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2024 NFL Draft Preview - QB

Sy'56 : 4/7/2024 7:06 am
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Draft Grade Index:

90+ All-Pro Projection

85-89: Pro Bowl Projection:

81-84: 1st Round – Year 1 starter

77-80: 2nd/3rd Round – Year 1 contributor, year 2-3 starter

74-76: Early Day 3: CoresSpecial teamer and rotational player

71-74: Mid Day 3: Core special teamer and backup

68-70: Late Day 3: Developmental and special teamer


TOP 15 GRADES AND ANALYSIS

1. Jayden Daniels – LSU – 6’3 / 210

Grade: 87


Five-year starter. Earned first team All-SEC and All-American in 2023. Spent three years at Arizona State where he was the first true freshman in school history to start week one. Transferred to LSU in 2022 where he ended up winning the Walter Camp Player of the Year Award, Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, Davey O’Brien Award, and Heisman Trophy. (in 2023). Daniels brings two important traits to the table that fit perfect into today’s NFL. He is a true dual threat that knows how and when to use his legs to enhance both the passing and running games. He also has a tremendous amount of experience with his best football coming after he transferred into the SEC. The ability to process and get the ball out actually improved after making that jump in competition against NFL-caliber speed. He plays fast and confident, he shows poise and intelligence. If he can avoid a lot of heavy contact in order to stay on the field, he will end up a dangerous big play machine at the next level. The concerns around his body type and durability are warranted, but he hasn’t missed a start since November of 2019, shows extreme dexterity in his joints, and exudes both mental and physical toughness.

*Daniels set records for explosive plays. Daniels checks every both athletically. Daniels left his mark on the LSU coaching staff when it came to leadership and work ethic qualities (among coaches that set the bar high). Daniels has impressed in private meetings with teams. What else can one want? The body type is the one thing that will prevent some from putting him into the elite category (I bet he plays closer to 200 pounds) and because of historical data, I won’t push back against those that want to steer clear. But you have to keep in mind the historical data is partially from a different era of football. With how much quarterbacks are protected now; I think him being around 205-210 pounds is not as big of a deal as it would have been in 2000-2010. Brian Daboll made this offense more efficient in year one, but he knows that will never be good enough. They need more explosive plays while maintaining the efficiency both on the ground and via the air. That sums up Daniels and what he brings to the table. The game is changing and Daniels is closer to the prototype than had he come out ten years ago, by a mile. He’s the guy if he is somehow there at 6.

NFL Comparison: Randall Cunningham / RET
NFL Ceiling: Lamar Jackson / BAL


2. Caleb Williams – USC – 6’1 / 214

Grade: 87


Three-year starter. All-Big 12 in 2021 and All-Pac 12 in both 2023 and 2022 after transferring from Oklahoma to USC. Winner of the Heisman Trophy, AP Player of the Year, and Maxwell Award in 2022 after setting a USC single season record for total offense and touchdowns. Williams was a five-star recruit that followed Head Coach Lincoln Riley out west from Oklahoma following his freshman season. Riley guided two quarterbacks (Baker Mayfield in 2018 and Kyler Murray in 2019) to eventual number one overall slots in the NFL Draft in addition to reviving Jalen Hurts’ college career prior to being selected in the second round of the 2020 Draft. Williams’ succeeded in the quarterback-friendly system as well but his overall talent is on a different level. The playmaking ability is dripping off the innovative, creative competitor. He can create on his own and there is always a credible threat for the homerun when he touches the ball. Because his offensive line was so poor, specifically in 2023, Williams was forced out of structure often. He needed to make up for one of the worst scoring defenses as well and that combination created bad habits. He tried too hard to play hero-ball and got away from taking what was available initially. While that does make it look good on the highlight reel and it did provide clarity on what he is uniquely capable of, Williams will not get away with most of those circus acts at the next level. NFL defenses are too fast and complex for that. He will need to show he can get back to basic, fundamentally sound football that centers around ball protection and sound decision making. If he applies himself properly and the system around him is strong, the sky truly is the limit for the uber-talented star.

*Williams ends up with the same grade as Daniels. While I trust Daniels more, I will acknowledge Williams does have the ceiling of a perennial All-Pro. Simply put, he can do things nobody else can on a weekly basis. I also think he has shown better pocket awareness and “sixth sense” in his game. His contact balance and lower body strength will make him tougher to take down for a sack, and he throws better on the move. What puts him as “1B” in this class has nothing to do with some of the off-field stuff that bothers some. Painting his nails, crying in his mom’s arms after a loss, his sense of fashion. None of that matters to me and none of it factored into the grade. I simply do not like the lack of ability to control his “backyard” football. I do not think it will work against NFL speed and if anything, pro defenses will leverage against it. The fumble issue was all-time bad, the Notre Dame tape was as bad as it gets among the top guys in this class, and I think he created more issues than some want to admit for that USC team. Are there whispers about how different of a dude he is? Yup. Dating all the way back to high school. Do I fear him being the face of a franchise during a bad stretch? Yup. Do I think he’s reading and taking in the talk of him being a generational talent (whatever that means)? Yup. But he has a clean slate in the NFL, period. This isn’t Johnny Manziel. I will not be surprised if the personality differences get ugly if things get bad, however. And for some, that is enough to look past him.

NFL Comparison: Kyler Murray / ARI
NFL Ceiling: Aaron Rodgers / NYJ


3. JJ McCarthy – Michigan – 6’2 / 219

Grade: 84


Junior entry. Two-year starter, La. Grange, IL. An accomplished lacrosse and hockey player in high school, McCarthy spent one season as a backup before winning the starting job in 2022 and eventually ascending to a National Champion and Manning Award finalist. He went 27-1 as a starter and set program single-season records in interception rate and completion percentage. Playing in a pro-style offense under Jim Harbaugh that was built on a power run game, McCarthy did not have the carry the team week in, week out. His drop back volume and overall need to spray it all over the field was did not reach the level of most others at the position. When it mattered, however, he showed clutch genes and dependable play. McCarthy is a very mature 21-year-old that is still only scratching the surface of what he can become. Focusing on what he does well in big moments on the national stage under the big lights gives the notion he can handle the pressure, literally and figuratively, of leading a team from under center. The fact he did not have to throw the ball as often can leave his projection a bit gray. However, considering how much this position is based on what goes on between the ears along with an ability to be a dual threat, McCarthy is set up for success at the next level and has several key variables made clear.

*I was asked a few times during the fall and December where McCarthy would go in the 2024 Draft if he were to come out. I said day two more times than I can count. Before the deep dive into all of his film from 2023 AND 2022, that is what his game looked like from the casual onlooker. I thought (and still think) he was best suited to return to school and be the unquestioned #1 overall guy in 2025. When he declared, I went all in on his film and came out with him being the #3 guy in this class. You want to know who was the best in class against pressure? McCarthy. What about the best on third + fourth down? McCarthy. What about protecting the football? McCarthy. Who’s played the most football in a pro-style offense? McCarthy. It was not enough to put him ahead of the other two, but I do think he is the number three guy and the most realistic option for NYG at 6 if they stay put. Now the question is, do you trade up for him to avoid getting leapfrogged by MIN? It is a tough call. NYG is not a quarterback away and they need the resources (draft picks) to build this thing long term. McCarthy is good, but I would not label him special. After a long time pondering, I came away saying I would not give anything more than a third-round pick to move up for him and my preference is to not trade up at all.

