These three players currently make up 30% of our 2024 salary cap allotment combined. Not good. Schoen needs to hit a home run in the draft with a QB included in the haul of players.
But Jones and Waller are much more of a problem than Slayton. Hell, one doesn’t even want to play.
My issue is a cap hit of over $8M. Julian Love’s cap number on Seattle is identical. Who would you rather have right now? I didn’t like that decision last year and it looks even worse now.
But Jones and Waller are much more of a problem than Slayton. Hell, one doesn’t even want to play.
My issue is a cap hit of over $8M. Julian Love’s cap number on Seattle is identical. Who would you rather have right now? I didn’t like that decision last year and it looks even worse now.
Love took less money then was originally offered to go to Seattle
But Jones and Waller are much more of a problem than Slayton. Hell, one doesn’t even want to play.
My issue is a cap hit of over $8M. Julian Love’s cap number on Seattle is identical. Who would you rather have right now? I didn’t like that decision last year and it looks even worse now.
Oh I’m not disagreeing that we should replace him - I just think Jones and Waller are much bigger negatives to the team.
But he's in the final year of his 2-yr deal. Not really pricey right now but will he be? If they add one of Nabers/Harrison/Odunze, not sure he's here much longer. They probably want Robinson and Hyatt as other key players with the rookie.
But Jones and Waller are much more of a problem than Slayton. Hell, one doesn’t even want to play.
My issue is a cap hit of over $8M. Julian Love’s cap number on Seattle is identical. Who would you rather have right now? I didn’t like that decision last year and it looks even worse now.
Slayton and it is not even close. You sir, are losing your mind. Slayton actually can play football.
But he's in the final year of his 2-yr deal. Not really pricey right now but will he be? If they add one of Nabers/Harrison/Odunze, not sure he's here much longer. They probably want Robinson and Hyatt as other key players with the rookie.
If the Giants draft Nabers… either Slayton or Hyatt time will greatly be reduced. That’s why I would have been fine letting Slayton go and see what Hyatt has.
If the Giants pick a WR on day one or two, and Hyatt and Robinson are crushing it in camp, Slayton will easily fetch a pick in a trade.
But he didn’t fetch it when he was a FA. The best you can hope for is a 6th round pick. Who will want a guy with 1 year left that is an average player?
If the Giants pick a WR on day one or two, and Hyatt and Robinson are crushing it in camp, Slayton will easily fetch a pick in a trade.
But he didn’t fetch it when he was a FA. The best you can hope for is a 6th round pick. Who will want a guy with 1 year left that is an average player?
The free agent didn't fetch a pick in a trade, because he was a free agent. Maybe you want to try that one again?
We don’t agree on Slayton but leave that as it may…
If we take a WR with the 6th pick - don’t you agree it would be smart to trade Slayton ASAP because he is a pending FA and getting something for him whether it’s a 4-5-6 round pick is the best option.
If the Giants pick a WR on day one or two, and Hyatt and Robinson are crushing it in camp, Slayton will easily fetch a pick in a trade.
But he didn’t fetch it when he was a FA. The best you can hope for is a 6th round pick. Who will want a guy with 1 year left that is an average player?
The free agent didn't fetch a pick in a trade, because he was a free agent. Maybe you want to try that one again?
I was talking about teams wanting him. Cause a team could have had him without trading for him before the start of last year.
Post. Good God. Just fucking go watch an another sport. The guy doesn’t make shit and until someone else steps up he’s the # 2 WR. He was more than good enough for what he got last year. One of the stupidest BBI tropes of all time. Slayton is somehow a bad WR or hurting this teams cap or chances to win.
Darius is a nice WR/solid career for a mid round pick, but DCs aren't losing sleep over how to stop him. & his drops are maddening AF.
His drops were maddening but last year his hands improved drastically. He’s a solid player who performs well on a crappy offense. Certainly not the guy to complain about.
If we take a WR with the 6th pick - don’t you agree it would be smart to trade Slayton ASAP because he is a pending FA and getting something for him whether it’s a 4-5-6 round pick is the best option.
Unless he's part of a draft day trade to move up, the Giants would be better served seeing how Robinson and Hyatt develop in camp.
Also, trading him would only save ~3.5M against the cap. They've already paid his roster bonus, and the remainder is from his original signing bonus.
If we take a WR with the 6th pick - don’t you agree it would be smart to trade Slayton ASAP because he is a pending FA and getting something for him whether it’s a 4-5-6 round pick is the best option.
