Dane Brugler draft guide "The Beast" went live this morning

Always look forward to it each year.

1. Williams
4. Maye
8. Daniels
21. McCarthy
44. Nix
52. Penix

As I have felt for awhile now this QB class is a bit overrated

It will take me days to read the Beast.
It is so detailed in strengths and weaknesses.

In comment 16463123 Rick in Dallas said:

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1. Williams 4. Maye 8. Daniels 21. McCarthy 44. Nix 52. Penix As I have felt for awhile now this QB class is a bit overrated It will take me days to read the Beast. It is so detailed in strengths and weaknesses.

I don't think the QB class is overrated
Have you looked at the QBs drafted the last few years?

In comment 16463123 Rick in Dallas said:

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1. Williams 4. Maye 8. Daniels 21. McCarthy 44. Nix 52. Penix As I have felt for awhile now this QB class is a bit overrated It will take me days to read the Beast. It is so detailed in strengths and weaknesses.

I'd be confident with any of the QBs paired with Daboll.

Other players may be ranked higher, however IMO none are more important to a team's success than the QB position.

In comment 16463128 ZogZerg said:

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In comment 16463123 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: 1. Williams 4. Maye 8. Daniels 21. McCarthy 44. Nix 52. Penix As I have felt for awhile now this QB class is a bit overrated It will take me days to read the Beast. It is so detailed in strengths and weaknesses. I don't think the QB class is overrated Have you looked at the QBs drafted the last few years?

It is overrated if you are listening to those that say that there are 6 QB’s worthy of a top 6 draft pick. While I am higher on McCarthy than Dane is (and lower on Maye) I only see 4 worth a first round pick

In comment 16463136 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 16463128 ZogZerg said: Quote: In comment 16463123 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: 1. Williams 4. Maye 8. Daniels 21. McCarthy 44. Nix 52. Penix As I have felt for awhile now this QB class is a bit overrated It will take me days to read the Beast. It is so detailed in strengths and weaknesses. I don't think the QB class is overrated Have you looked at the QBs drafted the last few years? It is overrated if you are listening to those that say that there are 6 QB’s worthy of a top 6 draft pick. While I am higher on McCarthy than Dane is (and lower on Maye) I only see 4 worth a first round pick

I think most will be surprised on where everybody lands in the final draft.

In comment 16463136 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 16463128 ZogZerg said: Quote: In comment 16463123 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: 1. Williams 4. Maye 8. Daniels 21. McCarthy 44. Nix 52. Penix As I have felt for awhile now this QB class is a bit overrated It will take me days to read the Beast. It is so detailed in strengths and weaknesses. I don't think the QB class is overrated Have you looked at the QBs drafted the last few years? It is overrated if you are listening to those that say that there are 6 QB’s worthy of a top 6 draft pick. While I am higher on McCarthy than Dane is (and lower on Maye) I only see 4 worth a first round pick

I also only think 4 QBs are "first round caliber" however I'm expecting at least 5 and maybe 6 to go in the first round.

I can see Denver taking Nix and the Raiders taking Penix while the top 4 go to Chi, Was, NE, Min or NYG.

Brugler ranked Daniel Jones 53rd in 2019--almost identical to Penix this year

and they happened to be the 3rd/5th ones selected (and in many places the 4th/5th ones in rankings).

this is a very strong QB class. definitely the deepest since 2018.

In comment 16463134 SirLoinOfBeef said:

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In comment 16463123 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: 1. Williams 4. Maye 8. Daniels 21. McCarthy 44. Nix 52. Penix As I have felt for awhile now this QB class is a bit overrated It will take me days to read the Beast. It is so detailed in strengths and weaknesses. I'd be confident with any of the QBs paired with Daboll. Other players may be ranked higher, however IMO none are more important to a team's success than the QB position.

I definitely agree with this. But does that mean you are always taking a QB at 6? I trust Daboll, but do you take Nix or Penix at 6 if that is what's left?

1. MARVIN HARRISON JR. Ohio State 1st
2. MALIK NABERS LSU 1st
3. ROME ODUNZE Washington 1st
4. BRIAN THOMAS JR. LSU 1st
5. LADD MCCONKEY Georgia 1st-2nd
6. ADONAI MITCHELL Texas 1st-2nd
7. KEON COLEMAN Florida State 2nd
8. ROMAN WILSON Michigan 2nd
9. RICKY PEARSALL Florida 2nd-3rd
10. XAVIER WORTHY Texas 2nd-3rd

In comment 16463215 M.S. said:

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1. MARVIN HARRISON JR. Ohio State 1st 2. MALIK NABERS LSU 1st 3. ROME ODUNZE Washington 1st 4. BRIAN THOMAS JR. LSU 1st 5. LADD MCCONKEY Georgia 1st-2nd 6. ADONAI MITCHELL Texas 1st-2nd 7. KEON COLEMAN Florida State 2nd 8. ROMAN WILSON Michigan 2nd 9. RICKY PEARSALL Florida 2nd-3rd 10. XAVIER WORTHY Texas 2nd-3rd