NFL Comparison: Rich Gannon / RET
NFL Ceiling: Joe Burrow / CIN


4. Drake Maye – North Carolina – 6’4 / 223

Grade: 83


Third-year sophomore entry, two-year starter. All-ACC both seasons, first team in 2022. Coming from an athletic family (two brothers and father played basketball at North Carolina, one played baseball at Florida), Maye has been waiting for his time seemingly forever. He arrived to the Tar Heels as a four-star recruit and backed up eventual NFL quarterback Sam Howell for a season. After the redshirt year he went on to win FWAA Freshman All-American honors, finished as a Manning Award finalist, and earned ACC Player of the Year honors with a dual-threat approach. His production coming from his arm and legs matched the levels we have seen from the likes of Kyler Murray, Deshaun Watson, Robert Griffin III, and Marcus Mariota to name a few. He led the team in rushing, but also set a program record with 38 passing touchdowns. He was just the fifth quarterback in ACC history to amass over 5,000 total yards. While Maye did see a dip in production in 2023 and there are specific elements to his game that absolutely need to be sharpened, he does show a prototype combination of traits to be a quality starter at the next level. He can make every throw at a high level, and he does a lot of good work on the move where he needs to be the creator. If he can gain more consistency with ball placement and become more confident in his decisions, the likelihood of him becoming a quality starting quarterback is high. The hesitation comes from inconsistent ball placement and random poor decisions he will make with the ball, both correctable issues if he can be put in the right position.

*I see Maye’s name thrown around into the Josh Allen/Justin Herbert section of projections. I can see why. The size and easy arm talent is close to (not quite there) those two. I do have Maye graded as the best pocket passer in the group. To some, that is enough to label him the guy in this class (or at least QB3) and I won’t argue against it. If I had to bet on who the NYG brass will make a move for, it is Maye. I’m simply worried about the inconsistency and step backwards he took in 2023. I don’t want to hear about a lack of supporting cast either. He had Josh Downs last year (Colts 2nd leading receiver as a rookie), and 2024 prospect Tez Walker in 2023 (and a RB that we will be talking about next year) along with a few others that will be in training camps / on pro rosters. It was not a poor supporting cast. Maye simply looks and plays like Tarzan some plays, looks and plays like Jane on others. The situation around him needs to be a certain way for it to work, more so than the other guys. The one positive NYG can be for him is the fact he will sit for a full season here. That is a must for him unless a team is fully loaded (which NYG is not). That can give this front office another 12 months to build the support system for him. Any of these four quarterbacks for NYG would be fully endorsed by me, but Maye is the one that scares me the most.

NFL Comparison: Jameis Winston / FA
NFL Ceiling: Eli Manning / RET


5. Bo Nix – Oregon – 6’2 / 214

Grade: 80


Five-year starter. All-Pac 12 in both 2023 and 2022, first team in 2023 in addition to winning the conference Offensive Player of the Year Award and a spot on the All-American Squad. Nix spent three years at Auburn, following in the footsteps of his father. He was the first true freshman to start under center for the program since 1946. The son of a legendary high school coach is battle tested. After winning the 2019 SEC Freshman of the Year award, his career began to spiral. He graduated in just three years and transferred to Oregon. He left there as the program’s all-time leader in completion percentage and set single season records in completions, yards, and passing touchdowns. His completion percentage in 2023 was an all-time NCAA record. Nix started more games under center than any other quarterback in FBS history. Simply put, this is a guy that is battle-tested, mentally and physically tough, and all-time productive. The physical traits are more than good enough to make everything happen on the field a quarterback needs to make happen.

*A big part of playing and evolving in the NFL at this position is the response to adversity. Not everyone wants to talk about it, but it is the truth. Nix has had almost unfair expectations put on his shoulders since he came out of high school. It went great, then it went horrible. Sounds like some of the young quarterbacks that flame out, right? Nix resurrected his career in a big way. Now, the fact he did it in the Pac-12 and not the SEC needs to be weighed (part of what makes the Daniels ascent special). But watch some of his early tapes at Auburn and watch his 2023 at Oregon; it is easy to see the contrast in him as a player. Nix is a guy I like a lot as a day two option for the Giants. Do I think he will be there? No. But I did not think Will Levis would fall to round 2 a year ago. It is a possibility. It would likely require a day 2 trade-up but there are options at #6 overall to trade down and pick up extra capital to offset any sort of loss. Or they can get a blue chip WR at #6 and make the aggressive move up in round 2 for a guy like Nix. I think his floor is what NYG currently has in Daniel Jones. His ceiling is something in the area of what Deshaun Watson was with Houston (pre-drama). Do you like the day two risk of Nix or the top 10 risk of one the guys above? Another tough call considering what else could come in through the door if they go receiver early.

NFL Comparison: Daniel Jones / NYG
NFL Ceiling: Deshaun Watson / CLE (from his HOU days)


6. Michael Penix Jr. - Washington – 6’2 / 216

Grade: 79


Sixth-year senior, five-year starter. Spent four seasons at Indiana where he earned All-Big Ten honors in 2020. Transferred to Washington in 2022 and earned All-Pac 12 honors in both 2023 and 2022. All-American in 2023 in addition to winning the Maxwell Award. Winner of the 2022 AP Comeback Player of the Year Award. Penix’s career was marred by injuries early on. He suffered four separate season endersto his right knee and both shoulders respectively. He was turning Indiana around in 2020, as he had them as highly ranked as number seven in the country and he was leading the Big Ten in passing before he went down. The transfer to Washington displayed what he was capable of. Penix did not miss a single game in two years, he set and then broke single season passing records for the program, and he led the nation in passing in both 2023 and 2022. He is battle tested and has come out on the other side of adversity a winner. He has more than enough arm talent and athletic ability to physically do it all. The lack of pressure he dealt with during his time at Washington from opposing pass rushers does leave some gray area around his projection. He did not always deal with tight windows and quality opposing defenses well. This is a wildcard-type prospect for multiple reasons, but one that has the ability to be an explosive play engineer.

