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Athletic's New Mock: Giants trade out of 6

Sky King : 4/8/2024 3:35 pm
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6. Chicago Bears (from NYG)*: Malik Nabers, WR, LSU

Projected trade: Chicago trades No. 9, No. 75 and a 2025 mid-round pick to the New York Giants for No. 6

It’s certainly possible Chicago can wait at No. 9 and still get one of these receivers for Williams. But it’s also possible the Bears will feel like they have to move up. Nabers, Harrison or Rome Odunze might be way too tempting to pass on in this situation.

9. New York Giants (from CHI)*: Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia

If the Giants want to be aggressive and add a young QB this year, that’s fine. However, the new guy would have the same problem Daniel Jones has: There’s not enough help. New York needs to build out the roster, and Bowers would be a great place to start.

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BTW  
Sky King : 4/8/2024 3:35 pm : link
QB's go 1,2,3,4.
that's a dreadful return  
KDavies : 4/8/2024 3:39 pm : link
and selection IMO
I think I’d turn off the draft  
eric2425ny : 4/8/2024 3:40 pm : link
if this happened. If four QB’s go 1-4 draft the best receiver at 6 and move on. If you can trade back in for Penix do it.

Drafting a TE makes no sense that high. Another short to mid range target to clog up the middle of the field.
That's a terrible haul for a trade down  
GFAN52 : 4/8/2024 3:40 pm : link
you need 2025 1st or 2nd.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2024 3:43 pm : link
I read that this morning and thought about making a thread on it, but thought better of it because it is complete trash.

At least Manny would be pleased with Bowers.
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Go Terps : 4/8/2024 3:45 pm : link
Weapons for Daniel. Again.
Are we still doing April fool's jokes  
SirLoinOfBeef : 4/8/2024 3:53 pm : link
?
Trading back and coming away with Bowers  
Mike from Ohio : 4/8/2024 4:05 pm : link
Is simply a terrible draft.
Is this the one  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/8/2024 4:07 pm : link
posted earlier where the Giants only get an extra 3rd rounder?

If so? LOL
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TyreeHelmet : 4/8/2024 4:08 pm : link
In comment 16461029 Go Terps said:
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Weapons for Daniel. Again.


Funny how that's never brought up about Jordan Love...

That is an awful trade for the Giants.
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section125 : 4/8/2024 4:10 pm : link
In comment 16461029 Go Terps said:
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Weapons for Daniel. Again.


Bowers will never be their pick - never.

If that was me, I'd take Nix or Penix at 9. And yes #75 is nowhere near enough, They'd need to cough up 2025 #1...
A Bears fan authored this?  
pjcas18 : 4/8/2024 4:13 pm : link
they leave the draft with Williams and Nabors and it only costs them a 3rd and a 2025 mid-round pick?

If I were the Bears I'd like it but I don't think its realistic for the Giants.
Did Waller tell the Athletic something we do not know?  
George from PA : 4/8/2024 4:13 pm : link
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Well a trade and then pick like that  
moespree : 4/8/2024 4:17 pm : link
Should get everyone in the front office fired. So I don't know what kind of drugs the person who wrote the article is on, but safe to say I doubt any of that would happen.
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Go Terps : 4/8/2024 4:19 pm : link
In comment 16461075 section125 said:
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Weapons for Daniel. Again.



Bowers will never be their pick - never.

If that was me, I'd take Nix or Penix at 9. And yes #75 is nowhere near enough, They'd need to cough up 2025 #1...


So you'd take Penix or Nix at 9 but not at 6?
Okay with trading down and Bowers is a great pick  
Metnut : 4/8/2024 4:30 pm : link
in that spot at a huge area of need but a 3rd round pick isn't close to enough for me to pass on one of these stud WRs.

Would need at least a 2025 2nd and a 2024 4th to really think about it.
I like Bowers, too, but we need a better return to move down to 9 as  
Ira : 4/8/2024 4:34 pm : link
others have said.
Schoen  
Toth029 : 4/8/2024 4:40 pm : link
Isn't drafting a TE in the top 10 with all the holes on the roster.

And the Bears would be sending more than that.
The trade value chart is one hell of a drug.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/8/2024 4:45 pm : link
Yes, the point values are about right. But the thinking behind this trade has to be: how can I get the Bears a clean shot at Nabers when they only have two picks left?

