What if scenario: if McCarthy is there, and the Vikings call

In comment 16458927 larryflower37 said:

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Take Powers-Johnson at 11 and CB at 23

This cant be real.

In this draft.

If he is there @6, and you are JS and BD and think the QB position is important the question of trading way back, plus getting future picks (and you may not be around for the future) it’s best to go bird in the 🖐️.

In comment 16458903 RAIN said:

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An overpay, would need more … like a 3 this year and a 1 next.

I'd want a 2025 1st or 2nd to be included as well or new deal.

In comment 16458951 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 16458903 RAIN said: Quote: An overpay, would need more … like a 3 this year and a 1 next. I'd want a 2025 1st or 2nd to be included as well or new deal.

*no deal*

In comment 16458947 Blue21 said:

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In this draft.

I think he had him #3 no? I thought Sy had Caleb & Daniels 1-2.

Get the extra pick and then draft Penix or Nix at #11. Draft WR Brian Thomas at #23.

Still have your own second and third to address CB and DT.

Daniel Jones is going to start no matter who we draft. Take the trade and walk away with two 1st rounders.

JJ McCarthy or Terrion Arnold and Brian Thomas Jr?

In comment 16458904 ElitoCanton said:

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pick the QB. We will be in QB hell for years if we don't address QB this year. Next year's top guy would be the 5th guy this year.

Exactly

In comment 16458913 jvm52106 said:

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For me.. To hell with trading back..

Agreed

This roster could use two 1st rounders- that could be 2 starters. There are other needs besides QB, like WR, CB, DL, S, IOL, TE….

If we’re passing on a QB this year and not taking one of the blue chip WRs either I want assets next year to ensure we can trade up get our QB.

The wild card here is whether or not there is a well hidden love for Nix or Penix and the plan would be to take them at 11.

I get people are down on the '25 QB class, but I keep going back to this: no one-NO ONE-had Joe Burrow going first overall in 2020 @ this point in time in 2019. A lot can change over a fall. QBs will rise who we didn't expect. Don't be so dismissive of the '25 QB class.

& this is coming from someone who-in the scenario Eric painted out-would take JJM.

Not only are you missing out on the WRs but also possibly Turner and Verse

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Ahead to the 2025 draft and its QB class means Daboll's fate is already sealed. I do think he is a good evaluator and would like to see him develop another young kid and mold him like he did prior in Buffalo.

take him

If they love McCarthy you take him.

I think the Giants will take McCarthy if he’s there at 6.

I love the receivers so I’m good either way.

I wouldn’t make the trade unless Minny offered a 3 or 4 this year and a three next year.

In comment 16458968 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I get people are down on the '25 QB class, but I keep going back to this: no one-NO ONE-had Joe Burrow going first overall in 2020 @ this point in time in 2019. A lot can change over a fall. QBs will rise who we didn't expect. Don't be so dismissive of the '25 QB class. & this is coming from someone who-in the scenario Eric painted out-would take JJM.

Thats just hoping for something. Hope is not s strategy. It could be like 2022 with just Pickett.

And if a prospect like these guys emerge they will likely go 1-2 and the Giants being in same position as this year

Deal with there here and now . There is a QB now

Maybe try to build some capital for next year as well. Quite possible to grab Penix plus more. We are so short on quality starters we need to stock the shelves and embrace the rebuild

no.

Walk out of #6 with a new QB or #1 WR unless there is an offer you can't refuse

In comment 16458996 Sy'56 said:

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no. Walk out of #6 with a new QB or #1 WR unless there is an offer you can't refuse

This is a big reason why I'm skeptical the Vikings can trade up. Sure, the 2025 first is nice but you're trading out of the lottery in 2024.

Does anyone in a million years think NYG would draft Shedeur Sanders? You'd be signing up to manage Deion which I see many teams being scared off by that. So that's one off the board right there.

Hope AZ and LAC see it that way also.

If a team has a high second round pick I dont see the 23rd pick as all that special.

Good Lord, I want a QB. I might be one of the most vocal anti Jones people here. I'm sick of the DJFC treating his '22 season, where he threw a total of 15 TDs, as some All Pro like season.