*You ever golf with someone that is an absolute monster off the tee box? Forget everything else. He’s simply a dude every time he gets to tee it up, he launches it. That is Penix as a quarterback. He can make the explosive downfield passes with the be best. Because of scheme and who he had at receiver, Penix simply did not have to do a lot with crossers and/or west coast concepts. Because of his offensive line and poor Pac-12 pass rushes, he constantly had a ton of room to navigate within the pocket. The question that he enters the league with, beyond the scary medicals, is what he can do with his long drive off the tee box. Can he chip? Can he putt? Can get the approach shot over water and in front of the sand? How many clubs in that bag does he truly use at a high level? We just don’t know. There is a level of unknown to every prospect. That is what makes some of this playing darts with a blindfold on. Penix, if healthy and that is a big if, has as much arm talent as any of the guys listed above. For the record, the medicals downgraded him from an 82 grade. So don’t get it twisted. NYG in round two makes some sense as long as the medicals are clean but that would give NYG two quarterbacks with serious concerns in that area. Robbing Peter to pay Paul?

NFL Comparison: Marcus Mariota / WAS
NFL Ceiling: Jordan Love / GB


7. Joe Milton – Tennessee – 6’5 / 235

Grade: 75


Sixth-year senior. Two-year starter. Spent three seasons at Michigan before transferring to Tennessee in 2021 where he lost his job to Hendon Hooker (Detroit third round pick in 2023). Milton has rare arm strength combined with a plus-sized frame and easy confidence. The traits are there to create the high-ceiling outlook if he can be properly developed. In order for him to come anywhere near that ceiling, he needs a lot of ducks to line up perfectly. His mechanics, ability to read a defense, and accuracy all need significant upward strides, or the bottom is going to fall out fast. Hit or miss, star or castoff. A team will likely need to keep three quarterbacks on their 53-man roster for at least a full season because of how far away he is from being ready.

*If NYG is going to punt on quarterback early (which a case can be made for), Milton is a name to keep an eye on for day three. I think coaches will know within a year of working with him whether or not he can be a guy. That Tennessee offense is something else and while some will say it is too simple to project potential NFL success from, it can actually mean Milton has ability between the ears we don’t know about yet. Milton’s tools are as good as it gets. If the processing can catch up and his lower body can get more consistent, he’s 90% there. Some are fully out on Milton, I’m not. The NYG quarterback situation, if they don’t go QB early, is an ideal spot for a guy like Milton if you’re ok with three quarterbacks on the 53 and waving goodbye to Tommy Cutlets.

NFL Comparison: Jeff Driskel / WAS
NFL Ceiling: Carson Wentz / KC


8. Michael Pratt – Tulane – 6’2 / 217

Grade: 74


Four-year starter. All-AAC three straight years including first team honors in 2023 along with winning the Conference Offensive Player of the Year Award. Pratt turned the Tulane program around during his time under center. They had not reached double-digit wins since 1998 and they went 2-10 during Pratt’s first full season as the starter. He ended his career with two straight double digit-win seasons and a Cotton Bowl win over USC in January of 2023. His consistent ascent as a quarterback puts proof to the amount of work he puts in off the field. He is a plus-athlete and hard-nosed competitor that has the ability to lead through example. There are questions about his hip rotation and general feel for coverages, but the physical ability is there to be a true dual threat at the next level.

*Pratt is the kind of backup that can come in for a few weeks when your starter goes down with an injury and keeps it together. He can lead your team to a couple wins. I see some Josh Dobbs in his game but in terms of developing him into anything more, I’m not sure there is enough on tape to project anything more. The way he approaches his game and the mental side is ideal for any quarterback room, however. And the fact he put an entire program on his back and got it out of the basement means something. He can be a leader, one that makes a real difference beyond playing on the field.

NFL Comparison: Brandon Allen / SF
NFL Ceiling: Sam Howell / SEA


9. Spencer Rattler – South Carolina – 6’0 / 211

Grade: 74


Four-year starter. Spent three years at Oklahoma prior to transferring to South Carolina for his final two seasons. Following his redshirt season in 2019, Rattler burst on the scene in 2020, winning the Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year Award and first team All-Conference honors. He went 15-2 as a starter under Lincoln Riley. However, in 2021 he was benched week six for Caleb Williams. In total, Rattler started 42 games between the two programs. He won the team-MVP award both seasons with South Carolina and set a single season record for both completions and completion percentage. He is a gifted thrower with a lot of pro traits already developed in his game. The footwork, power created from his base, and pure arm talent all scream NFL starter. There is a lot of unknown to his game despite the heavy amount of experience. He rarely threw the ball deep and did not have a lot of success when doing so. He is undersized and he does not have standout athleticism. Rattler projects to a quality backup at the next level that has the arm talent and swagger to start if he can develop and hide the shortcomings he could not extinguish over the 42 college starts.

*There is a ton of love for Rattler around the league. It really seems like he is heading toward a round two slot. I can’t get there on him. There are too many components beyond looking good when you throw that matter to me. He falls below average in multiple areas of what I look for and there were some immaturity concerns that centered around him thinking he was better than he was. That did not factor into his grade, but it did help break the tie between a few guys. Rattler will look good enough to get you excited, but once the filters come off the finished product won’t be enough.

NFL Comparison: Bailey Zappe / NE
NFL Ceiling: Baker Mayfield / TB


10. Jordan Travis – Florida State – 6’1 / 200

Grade: 74


Sixth year senior. Four-year starter. All-ACC in both 2023 and 2022, first team in 2023. Won the ACC Offensive Player of the Year Award in 2023. Travis transferred to Florida State from Louisville in 2019 and leaves the storied program as one of the most accomplished and productive quarterbacks in its history. He set records in career touchdowns and total offense in addition to finishing atop the quarterback rushing record book and second in passing. His late-season ankle injury ended his final season early and hampered his pre-draft process. He proved to be capable of leading an offense and creating on his own with both his legs and arm. The creative playmaker protected the ball, came up big in clutch situations, and led by example. There are multiple physical shortcomings to his game that do limit his ceiling, but this will be a quality addition to anyone’s quarterback room and should be in the league for a long time as an athletically-biased backup.

*If you liked Bryce Young last year – you have to at least somewhat like Travis. There is a lot of Steph Curry in their games; undersized but slippery, weak but tough to get hands on, and always ready to fire even when he isn’t fully lined up. Travis’ significant broken leg suffered late in the year should keep him off the field 100% until training camp but that won’t impact the grade. He will be drafted to provide depth and in most cases, he will be the third guy. Is there potential for more? Yes. Travis has the gamer-trait in him that I’ve been drawn to since 2022. He is a quiet-leader type that teammates respond well to. If NYG wants to wait until the round 5/6 area for a new quarterback, Travis is on my short list of guys I want that I believe will be around.

NFL Comparison: John Wolford / TB
NFL Ceiling: Case Keenum / HOU


11. Kedon Slovis – BYU – 6’2 / 223

Grade: 71


Five-year starter. Spent three seasons at USC, where he won Pac 12 Freshman of the Year in 2019 and earned first team All-Pac 12 honors in 2020. Transferred to Pittsburgh in 2022 before ending up at Brigham Young in 2023. Slovis was heading for stardom after a historic true freshman season for one of the most followed college programs in the nation. It only declined from there to the point where he lost his job in 2021. He replaced Kenny Pickett at Pittsburgh but never quite took off, prompting the second transfer. Slovis’ completion percentage decreased all five years of his career. The primary concern is that he did not progress and there is a credible durability concern. He is an underrated athlete, however, and there are a lot of fundamentals to the position that look natural and consistent to the point where he can project to back up duty for years.

