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And youll take him at 23 but not 11?

Seems....risky.


Take the QB you like, and still a good player available at 23.

I will say this though, if the Vikings are this loose with the information than they've got some big problems.

The room always shrinks with draft strategy, so anything your guy heard could be misdirection to identify who within the building is leaking information.

McCarthy should be there at 6.

In comment 16458661 The Dude said:

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And youll take him at 23 but not 11? Seems....risky. Take the QB you like, and still a good player available at 23.

I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. It is possible they like a player, but also not like him enough to overdraft him. If they think the drop off from Turner/Laitu/Verse to DL4 is significantly greater than the dropoff from Penix to Nix or even QB7 (who might not be QB7 on their board) that could also play into it.

Extremely unlikely that Washington trades out if they select Maye. I expected the Vikings were all in on Maye and would trade at least three number one picks and more. Schoen should walk away at that cost.

Schoen's thoughts might mirror Minny's. Being high on both Maye and Penix. Which is exactly how I feel as well. Oh well, WR1 it is. Unless Schoen wants to 'maneuver' for Penix ahead of #11, which might be a stretch and complicated. Whew, these are going to be a bumpy two and a half weeks ahead!

In comment 16458664 Sean said:

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McCarthy should be there at 6.

Unless someone trades up to get him... ( which I doubt )

But what a tremendous gamble teams might be willing to make to grab one.

This Vikings GM, already a bit on shaky ground, may live or likely die on this hill of moving up to 3 or 5 paying two or three first rounders for the distinction!

I was big on grabbing the QB high, but now thinking future HOF WR and Nix in round 2. If Nix is not the guy, you have 2025!

In comment 16458669 Spider43 said:

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Schoen's thoughts might mirror Minny's. Being high on both Maye and Penix. Which is exactly how I feel as well. Oh well, WR1 it is. Unless Schoen wants to 'maneuver' for Penix ahead of #11, which might be a stretch and complicated. Whew, these are going to be a bumpy two and a half weeks ahead!

With these odds: "the current odds for New York to draft a WR are at -175 per DraftKings Sportsbook." I would say a WR is the favorite pick at 6, which one is more the question.

I just cant see them replacing an oft injured QB with an oft injured QB even if he hasnt been injured in two season.. Two ACLS and Two should issues bothers me.

I think Sean is right: JJ will be there @ six. And if he is, I think he's the pick.

this year and 1st next year should still trump that offer.

Are they willing to pay it? We’ll see.

if the giants truly like JJM, because if Vikings move to three to take Maye, he should be there at 6

Sy likes JM over Drake. & Sy knows a helluva more football than me so I'll take his word for it.

This would indeed be an ideal scenario: a QB that we like dropping to us instead of having to move up & trade future assets.

firsts this year, a first next year and a first the year after, I'm not sure just their firsts this year and next tops our first this year and next because 6 versus 11 is a huge difference. NE may be able to sell their fans on a blue chip wide receiver that's there at 6, how do they sell to their fans moving to 11?

In comment 16458664 Sean said:

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McCarthy should be there at 6.

Not if Denver or Oakland try and move up.

In comment 16458664 Sean said:

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McCarthy should be there at 6.

yep that's the good news about this and we've heard whether true or not the Giants like JJM(and Sy for that matter likes him better than Maye)

In comment 16458684 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Sy likes JM over Drake. & Sy knows a helluva more football than me so I'll take his word for it. This would indeed be an ideal scenario: a QB that we like dropping to us instead of having to move up & trade future assets.

This is the scenario I've been hoping for all along. I was hoping Schoen would play up the Vikings hand to trade up with the Patriots for the big boom or bust QB in Maye. Then if we were lucky JJM would fall right into our laps as the trade price would be extreme to get from 11 back up or for Den or LV. NE would have to trade a lot of the draft capital they got from Min to get back up for JJM, it's possible but unlikely I think.

