Dave Syvertsen on The Giants Insider

Listened this morning. Great listen. & unlike previous times, I felt like Chris & Jerry held back a lot so Sy could take center stage, as he should. & that's not meant as a knock on Chris & Jerry; I like them both, but there was one previous time where they had Sy on & Sy wasn't getting nearly as much time as the guest.

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I just finished with the QB talk in this. Some notable Maye comments ...

"Have you ever seen a basketball player make three 3s in a row and then miss a layup?"

He brought up another really good point. Everyone compares Maye to Allen but Allen is a unicorn. He said teams hit on a Josh Allen like once every ten times. He said what makes Allen so great is his toughness. He's like Roethlisberger where guys are hanging all over him and he still makes plays. He said when it comes to Maye he has at least 8 examples of a 3rd or 4th and 1 and he's "soft".


My opinion is I think I know what I want now. Stay at 6, don't give up future picks, and take either JJM or one of the top 3 WR.

In comment 16458697 robbieballs2003 said:

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I just finished with the QB talk in this. Some notable Maye comments ... "Have you ever seen a basketball player make three 3s in a row and then miss a layup?" He brought up another really good point. Everyone compares Maye to Allen but Allen is a unicorn. He said teams hit on a Josh Allen like once every ten times. He said what makes Allen so great is his toughness. He's like Roethlisberger where guys are hanging all over him and he still makes plays. He said when it comes to Maye he has at least 8 examples of a 3rd or 4th and 1 and he's "soft". My opinion is I think I know what I want now. Stay at 6, don't give up future picks, and take either JJM or one of the top 3 WR.

I would trade no more than a 2025 2nd and 3rd to get up to 4 if needed for Maye or JJM. Maye is too boom or bust for me to trade the farm.

In comment 16458695 Ira said:

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I think this is all but a lock, Daniels is so much safer while still having immense upside vs Maye. They are on different tiers imp.

"the way I feel about Penix is the way I felt about Hooker"

In comment 16458704 Eric from BBI said:

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"the way I feel about Penix is the way I felt about Hooker"

Lol

Sy is such a likable guy. Good chemistry in that conversation

is another guy linking Nix with Denver. This seems to be a growing opinion.

Not fair to him to keep saying he likes JJM more, that was just a personal preference, gut feeling judgement call on his part.

thinks the Giants prefer Maye too.

yeah, the "soft" comment was not good.

In comment 16458721 Eric from BBI said:

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thinks the Giants prefer Maye too.

Yes, and that seems clear at this point. Question is do we trade pick 6, 47 2035 1st and 3rd or so for him or McCarthy for just pick 6 maybe slightly more?

Also, sounds like multiple WRs are going to have plus 90 grades, which equates to All Pro caliber. He is highest on Harrison Jr. & Rome.

In comment 16458724 Eric from BBI said:

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yeah, the "soft" comment was not good.

Maye is just way too boom or bust for my liking to trade the farm for him, but then again that's why NE would trade the pick in the first place.

In comment 16458726 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Also, sounds like multiple WRs are going to have plus 90 grades, which equates to All Pro caliber. He is highest on Harrison Jr. & Rome.

I'd prefer (1)JJM or (2)Odunze at 6 to trading the farm for Maye.

In comment 16458726 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Also, sounds like multiple WRs are going to have plus 90 grades, which equates to All Pro caliber. He is highest on Harrison Jr. & Rome.

If they stay at 6 and don't go QB, the Giants come away with a great WR!

If Joe & Dabs aren't in love enough to move up for a QB/don't feel like one warrants being selected @ 6, Rome would be a great pick IMO. I see a lot of Hakeem Nicks in him. And I still contend Nicks had HOF potential if his body didn't betray him.

As back of that round picks, not a round later.

In comment 16458697 robbieballs2003 said:

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I just finished with the QB talk in this. Some notable Maye comments ... "Have you ever seen a basketball player make three 3s in a row and then miss a layup?" He brought up another really good point. Everyone compares Maye to Allen but Allen is a unicorn. He said teams hit on a Josh Allen like once every ten times. He said what makes Allen so great is his toughness. He's like Roethlisberger where guys are hanging all over him and he still makes plays. He said when it comes to Maye he has at least 8 examples of a 3rd or 4th and 1 and he's "soft". My opinion is I think I know what I want now. Stay at 6, don't give up future picks, and take either JJM or one of the top 3 WR.

Agreed.

that he was right.

"See Jerry!... What did I tell you?"...

In comment 16458735 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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If Joe & Dabs aren't in love enough to move up for a QB/don't feel like one warrants being selected @ 6, Rome would be a great pick IMO. I see a lot of Hakeem Nicks in him. And I still contend Nicks had HOF potential if his body didn't betray him.

If not for that one game in Tampa, Nicks and Cruz don't get hurt and we probably don't look in Beckham's direction.