*Rewind back to 2019, the year in which he looked like a first rounder, and I was initially thinking this could be the next Josh Rosen! Yes, that Josh Rosen. Yes, arguably my worst miss as an evaluator at the quarterback position. That said, maybe the projection in 2019 does end up being accurate. Rosen is currently holding on for dear life as a backup and that is where I end up slotting Slovis. This is a guy that tested athletically much better than I anticipated. He looks good in workouts and has a very clean, mature way about him on and off the field. Things just don’t seem to click when he gets pushed away from his point. Despite the experience, Slovis never quite matched what we saw in 2019. Multiple programs but the same shortcomings. He can stick somewhere as a backup, though.

12. Devin Leary – Kentucky – 6’1 / 215

Grade: 71


Sixth-year senior. Five-year starter. Spent five seasons at North Carolina State before transferring to Kentucky in 2023. He suffered season ending injuries in both 2022 (shoulder) and 2020 (fibula). His best season came in 2021 where he broke the program record set by Philip Rivers for passing touchdowns. The highly experienced, tough-minded signal caller has the arm talent to make it at the next level. He has a small, but thick frame and a fast release. The accuracy woes led to a career high in interceptions and career low in completion percentage in his one season in the SEC. The starting point is strong enough to warrant a third string job for Leary, but he will need to prove he is more the 2021 version of himself than the 2023 one fast if he wants to stick to a roster long-term.

*Everyone that watches Leary throw the ball is impressed. Everyone. He can spin it as well as anyone. I’ve been keeping an eye on him since 2021 where he really caught fire and there were rumblings about him declaring for the draft. 2022 did not pan out. The transfer to Kentucky, replacing eventual second rounder Will Levis was a gamble, one with huge upside, also did not pan out. Leary is the kind of guy that looks better in workouts than on film. His response to pressure has never been good and he has enough experience in multiple systems with some solid-enough talent surrounding him to dampen his projection. Backup life is for him, one without much upside to be more.

13. Sam Hartman – Notre Dame – 6’1 / 211

Grade: 70


Sixth-year senior. Five-year starter. All-ACC in 2022 and 2021 before transferring to Notre Dame for 2023. Left Wake Forest as the all-time leader in yards, completions, and touchdowns and finished second all-time in ACC career yards. Hartman is a free-spirit type quarterback that will take chances, play strong against pressure, and bounce back from adversity. Hartman was one of only five FBS true freshmen to start week one in 2018 before losing his job a year later. Hartman won the job again in 2020 and never looked back. This is a guy that played well in multiple systems and was often playing against defenses more talented than what he was working with offensively. He won two separate bowl game MVP awards and has an immense amount of experience under his belt. Physically, Hartman can throw the deep ball with strength and precision. Mentally, he is the coachable type and brings a level of toughness to the team with the way he plays. He will be a backup that elevates the room but lacks the upside of anything more.

*Hartman does just enough to keep him in the discussion. He is a good kid, and he is the kind of guy that raises up the quarterback room behind closed doors. The experience he has as the poster boy of multiple college program shows the needed and desired maturity coaches want from their quarterbacks. When push comes to shove, I don’t think the talent is enough to project anywhere past third string.

14. Carter Bradley – South Alabama – 6’3 / 218

Grade: 68


Sixth-year senior. Three-year starter. Two-time All-Sun Belt. Spent four seasons at Toledo before transferring to South Alabama in 2022. Son of Colts Defensive Coordinator Gus Bradley. Carter never fully held the starting gig at Toledo but he did play a credible amount of snaps his final three seasons. He set a single season school record in his first year with South Alabama right away, putting himself on the NFL radar. While 2023 did not meet expectations, Bradley continued to build his reputation as a guy that can make every NFL throw while handling the mental capacity the position demands. The NFL lineage helps strengthen the notion.

*There is not much to get overly excited about with Bradley, but there is a safe feel to his game that was also seen at the Senior Bowl. He knows when to take chances and when to take the single. He plays smart. His knowledge of the game alone is worth looking at because that backup quarterback, in some cases, can be just as much of a coaching staff add-on.

15. Tanner Mordecai – Wisconsin – 6’2 / 210

Grade: 68


Sixth year senior. Three-year starter. Spent three seasons at Oklahoma before transferring to SMU, where he spent two years. Finished off at Wisconsin in 2023. All-AAC in 2021. Mordecai has had statistical successs in air-raid type offensive systems. He threw over 70 touchdowns and 7,000 yards over a two-year span. He can sling it and the athletic ability is up there with some of the best in the class. When he got matched up against a tougher schedule in the Big Ten, Mordecai did not raise his level of play. While he still has the occasional flash and his ability to run is always a threat, Mordecai proved that his ceiling is too low to credibly project anything more than a backup.

*This is a kid I found myself wanting to root for. In evaluation, you always need to be careful with a situation like that. It can hide the truth. The truth is Mordecai was in a QB-friendly system for years and it created a lot of production for him. He also turned the ball over too often in that system as well. I always speak about how I like Jayden Daniels ascending after transferring a level up to the SEC. Mordecai did the opposite at Wisconsin. The small hands factor into the equation as well but I still think he is worth a shot in training camp because the talent has always, and still is, there.

16-20

16. John Rhys Plumlee – Central Florida – 6’0 / 200: 67
17. Taulia Tagovailoa – Maryland – 5’10/202: 67
18. Jack Plummer – Louisville – 6’4 / 216: 67
19. Austin Reed – Western Kentucky – 6’1 / 220: 67
20. Jason Bean – Kansas – 6’1 / 184: 65

NYG APPROACH


The discussion that won’t go away. I don’t get to BBI much from January through March – but every time I do I see multiple threads on Daniel Jones and the future of the Giants quarterback position. The majority of fans seem ready to move on. The front office has been aggressive with their pursuit of scouting and information gathering around the quarterbacks in this class. And Joe Schoen did put in an out of the contract he signed him to after 2024. It is an expensive one, but nothing worth avoiding for financial reasons alone. So, where do they go with this top-six slot in the draft? Ironically, the same slot they chose Jones from in the 2019 NFL Draft.

I was skeptical that, after the seesaw relationship between this front office and Jones, that Schoen would pull the plug just six games (in a horrid situation) after signing him to the largest contract in franchise history. And to be real, there is a small(er) part of me that still feels that way. Do they believe in Jones? Hard to imagine especially with the two serious injuries suffered in 2023 alone. Does that mean they will go all-in on a new quarterback in 2024 which also means likely passing on a blue-chip receiver (arguably the top need on this team outside of QB)? That is where I’m coming from. NYG can punt on quarterback if their guy isn’t there and still walk away with a true nucleus player at a game-altering position. This would leave the future of this franchise on unstable ground, but whatever they end up doing in 2025 at the position would have a head start should they have a true number one target and a few solid accessory pieces to work with.