All I'm saying is that a lot can change between now & then. & you're right...'25 QB draft class could be like '22 QB draft class. But people speaking in absolutes about next year's QB class...I just disagree.

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In comment 16458949 thrunthrublue said:

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If he is there @6, and you are JS and BD and think the QB position is important the question of trading way back, plus getting future picks (and you may not be around for the future) it’s best to go bird in the 🖐️.

But someone in the sixth round could be Brady redux, also.

There’s a solid chance based on the teams picking behind 6, that Odunze or Nabers would be there. I’d do it if they included a 2025 1st as well, no problem.

Just for the 11 and 23, probably not.

Vikings are not high on JJ. They were considering doing that for Penix, but not for JJ.

I don't know if I'm doing it if you add next years first. This team needs talent. The gap is so painfully obvious each and every week. Stay put or trade up, but get a marquee talent.

In comment 16459026 j_rud said:

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I don't know if I'm doing it if you add next years first. This team needs talent. The gap is so painfully obvious each and every week. Stay put or trade up, but get a marquee talent.

Getting 11 and 23, you are talking about two high end starters. That’s adding talent.

And Kadarius Toney instead of Jamar Chase or Jaylen Waddle.

In comment 16459030 ryanmkeane said:

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In comment 16459026 j_rud said: Quote: I don't know if I'm doing it if you add next years first. This team needs talent. The gap is so painfully obvious each and every week. Stay put or trade up, but get a marquee talent. Getting 11 and 23, you are talking about two high end starters. That’s adding talent.

Elite talent.

Because I want a blue chip player. But...

If Minn wants my pick, they won't win me over with 11 and 23. Why? Because that exchange gets them their QB, but not us.

I would be more inclined to consider their 11 and NEXT years #1. In that case, I still get a good player this year, but have ammo to aggressively get our QB nest year. I may ask for another pick involved, but what I really want is an elite QB. If I can't get him today, I'm listening for options to get him tomorrow.

If we don't then probably yes, but would ask for more. A third this year or a second next.

There is a chance we get Nix and Thomas with 11 & 23. Maybe MN throws in a 2025 2nd round pick as well?

If the Giants are high on JJ he's our pick. If not I think in addition to 11 and 23 at least a #2 in 2025 would be the minimum. Otherwise just take the receiver

In comment 16458996 Sy'56 said:

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no. Walk out of #6 with a new QB or #1 WR unless there is an offer you can't refuse

Agreed. This is spot on. QB, blue chip WR, or significant assets to manipulate the draft to get our QB next year.

Yes I do.

But they need to cough up their #1 next year as well.

D.E.A.L.

Grab a top WR and keep residual net pick.

Wheeling and dealing.

In comment 16459055 Rjanyg said:

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There is a chance we get Nix and Thomas with 11 & 23. Maybe MN throws in a 2025 2nd round pick as well?

Minnesota doesn't have a 2025 2nd round pick. They traded it to Houston as part of the package for #23.

and the pick is yours, Minnesota!

:-)

the Giants think of McCarthy to answer that

getting more shots in the top 100 as better for our team. I know QB is a high bust/hit potential, but generally, when I look at where some great players NY has drafted:

1. Strahan: 2nd round
2. Barber: 2nd round
3. OBJ: 12th in 1st round
4. Hakeem Nicks: 29th in 1st round

I get the counter points, but I'd rather have as many cost-controlled shots as possible if we are not getting a QB we want to bet several years on.

I don't think the year matters, whenever we don't win a Superbowl, we wish we lost a few games, so we are up a few spots in the draft.

On top of that. Need ammo for a 2025 qb

So yes, I trade down and expect to take Penix at 11 and get one of the good WRs at 23.

and I’ll spring for a Rolex for Gano to give up jersey no. 9 for him.

But I'd pass on that deal. They'd have to throw in their 2025 #1 to even consider it. Scenarios where they include Jefferson are interesting, but probably still pass. Who is going throw him the ball?

If not, then yes I would.

But I would need more to move down. Make them overpay or say no.