If Schoen likes JJM enough he could still trade up slightly, but I think he would wait it out and if JJM was there he would take him if not go Odunze.

Then NE should trade with us and draft JJM at 6.

In comment 16458690 barens said:

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In comment 16458664 Sean said: Quote: McCarthy should be there at 6. Not if Denver or Oakland try and move up.

The Giants can make better offers. I doubt the Vikings can make a better offer, 6 to 11 is a huge difference. If the Giants truly want one of these QBs, they can get them.

6 overall
2024 2nd rounder
2025 first rounder
2025 third rounder
Jalin Hyatt

I think that beats NE dropping all the way to 11. Going through the season they just did and not adding a blue chip talent? I doubt that.

In comment 16458692 Blue21 said:

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In comment 16458664 Sean said: Quote: McCarthy should be there at 6. yep that's the good news about this and we've heard whether true or not the Giants like JJM(and Sy for that matter likes him better than Maye)

Sy said he would prefer JJM because he has shown he has mental fortitude and wits to play under duress and in big moments. It sounded more like a personal preference because they were graded extremely closely. This was also probably before he finalized his grades. We will see Monday! I think JJM is the safer prospect, while Maye has a higher ceiling.

If possible Maye if not its one of three WR

The Vikings blow all their draft picks on one player and have nothing for this draft or next years. Great GM work.

As for Sy, he does see projection with JJ and that's what it should be about. How he fits into a team and its team philosophy. I feel comfortable with Daboll coaching uo a young, talented kid like JJ or Drake and get them to their highest ceiling. He's capable of that.

Basically one of the top 5 teams would be resigned to losing one of the blue chip WR prospects by making that trade with Minnesota.

That's why I think the Giants are actually in a good spot because I think a team would rather pick up a 1 next year from the Giants to move back to six and still get a WR rather than drop that far back with Minnesota and get none of the blue chip WRs.

got three more weeks of this!

I'm ready for the draft now.

Which I believe they do, then I would expect JJM falls to 6.

This is ideal. We keep 47 to add WR, don’t have to give up any draft capital next year.

I have been on the Maye train since October 23, however, I have grown to like the idea of McCarthy. Sy’s video breakdown of JJ vs Drake definitely opened my eyes.

Ironically, I happen to like both Michigan and UNC football and I have watched a good amount of both players. I’d be happy with either guy to build on.

In comment 16458709 Eric from BBI said:

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got three more weeks of this! I'm ready for the draft now.

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In comment 16458710 Rjanyg said:

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Which I believe they do, then I would expect JJM falls to 6. This is ideal. We keep 47 to add WR, don’t have to give up any draft capital next year. I have been on the Maye train since October 23, however, I have grown to like the idea of McCarthy. Sy’s video breakdown of JJ vs Drake definitely opened my eyes. Ironically, I happen to like both Michigan and UNC football and I have watched a good amount of both players. I’d be happy with either guy to build on.

JJM at 6 without any extra draft capital would be fantastic and my dream scenario. It's very realistic if Minnesota trades the farm to NE (would probably have to be pick 12, 23, 2025 1st and 2026 1st).

In comment 16458668 GFAN52 said:

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Extremely unlikely that Washington trades out if they select Maye. I expected the Vikings were all in on Maye and would trade at least three number one picks and more. Schoen should walk away at that cost.

It's two 1's really, a swap of one, give one now and next year.. if Schoen wants Maye then fuck the cost and go get him...

Dream scenario for me is JJM available at 6. I think he's going to be a fantastic pro.

Then could the Vacchiano report about the Giants interest in making a big move to 3 for Maye be a smokescreen to bait Minnesota to jump ahead of them? If Maye isn’t the QB you want, then isn’t the scenario where Minnesota gives up assets to grab him before you exactly what you want to have happen?