Whether the deal makes any sense for the Giants seems to have been an afterthought. If they don’t want Nabers or Odunze, the Falcons probably will, with a better offer.
If this is the same as the  
LW_Giants : 4/8/2024 4:47 pm : link
Athletic mock posted earlier today, then it's not nearly enough of a return for the Giants to make this trade.
RE: I think I’d turn off the draft  
ZoneXDOA : 4/8/2024 5:05 pm : link
In comment 16461021 eric2425ny said:
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if this happened. If four QB’s go 1-4 draft the best receiver at 6 and move on. If you can trade back in for Penix do it.

Drafting a TE makes no sense that high. Another short to mid range target to clog up the middle of the field.
Have you seen Brock Bowers? Mind you, I agree... Take one of the top WR... But Bowers is not just ANY TE... He will be drafted in that 9-11 spot FOR SURE. He's a total game changer!
Bowers does run a very strong 5 yard slant  
PatersonPlank : 4/8/2024 5:07 pm : link
Could be a good fit with DJ
Adding Bowers to this roster would be Kyle Pitts to Atlanta  
Strahan91 : 4/8/2024 5:11 pm : link
all over again
RE: Bowers does run a very strong 5 yard slant  
IchabodGiant : 4/8/2024 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16461175 PatersonPlank said:
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Could be a good fit with DJ


LOL
This team drops out of the top 6  
j_rud : 4/8/2024 5:14 pm : link
in a top heavy draft for a 3rd round pick to select a TE and it'll be time to find a new sport.
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section125 : 4/8/2024 5:18 pm : link
In comment 16461103 Go Terps said:
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Weapons for Daniel. Again.



Bowers will never be their pick - never.

If that was me, I'd take Nix or Penix at 9. And yes #75 is nowhere near enough, They'd need to cough up 2025 #1...



So you'd take Penix or Nix at 9 but not at 6?


Not if I could make a trade for extra pick(s). Not sure I would straight up, no, at this point in time. I am not an absolute 100% QB or bust fan. McCarthy, yes. Maye, probably yes.
Would I cry if they did take Penix or Nix at #6, no. Perhaps my darkside would do it.

I absolutely have no clue as to how Schoen and Daboll feel about those two - I suspect Nix might be 2nd round only.

Am I hemming and hawing? You bet your ass I am.
RE: That's a terrible haul for a trade down  
k2tampa : 4/8/2024 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16461022 GFAN52 said:
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you need 2025 1st or 2nd.


To move down three spots? Be realistic.
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56goat : 4/8/2024 6:01 pm : link
In comment 16461029 Go Terps said:
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Weapons for Daniel. Again.


Cause that is the only reason DJ hasn't been successful so far...
RE: RE: That's a terrible haul for a trade down  
GFAN52 : 4/8/2024 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16461248 k2tampa said:
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you need 2025 1st or 2nd.



To move down three spots? Be realistic.


You're giving up the opportunity at a QB or top WR, so yes I would want a 2025 1st or 2nd.
This would be just awful  
Doubledeuce22 : 4/8/2024 7:30 pm : link
I’d rather Maye or Penix at 6 and I hate both of those as well.
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section125 : 4/8/2024 7:41 pm : link
In comment 16461256 GFAN52 said:
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you need 2025 1st or 2nd.



To move down three spots? Be realistic.



You're giving up the opportunity at a QB or top WR, so yes I would want a 2025 1st or 2nd.


Agree. You want to move up...gonna cost more than a 3rd.
so we give up a top three receiver for a tight end?  
kelly : 4/8/2024 7:47 pm : link
at 240 pounds he is not a two way tight end. Maybe we can trade and get Engram back.

No thank you.
Just saw my name mentioned .......  
Manny in CA : 4/8/2024 9:23 pm : link

I'd LOVE to scoop up Bowers at Round 1 (#9).

In case you were hiding under a rock and missed how bad our O-line sucked. that #75 pick (3rd round pick from the Bears would help a lot. Here's how my revised draft would look ...

Round 1 (#9) - Brock Bowers, tight end, Georgia
Round 2 (#47) - Bo Nix, QB, Oregon
Round 3A (#70) - Tykee Smith, Safety, Georgia
Round 3B (#75) - Sedrick Van Pran, Center , Georgia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wWK3S35LeY

His honors - 2023: First Team All-American by ESPN and Sports Illustrated...Second Team All-American by AFCA, AP, CBS, Fox Sports, FWAA, The Sporting News, The Athletic and Walter Camp...recipient of SEC Jacobs Blocking Trophy...AP and Coaches All-SEC First Team selection, earning unanimous selection to AP roster...finalist for Rimington Trophy...named to Midseason All-America Team by AP (Second) and ESPN.
Note: JMS is our center, but this guy can compete at a HIGH level for one of the guard positions.

