But, what would JJM have done last season if he played for Washington with their WR talent and schedule. I suspect his numbers would have been outstanding and we would be talking JJM in top 3 without any question...
So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
He stunk vs Oregon State, Arizona State, and Washington State too.
So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
It’s one game but it is as a yellow flag for me …. He (Penix) did not look good with all eyes on him …..
IMO, just as an above average QB. Nothing special.
What made Eli special is that when it really mattered, he elevated his game and his team. Twice. And beating the GOAT.
Eli had his share of clunkers. But in a sport where Championships are everything, Eli was the best when it mattered most.
Now that I give it more thought, the difference is that Eli helped elevate an inferior team to victory over perhaps the best team in NFL history. JJM already had the best team.
If JJM gets drafted by the Giants I can already see how this is
So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
It’s one game but it is as a yellow flag for me …. He (Penix) did not look good with all eyes on him …..
It wasn’t so much the eyes as it was the pass rush
IMO, just as an above average QB. Nothing special.
What made Eli special is that when it really mattered, he elevated his game and his team. Twice. And beating the GOAT.
Eli had his share of clunkers. But in a sport where Championships are everything, Eli was the best when it mattered most.
Exactly my point, so taking away MI's nation championship for discussion sake is just a waste of time and has no bearing on reality...
Now that I give it more thought, the difference is that Eli helped elevate an inferior team to victory over perhaps the best team in NFL history. JJM already had the best team.
Exactly my point... you can't take away someone's biggest accomplishments "for discussion sake." Yes, JJM handed the ball off a lot. Is that his fault?
how some people dig their heels in on an argument, unwilling to look at the bigger picture.
Tom Brady was a late round draft pick. Brock Purdy late round draft pick- exceptions to the rule, sure. However we see plenty of bigtime guys struggle:
Darnold
Rosen- never did anything
Mayfield- good but not #1 pick good
Trubisky- now back to Bills (technically his 4th stop)
Zach Wilson- bust
Lance- on team two already
Mac Jones- team 2
Fields- team 2
Haskins- did nothing was moved to another team, has since passed away
Daniel Jones- we all know that one
Patrick Mahomes was rated as a low 20's and beyond guy and was picked in the middle of the first round..
The point is, nobody KNOWS anything right now about who will succeed and who won't succeed in the NFL. BUT- stop shooting down a guy (JJM) because he didn't have gaudy numbers in the wide open NCAA.. Look at traits- smart, quick and decisive with throws, mitigates and eliminates mistakes, moves the chains etc.. Those guys are winners, those guys keep you in games and find ways to win. Right now we have had NONE of that at QB for a long time.
SURE, I want the HOF, SB winning QB but nobody knows who those guys are when drafted. You learn that after the fact.
Trevor Lawrence, Herbert, Love and now Stroud are all guys who have put up numbers early but haven't won anything. I would still take ANY of them at QB here for the Giants over what we have now.
I am still standing by wanting Maye 1st but JJM is not that far off from him..
Now that I give it more thought, the difference is that Eli helped elevate an inferior team to victory over perhaps the best team in NFL history. JJM already had the best team.
Exactly my point... you can't take away someone's biggest accomplishments "for discussion sake." Yes, JJM handed the ball off a lot. Is that his fault?
It’s why the casual fan has difficulty projecting his abilities to the next level.
But seems Sy and others who put in the work and are in the best position to render an opinion - think he’s a top prospect.
To that point - perhaps it was only in those big situations with the game on the line that he was asked/required to do more.
pound the table for Malik Willis one year, and then almost completely dismiss a prospect like McCarthy the next, while at the same time oddly comparing him to Daniel Jones when there is very little comparison to be made.
similarly to how he's viewed now - bama game was more impressive
than NCG. After the OSU game Brugler had him in the first round of his mocks and it was clear he was a first round qb at least to me, just didnt know if he'd come out since it was such a good year for QBs at top of draft. JJ Mccarthy thread from November - ( New Window )
Patrick Mahomes was rated as a low 20's and beyond guy and was picked in the middle of the first round..
Is 10 the middle of 32?
