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The Athletic: Odds a first-round WR busts?

solarmike : 4/10/2024 2:00 pm
"Hit rate for WRs drafted first-round

Drafting a first-round WR is hard, and the hit rate here is historically lower than other positions. There's a 63 percent chance of drafting a bust or a reach. Think of a reach as a serviceable starter who should've been drafted three rounds later, like Tavon Austin (No. 8 in 2013, 21 spots ahead of DeAndre Hopkins) or Mike Williams (No. 7 in 2017)."

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Remember Laquon Treadwell?  
knowledgetimmons : 4/10/2024 2:02 pm : link
ooof!
A couple initial thoughs  
Biteymax22 : 4/10/2024 2:13 pm : link
If they were to track the more recent drafts, would it skew these numbers? The college game is becoming more advanced and you're getting players who are coming in much further ahead in their development.

Second, how many of these guys should have actually been drafted in the first round? I'm sure there are multiple guys that were taken who were done so because their team put a higher value on the position and took a 2nd round talent vs a 1st round talent at a lower valued position.

Think taking a WR with a 79 grade via Sy' vs a TE with an 81.
Meh. You need to take those metrics  
Jimmy Meatballs : 4/10/2024 2:22 pm : link
with a grain of salt. He is using measures that are subjective to the position. So it’s not a fair comparison to insinuate that WR is a higher bust rate than other positions. Interesting stats, yes. A logical argument for increased risk of drafting WR, no.
Again, what are they basing this off of?  
ZogZerg : 4/10/2024 2:53 pm : link
Strictly first round pick?

Or, are they looking WRs that had "pro bowl" grades before the draft and then flopped?

Quickly looking at Sy's ratings for the last 4 drafts, he has hit on EVERY receiver that he rated as a "pro bowl" or higher receiver (85 or higher).

He is batting a 100% over that time frame.




How does  
Pete in MD : 4/10/2024 3:14 pm : link
that compare to other positions? Or to every position? A statistical snapshot basically means nothing.
By all accounts  
Spider43 : 4/10/2024 3:37 pm : link
The top 3 WR's in this draft are as good as it gets. We are assured one of them... if we don't reach for QB4 or 5.
RE: Meh. You need to take those metrics  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/10/2024 4:00 pm : link
In comment 16463654 Jimmy Meatballs said:
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with a grain of salt. He is using measures that are subjective to the position. So it’s not a fair comparison to insinuate that WR is a higher bust rate than other positions. Interesting stats, yes. A logical argument for increased risk of drafting WR, no.

Fair point, although I would counter that the context for this topic is often the argument that a QB selection carries a very high bust rate (true) AND that a WR would not have the same risk. Relative to the positional value for each, that's just not exactly the case (in the manner that many fans try to suggest). QB is a very risky choice, but the potential payoff justifies the risk; WR is less risky (but hardly risk-free), and the potential payoff is also comparatively lower than a QB.

Honestly, the only reason why it's not a completely debunked argument (IMO) is the fact that at almost any other position besides QB, there's a path to still providing on-field value even if the player fails to reach expectations. A WR "bust" (like Tavon Austin in this OP) can still generate some value on specials and in certain sub-packages. A QB, on the other hand, is much more binary. They either become starters or they don't; they either assume the mantle of "franchise QB" or they don't.

Tavon Austin was a WR bust who became a valuable special teams contributor. Johnny Manziel was a QB bust who became a former NFL player. That is a big part of the equation (and a huge part of fan perception).

Here's the biggest issue though, IMO: when a WR pick busts, no one spends 5+ years trying to convince themselves that he wasn't a bust and was instead just a victim of circumstance. No one is asking if Charles Rogers had a good enough OL. No one is asking if Peter Warrick had a good enough supporting cast. No one announces that they've done everything possible to screw up Darrius Heyward-Bey. No one has to justify taking another WR a year or two later after drafting Kevin White.

The problem isn't draft picks who bust, because there will be busts in every round, at every position, for every team. The problem is spending half a decade deluding yourself into believing that your busted picks didn't actually bust because your standard for choosing them in the first place is falling in love with them. There's only one position where that applies, at least for this franchise.
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Blueworm : 4/10/2024 4:11 pm : link
To bring it back to DJ
I did this analysis a couple of days ago  
M.S. : 4/10/2024 4:12 pm : link

WRs Taken in Top 6 of NFL Draft (2000 - 2023)

M.S. : 4/8/2024 7:42 am

Over the past 24 NFL Drafts, 14 WRs have been taken within the Top 6 picks. By my count, 8 have been "Hits"; 6 have been "Misses" -- a 57% success rate. Every NFL Draft is different, and it is not a stretch to imagine that Marvin Harrison, Jr., Malik Nabors and Rome Odunze will all be "Hits" regardless of their Draft position. But historically, the success rate has been roughly 60%, not 100%:

8 Hits: (Draft Year/Pick/Prospect)
2003/ 3/ Andre Johnson
2004/ 3/ Larry Fitzgerald
2007/ 2/ Calvin Johnson
2011/ 4/ A. J. Green
2011/ 6/ Julio Jones
2015/ 4/ Amari Cooper
2021/ 5/ Ja'Marr Chase
2021/ 6/ Jaylen Waddle

6 Misses: (Draft Year/Pick/Prospect)
2000/ 4/ Peter Warrick
2003/ 2/ Charles Rogers
2005/ 3/ Braylon Edwards
2012/ 5/ Justin Blackmon
2014/ 4/ Sammy Watkins
2017/ 5/ Corey Davis
Gatorade Dunk  
Blueworm : 4/10/2024 4:12 pm : link
Is right, though.

Crabtree would have gone higher than #10  
widmerseyebrow : 4/10/2024 4:19 pm : link
had he not gotten injured before the draft and he wound up being a very mediocre lead receiver.
WR should be the easiest position to  
TheBlueprintNC : 4/10/2024 4:35 pm : link
scout no? can he catch it, can he run the routes, can he catch it, can he find seperation, can he catch it, speed or quickness, can he catch it, can he get YAC, can he catch it, is he a team guy, can he catch it, is he gritty, can he catch it, can he protect himself, can he catch it, can he get better, can he catch it, Focus, can he catch it
And yet  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/10/2024 4:39 pm : link
I heard a discussion yesterday where the pundits said WR is the easiest (relatively) position to scout.

As was pointed out a couple of days ago, is the answer not to draft anyone?
RE: Meh. You need to take those metrics  
bw in dc : 4/10/2024 5:19 pm : link
In comment 16463654 Jimmy Meatballs said:
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with a grain of salt. He is using measures that are subjective to the position. So it’s not a fair comparison to insinuate that WR is a higher bust rate than other positions. Interesting stats, yes. A logical argument for increased risk of drafting WR, no.


They are subjective metrics. But they weren't that unreasonable to me.

What would you have used instead?
i just saw Corey Davis  
larryinnewhaven : 4/10/2024 5:25 pm : link
went 5th overall. Ooof
RE: And yet  
bw in dc : 4/10/2024 5:25 pm : link
In comment 16463888 Eric from BBI said:
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I heard a discussion yesterday where the pundits said WR is the easiest (relatively) position to scout.

As was pointed out a couple of days ago, is the answer not to draft anyone?


I have read several articles over the years that OLs have the best hit rate in round one. This is a decent article from The Athletic.


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Lineman  
larryinnewhaven : 4/10/2024 5:38 pm : link
are so hard to find you have to be real bad to be a complete bust. They hang around forever like lefty relievers. If you are even somewhat competent theres usually someone who will roster you.
The main  
pjcas18 : 4/10/2024 5:53 pm : link
flaw in this article is it doesn't consider the options.

Plus, WR criteria is different than other positions.

for example, is Evan Neal considered a bust? Ereck Flowers?

Teams have a tendency to play highly drafted OL even if they perform poorly. Same with QB's due to the investment. but if a WR isn't running the right routes or catching the ball they tend to see the field less because it's easier to plug in other options.

So, WR's bust, just like every other position even at the top of the draft, but this article unfairly holds WR to different criteria that makes comparisons impossible.
RE: RE: Meh. You need to take those metrics  
Jimmy Meatballs : 4/11/2024 8:42 am : link
In comment 16463928 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16463654 Jimmy Meatballs said:


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with a grain of salt. He is using measures that are subjective to the position. So it’s not a fair comparison to insinuate that WR is a higher bust rate than other positions. Interesting stats, yes. A logical argument for increased risk of drafting WR, no.

Let me rephrase. The metrics are fine. It’s the conclusion that is being drawn off of them. It’s all subjective. Again, very interesting. I like the comparison too but I don’t think it’s fair to then say “WR busts more than these other positions.”




They are subjective metrics. But they weren't that unreasonable to me.

What would you have used instead?
I think WR has become easier to draft and OL has become harder.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 4/11/2024 8:52 am : link
I don’t think historic trends will match the last several years or so.

Between the evolution of the college game and lessons learned and advanced metrics improving WR scouting evaluations there seems to be less total busts in the top of the draft.

OL seemed to be a sure thing in the past but many top OL picks don’t pan out. I think practice rules and limited repetitions have impacted this.
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