Round 4 (#107) Braelon Allen, RB
Round 5 (#166)Curtis Jacobs, LB
Round 6 (#183) Jaxon, WR
RE: that's a dreadful return  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 4/9/2024 8:20 am : link
In comment 16461018 KDavies said:
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and selection IMO



I don't mind bowers but missing out on a top wr for a 3rd and 5th is bs
RE: Did Waller tell the Athletic something we do not know?  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/9/2024 8:26 am : link
In comment 16461089 George from PA said:
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Would he have to?

At 32, with a chronic hamstring issue, years of injuries, and an expressed uncertainty about retirement, Waller isn't exactly a name anyone should be writing in pen on the Giants' depth chart.

Bowers would be a bad pick on its own merit (largely due to his position and the relative value of the rookie contract in the top-10), but it would have very little to do with some sort of redundancy with Waller.
RE: RE: I think I’d turn off the draft  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/9/2024 8:28 am : link
In comment 16461172 ZoneXDOA said:
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if this happened. If four QB’s go 1-4 draft the best receiver at 6 and move on. If you can trade back in for Penix do it.

Drafting a TE makes no sense that high. Another short to mid range target to clog up the middle of the field.

Have you seen Brock Bowers? Mind you, I agree... Take one of the top WR... But Bowers is not just ANY TE... He will be drafted in that 9-11 spot FOR SURE. He's a total game changer!

I've watched enough Georgia games to know that he doesn't actually change the game.

He's a good player, but not one that's worthy of hyperbole.
RE: Just saw my name mentioned .......  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/9/2024 8:31 am : link
In comment 16461477 Manny in CA said:
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I'd LOVE to scoop up Bowers at Round 1 (#9).

In case you were hiding under a rock and missed how bad our O-line sucked. that #75 pick (3rd round pick from the Bears would help a lot. Here's how my revised draft would look ...

Round 1 (#9) - Brock Bowers, tight end, Georgia
Round 2 (#47) - Bo Nix, QB, Oregon
Round 3A (#70) - Tykee Smith, Safety, Georgia
Round 3B (#75) - Sedrick Van Pran, Center , Georgia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wWK3S35LeY

His honors - 2023: First Team All-American by ESPN and Sports Illustrated...Second Team All-American by AFCA, AP, CBS, Fox Sports, FWAA, The Sporting News, The Athletic and Walter Camp...recipient of SEC Jacobs Blocking Trophy...AP and Coaches All-SEC First Team selection, earning unanimous selection to AP roster...finalist for Rimington Trophy...named to Midseason All-America Team by AP (Second) and ESPN.
Note: JMS is our center, but this guy can compete at a HIGH level for one of the guard positions.

Round 4 (#107) Braelon Allen, RB
Round 5 (#166)Curtis Jacobs, LB
Round 6 (#183) Jaxon, WR

In case you missed how bad our OL sucks, here's a make-believe draft that barely addresses OL at all, and does so with a position change for a prospect that many consider center-only.

Why is it so difficult to have the premise and the conclusion align?
OK , Gator ...  
Manny in CA : 4/9/2024 10:14 pm : link

1. Van Pran is very good (All America player), as he is, is not a "hardly" addition

2. Your point about drafting a center to play guard is valid, my argument is that has been done with high draft pick centers in the past. I'm thinking Frank Ragnow by the Lions. (He did eventually go back to center)

3. From what I've read about Van Pran and see in his highlight, he has ver quick feet, and strays low (and therefore is not bullied by defensive Nose Guards). I see him as possibly an excellent Left Offensive Guard, who can protect the QBs blind side and pull on running plays
RE: OK , Gator ...  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/10/2024 9:24 am : link
In comment 16462978 Manny in CA said:
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1. Van Pran is very good (All America player), as he is, is not a "hardly" addition

2. Your point about drafting a center to play guard is valid, my argument is that has been done with high draft pick centers in the past. I'm thinking Frank Ragnow by the Lions. (He did eventually go back to center)

3. From what I've read about Van Pran and see in his highlight, he has ver quick feet, and strays low (and therefore is not bullied by defensive Nose Guards). I see him as possibly an excellent Left Offensive Guard, who can protect the QBs blind side and pull on running plays

1. I didn't use the word "hardly" so I'm not sure why you put quotes around it.

2. Not all C/G prospects are the same. Some have OG experience, some have OG size/skills/traits, and some are viewed as "center-only" which is where Van Pran tends to land with most evaluators.

3. See 2.
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