Now, if they do go quarterback with #6 overall (or higher with a trade up), who’s it gonna be? Here is where I currently see it:

Williams and Daniels are off the board
Minnesota is going to trade up for Maye or McCarthy
New England is 50/50 on taking Maye or McCarthy

So, odds are without a trade up, NYG will not get one of the top four quarterbacks. The only way I see it happening is if the Pats don’t want one. I do think it is possible they go the long-term route and build the supporting nucleus with Joe Alt or Marvin Harrison Jr. That would be best case scenario for NYG because even if they get leapfrogged by MIN, they still have the leftover between Maye/McCarthy. I have my preference, and it is the latter. But even with that, I don’t see “special”. I do see “better”. I do see “cheaper”. But keep in mind when it comes to that cheaper label, the economic advantage of the rookie quarterback window is only 2-3 years. They’re paying Jones big money in 2024 and the cap penalty for cutting him in 2025 is near $25 million. This situation is so much more complicated than it needed to be, much more than we want it to be.

So, such as in life, try to come up with simple solutions that chip away at the most glaring problems. The glaring problem on this roster both short and long term is a low ceiling quarterback situation in a league that is run by elite quarterbacks. NYG does not have one. They will not have the possibility of one until a new face comes in. NYG also has a shot at an elite wide receiver. The priority is the former and a sweet consolation prize is the latter. They are in the middle of a five-year rebuild with some key pieces in place. That said, they still are very far away from being a credible contender and because of the money already designated for Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence, they can’t afford to sell multiple future premium draft slots for a good, not great, quarterback prospect. The draft is where they need to build from with multiple doubles, triples, and maybe a couple of home runs.

NYG needs to stay at 6. Coin flip between the elite receiver & good, not great, quarterback. I do not see NYG being very competitive in 2025 so it could be in their best interest to move around the rest of draft weekend in an effort to pick up extra bullets for a trade up in 2025. That is my conclusion.
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RE: No QB guru here… but this class seems to be a bit overrated  
LittleBlue : 4/7/2024 10:27 am : link
In comment 16459390 Rick in Dallas said:
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I love Williams tool box but it doesn’t come without noted questions about his personality.
I would feel comfortable with McCarthy who was coached by Harbaugh.


This has been becoming more and more clear

I have a secret theory that all the QB nonsense is coming from the fans and we could see the 3rd and 4th QBs off the board slip into the late single digits.
I’d add that my lone issue with Daniels is that video  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/7/2024 10:27 am : link
I saw on Twitter of him taking numerous hellacious hits while at LSU. That combined with his slimness is worrisome. The thing that makes Lamar Jackson so special is that all of his running comes with this combination of athleticism and vision that allows him to avoid taking massive shots.

But even then, Lamar still gets hurt.

I think that the best use of running as a QB (if you don’t have bionic Josh Allen) was what Aaron Rodgers did in his prime. The running was something he’d dust off on third downs and it very rarely ended with him taking a hit. But good luck finding Aaron Rodgers in his prime.
Until we're confident we have at least a solid OL – not stellar, solid  
CT Charlie : 4/7/2024 10:29 am : link
– I wouldn't take a quarterback unless a great one drops in our lap. Lock and Jones are enough. Heck, we won games with Tommy D.
And I am pretty sure Larry Fitzgerald had a Hall of Fame QB  
ThomasG : 4/7/2024 10:30 am : link
throwing a lot of passes to him during his primetime years.
You  
Toth029 : 4/7/2024 10:30 am : link
Don't swing high on a QB who can't hit the ocean from a boat and is barely 6 foot tall.

Maye and McCarthy are miles ahead as prospects.
RE: FYI  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2024 10:31 am : link
In comment 16459392 Eric from BBI said:
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GoDeep just dropped a hint re the WRs.


What I miss?
RE: And I am pretty sure Larry Fitzgerald had a Hall of Fame QB  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/7/2024 10:32 am : link
In comment 16459402 ThomasG said:
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throwing a lot of passes to him during his primetime years.


You might want to revisit his history.
Arizona Cardinals: Larry Fitzgerald's NFL career has been even greater than you think - ( New Window )
RE: ThomasG  
Mike from Ohio : 4/7/2024 10:33 am : link
In comment 16459378 Eric from BBI said:
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I get it. But a bunch of BBIers wanted to "take a swing" at Malik Willis in the 1st round.

I also don't accept the argument that "the WR doesn't matter if you don't have the QB."

Like hell. Don't tell me Larry Fitzgerald didn't matter.


He didn’t matter if you are measuring wins. Fitzgerald won 5 playoff games in a 16 year career, with three of them coming when he had a HoF QB.

The risk here is watching one of these WRs be a fun highlight reel like OBJ was while the team continued to spin its wheels on competing.
RE: RE: FYI  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/7/2024 10:33 am : link
In comment 16459404 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16459392 Eric from BBI said:


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GoDeep just dropped a hint re the WRs.



What I miss?


It's in Rico's thread.
Sy-Maye devolved this past year  
AROCK1000 : 4/7/2024 10:34 am : link
And you said that IF JJ stayed around 1 more year,he would be QB-1 next year.
What if he too devolved in 2024 at Michigan?
RE: RE: FYI  
The_Boss : 4/7/2024 10:35 am : link
In comment 16459404 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16459392 Eric from BBI said:


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GoDeep just dropped a hint re the WRs.



What I miss?


Daboll loves Nabors
Eric/The Boss.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2024 10:36 am : link
Thanks. Just saw it. Well, based on recent history, betting on an LSU WR isn’t a bad play.
General question for Sy:  
CT Charlie : 4/7/2024 10:39 am : link
Over the years (not simply this year's draft) what positions are easiest and hardest to evaluate?

Ideally, I'd enjoy seeing your ranking of all positions from easiest to hardest for you (and most scouts) to assess success in the NFL.

Thank you – and great work, as always. I enjoy your writing style as much as the substance of your write-ups.
RE: RE: ThomasG  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/7/2024 10:41 am : link
In comment 16459407 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16459378 Eric from BBI said:


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I get it. But a bunch of BBIers wanted to "take a swing" at Malik Willis in the 1st round.

I also don't accept the argument that "the WR doesn't matter if you don't have the QB."

Like hell. Don't tell me Larry Fitzgerald didn't matter.



He didn’t matter if you are measuring wins. Fitzgerald won 5 playoff games in a 16 year career, with three of them coming when he had a HoF QB.

The risk here is watching one of these WRs be a fun highlight reel like OBJ was while the team continued to spin its wheels on competing.


Exactly. It took 4 years before Larry Fitzgerald played in a good offense (let alone a good team) and that was with Anquan freakin’ Boldin being the other receiver.
Mike from Ohio  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/7/2024 10:41 am : link
I get it. I really do.

But personally, I'm not taking the 5th quarterback in this draft at #6.