Semantics aside- and beings narky- he wasn't the top rated player or QB in that draft.. The point is, if people knew he was going to be all world he would have gone 1.. Then again, people though Leaf was better than Manning coming out too.. But- thats ok, you can be snarky.
Patrick Mahomes was rated as a low 20's and beyond guy and was picked in the middle of the first round..
Is 10 the middle of 32?
Semantics aside- and beings narky- he wasn't the top rated player or QB in that draft.. The point is, if people knew he was going to be all world he would have gone 1.. Then again, people though Leaf was better than Manning coming out too.. But- thats ok, you can be snarky.
It's not being snarky. You can make your point without exaggerating or being factually incorrect.
Mahomes is Mahomes because he's very talented and because he was drafted by a great quarterback coach. That very coach traded up to draft him because he recognized the talent.
If your point is sometimes the players picked later are better than players before them, cool.
These arguments never make sense to me. He did win the championship.
Think of him as you may, but winning the national championship doesn't happen without him.
Be able to separate him from winning the national championship as opposed to him as a prospect.
I guess to answer the initial question, yes, he is being pushed up draft boards. But that happens every single year with all 1st round or fringe 1st round QB's.
it would have impacted his standing very much. He already showed enough in other big games. If UW was more competitive maybe he is asked to do more and he stands out even in a loss.
There are a few posters who post the most about QB play seem to understand little about the position and what matters imv.
So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
It’s one game but it is as a yellow flag for me …. He (Penix) did not look good with all eyes on him …..
Neither did JJ McCarthy in that game. Actually, Penix was better that McCarthy in that game.
pound the table for Malik Willis one year, and then almost completely dismiss a prospect like McCarthy the next, while at the same time oddly comparing him to Daniel Jones when there is very little comparison to be made.
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5. Bo Nix – Oregon – 6’2 / 214
Grade: 80
Five-year starter. All-Pac 12 in both 2023 and 2022, first team in 2023 in addition to winning the conference Offensive Player of the Year Award and a spot on the All-American Squad. Nix spent three years at Auburn, following in the footsteps of his father. He was the first true freshman to start under center for the program since 1946. The son of a legendary high school coach is battle tested. After winning the 2019 SEC Freshman of the Year award, his career began to spiral. He graduated in just three years and transferred to Oregon. He left there as the program’s all-time leader in completion percentage and set single season records in completions, yards, and passing touchdowns. His completion percentage in 2023 was an all-time NCAA record. Nix started more games under center than any other quarterback in FBS history. Simply put, this is a guy that is battle-tested, mentally and physically tough, and all-time productive. The physical traits are more than good enough to make everything happen on the field a quarterback needs to make happen.
*A big part of playing and evolving in the NFL at this position is the response to adversity. Not everyone wants to talk about it, but it is the truth. Nix has had almost unfair expectations put on his shoulders since he came out of high school. It went great, then it went horrible. Sounds like some of the young quarterbacks that flame out, right? Nix resurrected his career in a big way. Now, the fact he did it in the Pac-12 and not the SEC needs to be weighed (part of what makes the Daniels ascent special). But watch some of his early tapes at Auburn and watch his 2023 at Oregon; it is easy to see the contrast in him as a player. Nix is a guy I like a lot as a day two option for the Giants. Do I think he will be there? No. But I did not think Will Levis would fall to round 2 a year ago. It is a possibility. It would likely require a day 2 trade-up but there are options at #6 overall to trade down and pick up extra capital to offset any sort of loss. Or they can get a blue chip WR at #6 and make the aggressive move up in round 2 for a guy like Nix. I think his floor is what NYG currently has in Daniel Jones. His ceiling is something in the area of what Deshaun Watson was with Houston (pre-drama). Do you like the day two risk of Nix or the top 10 risk of one the guys above? Another tough call considering what else could come in through the door if they go receiver early.
NFL Comparison: Daniel Jones / NYG
NFL Ceiling: Deshaun Watson / CLE (from his HOU days)
So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
It’s one game but it is as a yellow flag for me …. He (Penix) did not look good with all eyes on him …..
Neither did JJ McCarthy in that game. Actually, Penix was better that McCarthy in that game.
