is one of my favorite players in this draft so I would not be upset.

However, if you don't have a QB, you're pretty much dead in the water. And the Giants don't have a QB.

It all depends on what Schoen and Daboll really think of the other QBs in this draft.


If he is gone i think Giants trade down... imo he is there target.. He fits like a glove for what Dabs likes to do.. The QB will come later in the draft.
Mara even alluded to it  
TheBlueprintNC : 4/4/2024 12:18 pm : link
there are a lot of QBs in the draft.. but you dont pass a top talent like the Wrs that are available to them
I have no issue taking a WR at #6  
56goat : 4/4/2024 12:37 pm : link
if they have a plan they can execute to get a QB as well. If we draft Rome and keep the same QB room, how do they get him the ball? We can only run so many jet sweeps. Anybody inspired by a DJ/Drew/Cutlets QB roster for next year?
RE: Mara even alluded to it  
bw in dc : 4/4/2024 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16456242 TheBlueprintNC said:
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there are a lot of QBs in the draft.. but you dont pass a top talent like the Wrs that are available to them


This draft is deeper in quality at WR than at QB.

Not selecting any of the big four WRs is not a loss when you have WRs available on day two who will likely have grade one-grades.

IMV, taking a WR at #6 is not the best way to manage this draft.

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