Lombardi: Told very reliability that NYG loves Maye

I've said a few times, I heard early on they really liked Williams and Maye.

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Drake does scream Giants QB to me...the sort of dude who John would want a daughter of his to bring home/a lot of Eli characteristics. That said, I doubt Lombardi has much intel in the Giants FO.

"He also said that Daniel Jones is not a complete bust, just over drafted. In fact, he says Jones had better college tape than some of the QBs in the draft this year."

I made this argument this past week, but some don't want to hear it. You may not like Jones based on what he has done in the NFL, but he was well regarded as a prospect back in 2019.

Part Herbert

"If they liked Jones, they wouldn't be traveling all over the country visiting these guys and scheduling dinners. Russell Wilson visit showed this as well."

Another point that some on the site had problems recognizing.

and this and that, it's still extremely likely that the top 3 teams will stand pat and draft Caleb, Daniels and Maye in that order.

Talks as if he would get any intel......my dog is more in the know.

He seems to get his Intel from our threads

In comment 16464047 Eric from BBI said:

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"If they liked Jones, they wouldn't be traveling all over the country visiting these guys and scheduling dinners. Russell Wilson visit showed this as well." Another point that some on the site had problems recognizing.

'Some' being the ones who in 2038 will be arguing on this site-provided the site is still around/we're all still around-that Jones could have made it here if only he had All Pros @ every position. Of course Jack Stroud will be living in Canton, OH @ that time, desperately waiting for the day Jones is inducted into the HOF.

Most likely will be a Giant.

And this is the right move.

Comparing anyone to Allen is a dangerous game - his improvement at the NFL level is something you don't often see.

I think Maye is a little scary, but it is past due that Giants try something. This is welcome news.

Assuming Williams and Daniels go 1,2...the draft for giants starts at 2.

If pats aren't in love with Maye, they could pick up a nice haul from us. But what if they fear missing out on McCarthy? Well then they could possibly move right back up with cardinals to 4 to take him.

I am not buying at all that the pats are engaging in any trade scenario that ultimately fails to net them a top 6 pick. That's one major advantage the giants hold over vikings. The scenarios are cleaner and all teams involved generally stay within blue chip prospect zone.

I think the Giants are going to do their damn best to move up to take a QB. There's just too much smoke. Hell, even Schwartz-whose some of his articles seem like Mara edict-has us taking JJM.

Maye’s 2022 tape was better than anything Allen put on film in college. Plus the size and the arm, you can see why Schoen and Daboll would like the guy.

Have heard a lot of “something about him” too from various podcasts. People like his demeanor.

In comment 16464043 Eric from BBI said:

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"He also said that Daniel Jones is not a complete bust, just over drafted. In fact, he says Jones had better college tape than some of the QBs in the draft this year." I made this argument this past week, but some don't want to hear it. You may not like Jones based on what he has done in the NFL, but he was well regarded as a prospect back in 2019.

I'll bite. Which QBs in particular?

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He also said that Daniel Jones is not a complete bust, just over drafted. In fact, he says Jones had better college tape than some of the QBs in the draft this year.

If anyone knows how to scout QB's it's Lombardi. After all, he drafted the great Johnny Manziel

Moreover, Maye would probably benefit from sitting a year, and would be less likely to get hurt as the OL rounds into form.

In comment 16464062 ryanmkeane said:

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Maye’s 2022 tape was better than anything Allen put on film in college. Plus the size and the arm, you can see why Schoen and Daboll would like the guy. Have heard a lot of “something about him” too from various podcasts. People like his demeanor.

Maye was terrific in 2022. Too many people are not giving 2022 enough weight.

Allen was all over the place in 2016 and 2017. He was clearly - to me - a great talent playing with inferior teammates. He made some of dumbest throws I have ever seen and some of the most amazing. And when he ran it was like watching Gronk.

IMO Jones was a better pro prospect than Nix and Penix by a little and he’s similar to McCarthy. Folks might have preferred Jones to McCarthy based on size. That being said, Maye is infinitely a better prospect than Jones was.

Maye! I am fine with JJM at 6 but Maye is the guy I want us to get.

I am starting to wonder if some talk a few weeks back about Neal and Ojulari could still be true as far as moving up..

And admittedly haven't watched every bit of Maye tape out there but he's my least favorite of the four. Sy 56's take on him vs JJ was pretty eye opening in regards to how much his game breaks down when he's under pressure. JJ's stats under pressure were really impressive compared to Maye and I don't think I would be that excited. If someone can convince me otherwise I'd love to hear it.