Lol in what ways? Throwing bad picks? Missing wide open receivers???
pound the table for Malik Willis one year, and then almost completely dismiss a prospect like McCarthy the next, while at the same time oddly comparing him to Daniel Jones when there is very little comparison to be made.
I'll stand corrected, but I don't recall comparing McCarthy to Jones. In fact, I was recently why arguments could actually be made to draft McCarthy early (5-star recruit, big time program, performance, etc) versus Jones.
Further, for the uninformed, I have also said if we do draft McCarthy I could live with it because he would be the most talented QB on the roster.
I did make a joking comment that the fervent support many on this board had/have for McCarthy was akin to the DJFC. And then I proceeded to declare them the JJFC. BFD.
RE: RE: RE: In this scenario, that means Penix won.
So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
It’s one game but it is as a yellow flag for me …. He (Penix) did not look good with all eyes on him …..
Neither did JJ McCarthy in that game. Actually, Penix was better that McCarthy in that game.
No he didn't.
RE: RE: RE: RE: In this scenario, that means Penix won.
Now that I give it more thought, the difference is that Eli helped elevate an inferior team to victory over perhaps the best team in NFL history. JJM already had the best team.
I am sorry that team on Feb 3 2008 was not inferior by much if any.. People think that because of how the 2007 season started that the Feb 3 2008 team was just meh... but between 1/6/2008 (game after Pats regular season where Eli actually became Eli) and 11/28/2008 (when our best offensive player shot himself and the defensive captain was caught up in the gun controvesy) we were 15-1.. and those 15 wins include wins against:
18-0 Pats
13-3 Packers
13-3 Cowboys
2009 SB champions
2009 SB losers
2009 AFC championship game loser
2009 NFC championship game loser..
Thats 7 out of 8 wins against championship level teams..
Thats not some luck against one team where Eli saved the day and was the reason why we won.. That was a damn good OL, an all world DL and defensive front 7.. a great WR without whom the offense crumbled.. A set of 3 RBs that combined were as good as any in the league..
Now that I give it more thought, the difference is that Eli helped elevate an inferior team to victory over perhaps the best team in NFL history. JJM already had the best team.
I am sorry that team on Feb 3 2008 was not inferior by much if any.. People think that because of how the 2007 season started that the Feb 3 2008 team was just meh... but between 1/6/2008 (game after Pats regular season where Eli actually became Eli) and 11/28/2008 (when our best offensive player shot himself and the defensive captain was caught up in the gun controvesy) we were 15-1.. and those 15 wins include wins against:
18-0 Pats
13-3 Packers
13-3 Cowboys
2009 SB champions
2009 SB losers
2009 AFC championship game loser
2009 NFC championship game loser..
Thats 7 out of 8 wins against championship level teams..
Thats not some luck against one team where Eli saved the day and was the reason why we won.. That was a damn good OL, an all world DL and defensive front 7.. a great WR without whom the offense crumbled.. A set of 3 RBs that combined were as good as any in the league..
I think about this a good bit. Nice post.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: In this scenario, that means Penix won.
This board will become more unbearable from the same posters and their schtick like they do with Jones.
Nauseating.
Hear me out... You have made it impossible to tell which unbearable schtick you are referring to. The "Jones is 100% a franchise QB without question" schtick or the "Jones SUCKS and will never be a starter again and we should throw away our future gambling on the 4th best QB which would make my perpetually angry self very happy for 30 seconds" Schtick? Because IMHO they are both pretty exhausting.
But keep trying. You must be thinking of Producer.
Oh, you are dep. That explains a lot of your belly aching about Sherrone Moore's offense last season.
As to the OP - I don't really understand the point of these counterfactuals. Real life is not some Marvel What If comicbook that is just reimagined fiction.
If Jim Fassle won the 2000 Superbowl, how would he be viewed?
If Pippen didn't have Jordan, how....
If the 94 Rangers didn't win the cup, how...
If you had only married that pretty chick you want on one date with, how....
The point is, he DID win a national championship. Taking that away even for discussion is pointless.
In the championship game that Michigan won over Washington won, McCarthy handed off a lot.
Nauseating.
He stunk vs Oregon State, Arizona State, and Washington State too.
It’s one game but it is as a yellow flag for me …. He (Penix) did not look good with all eyes on him …..