In that case it makes it extremely unlikely that 4 QBs go ahead of the Giants, the Broncos and Vegas may want a QB but I don’t know if either of them have the ammo to get to 4, and I highly doubt the Chargers are moving down to give either of them a QB. This likely leaves either Daniels or JJ on the board, and you are able to get one of them without having to trade up.

Hopefully this is the case, and the Giants love of Maye isn’t real to the extent that they feel the need to outbid Minnesota.

In comment 16458733 Mike in NJ said:

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Then could the Vacchiano report about the Giants interest in making a big move to 3 for Maye be a smokescreen to bait Minnesota to jump ahead of them? If Maye isn’t the QB you want, then isn’t the scenario where Minnesota gives up assets to grab him before you exactly what you want to have happen? In that case it makes it extremely unlikely that 4 QBs go ahead of the Giants, the Broncos and Vegas may want a QB but I don’t know if either of them have the ammo to get to 4, and I highly doubt the Chargers are moving down to give either of them a QB. This likely leaves either Daniels or JJ on the board, and you are able to get one of them without having to trade up. Hopefully this is the case, and the Giants love of Maye isn’t real to the extent that they feel the need to outbid Minnesota.

I think the interest in Maye is real, but I'm not sure we would exceed an insane offer by Minnesota like pick 11, 23, 2025 1st and 2026 1st or 2nd.

wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings offered #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to anyone as long as Maye is still available. Schoen could top that, but it would require a ton, and in my view, far too much. As others have said, the best option at that point is not to trade with anyone since JJM will likely be available at #6. I doubt Denver or Las Vegas can get to #4 or #5. The Giants might also be able to trade down and take Nix or Penix.

In comment 16458745 AcidTest said:

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wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings offered #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to anyone as long as Maye is still available. Schoen could top that, but it would require a ton, and in my view, far too much. As others have said, the best option at that point is not to trade with anyone since JJM will likely be available at #6. I doubt Denver or Las Vegas can get to #4 or #5. The Giants might also be able to trade down and take Nix or Penix.

I'm 100% on board with you about letting Minnesota win a bidding war for Maye. They could even offer pick 11, 23, 2025 1st and 2026 1st for all we know. Maye is too boom or bust to pay as much as we would need to pay for him, if he wasn't boom or bust NE wouldn't trade the pick.

I am confident we can outbid the Vikings.

If NE isn’t really in love with moving out of 3, I suspect the NYG won’t want to match the mountain the Vikings are willing to move.

In comment 16458749 Jaenyg said:

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I am confident we can outbid the Vikings. If NE isn’t really in love with moving out of 3, I suspect the NYG won’t want to match the mountain the Vikings are willing to move.

Confident?

They can offer three #1s. That's tough to top.

In comment 16458745 AcidTest said:

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wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings offered #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to anyone as long as Maye is still available. Schoen could top that, but it would require a ton, and in my view, far too much. As others have said, the best option at that point is not to trade with anyone since JJM will likely be available at #6. I doubt Denver or Las Vegas can get to #4 or #5. The Giants might also be able to trade down and take Nix or Penix.

A trade with NE may not cost as much as you would think. If Minn isn’t targeting JJM, then that is huge in our favor. Kraft wants a QB (JJM or Maye, presumably), but his people are desperate for more picks. Good chance they can deal with us and get both. Any other option and they have to chose one or the other (stay put gets the QB but not picks, and trading beyond 6 will likely cost them their QB).

In comment 16458749 Jaenyg said:

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I am confident we can outbid the Vikings. If NE isn’t really in love with moving out of 3, I suspect the NYG won’t want to match the mountain the Vikings are willing to move.

I don't think that's relevant tbh, the Vikings will pay the same exorbant price no matter whether NE prefers to move down or not NE will get as much as they can. The Vikings are much closer to contention than us and they could be willing to trade whatever it takes to get Maye at 3.