Looking forward to the grades when they come on the QBs and WRs.

he wouldn’t trade more than a 3rd to move up.

You can’t just completely ignore the rest of the roster. This team needs a lot of good players and when you want to build through the draft you can’t just trade all your premium picks away.

There are Penix-type QBs every year. No need to panic-draft Penix.

In comment 16458716 Eric from BBI said:

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is another guy linking Nix with Denver. This seems to be a growing opinion.

I’ve had this in my head for a while. He screams Sean Payton QB to me.

I’m really torn.
I think JS and BD are VERY high on Maye. If they have that kind of conviction, go get him.
IF that proves not possible, I’m not sure you “settle” for JJM over a guy who is a difference maker and a force multiplier for the WR room.
Sy has ALL three WRs as 90+ guys.
For those not familiar with his grading system.
That’s an ALL-PRO potential player, all 3 of them!
When was the last time NYG had that kind of a difference maker at WR?
A guy like Odunze is a more talented and faster Plaxico. Let that sink in a minute.

I’m not saying get one of these guys to make Jones better.
It’s to get a guy who will be the center piece of your pass offense, no matter who the QB is.

It’s not about kicking the can down the road.
It’s about getting THIS level of player while you can.

In comment 16458900 Dave on the UWS said:

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I’m really torn. I think JS and BD are VERY high on Maye. If they have that kind of conviction, go get him. IF that proves not possible, I’m not sure you “settle” for JJM over a guy who is a difference maker and a force multiplier for the WR room. Sy has ALL three WRs as 90+ guys. For those not familiar with his grading system. That’s an ALL-PRO potential player, all 3 of them! When was the last time NYG had that kind of a difference maker at WR? A guy like Odunze is a more talented and faster Plaxico. Let that sink in a minute. I’m not saying get one of these guys to make Jones better. It’s to get a guy who will be the center piece of your pass offense, no matter who the QB is. It’s not about kicking the can down the road. It’s about getting THIS level of player while you can.

It's greater than that... there is no one on our offense right now that scares anyone.

The Giants are in a pickle because they need a QB. But they also need play-makers.

I'm pretty confident that you won't be talking about how few weapons the Giants have.

Get the ball to Hyatt and Wandale before assuming they're just bad.

In comment 16458900 Dave on the UWS said:

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I’m really torn. I think JS and BD are VERY high on Maye. If they have that kind of conviction, go get him. IF that proves not possible, I’m not sure you “settle” for JJM over a guy who is a difference maker and a force multiplier for the WR room. Sy has ALL three WRs as 90+ guys. For those not familiar with his grading system. That’s an ALL-PRO potential player, all 3 of them! When was the last time NYG had that kind of a difference maker at WR? A guy like Odunze is a more talented and faster Plaxico. Let that sink in a minute. I’m not saying get one of these guys to make Jones better. It’s to get a guy who will be the center piece of your pass offense, no matter who the QB is. It’s not about kicking the can down the road. It’s about getting THIS level of player while you can.

I don't think you can go wrong with sitting at 6 and letting it play out. For as much as I want the QB missing on a trade up, to me, us the only unforgivable outcome. I imagine there will be some general disappointment on draft night if we don't come away with a QB, but if the dominos do fall that way it's going to be one hell of a consolation.

In comment 16458729 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16458726 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Also, sounds like multiple WRs are going to have plus 90 grades, which equates to All Pro caliber. He is highest on Harrison Jr. & Rome. I'd prefer (1)JJM or (2)Odunze at 6 to trading the farm for Maye.

This. Stay at 6. We all know Jones isn't the answer but mortgaging the future for a Qb rarely works. And even some of the top rated guys like Trevor Lawrence haven't been instant successes. Does t mean you pass on a guy you love but the trade the farm for a QB seems just unwise

In comment 16458963 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I'm pretty confident that you won't be talking about how few weapons the Giants have. Get the ball to Hyatt and Wandale before assuming they're just bad.

They're not "bad" but they don't have a #1, and it's tough to win in the NFL without one.

this offensive roster is just putrid right now. It's so bad, it will affect a rookie QBs ability to come in here and play well.

Without Barkley, Waller and an uncertain QB situation they will have traded away a top 10 or perhaps a top five pick. It would erase half the fan base.

This year’s quarterback and next year’s wide receiver will thank you.

The only name receiver the team had in its four Superbowl seasons was Plax, who may have been the difference-maker in the Conference title game but caught only two passes in the Superbowl.

Guys named Baker and Ingram and Tyree and Manningham made the big plays, and were out of football two or three years later.

In comment 16458767 SirLoinOfBeef said:

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that he was right. "See Jerry!... What did I tell you?"...

Yes, it’s extremely annoying.

Thanks to everyone who listened. Sy is the best.