IMO, just as an above average QB. Nothing special.
What made Eli special is that when it really mattered, he elevated his game and his team. Twice. And beating the GOAT.
Eli had his share of clunkers. But in a sport where Championships are everything, Eli was the best when it mattered most.
In the real world, of course the championship game has influenced JJM's profile. How a player performs in a high stakes atmosphere is important.
NFL teams aren't judging legacy, they're making a guess at future productivity.
I didn’t have my coffee yet and was excited to answer a question posed by Sy.
Carry on, don’t mind me….
Now that I give it more thought, the difference is that Eli helped elevate an inferior team to victory over perhaps the best team in NFL history. JJM already had the best team.
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So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
It’s one game but it is as a yellow flag for me …. He (Penix) did not look good with all eyes on him …..
It wasn’t so much the eyes as it was the pass rush
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how would be ve viewed?
IMO, just as an above average QB. Nothing special.
What made Eli special is that when it really mattered, he elevated his game and his team. Twice. And beating the GOAT.
Eli had his share of clunkers. But in a sport where Championships are everything, Eli was the best when it mattered most.
Exactly my point, so taking away MI's nation championship for discussion sake is just a waste of time and has no bearing on reality...
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how would be ve viewed?
Now that I give it more thought, the difference is that Eli helped elevate an inferior team to victory over perhaps the best team in NFL history. JJM already had the best team.
Exactly my point... you can't take away someone's biggest accomplishments "for discussion sake." Yes, JJM handed the ball off a lot. Is that his fault?
Tom Brady was a late round draft pick. Brock Purdy late round draft pick- exceptions to the rule, sure. However we see plenty of bigtime guys struggle:
Darnold
Rosen- never did anything
Mayfield- good but not #1 pick good
Trubisky- now back to Bills (technically his 4th stop)
Zach Wilson- bust
Lance- on team two already
Mac Jones- team 2
Fields- team 2
Haskins- did nothing was moved to another team, has since passed away
Daniel Jones- we all know that one
Patrick Mahomes was rated as a low 20's and beyond guy and was picked in the middle of the first round..
The point is, nobody KNOWS anything right now about who will succeed and who won't succeed in the NFL. BUT- stop shooting down a guy (JJM) because he didn't have gaudy numbers in the wide open NCAA.. Look at traits- smart, quick and decisive with throws, mitigates and eliminates mistakes, moves the chains etc.. Those guys are winners, those guys keep you in games and find ways to win. Right now we have had NONE of that at QB for a long time.
SURE, I want the HOF, SB winning QB but nobody knows who those guys are when drafted. You learn that after the fact.
Trevor Lawrence, Herbert, Love and now Stroud are all guys who have put up numbers early but haven't won anything. I would still take ANY of them at QB here for the Giants over what we have now.
I am still standing by wanting Maye 1st but JJM is not that far off from him..
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how would be ve viewed?
Now that I give it more thought, the difference is that Eli helped elevate an inferior team to victory over perhaps the best team in NFL history. JJM already had the best team.
Exactly my point... you can't take away someone's biggest accomplishments "for discussion sake." Yes, JJM handed the ball off a lot. Is that his fault?
It’s why the casual fan has difficulty projecting his abilities to the next level.
But seems Sy and others who put in the work and are in the best position to render an opinion - think he’s a top prospect.
To that point - perhaps it was only in those big situations with the game on the line that he was asked/required to do more.
Is 10 the middle of 32?
Nauseating.
This is unfortunately very true.
JJ Mccarthy thread from November - ( New Window )
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Patrick Mahomes was rated as a low 20's and beyond guy and was picked in the middle of the first round..
Is 10 the middle of 32?
Semantics aside- and beings narky- he wasn't the top rated player or QB in that draft.. The point is, if people knew he was going to be all world he would have gone 1.. Then again, people though Leaf was better than Manning coming out too.. But- thats ok, you can be snarky.
Nauseating.
Because like Jones, McCarthy is an average QB.
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This board will become more unbearable from the same posters and their schtick like they do with Jones.
Nauseating.
Because like Jones, McCarthy is an average QB.
actually the odds are he ends up worse than that. welcome to the nfl draft.