In comment 16458751 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16458749 Jaenyg said: Quote: I am confident we can outbid the Vikings. If NE isn’t really in love with moving out of 3, I suspect the NYG won’t want to match the mountain the Vikings are willing to move. Confident? They can offer three #1s. That's tough to top.

You keep saying this, but not all number one picks are created equal. It depends where they are. I'm not saying the Giants will outbid the Vikings, but I don't think it's impossible to do so.

In comment 16458752 UberAlias said:

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In comment 16458745 AcidTest said: Quote: wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings offered #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to anyone as long as Maye is still available. Schoen could top that, but it would require a ton, and in my view, far too much. As others have said, the best option at that point is not to trade with anyone since JJM will likely be available at #6. I doubt Denver or Las Vegas can get to #4 or #5. The Giants might also be able to trade down and take Nix or Penix. A trade with NE may not cost as much as you would think. If Minn isn’t targeting JJM, then that is huge in our favor. Kraft wants a QB (JJM or Maye, presumably), but his people are desperate for more picks. Good chance they can deal with us and get both. Any other option and they have to chose one or the other (stay put gets the QB but not picks, and trading beyond 6 will likely cost them their QB).

Yes, that is the only scenario in which we wouldn't have to vastly overpay for Maye which I see as very plausible. I think We would still have to trade pick 6, 47 and 2025 1st or pick 6 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd though. If NE trades down with us I could see them having a deal in place with AZ to trade right back up for JJM for pick 6 and 2025 2nd and 3rd, they would then basically get JJM plus our 2025 1st for pick 3.

Agreed. 2025 #1 and something else, for sure. I do have a feeling NYG would be reluctant to give this year 2. By hunch is that’s earmarked for a WR.

In comment 16458761 UberAlias said:

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Agreed. 2025 #1 and something else, for sure. I do have a feeling NYG would be reluctant to give this year 2. By hunch is that’s earmarked for a WR.

I agree and if we trade up I would sure as hell hope they kept 47 to take a WR or trade up for one of Leggette/Franklin/Coleman/Mitchell. There are legit #1 wr potential guys that will be within reach.

McCarthy will be on board at 6 with no need to trade up

And yet the following remain very strong possibilities:
Maye
JJM
MHJ
Nabers
Odunze

Obviously there are others, but you can legitimately make a case for any of these 5 as being the favorite.

In comment 16458748 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16458745 AcidTest said: Quote: wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings offered #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to anyone as long as Maye is still available. Schoen could top that, but it would require a ton, and in my view, far too much. As others have said, the best option at that point is not to trade with anyone since JJM will likely be available at #6. I doubt Denver or Las Vegas can get to #4 or #5. The Giants might also be able to trade down and take Nix or Penix. I'm 100% on board with you about letting Minnesota win a bidding war for Maye. They could even offer pick 11, 23, 2025 1st and 2026 1st for all we know. Maye is too boom or bust to pay as much as we would need to pay for him, if he wasn't boom or bust NE wouldn't trade the pick.

Yup.

Minny’s 2 1st round picks + 2025 1st is the same as NYG 1st, 2nd + 2025 1st.

New York’s 1st and 2nd are actually slightly more valuable than Minnesotas two 1st rounders. If you live by the value chart.

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One interesting thing I've picked up on making calls this week: Coaches seem to be higher than scouts on Washington QB Michael Penix, in general. Some have him ahead of the presumed top guys (excluding Caleb Williams).

In comment 16458751 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16458749 Jaenyg said: Quote: I am confident we can outbid the Vikings. If NE isn’t really in love with moving out of 3, I suspect the NYG won’t want to match the mountain the Vikings are willing to move. Confident? They can offer three #1s. That's tough to top.

Eric, I still think the #6 pick is more desirable. When you have the season the Patriots had and you have no top end talent, dropping to #11 and out of the blue chip talents is tough. And picking in the 20s is a huge crapshoot anyway.

At 6, NE can draft Harrison, Nabers or Odunze. McCarthy might be there too.