Brugler has said multiple times over the last few weeks that if MHJ or Nabers were in the 2022 or 2023 draft, they would have been his #1 overall prospect

Of why I never subscribe. All of this information endsup getting posted. Someone who subscribes may get it all a hour before me. I can live with that. I don't have the need to be the first one to read it. Same with local paper where they lock article and they want you to sign up. For what? It's all going to get posted

In comment 16463228 Giants said:

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Of why I never subscribe. All of this information endsup getting posted. Someone who subscribes may get it all a hour before me. I can live with that. I don't have the need to be the first one to read it. Same with local paper where they lock article and they want you to sign up. For what? It's all going to get posted

Makes you easily mislead. You allow others to place their bias on information before you receive it. Always go to the source when possible.

here to plug The Athletic, but you can get a 12 month trial membership for $1 per month. 12 bucks and decide for yourself.

Just scratches the surface of how detailed the prospect write ups are displayed in the Beast.
Brugler does a fantastic job and is deeply connected to NFL personnel

Joe Alt has an older brother and 3 older sisters? That really is in-depth info.

In comment 16463210 mfjmfj said:

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In comment 16463134 SirLoinOfBeef said: Quote: In comment 16463123 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: 1. Williams 4. Maye 8. Daniels 21. McCarthy 44. Nix 52. Penix As I have felt for awhile now this QB class is a bit overrated It will take me days to read the Beast. It is so detailed in strengths and weaknesses. I'd be confident with any of the QBs paired with Daboll. Other players may be ranked higher, however IMO none are more important to a team's success than the QB position. I definitely agree with this. But does that mean you are always taking a QB at 6? I trust Daboll, but do you take Nix or Penix at 6 if that is what's left?

If you believe he's your guy, IMO yes.

Lots of mocks have Denver selecting Nix at 12. I don't see Penix making it much further.

You could try and get cute if you got the inside knowledge of the board.

In comment 16463228 Giants said:

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Of why I never subscribe. All of this information endsup getting posted. Someone who subscribes may get it all a hour before me. I can live with that. I don't have the need to be the first one to read it. Same with local paper where they lock article and they want you to sign up. For what? It's all going to get posted

And this "is actually example" of why you're woefully uninformed at every possible turn. You honestly think someone else's snippets is a viable alternative to the full material and your own critical thought?

If $1/mo is too much, I'll just assume you'd prefer to avoid thinking for yourself even if it was offered for free.

In comment 16463186 DaveInTampa said:

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Brugler ranked Daniel Jones 53rd in 2019--almost identical to Penix this year

Not to use Jones as an example, but just because Brugler, or Kiper, or some other expert has a guy rated 53rd doesn't mean NFL teams have him rated 53rd. There's a reason these guys aren't working as NFL scouts.

In comment 16463189 Eric on Li said:

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and they happened to be the 3rd/5th ones selected (and in many places the 4th/5th ones in rankings).

Simply not true. Throughout the draft process, Josh Allen was number two to Sam Darnold in Vegas odds to go number one overall and in most draft previews and rankings.

It was Baker Mayfield who was the dark horse and clear number four, until a week before the draft, when Dorsey had to tell others in the CLE org that Mayfield was going to be the pick, and news leaked.

Dorsey wanted to prove he was smarter than everyone else. And he failed.

But when I read I have player X rated higher than (fill in media member name here) does it makes me laugh. There are people being paid millions of dollars to make these picks and they have no idea how most of the players picked in the top half of round one of the draft will translate to the NFL.

If you're like me and think after you've seen a player on TV you think he'd be great playing for the Giants and I hope they draft him. That makes sense to me. If you think you're scouting players and that you're making more than a guess and a hope you lose me.

I've listened to dozens of podcasts with draft "experts" the past few months and I've seen a game or two of the players projected to go in the top 10 picks. From everything I've listened to and seen I expect 3 or 4 QBs and Marvin Harrison Jr to be selected before the Giants pick. If that's the case I hope they choose Malik Nabers. I think he has a chance to be a game changing player and paired with Robinson and Hyatt's skill sets could form a trio that scares others teams even with mediocre at best QB play in 2024.

The Giants know they have to find an upgrade at QB but with only 6 picks this year and a thin roster how many picks can they afford to trade away in 2024 and 2025 to move up for a QB?