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This board will become more unbearable from the same posters and their schtick like they do with Jones.
Nauseating.
Because like Jones, McCarthy is an average QB.
Based off what?
Is 10 the middle of 32?
Semantics aside- and beings narky- he wasn't the top rated player or QB in that draft.. The point is, if people knew he was going to be all world he would have gone 1.. Then again, people though Leaf was better than Manning coming out too.. But- thats ok, you can be snarky.
It's not being snarky. You can make your point without exaggerating or being factually incorrect.
Mahomes is Mahomes because he's very talented and because he was drafted by a great quarterback coach. That very coach traded up to draft him because he recognized the talent.
If your point is sometimes the players picked later are better than players before them, cool.
With this in mind, two thoughts:
Think of him as you may, but winning the national championship doesn't happen without him.
Be able to separate him from winning the national championship as opposed to him as a prospect.
I guess to answer the initial question, yes, he is being pushed up draft boards. But that happens every single year with all 1st round or fringe 1st round QB's.
There are a few posters who post the most about QB play seem to understand little about the position and what matters imv.
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So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
It’s one game but it is as a yellow flag for me …. He (Penix) did not look good with all eyes on him …..
Neither did JJ McCarthy in that game. Actually, Penix was better that McCarthy in that game.
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Grade: 80
Five-year starter. All-Pac 12 in both 2023 and 2022, first team in 2023 in addition to winning the conference Offensive Player of the Year Award and a spot on the All-American Squad. Nix spent three years at Auburn, following in the footsteps of his father. He was the first true freshman to start under center for the program since 1946. The son of a legendary high school coach is battle tested. After winning the 2019 SEC Freshman of the Year award, his career began to spiral. He graduated in just three years and transferred to Oregon. He left there as the program’s all-time leader in completion percentage and set single season records in completions, yards, and passing touchdowns. His completion percentage in 2023 was an all-time NCAA record. Nix started more games under center than any other quarterback in FBS history. Simply put, this is a guy that is battle-tested, mentally and physically tough, and all-time productive. The physical traits are more than good enough to make everything happen on the field a quarterback needs to make happen.
*A big part of playing and evolving in the NFL at this position is the response to adversity. Not everyone wants to talk about it, but it is the truth. Nix has had almost unfair expectations put on his shoulders since he came out of high school. It went great, then it went horrible. Sounds like some of the young quarterbacks that flame out, right? Nix resurrected his career in a big way. Now, the fact he did it in the Pac-12 and not the SEC needs to be weighed (part of what makes the Daniels ascent special). But watch some of his early tapes at Auburn and watch his 2023 at Oregon; it is easy to see the contrast in him as a player. Nix is a guy I like a lot as a day two option for the Giants. Do I think he will be there? No. But I did not think Will Levis would fall to round 2 a year ago. It is a possibility. It would likely require a day 2 trade-up but there are options at #6 overall to trade down and pick up extra capital to offset any sort of loss. Or they can get a blue chip WR at #6 and make the aggressive move up in round 2 for a guy like Nix. I think his floor is what NYG currently has in Daniel Jones. His ceiling is something in the area of what Deshaun Watson was with Houston (pre-drama). Do you like the day two risk of Nix or the top 10 risk of one the guys above? Another tough call considering what else could come in through the door if they go receiver early.
NFL Comparison: Daniel Jones / NYG
NFL Ceiling: Deshaun Watson / CLE (from his HOU days)
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I'll see myself out.
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So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
It’s one game but it is as a yellow flag for me …. He (Penix) did not look good with all eyes on him …..
Neither did JJ McCarthy in that game. Actually, Penix was better that McCarthy in that game.
Lol in what ways? Throwing bad picks? Missing wide open receivers???
I'll see myself out.
There are a few posters who post the most about QB play seem to understand little about the position and what matters imv.
McCarthy isn't my favorite of the bunch but picking him would be fine by me.
National title game thread - ( New Window )
I'll stand corrected, but I don't recall comparing McCarthy to Jones. In fact, I was recently why arguments could actually be made to draft McCarthy early (5-star recruit, big time program, performance, etc) versus Jones.
Further, for the uninformed, I have also said if we do draft McCarthy I could live with it because he would be the most talented QB on the roster.