I'm also not trading away next year's #1 (which has a reasonable chance to be a top 10 pick) unless I am absolutely convinced the guy is going to be a top-8 player at his position in the NFL.

What I do is take the All-Pro WR, go with Drew Lock/the Italian Stallion/and later draft pick.
Nabers  
Sammo85 : 4/7/2024 10:45 am : link
Scares me the most of the receivers in terms of not working/meeting expectations and given the struggles Hyatt had getting on field people shouldn’t expect that much from Nabers either in 2024 if he’s a pick regardless if Daboll likes him a lot.

Our first rounder in 2024 is really a play into 2025 regardless of position.
RE: RE: And I am pretty sure Larry Fitzgerald had a Hall of Fame QB  
ThomasG : 4/7/2024 10:46 am : link
In comment 16459406 Eric from BBI said:
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throwing a lot of passes to him during his primetime years.



You might want to revisit his history. Arizona Cardinals: Larry Fitzgerald's NFL career has been even greater than you think - ( New Window )


LF was tremendous. Probably the second best WR ever behind Rice. His longevity, prowess playing outside and later inside and catching passes from many QBs as his career went on very long is amazing. It still doesn't change fact that he turned into a star early and often with Warner throwing his way, not Daniel Jones or Lock.
Eric…  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2024 10:46 am : link
No mention of DJ in that last post. You know something we don’t? I personally don’t want him to see the field this fall due to injury clause, but I’m probably naive that’ll happen.
RE: I think  
The Mike : 4/7/2024 10:47 am : link
In comment 16459282 Eric from BBI said:
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we need to be careful not to overrate this quarterback class. It seems like there is a feeding frenzy going on now among pundits and fans across the NFL.

I also think we need to be careful not to underrate what next year's class may be.

My point here, as much as we want to "fix" the QB position, is things have to align themselves correctly to do so.

The thing that bothers me is we only have six picks on a team that needs a lot of help. We really can't afford to be trading away current and future picks unless we are damn sure we are getting a stud QB.


This ^
RE: Mike from Ohio  
Mike from Ohio : 4/7/2024 10:48 am : link
In comment 16459421 Eric from BBI said:
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I get it. I really do.

But personally, I'm not taking the 5th quarterback in this draft at #6.

I'm also not trading away next year's #1 (which has a reasonable chance to be a top 10 pick) unless I am absolutely convinced the guy is going to be a top-8 player at his position in the NFL.

What I do is take the All-Pro WR, go with Drew Lock/the Italian Stallion/and later draft pick.


I am not arguing that the Giants have to take a QB at #6. What I am arguing is the point that a WR moves the needle for a team without a QB. It doesn’t. I hope if the Giants do take a WR at #6 (which I would prefer to picking McCarthy) then I hope they will start Lock who will at least attempt to push the ball down the field to Hyatt and MHJ/Nabers/Odunze.

If you are running Jones out there it is like drafting Nabers and tying cinder blocks around his ankles. We can get a WR in round 5 who can run 5 yard hitches for Jones.
RE: Eric…  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/7/2024 10:50 am : link
In comment 16459427 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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No mention of DJ in that last post. You know something we don’t? I personally don’t want him to see the field this fall due to injury clause, but I’m probably naive that’ll happen.


I don't know anything about his situation, but his injury history scares me. Part of me says play him, pray he rebounds, then trade him next offseason.

Part of me says, don't risk it. Let him sit to start the season. If Lock looks reasonable, simply change the narrative to "we don't want to make a QB switch at this point" and Jones never plays again for the Giants.

To be honest, I'm ore intrigued by Lock than some of the QBs in this draft.
I'd feel better punting QB if they cut Jones  
Sean : 4/7/2024 10:52 am : link
Draft a mid round QB and go with him, Lock & DeVito,
Mike from Ohio  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/7/2024 10:55 am : link
As I said, the best scenario is the Giants really like McCarthy and he falls to six. But mentally, I am preparing myself for that to not happen.

I also look at this roster and see that this team has no one on offense to scare anyone on defense. No one.

As others smarter than me have pointed out, if you add one of these #1 wide receivers to Hyatt, Robinson, and Slayton, the entire tone of the offense changes. A guy like Harrison, Odunze, or Nabers will make everyone else look better.

I also look at the rest of the roster, look at how many positions the Giants REALLY could use help at in round two: DT, CB, S, OT, OG, TE, RB.

This team can't afford to give away picks.
If the Giants do not draft a Rd 1 QB  
Mike from Ohio : 4/7/2024 10:55 am : link
I like the idea of taking Milton in the 3rd, letting him sit the entire year, and playing Lock. This team isn’t going to be very good this year, so if you get a WR at #6 play a QB who throws the ball down the field. Jones is done after this year. We don’t need to pay him $25M in 2025 because he got injured again.

If you watch football you know what Daniel Jones is. There is no mystery there and there is no “let’s see if…” with him. He is a finished product and that is QB2 on an NFL roster.
RE: LW_Giants  
jvm52106 : 4/7/2024 10:55 am : link
In comment 16459332 Eric from BBI said:
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Blah, blah, blah.

You know the point I'm making. If the talent isn't there, you end up with another non-answer at QB while watching Harrison, Nabers, and Odunze become All-Pro studs on other teams.

If your scouts, GM, and HC believe in the QB, you draft him. If they don't, you don't draft him.


Show me the all-pro studs at Without a QB!
RE: If the Giants do not draft a Rd 1 QB  
The Mike : 4/7/2024 10:58 am : link
In comment 16459438 Mike from Ohio said:
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I like the idea of taking Milton in the 3rd, letting him sit the entire year, and playing Lock. This team isn’t going to be very good this year, so if you get a WR at #6 play a QB who throws the ball down the field. Jones is done after this year. We don’t need to pay him $25M in 2025 because he got injured again.

If you watch football you know what Daniel Jones is. There is no mystery there and there is no “let’s see if…” with him. He is a finished product and that is QB2 on an NFL roster.


I would be fine with this. Cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical and run with Lock, Cutlets and Milton in this years quarterback room. And if there is any coach in the league who might be able to get something out of Milton, it is Daboll.
jvm52106  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/7/2024 10:59 am : link
I would say Eli wasn't playing very well when he had Odell Beckham.

But much of Larry Fitzgerald's career was spent with shit.

Calvin Johnson
Cris Carter
Tim Brown
Anquan Boldin
Torry Holt (look at who he played with for most of his career)
Steve Smith

Currently, Garrett Wilson and Terry McLaurin.
Thanks Sy  
Chocco : 4/7/2024 11:00 am : link
Milton has been most intriguing to me. I don't know if he hasn't been good enough to be the starter at Michigan or Tennessee or if he didn't have the opportunity. He was sneaky good 2022 behind Hooker and looked great last year in that offense. So interested to see how his career plays out.
RE: Mike from Ohio  
The Mike : 4/7/2024 11:01 am : link
In comment 16459437 Eric from BBI said:
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As I said, the best scenario is the Giants really like McCarthy and he falls to six. But mentally, I am preparing myself for that to not happen.