In comment 16464072 jvm52106 said:

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Maye! I am fine with JJM at 6 but Maye is the guy I want us to get. I am starting to wonder if some talk a few weeks back about Neal and Ojulari could still be true as far as moving up..

Who in God's name would be interested in Neal?

I’ll also say this. I live in Charlotte and have been here for almost 3 years. Maye went to Myers Park High School in Charlotte and then UNC obviously. But people down south absolutely love the guy and basically only watched this UNC team because of him. Anytime I would talk to someone who either went to Clemson, UNC, USC, all these teams, they’d say Maye is undoubtedly going to be a great pro. For whatever that’s worth.

And college football down here is another animal. Maye is beloved by these fans.

But I'll believe it when I see it. He's going 2 or 3. It'd be prohibitively expensive to move up to 3 (and in my mind, he's QB1), so I think it's a pipe dream.

In comment 16464057 Go Terps said:

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Comparing anyone to Allen is a dangerous game - his improvement at the NFL level is something you don't often see. I think Maye is a little scary, but it is past due that Giants try something. This is welcome news.

There is a recklessness and fearlessness to Maye's game that is similar to Allen, both passing and running. On the good side and bad side.

I see younger Roethisberger, not Allen.

In comment 16464053 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 16464047 Eric from BBI said: Quote: "If they liked Jones, they wouldn't be traveling all over the country visiting these guys and scheduling dinners. Russell Wilson visit showed this as well." Another point that some on the site had problems recognizing. 'Some' being the ones who in 2038 will be arguing on this site-provided the site is still around/we're all still around-that Jones could have made it here if only he had All Pros @ every position. Of course Jack Stroud will be living in Canton, OH @ that time, desperately waiting for the day Jones is inducted into the HOF.

Rats! I thought I heard you say you were ready to give up on the Giants or some such BS. And speaking of BS lets call the 2038 comment pure unadulterated BS. Nobody here or anywhere says Jones needs to be surrounded by a team full of All-Pros. What they have said is that they'd like to see what Jones might do if he actually had a true #1 receiver (like every other successful QB in the NFL) and if he actually got to work behind a half way competent OL (like every other successful QB in the NFL) none of which he's ever had! Other than that its a fair comparison.

I'd also quibble with Eric's reference to Russ Wilson. If they were really done with Jones they would have signed Wilson (who was available for peanuts not to mention that one would have to think that his model/actress wife would much prefer to live in NY than Pittsburgh) and named him starter, instead they told him he'd be coming here as the backup.

In comment 16464044 JonC said:

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Part Herbert

Also part guy who at times can't hit the broad side of a barn and gets easily flustered by pressure.

In comment 16464075 JFIB said:

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And admittedly haven't watched every bit of Maye tape out there but he's my least favorite of the four. Sy 56's take on him vs JJ was pretty eye opening in regards to how much his game breaks down when he's under pressure. JJ's stats under pressure were really impressive compared to Maye and I don't think I would be that excited. If someone can convince me otherwise I'd love to hear it.

Well it's hard to say why he wasn't great under pressure. It could be his mechanics would break down and that could logically be corrected. Or it could be how his mind responds, which would be a bit more worrisome. He's a classic boom or bust prospect. If Daboll and Schoen believe in him enough to trade the farm, then you gotta have faith in their professional expertise.

I think JJM is a safer prospect, but harder to project him reaching his ceiling whereas you could easily see Maye reaching his full upside if all his issues are indeed related to mechanics and he responds well to honing his flaws with good coaching.

In comment 16464085 k2tampa said:

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In comment 16464044 JonC said: Quote: Part Herbert Also part guy who at times can't hit the broad side of a barn and gets easily flustered by pressure.

Both of those guys had similar issues as prospects

In comment 16464071 ryanmkeane said:

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IMO Jones was a better pro prospect than Nix and Penix by a little and he’s similar to McCarthy. Folks might have preferred Jones to McCarthy based on size. That being said, Maye is infinitely a better prospect than Jones was.

Nix and Penix have far, far, far better college tape than Jones had. I challenge you to present some video of Jones in college that would make any of us think that it’s something Nix or Penix couldn’t do. That tape doesn’t exist. The only part of Jones that you can point to that those guys don’t have is his size.

In comment 16464039 Eric from BBI said:

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I've said a few times, I heard early on they really liked Williams and Maye.

well doesnt everyone love Williams and Maye??

In comment 16464085 k2tampa said:

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In comment 16464044 JonC said: Quote: Part Herbert Also part guy who at times can't hit the broad side of a barn and gets easily flustered by pressure.