I did make a joking comment that the fervent support many on this board had/have for McCarthy was akin to the DJFC. And then I proceeded to declare them the JJFC. BFD.
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So how would Penix be viewed if he won the championship? Because he was lights out until the championship game, and I thought he was the best qb of the bunch.
It’s one game but it is as a yellow flag for me …. He (Penix) did not look good with all eyes on him …..
Neither did JJ McCarthy in that game. Actually, Penix was better that McCarthy in that game.
No he didn't.
Neither did JJ McCarthy in that game. Actually, Penix was better that McCarthy in that game.
No he didn't.
QBR-wise Penix outperformed McCarthy - 63 to 58.4.
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how would be ve viewed?
Now that I give it more thought, the difference is that Eli helped elevate an inferior team to victory over perhaps the best team in NFL history. JJM already had the best team.
I am sorry that team on Feb 3 2008 was not inferior by much if any.. People think that because of how the 2007 season started that the Feb 3 2008 team was just meh... but between 1/6/2008 (game after Pats regular season where Eli actually became Eli) and 11/28/2008 (when our best offensive player shot himself and the defensive captain was caught up in the gun controvesy) we were 15-1.. and those 15 wins include wins against:
18-0 Pats
13-3 Packers
13-3 Cowboys
2009 SB champions
2009 SB losers
2009 AFC championship game loser
2009 NFC championship game loser..
Thats 7 out of 8 wins against championship level teams..
Thats not some luck against one team where Eli saved the day and was the reason why we won.. That was a damn good OL, an all world DL and defensive front 7.. a great WR without whom the offense crumbled.. A set of 3 RBs that combined were as good as any in the league..
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Neither did JJ McCarthy in that game. Actually, Penix was better that McCarthy in that game.
No he didn't.
QBR-wise Penix outperformed McCarthy - 63 to 58.4.
So Daniel Jones was the 8th best QB in the NFL in 2022?
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how would be ve viewed?
Now that I give it more thought, the difference is that Eli helped elevate an inferior team to victory over perhaps the best team in NFL history. JJM already had the best team.
I am sorry that team on Feb 3 2008 was not inferior by much if any.. People think that because of how the 2007 season started that the Feb 3 2008 team was just meh... but between 1/6/2008 (game after Pats regular season where Eli actually became Eli) and 11/28/2008 (when our best offensive player shot himself and the defensive captain was caught up in the gun controvesy) we were 15-1.. and those 15 wins include wins against:
18-0 Pats
13-3 Packers
13-3 Cowboys
2009 SB champions
2009 SB losers
2009 AFC championship game loser
2009 NFC championship game loser..
Thats 7 out of 8 wins against championship level teams..
Thats not some luck against one team where Eli saved the day and was the reason why we won.. That was a damn good OL, an all world DL and defensive front 7.. a great WR without whom the offense crumbled.. A set of 3 RBs that combined were as good as any in the league..
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Neither did JJ McCarthy in that game. Actually, Penix was better that McCarthy in that game.
No he didn't.
QBR-wise Penix outperformed McCarthy - 63 to 58.4.
Daniel Jones had a higher QBR than Joe Burrow in '22. ;-)
Nauseating.
Nauseating.
Do you need a Kleenex?
Bring sucked into rd 1 is one thing. Being a QB of Rd 1 value is another.
Let us know where you want this post to go.
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This board will become more unbearable from the same posters and their schtick like they do with Jones.
Nauseating.
Do you need a Kleenex?
Do you need another handle?
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This board will become more unbearable from the same posters and their schtick like they do with Jones.
Nauseating.
Do you need a Kleenex?
Do you need another handle?
Don't you churn through handles even faster than he does?
Him too. But you're right there with 'em dep.
Your cover is about as good as Marlon Wayans in White Chicks. Juice ain't worth the squeeze amigo.
The couple of "us" posters you are referring to are probably morons as well. I see two of them also on this thread.
I challenge anyone on the "them" side to show your math!
Oh, you are dep. That explains a lot of your belly aching about Sherrone Moore's offense last season.
As to the OP - I don't really understand the point of these counterfactuals. Real life is not some Marvel What If comicbook that is just reimagined fiction.