In comment 16463215 M.S. said:

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1. MARVIN HARRISON JR. Ohio State 1st 2. MALIK NABERS LSU 1st 3. ROME ODUNZE Washington 1st 4. BRIAN THOMAS JR. LSU 1st 5. LADD MCCONKEY Georgia 1st-2nd 6. ADONAI MITCHELL Texas 1st-2nd 7. KEON COLEMAN Florida State 2nd 8. ROMAN WILSON Michigan 2nd 9. RICKY PEARSALL Florida 2nd-3rd 10. XAVIER WORTHY Texas 2nd-3rd

Dont sleep on Ladd McConkey.

In comment 16463355 arniefez said:

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But when I read I have player X rated higher than (fill in media member name here) does it makes me laugh. There are people being paid millions of dollars to make these picks and they have no idea how most of the players picked in the top half of round one of the draft will translate to the NFL. If you're like me and think after you've seen a player on TV you think he'd be great playing for the Giants and I hope they draft him. That makes sense to me. If you think you're scouting players and that you're making more than a guess and a hope you lose me. I've listened to dozens of podcasts with draft "experts" the past few months and I've seen a game or two of the players projected to go in the top 10 picks. From everything I've listened to and seen I expect 3 or 4 QBs and Marvin Harrison Jr to be selected before the Giants pick. If that's the case I hope they choose Malik Nabers. I think he has a chance to be a game changing player and paired with Robinson and Hyatt's skill sets could form a trio that scares others teams even with mediocre at best QB play in 2024. The Giants know they have to find an upgrade at QB but with only 6 picks this year and a thin roster how many picks can they afford to trade away in 2024 and 2025 to move up for a QB?

Wasn't there a running BBI joke bc a few posters would talk about "watching film" like they were a coach or GM. Doesn't that mean they were going to look at games on the DVR?

In comment 16463355 arniefez said:

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But when I read I have player X rated higher than (fill in media member name here) does it makes me laugh. There are people being paid millions of dollars to make these picks and they have no idea how most of the players picked in the top half of round one of the draft will translate to the NFL. If you're like me and think after you've seen a player on TV you think he'd be great playing for the Giants and I hope they draft him. That makes sense to me. If you think you're scouting players and that you're making more than a guess and a hope you lose me. I've listened to dozens of podcasts with draft "experts" the past few months and I've seen a game or two of the players projected to go in the top 10 picks. From everything I've listened to and seen I expect 3 or 4 QBs and Marvin Harrison Jr to be selected before the Giants pick. If that's the case I hope they choose Malik Nabers. I think he has a chance to be a game changing player and paired with Robinson and Hyatt's skill sets could form a trio that scares others teams even with mediocre at best QB play in 2024. The Giants know they have to find an upgrade at QB but with only 6 picks this year and a thin roster how many picks can they afford to trade away in 2024 and 2025 to move up for a QB?

I agree arnie

If the Giants take Nabers at six. Will require a likely trade up, but won't necessarily require the 2025 first round pick.

In comment 16463330 k2tampa said:

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In comment 16463186 DaveInTampa said: Quote: Brugler ranked Daniel Jones 53rd in 2019--almost identical to Penix this year Not to use Jones as an example, but just because Brugler, or Kiper, or some other expert has a guy rated 53rd doesn't mean NFL teams have him rated 53rd. There's a reason these guys aren't working as NFL scouts.

Well, at least with respect to Jones, Brugler's rating turned out to be a lot more accurate than the Giants (or any other teams that had him ranked that high).

In comment 16463355 arniefez said:

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But when I read I have player X rated higher than (fill in media member name here) does it makes me laugh. There are people being paid millions of dollars to make these picks and they have no idea how most of the players picked in the top half of round one of the draft will translate to the NFL. If you're like me and think after you've seen a player on TV you think he'd be great playing for the Giants and I hope they draft him. That makes sense to me. If you think you're scouting players and that you're making more than a guess and a hope you lose me. I've listened to dozens of podcasts with draft "experts" the past few months and I've seen a game or two of the players projected to go in the top 10 picks. From everything I've listened to and seen I expect 3 or 4 QBs and Marvin Harrison Jr to be selected before the Giants pick. If that's the case I hope they choose Malik Nabers. I think he has a chance to be a game changing player and paired with Robinson and Hyatt's skill sets could form a trio that scares others teams even with mediocre at best QB play in 2024. The Giants know they have to find an upgrade at QB but with only 6 picks this year and a thin roster how many picks can they afford to trade away in 2024 and 2025 to move up for a QB?

Solid post.

There you go making your own evaluation though.

Strong work.

You like Nabers, I like MHjr and Odunze a little better. Best place to talk about that is here in my opinion. I would rather Thomas(other LSU wr) in the second than Nabers in 1st.

I am forever humbled after Rosen. I know I don’t know

1. Chicago - Caleb Williams
2. Washington - Drake Maye
3. Patriots - JJM
4. Arizona - Harrison Jr.
5. Chargers - Malik Nabers



6. NYG - Jayden Daniels

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Always look forward to it each year.

This is the ONLY reason I subscribe to the Atheltic.