I also look at this roster and see that this team has no one on offense to scare anyone on defense. No one.

As others smarter than me have pointed out, if you add one of these #1 wide receivers to Hyatt, Robinson, and Slayton, the entire tone of the offense changes. A guy like Harrison, Odunze, or Nabers will make everyone else look better.

I also look at the rest of the roster, look at how many positions the Giants REALLY could use help at in round two: DT, CB, S, OT, OG, TE, RB.

This team can't afford to give away picks.


My greatest fear though is that Schoen recognizes that drafting a quarterback at six buys him time in his current job. So even if he doesn't have conviction on JJM, he takes him at six for precisely the wrong reason and then we suffer for years again watching them trying to make things work for a middling talent at quarterback...
The Mike  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/7/2024 11:02 am : link
One of the reasons why I don't give up the 2025 #1.
If you don't believe in the available QBs you don't use #6 on him  
PatersonPlank : 4/7/2024 11:03 am : link
To just take fliers every year on QBs you don't like in the first round would guarantee your team sucks until such time as you "get lucky", and then you start the rebuild.

If the guy(s) you want are gone you take someone else who will improve the team. I'd also take a mid-tier QB guy in the 3/4th rounds (like Milton). I'm ok with taking a flier on a guess in round 3/4 than round 1.
RE: RE: LW_Giants  
section125 : 4/7/2024 11:03 am : link
In comment 16459440 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 16459332 Eric from BBI said:


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Blah, blah, blah.

You know the point I'm making. If the talent isn't there, you end up with another non-answer at QB while watching Harrison, Nabers, and Odunze become All-Pro studs on other teams.

If your scouts, GM, and HC believe in the QB, you draft him. If they don't, you don't draft him.



Show me the all-pro studs at Without a QB!


That is not a reason to pass on a near All Pro WR. You have to accumulate top flight talent where you find it. Like saying don't draft a QB because the oline isn't good. Where does it end?
RE: The Mike  
The Mike : 4/7/2024 11:04 am : link
In comment 16459451 Eric from BBI said:
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One of the reasons why I don't give up the 2025 #1.


Exactly right.
The Mike  
Mike from Ohio : 4/7/2024 11:06 am : link
That is my concern as well. I think Schoen will feel pressure to get a QB they can sell to ownership and the fan base, and the most likely one there is McCarthy. I agree with Sy’s evaluation of McCarthy, which is why I would not take him at #6. I think he is a guy you aren’t going to want to sign to a big second contract, which means you are right back here in 2-3 years looking for a QB.

Now maybe Schoen and Daboll love McCarthy and think he is a special player? If they get him I hope they are right. But if Maye and Daniels are gone and the Giants are on the clock at #6, I will be praying for a WR.
Great  
AcidTest : 4/7/2024 11:06 am : link
review Sy.

This is pretty much where I am.

I am fine taking any of the "big four" QBs at #6, but I do not want to trade up for any of them, except maybe to #5 for #70. I don't see anything sufficiently special about any of them to justify giving up a ton of draft capital to do so.

If JJM is available at #6, it will be interesting to see if they take one of the "big three" WRs instead, or trade down. JJM might prompt enough interest to get someone to offer a ton of draft capital to move up to #6. I would still probably decline and take him instead.

I agree that Spencer Rattler reminds me of Baker Mayfield. I'd be fine taking him at #70 for that reason if we haven't already taken a QB.
RE: RE: Mike from Ohio  
AcidTest : 4/7/2024 11:08 am : link
In comment 16459449 The Mike said:
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In comment 16459437 Eric from BBI said:


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As I said, the best scenario is the Giants really like McCarthy and he falls to six. But mentally, I am preparing myself for that to not happen.

I also look at this roster and see that this team has no one on offense to scare anyone on defense. No one.

As others smarter than me have pointed out, if you add one of these #1 wide receivers to Hyatt, Robinson, and Slayton, the entire tone of the offense changes. A guy like Harrison, Odunze, or Nabers will make everyone else look better.

I also look at the rest of the roster, look at how many positions the Giants REALLY could use help at in round two: DT, CB, S, OT, OG, TE, RB.

This team can't afford to give away picks.



My greatest fear though is that Schoen recognizes that drafting a quarterback at six buys him time in his current job. So even if he doesn't have conviction on JJM, he takes him at six for precisely the wrong reason and then we suffer for years again watching them trying to make things work for a middling talent at quarterback...


This is a valid concern. In that situation, I would hope that he would either take one of the "big three" WRs, or trade down, since JJM could net a ton of draft capital from someone who wanted to move up to take him.
RE: Sean  
HardTruth : 4/7/2024 11:09 am : link
In comment 16459343 Eric from BBI said:
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You're kind of missing my point.

As I've said repeatedly the last few days, much of this out of the Giants hands right now.

They can't control what the Bears, Commanders, Pats, Cardinals, and Chargers will do. They can try to influence the last three teams, but ultimately those teams control the Giants' destiny.

It is very possible that four QBs go in the first four picks and the Giants are rebuffed in their trade-up attempts. It's also possible that those demands by other teams are too expensive (Pats wanting three #1 picks).



The Giants are currently in position to draft the #4 QB in this draft. Last I checked, the Vikings nor anyone else has successfully traded to 4 or 5 no matter how many mocks have assumed they have.

The QB expected to go 4th in this draft (JJ McCarthy) is rated 3rd here by a pro scout , SY, with a grade of 84.

To put that in perspective going to back to all of his QB grades dating back to 2013

1- Lawrence 95
2- Rosen 89
3- Burrow 87
4- Daniels 87
5- Williams 87
6- Mayfield 86
7- Goff 86
8- Tua 84
McCarthy 84

We have a QB currently expected to be there at 6 with a the 8th highest QB grade of the last 11 years.

You will note that everyone carrying a grade above an 84 went #1 in the draft except for Daniels who probably go 2 due to being in same draft as another guy with same grade and Rosen who dropped for character concerns.

The guy who graded with him at 84 went #5.

The Giants have never had the #1 pick so waiting around for a guaranteed stud QB, which is never going to happen anyway as no QB is guaranteed, is never going to happen and you are not likley based on the 11 years to get a guy graded this high at a pick this low.
RE: The Mike  
The Mike : 4/7/2024 11:10 am : link
In comment 16459457 Mike from Ohio said:
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That is my concern as well. I think Schoen will feel pressure to get a QB they can sell to ownership and the fan base, and the most likely one there is McCarthy. I agree with Sy’s evaluation of McCarthy, which is why I would not take him at #6. I think he is a guy you aren’t going to want to sign to a big second contract, which means you are right back here in 2-3 years looking for a QB.

Now maybe Schoen and Daboll love McCarthy and think he is a special player? If they get him I hope they are right. But if Maye and Daniels are gone and the Giants are on the clock at #6, I will be praying for a WR.