Unless he's part of a draft day trade to move up, the Giants would be better served seeing how Robinson and Hyatt develop in camp.
Also, trading him would only save ~3.5M against the cap. They've already paid his roster bonus, and the remainder is from his original signing bonus.
But you risk losing him for nothing at the end of the year. Like we did with Barkley.
Post. Good God. Just fucking go watch an another sport. The guy doesn’t make shit and until someone else steps up he’s the # 2 WR. He was more than good enough for what he got last year. One of the stupidest BBI tropes of all time. Slayton is somehow a bad WR or hurting this teams cap or chances to win.
Calm down. I know inflation is high, but last time I checked $8M isn’t shit.
pretend none existed on nyg cap right now - who were you adding in FA? Â
did you want mckinney back at 17m?
or barkley back at 12.5m?
did you want to give a top non-LT OL 20m per year?
100m gtd to cousins?
or 10.5m to darnold or minshew?
all of the above?
Post. Good God. Just fucking go watch an another sport. The guy doesn’t make shit and until someone else steps up he’s the # 2 WR. He was more than good enough for what he got last year. One of the stupidest BBI tropes of all time. Slayton is somehow a bad WR or hurting this teams cap or chances to win.
Calm down. I know inflation is high, but last time I checked $8M isn’t shit.
Sorry. I know actual thought might be too much of a strain on a guy w one set of grandparents so I'll explain it. Read slow
The NFL salary range is what it is. The loosest level players can make over a million. Right now as someone noted. He's the 40th highest paid WR. That will drop. In the context of NFL players 8 million is not a lot.
If we take a WR with the 6th pick - don’t you agree it would be smart to trade Slayton ASAP because he is a pending FA and getting something for him whether it’s a 4-5-6 round pick is the best option.
Unless he's part of a draft day trade to move up, the Giants would be better served seeing how Robinson and Hyatt develop in camp.
Also, trading him would only save ~3.5M against the cap. They've already paid his roster bonus, and the remainder is from his original signing bonus.
But you risk losing him for nothing at the end of the year. Like we did with Barkley.
Player trades typically happen on draft day, towards the end of camp, and at the trade deadline.
Darius Slayton on a 3.5M cap hit would draw trade interest at all 3 junctures. There's no reason to trade him ASAP after the draft.
If he's not part of a draft day trade, they'll see how the other players develop at the position. If Hyatt and Robinson surpass him in the depth chart they'll have plenty of opportunity to trade him.
RE: pretend none existed on nyg cap right now - who were you adding in FA? Â
did you want mckinney back at 17m?
or barkley back at 12.5m?
did you want to give a top non-LT OL 20m per year?
100m gtd to cousins?
or 10.5m to darnold or minshew?
all of the above?
I’d take Barkley back at 12.5 million for Waller’s $14M+ any day of the week. They would also have another $3.75M by not having to sign Singletary.
So Barkley for $12.5M, or Waller/Singletary for $17.8M?
If we take a WR with the 6th pick - don’t you agree it would be smart to trade Slayton ASAP because he is a pending FA and getting something for him whether it’s a 4-5-6 round pick is the best option.
Unless he's part of a draft day trade to move up, the Giants would be better served seeing how Robinson and Hyatt develop in camp.
Also, trading him would only save ~3.5M against the cap. They've already paid his roster bonus, and the remainder is from his original signing bonus.
But you risk losing him for nothing at the end of the year. Like we did with Barkley.
Player trades typically happen on draft day, towards the end of camp, and at the trade deadline.
Darius Slayton on a 3.5M cap hit would draw trade interest at all 3 junctures. There's no reason to trade him ASAP after the draft.
If he's not part of a draft day trade, they'll see how the other players develop at the position. If Hyatt and Robinson surpass him in the depth chart they'll have plenty of opportunity to trade him.
Ok let’s talk hypothetically..
We draft Nabers at 6 (now I agree with you if we draft a QB first - this is all moot.) so that gives us Nabers, Robinson, Slayton, Hyatt, and Hodgins and whoever else.
KC looks like they may lose Rice since there’s a warrant out for his arrest. They call up the Giants on draft day - what would you accept as a trade for Slayton?
RE: RE: pretend none existed on nyg cap right now - who were you adding in FA? Â
did you want mckinney back at 17m?
or barkley back at 12.5m?
did you want to give a top non-LT OL 20m per year?
100m gtd to cousins?
or 10.5m to darnold or minshew?
all of the above?
I’d take Barkley back at 12.5 million for Waller’s $14M+ any day of the week. They would also have another $3.75M by not having to sign Singletary.