Watch his '22 film and see the potential.

and others would possibly trade chips.

In comment 16464085 k2tampa said:

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In comment 16464044 JonC said: Quote: Part Herbert Also part guy who at times can't hit the broad side of a barn and gets easily flustered by pressure.

You do realize that he had a brand new OC and a very inexperienced WR fire this year

But don’t let that get in the way of the narrative

think it's pretty clear the Giants do love Maye and will do everything they can to move up to get him, including making a "godfather" offer to NE, AZ, or SD. Big Rick in FL and at least one "asshat" have said that the Giants already have a deal in place with NE if the draft falls a certain way. My own view as I've said is that doing that is a mistake, but I accept it as the most likely scenario.

If the Giants don't get Maye it therefore won't be for lack of trying. I think if it doesn't happen it will be because for whatever reason NE, AZ, or SD refuse to trade down or prefer an offer from Minnesota.

If true.

this makes more sense to me than they're in love with McCarthy.

In comment 16464077 ryanmkeane said:

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I’ll also say this. I live in Charlotte and have been here for almost 3 years. Maye went to Myers Park High School in Charlotte and then UNC obviously. But people down south absolutely love the guy and basically only watched this UNC team because of him. Anytime I would talk to someone who either went to Clemson, UNC, USC, all these teams, they’d say Maye is undoubtedly going to be a great pro. For whatever that’s worth.

To think we live in the same state, albeit 2 1/2ish hours away. Perhaps we've been in the same line @ Teeter or Food Lion...if I see someone wearing a DJ jersey, I'll know it's you.

I kid. Relax.

In comment 16464071 ryanmkeane said:

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IMO Jones was a better pro prospect than Nix and Penix by a little and he’s similar to McCarthy. Folks might have preferred Jones to McCarthy based on size. That being said, Maye is infinitely a better prospect than Jones was.

How was Daniel Jones a better pro prospect than Penix. C'mon. Penix throws so much better than Jones, right now.

In comment 16464092 JonC said:

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In comment 16464085 k2tampa said: Quote: In comment 16464044 JonC said: Quote: Part Herbert Also part guy who at times can't hit the broad side of a barn and gets easily flustered by pressure. Watch his '22 film and see the potential.

Some people are unable to see drafting QB for what it is --a projection.

There will be a shout of freedom such as the world has never heard before!

In comment 16464076 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 16464072 jvm52106 said: Quote: Maye! I am fine with JJM at 6 but Maye is the guy I want us to get. I am starting to wonder if some talk a few weeks back about Neal and Ojulari could still be true as far as moving up.. Who in God's name would be interested in Neal?

I think you'd be surprised. There are probably a number of coaches who think the Giants are just horrid at OL development and the talent is there.

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That's possible. Whenever I hear people bash the Neal pick, I remember that Dallas had him either 1 or 2 on their board, along with Thibs. And if he was in Dallas right now, he'd probably be an All Pro, Haha.

I'm not ready to give up on Neal, but it's getting late. This is year 3. Not only does he needs to play significantly better, but the dude needs to stay healthy.

In comment 16464119 The Mike said:

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There will be a shout of freedom such as the world has never heard before!

In comment 16464118 UberAlias said:

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In comment 16464092 JonC said: Quote: In comment 16464085 k2tampa said: Quote: In comment 16464044 JonC said: Quote: Part Herbert Also part guy who at times can't hit the broad side of a barn and gets easily flustered by pressure. Watch his '22 film and see the potential. Some people are unable to see drafting QB for what it is --a projection.

Yes. Drafting a QB in my opinion is about drafting for ceiling. What are the traits? I think some defects on college tape aren't worth getting bothered by, like fumbling. You have to trust if the QB is a good enough athlete you can coach some of the bad stuff out of him.

In comment 16464119 The Mike said:

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There will be a shout of freedom such as the world has never heard before!

that matt rhule had no interest in them a few days before it came out that he had multiple conversations with mara and gave nyg a chance to match the carolina deal?

In comment 16464096 Mbavaro said:

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In comment 16464085 k2tampa said: Quote: In comment 16464044 JonC said: Quote: Part Herbert Also part guy who at times can't hit the broad side of a barn and gets easily flustered by pressure. You do realize that he had a brand new OC and a very inexperienced WR fire this year But don’t let that get in the way of the narrative

Wait - are you saying that for QB's, we should take into account things like coaching and skill position talent when evaluating their play? Does that mean things like OL play matter too? Wow, that's crazy talk...