Completely agree.
RE: jvm52106  
jvm52106 : 4/7/2024 11:10 am : link
In comment 16459445 Eric from BBI said:
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I would say Eli wasn't playing very well when he had Odell Beckham.

But much of Larry Fitzgerald's career was spent with shit.

Calvin Johnson
Cris Carter
Tim Brown
Anquan Boldin
Torry Holt (look at who he played with for most of his career)
Steve Smith

Currently, Garrett Wilson and Terry McLaurin.



Again, Eli was on back 9 and what did we win with a WR buy a Declining QB. We have to go get our QB and this argument about the class is crazy. This is the best QB class since 18. Some will hit, some will miss and some will be a bust.. The thing is none of is know who those will be.. I am all in on Maye or JJM.
I really hate that those absolutely meaningless wins  
Mike from Ohio : 4/7/2024 11:11 am : link
This year against the Commanders mean they will walk away from this draft with Jayden Daniels, and we are talking about whether to start Jones or Drew Lock.

But I guess the culture created by those wins is something we can all enjoy this season.
Mentioned a while back  
Biteymax22 : 4/7/2024 11:12 am : link
having a “QB Guy” with a pretty outrageous track record of predicting success. This is a former coach who put a few QB’s in college, stopped coaching and his program hasn’t put one in since, and its been a long time…. He’s not a professional evaluator but a huge Giants fan, I also usually have to beg him to watch tape. I’ve sent him things on the top 4 and got these comments back:

Williams - I guess if I had to do grades, he’d get the top one because there’s so much talent, but I wouldn’t draft him. I see a Mahomes style player but Mahomes success isn’t all due to athletic ability, he doesn’t seem to have the other things Mahomes does

Daniels - Won’t survive but fun to watch

McCarthy - I can do something with him but I wouldn’t get excited about drafting him

Maye - This is the guy I want on the Giants, I see some Eli there where he’ll just stand in, take a shot and keep going. Thats what you need to play your career in NY.



Bonus on Nix - I do have a very, very close friend who’s nephew was a NCAA prospect and accepted a PWO role to be a redshirt QB for Oregon, he spent spring and summer with the team before decided he didn’t have a future in the sport and enrolling at a college closer to home and not playing football, he did however spend a lot of time with Nix when he was at Oregon as the coaches asked him to “Tie himself to Bo.”

His comments weren’t technical as he was a 17 year old kid, however he was in awe of how knowledgable Bo was about the game, stating multiple times that he knew more about football than most of the coached. What I thought was funny is that when he met him his first impression was “who’s this bumpkin?” Until they got into the position meetings and Bo started talking about the offense. Biased opinion from the kid, but he believes Nix should be in the first round.
My problem with Daniels is that...  
Milton : 4/7/2024 11:19 am : link
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his best football coming after he transferred into the SEC. The ability to process and get the ball out actually improved after making that jump in competition against NFL-caliber speed.
...can be instead viewed as "his best footaball coming after he had Nabers and Thomas to throw to" and "after having receivers who quickly got open".
RE: I really hate that those absolutely meaningless wins  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/7/2024 11:20 am : link
In comment 16459466 Mike from Ohio said:
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This year against the Commanders mean they will walk away from this draft with Jayden Daniels, and we are talking about whether to start Jones or Drew Lock.

But I guess the culture created by those wins is something we can all enjoy this season.


I think it was nearly impossible to outsuck the Pats that afternoon, but the Packers win was the real killer. EVERYTHING had set up perfectly that weekend draft wise and the combination of Packer injuries and them taking the Giants lightly led to this.

The lone positive is that there’s an elite prospect available at six even if it isn’t a QB. That’s not always true.
 
christian : 4/7/2024 11:23 am : link
My biggest fear is the Giants brought in a head coach with demonstrable ability to get the best out of QBs and the best they've given him is Daniel Jones.
HardTruth  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/7/2024 11:23 am : link
The deals are going to go down on draft day. Everyone is waiting to see what Washington does.
RE: HardTruth  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2024 11:27 am : link
In comment 16459478 Eric from BBI said:
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The deals are going to go down on draft day. Everyone is waiting to see what Washington does.


Man, that Thursday can’t come soon enough. Haha.
Mike from Ohio  
The Mike : 4/7/2024 11:28 am : link
After his colossal failure in awarding the DJ contract, Schoen's biggest mistake in his tenure was not trading Barkley and McKinney at the trade deadline this past October. Had he done so, he would have received several 2024 day two picks AND it would be all but certain that we would have lost at least two of the four games we went on to win (GB, WASH, NE and PHIL). And would probably be picking second and getting one of the two quarterback prizes in this year's draft.

It wasn't about tanking. It was about managing the roster to ensure proper outcomes. As it stands, we got nothing for either Barkley or McKinney, who will now compete directly against us, and we got meaningless wins that literally hand over perhaps the biggest prize of the 2024 draft, at least according to Sy, to the one rival whom we have actually had success against over the last decade.
Biteymax22  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/7/2024 11:30 am : link
Thanks for sharing.

That's gold Jerry, gold!
RE: Mike from Ohio  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/7/2024 11:32 am : link
In comment 16459481 The Mike said:
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After his colossal failure in awarding the DJ contract, Schoen's biggest mistake in his tenure was not trading Barkley and McKinney at the trade deadline this past October. Had he done so, he would have received several 2024 day two picks AND it would be all but certain that we would have lost at least two of the four games we went on to win (GB, WASH, NE and PHIL). And would probably be picking second and getting one of the two quarterback prizes in this year's draft.

It wasn't about tanking. It was about managing the roster to ensure proper outcomes. As it stands, we got nothing for either Barkley or McKinney, who will now compete directly against us, and we got meaningless wins that literally hand over perhaps the biggest prize of the 2024 draft, at least according to Sy, to the one rival whom we have actually had success against over the last decade.


Exactly. The McKinney situation is not getting enough attention.

They obviously had reservations because they went out of their way to say they would NOT re-do his contract during the season. And they knew he was pissed about that.

Not only do you lose an asset (2nd rounder?), but you'd have a better read on Belton and Owens too.
RE: I really hate that those absolutely meaningless wins  
BigBlueShock : 4/7/2024 11:33 am : link
In comment 16459466 Mike from Ohio said:
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This year against the Commanders mean they will walk away from this draft with Jayden Daniels, and we are talking about whether to start Jones or Drew Lock.

But I guess the culture created by those wins is something we can all enjoy this season.

Why do you assclowns keep posting this over and over and over again? What purpose does it serve? The fact that you think how fans enjoy wins actually affects the outcomes of games is astonishing. They won the fucking games. Nothing you or I could have done to change that. And NFL teams don’t tank. It’s great you get to sit on your nasty ass sofa and think professionals should go out there and lay down like dogs but that’s why they are where they are and you aren’t. STOP bitching about stupid shit that we can’t control. It’s beyond redundant at this point FFS.
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