So Barkley for $12.5M, or Waller/Singletary for $17.8M?
congratulations you just answered your own question because they could have done that if they wanted to.
the only reason they didnt do that is because they didnt want to (and i agree with you, id have done that!).
Has earned every penny this franchise has given him. He also had to beat out other players and prove coaches wrong seems about every year he’s been here. He has led the team in receiving yards for about 3 consecutive years now. I have no issue with Darius Slayton. The guy is a 1000 yard receiver in the right setting.
We draft Nabers at 6 (now I agree with you if we draft a QB first - this is all moot.) so that gives us Nabers, Robinson, Slayton, Hyatt, and Hodgins and whoever else.
KC looks like they may lose Rice since there’s a warrant out for his arrest. They call up the Giants on draft day - what would you accept as a trade for Slayton?
I think Slayton would draw a 4th round pick in a trade. Maybe a late 3rd round pick.
I don't think anyone is making an argument that Slayton is a #1 receiver. He has become a dependable #2/#3.
If we draft a WR at 6, we found our 1. Wandale Robinson has a different skill set then Slayton and hopefully he takes the next jump to me a very good slot player. Hyatt isn't as polished as Slayton yet (hoping he gets there) but is similar enough to Slayton where hopefully he replaces Slayton in 3 receiver sets.
All that would be a good thing but even if that happens, I keep Slayton. A foursome of those guys and our WR position becomes a strength. You have Slayton as a great backup, you can rotate the 4 depending on matchups/down and distance. Considering Waller is probably not coming back, I think we can go 4 WR's more often. I'd love to have Hyatt and Slayton taking the top of both sides of the defense giving Wandale and Nabors? a lot of room underneath.
If we crap the bed and become sellers at the deadline, then you can think about getting rid of Slayton.
I would also have no issues extending Slayton right now.
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He’s just another mediocre player on a bad team.
And he is paid like one.
Keep complaining.
8 million is more than just “mediocre “
I guess you haven't paid attention to the Receiver Market this off season. Not to mention top receivers are making 30 million per year. 8 million is less than 1/3 of that!
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Darius Slayton, on the other hand, is proven. He is proven to be a solid but not spectacular receiver with a proper blend of efficient and explosive-type play. While he has not delivered on the promise he showed as a rookie in 2019, we know what NYG has in him. 740, 751, 339, 724, 770 yards. Amazingly, Slayton has been the number one receiver each season outside of 2021. Four out of five years.
I'm a big fan of Robinson's potential, but he gained 525 yards on 78 targets last year. Slayton on the other hand 770 and 79 targets.
Slayton was 36th among receivers in yards last year. I a functioning offense, with a functioning quarterback, 79 targets would be the number option, and Slayton fits that role nicely.
Hopefully Hyatt steps up and takes that role from Slayton. And the Giants can trade or let Slayton go after his contract ends.
a player costs. It tells you when you are recognizing how much you paid them, not what you paid them in that or any other year. You can argue Slayton is costing $6MM this year (2/12) or $4MM the actual cash outlay this year. The $8MM means nothing. We can just add a couple of void years and cut it to $5MM. Would that be better? It would be exactly the same.
Slayton was/is clearly worth $6MM a year. In fact he is a bargain.
I think we should let Waller go, but if healthy I think he is worth $12MM, which is what we are actually paying him for 2024. And if you think his current cap hit is too high just change it by adding void years.
You mean the guy who is currently around the 40th paid receiver, and will be around the 45th, when the season starts?
My issue is a cap hit of over $8M. Julian Love’s cap number on Seattle is identical. Who would you rather have right now? I didn’t like that decision last year and it looks even worse now.
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But Jones and Waller are much more of a problem than Slayton. Hell, one doesn’t even want to play.
My issue is a cap hit of over $8M. Julian Love’s cap number on Seattle is identical. Who would you rather have right now? I didn’t like that decision last year and it looks even worse now.
Love took less money then was originally offered to go to Seattle
Hard to fault the team for that one
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But Jones and Waller are much more of a problem than Slayton. Hell, one doesn’t even want to play.
My issue is a cap hit of over $8M. Julian Love’s cap number on Seattle is identical. Who would you rather have right now? I didn’t like that decision last year and it looks even worse now.
Oh I’m not disagreeing that we should replace him - I just think Jones and Waller are much bigger negatives to the team.
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But Jones and Waller are much more of a problem than Slayton. Hell, one doesn’t even want to play.
My issue is a cap hit of over $8M. Julian Love’s cap number on Seattle is identical. Who would you rather have right now? I didn’t like that decision last year and it looks even worse now.
Slayton and it is not even close. You sir, are losing your mind. Slayton actually can play football.
If the Giants draft Nabers… either Slayton or Hyatt time will greatly be reduced. That’s why I would have been fine letting Slayton go and see what Hyatt has.
As expected, the leader of the DSFC didn't disappoint... ;)
We have that on a plaque in the clubhouse.
He’s just another mediocre player on a bad team.
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You guys love to complain.
He’s just another mediocre player on a bad team.
And he is paid like one.
Keep complaining.
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You guys love to complain.
He’s just another mediocre player on a bad team.
And he is paid like one.
Keep complaining.
8 million is more than just “mediocre “
But he didn’t fetch it when he was a FA. The best you can hope for is a 6th round pick. Who will want a guy with 1 year left that is an average player?
But he didn’t fetch it when he was a FA. The best you can hope for is a 6th round pick. Who will want a guy with 1 year left that is an average player?
The free agent didn't fetch a pick in a trade, because he was a free agent. Maybe you want to try that one again?
If we take a WR with the 6th pick - don’t you agree it would be smart to trade Slayton ASAP because he is a pending FA and getting something for him whether it’s a 4-5-6 round pick is the best option.
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If the Giants pick a WR on day one or two, and Hyatt and Robinson are crushing it in camp, Slayton will easily fetch a pick in a trade.
But he didn’t fetch it when he was a FA. The best you can hope for is a 6th round pick. Who will want a guy with 1 year left that is an average player?
The free agent didn't fetch a pick in a trade, because he was a free agent. Maybe you want to try that one again?
I was talking about teams wanting him. Cause a team could have had him without trading for him before the start of last year.
To link that move to losing Love is a bit much tho...
Unless he's part of a draft day trade to move up, the Giants would be better served seeing how Robinson and Hyatt develop in camp.
Also, trading him would only save ~3.5M against the cap. They've already paid his roster bonus, and the remainder is from his original signing bonus.
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If we take a WR with the 6th pick - don’t you agree it would be smart to trade Slayton ASAP because he is a pending FA and getting something for him whether it’s a 4-5-6 round pick is the best option.
Unless he's part of a draft day trade to move up, the Giants would be better served seeing how Robinson and Hyatt develop in camp.
Also, trading him would only save ~3.5M against the cap. They've already paid his roster bonus, and the remainder is from his original signing bonus.
But you risk losing him for nothing at the end of the year. Like we did with Barkley.
Calm down. I know inflation is high, but last time I checked $8M isn’t shit.
or barkley back at 12.5m?
did you want to give a top non-LT OL 20m per year?
100m gtd to cousins?
or 10.5m to darnold or minshew?
all of the above?
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Post. Good God. Just fucking go watch an another sport. The guy doesn’t make shit and until someone else steps up he’s the # 2 WR. He was more than good enough for what he got last year. One of the stupidest BBI tropes of all time. Slayton is somehow a bad WR or hurting this teams cap or chances to win.
Calm down. I know inflation is high, but last time I checked $8M isn’t shit.
Sorry. I know actual thought might be too much of a strain on a guy w one set of grandparents so I'll explain it. Read slow
The NFL salary range is what it is. The loosest level players can make over a million. Right now as someone noted. He's the 40th highest paid WR. That will drop. In the context of NFL players 8 million is not a lot.
Lastly. Please don't have kids Please.
Unless he's part of a draft day trade to move up, the Giants would be better served seeing how Robinson and Hyatt develop in camp.
Also, trading him would only save ~3.5M against the cap. They've already paid his roster bonus, and the remainder is from his original signing bonus.
But you risk losing him for nothing at the end of the year. Like we did with Barkley.
Player trades typically happen on draft day, towards the end of camp, and at the trade deadline.
Darius Slayton on a 3.5M cap hit would draw trade interest at all 3 junctures. There's no reason to trade him ASAP after the draft.
If he's not part of a draft day trade, they'll see how the other players develop at the position. If Hyatt and Robinson surpass him in the depth chart they'll have plenty of opportunity to trade him.
or barkley back at 12.5m?
did you want to give a top non-LT OL 20m per year?
100m gtd to cousins?
or 10.5m to darnold or minshew?
all of the above?
I’d take Barkley back at 12.5 million for Waller’s $14M+ any day of the week. They would also have another $3.75M by not having to sign Singletary.
So Barkley for $12.5M, or Waller/Singletary for $17.8M?
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If we take a WR with the 6th pick - don’t you agree it would be smart to trade Slayton ASAP because he is a pending FA and getting something for him whether it’s a 4-5-6 round pick is the best option.
Unless he's part of a draft day trade to move up, the Giants would be better served seeing how Robinson and Hyatt develop in camp.
Also, trading him would only save ~3.5M against the cap. They've already paid his roster bonus, and the remainder is from his original signing bonus.
But you risk losing him for nothing at the end of the year. Like we did with Barkley.
Player trades typically happen on draft day, towards the end of camp, and at the trade deadline.
Darius Slayton on a 3.5M cap hit would draw trade interest at all 3 junctures. There's no reason to trade him ASAP after the draft.
If he's not part of a draft day trade, they'll see how the other players develop at the position. If Hyatt and Robinson surpass him in the depth chart they'll have plenty of opportunity to trade him.
Ok let’s talk hypothetically..
We draft Nabers at 6 (now I agree with you if we draft a QB first - this is all moot.) so that gives us Nabers, Robinson, Slayton, Hyatt, and Hodgins and whoever else.
KC looks like they may lose Rice since there’s a warrant out for his arrest. They call up the Giants on draft day - what would you accept as a trade for Slayton?
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did you want mckinney back at 17m?
or barkley back at 12.5m?
did you want to give a top non-LT OL 20m per year?
100m gtd to cousins?
or 10.5m to darnold or minshew?
all of the above?
I’d take Barkley back at 12.5 million for Waller’s $14M+ any day of the week. They would also have another $3.75M by not having to sign Singletary.
So Barkley for $12.5M, or Waller/Singletary for $17.8M?
congratulations you just answered your own question because they could have done that if they wanted to.
the only reason they didnt do that is because they didnt want to (and i agree with you, id have done that!).
We draft Nabers at 6 (now I agree with you if we draft a QB first - this is all moot.) so that gives us Nabers, Robinson, Slayton, Hyatt, and Hodgins and whoever else.
KC looks like they may lose Rice since there’s a warrant out for his arrest. They call up the Giants on draft day - what would you accept as a trade for Slayton?
I think Slayton would draw a 4th round pick in a trade. Maybe a late 3rd round pick.
not only that but they could cut slayton and waller today and save almost 17m real dollars in 2024. they actively chose to not do that.
you are exactly right - anyone can not like it but that was their choice.
If we draft a WR at 6, we found our 1. Wandale Robinson has a different skill set then Slayton and hopefully he takes the next jump to me a very good slot player. Hyatt isn't as polished as Slayton yet (hoping he gets there) but is similar enough to Slayton where hopefully he replaces Slayton in 3 receiver sets.
All that would be a good thing but even if that happens, I keep Slayton. A foursome of those guys and our WR position becomes a strength. You have Slayton as a great backup, you can rotate the 4 depending on matchups/down and distance. Considering Waller is probably not coming back, I think we can go 4 WR's more often. I'd love to have Hyatt and Slayton taking the top of both sides of the defense giving Wandale and Nabors? a lot of room underneath.
If we crap the bed and become sellers at the deadline, then you can think about getting rid of Slayton.
I would also have no issues extending Slayton right now.
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In comment 16464029 ZogZerg said:
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You guys love to complain.
He’s just another mediocre player on a bad team.
And he is paid like one.
Keep complaining.
8 million is more than just “mediocre “
I guess you haven't paid attention to the Receiver Market this off season. Not to mention top receivers are making 30 million per year. 8 million is less than 1/3 of that!
Per Sy:
Darius Slayton, on the other hand, is proven. He is proven to be a solid but not spectacular receiver with a proper blend of efficient and explosive-type play. While he has not delivered on the promise he showed as a rookie in 2019, we know what NYG has in him. 740, 751, 339, 724, 770 yards. Amazingly, Slayton has been the number one receiver each season outside of 2021. Four out of five years.
That’s the point. Taking a WR at 6th - makes Slayton kind of redundant and expandable.
Slayton was 36th among receivers in yards last year. I a functioning offense, with a functioning quarterback, 79 targets would be the number option, and Slayton fits that role nicely.
Hopefully Hyatt steps up and takes that role from Slayton. And the Giants can trade or let Slayton go after his contract ends.
Slayton was/is clearly worth $6MM a year. In fact he is a bargain.
I think we should let Waller go, but if healthy I think he is worth $12MM, which is what we are actually paying him for 2024. And if you think his current cap hit is too high just change it by adding void years.
DJ - well that looks like $85MM down the drain.